Samsung 89-inch MicroLED vs 85" Mini LED TV Shootout at CES 2022 - WOW!
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2022
- Samsung put its new 89-inch MicroLED TV vs the company's 85-inch flagship 4K Neo QLED TV in a side-by-side comparison at CES 2022. There have also been improvements to the manufacturing process and LED chip size, which will hopefully bring the sky-high price down... eventually.
Besides 89 inches, Samsung's 2022 Micro LED TV is also available in pre-assembled sizes of 101 inches and 110 inches. The South Korean brand is continuing to position MicroLED as its highest-tier display technology ahead of QD-OLED.
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Sick burn 😂😂😂
Micro LED is the absolute future. Its basically oled with more brightness and no burn in risk. Of course its going to blow any conventional LED LCD away.
I'm ready for it especially since i'm an OLED fan.
Yeah, and then, I think QDEL will be the last tech
you sure about no burn in ?
Not necessarily- oled tech is not standing still and with QD OLED we can see how closely it will match LED in brightness color volume and still to have edge in contrast. With heat sink becoming soon a standard in OLED tvs - that will also drastically decreases risk of burn in. In the end price will dictate what stays and what not - Samsung have ridiculous pricing for flagship models that trump best OLEDs. if they lower it they stand a chance otherwise there won’t be many prepared to spend that much
@@whitecrowuk575 QD OLED will replace LCD I think and WOLED
Samsung should definitely keep doing micro. Once they can be afforded by normal people, they will overtake the market. It’s extremely bright, can do perfect black and has no burn in. DO IT
And still prone to breaking with modules replacement before a year is to be expected by its trained assembler.
It’s perfect black?
@@saucyx4 yes
@@MuhammadKharismawan is that actually a thing?
Anyway of course the tech has to be advanced and all.
@@Silentship98 I know what to get once I’m wealthy enough 😂
I was about to comment that Micro LED seems like the endgame of TVs, then he said it himself
How about a rolling MicroLED Tv ?
Yeah honestly, it has the promise of all the benefits of other display technologies such as CRT, OLED, LCD, with none of the drawbacks, while exceeding them on just about every metric.
Black frame insertion + slot/dotmask CRT shaders on an OLED 'would' have been a perfect way to replicate the look of those older CRT displays except for lower peak brightness & burn-in risk. Micro LED addresses all of these issues, and if it becomes the market standard, I think even the retro-gaming crowd would finally be able to concede that display tech has achieved a net progression (except post-process effects to mimic CRT introduce latency but... I'll take it).
Well, there's still ways to go after that. And it's also looking like VR and AR will be common in a few years from now, so immersive gaming and movie watching and whatnot will also have a lot of room to grow in there.
@@thenonexistinghero those platforms seem a bit beyond the scope of 'TV Screen' but sure. It isn't related to tech which presents the picture of the display itself though. Though a 16K 360hz micro-LED VR headset may well be some kind of end-game in & of itself in another 15-20 years or so.
But then there's retinal projection technology which is probably the AR endgame so who knows.
Technology will progress with something better, it always does. I'd like to see more led alternatives explored.
I'm not even looking for a TV and just want to say your dedication to the industry is inspirational. I know it's just TVs, but your dedication to each video and the information you provide deserves way more subscribers than what you have.
i'm here for the sexual innuendo's.
I'm here mostly for sexual education. TV reviews don't hurt either.
You do mean the information that is bought and paid for ?. I mean are you telling me people who can afford tvs at this price actually watch youtube(i dont) as they will visit store or pay someone to get best for them.And his dig about CZcamsrs buying it and then taking back 2 days later.I was wondering how all the youtubers started in the game as not everyone can just go out and buy £3000 tvs etc.
@@Im_too_old_for_this_shit I have not watched the video yet and I found this channel today but I stand with this statement
@@robertcrawford1142 I feel like I can agree with something that you tried to say here, but there was so many things said back to back without context or transition or supporting vocabulary that I didn't really understand what u said or referring to lol.
4:15 shots fired 🤣🤣
If anyone buys Micro LED I think have no sense even if they are millionaire banker because the Micro LED TVs are first gen tech
Micro LED seems Like the ultimate endgame in regards of TVS . I cant even Imagine what Coupe possibly bei added beyond that
After that, the next step would be holographic displays, which require ALOT more resolution.
Micro LED 2 duhh
@xXYannuschXx If you were to come into possession of a video with my Ex in it, I'd recommend you put it on the lowest resolution possible.
@@greendusk93 it's like saying PC 2 lol
Wouldn't something like self emissive quantum dot display be the next one. Or at least just as good vs microLED. The next step would be whatever can get you close to the color space the human eye can see.
I've worked on this technology, when it comes for price you should expect it to be expensive for quite some time.
µLED diodes are made mainly with the help of Gallium Nitride material (GaN) which emits a blue light, this material can be changed a bit by injecting other chemical components like Arsenide to change the color to Green and Red (Red diodes are the hardest to make), the main problem is that the growth of Gallium Nitride material is very very slow and hard because the method used for growth is a bit complex and this material has much more physical problems or impurities than per example Silicon, trying to add another chemical element to change color only make it harder to get more efficient diodes with no problems.
at this moment, the main way for this technology to be easily available for the public is by mcuh smaller µLED displays (smart glasses, AR tech, Military HUDs...), from what I've heard I believe Apple will be the first company to make it available trough their smartwatches with this tech, the growth method for this material needs to be developed in order to make it cheaper.
So you can't just build more machines or whatever? lol
Hello and thanks for your input. It's always nice to hear someone who was directly involved in the development. I have a few questions if you don't mind.
1.) What's the life expectancy of the microLED diode compared to regular LED diodes used in contemporary LCD screens?
2.) Theoretically, can the screen be used with the same quantum dot layer as a regular VA matrix can, to improve it's color gamut and viewing angles even further?
3.) For how long will the market needs to wait before we see 65" microLED TV's at a same price as today LCD's? Do you have any approximation? My guess is probably around 15 years, because that's how long it took OLED to gain traction. What do you think?
Those Micro LED displays looked amazing, it is very hard to capture with a camera, but in person the picture looks incredible, Samsung has been improving their micro leds and hopefully they make it affordable for everyone.
I don't think it will ever be cheap because you have to pay for millions of fully calibrated good quality RGB LEDs and a damn nice controller to control all of those individual LEDs to high brightness and control each sub pixel of any pixel alone for all of them.
A way to make them a bit cheaper would be using all LEDs blue and use a quantum dot color filter which is cheaper than RGB LEDs and easier to control them since they are all the same but would also not be as good as a pure RGB microled and will still not be exactly cheap...
why u didnt film in HDR????
@@guily6669 That'll be midrange in a few years. Really looking forward to affordable microled though.
@@BlackJesus8463 I don't think there will be any better display technology than pixels made of LEDs other than just using better LEDs, making them brighter...
It will surely get cheaper some day but paying for the many millions of LEDs I don't think will be much cheap ever, at least not as close as LCD or OLED...
@@guily6669 Hey man if QD-OLED can do it microled can do it.
Wow - now that is what I want!! Only have to wait like 10yrs for it make it to an affordable model.
Yep, can't wait myself.
This year I'm going to get a miniLED and be very happy with it until uLED is affordable.
What's your definition of affordable?
If you were to get a miniLED, which would you get?
Yeah it will take a long ass time
It's the Sony XR-65X95K miniLED for me
@@MostlyPennyCat Would prefer OLED over MiniLED
Just got my first oled last year... I can wait for many years for micro LED to mature and go down in price while I enjoy my matured oled.
I’m in the same boat
@@Snskch3 yeh and nothing beats oled in terms of response time. Not even micro LED.
@@spacebarwasd9782 Actually microled should have even better respone time than oled
That Linus burn tho! Haha
Well Linus kinda just uses the TV he's given than buying and selling them for content, He's famous enough to not need to do that anymore.
why we watch this when 100% of us cannot afford these
If I spend 130k on a tv it better have a lifetime warranty with replacement due to ANY damage for ANY reason lol
you got to love the mic drop and the end of his videos
Do you know anything about the ommc ultra short throw projector?
I wonder what the pixel response times near black are link on these panels? Really hoping for sub millisecond.
Does the MicroLED models still have PWM 120hz flickering when de-judder is turned on? Its just samsung software compatibility issue or 120hz PWM flickering somehow helps with de-judder?
Great overview :D
Only $130k? Put me down for 3.
We all want this 110" micro LED TV !
Amazon 1-click-buy...
How visible were the seams between the panels for the micro LED display?
Forget QD-OLED, Micro LED is the ultimate TV we all will be upgrading to in the future when the price is lower enough.
The price could be 10 times lower, and the vast majority of us, would still not be able to afford one. (it would be about 13k if it was 10 times lower)
I think I’d like to see more on specifically MicroLED vs QDOLED
I always enjoy your content ‼️.
But my man it's time to help me lol 🆘
With all these info I'm getting really confused about what to buy.
Shall I wait for the new technologies to be available to be purchased or I just buy now?
If I'm gonna buy a monitor now I'm between M32Q, M32U and the QN90A. I'm not into small monitors at all, been on 22" 1080p 60Hz for ages. my next monitor is minimum 32".
What I don't have access to try is that from gaming perspective, Let's say 32", is it a big difference between 1440p and 4k in resulnion clarity while gaming?
And I didn't get the chance to experience the difference between 90hz, 120hz, or 240hz. I know from 30 to 60 is a big difference, hell from 45 to 60 is a big difference usually I cap FPS on 90 even my monitor is 60hz it just feel smoother. From what I've heard from reviews is that above 120 you barely gonna notice or make any better experience unless you are ultra competitive which I'm not, I just play casually all kind of games AAA, FPS, sports... etc, 3 hours a day.
For me the price difference between QN90A 50" and M32U is $350 and between the M32U and M32Q is $460, which isn't an issue. But if I'm not gonna get a much difference in experience I would like to put that $350 or $800 in something else.
I'm not into that much high FPS. I care more about smoother experience while gaming but if higher means better then yeah
I feel lost lol and really cannot take a decision. If I could experience them first hand I would know what to choose but it's all a guesswork right now that's why I'm seeking for some experienced opinions 🙏🏻
Hi ive just discovered my Lg C1 remote can control my xbox xs. Ive been getting my controller shutting down on various games and now have to take the battery out of my remote to stop it from happening this has been mainly happening in Cold War. The controller stays on but you loose all control of any voice chat in game or party.
what is the response time of the microLED tv? currently OLED is extremely fast response
What 85”-86” tv do you recommend for using my Xbox one-s ? I primarily watch Netflix and play call of dudy on that console.
*_Have you reviewed Samsung's The Wall? I'll have to check your past videos_*
What about doing a QD-microled, i.e. using the same QD technology used in QD-OLED but using blue LEDs instead of blue OLEDs?
I own a Panasonic HZ2000 atm but i have a chance to trade it in for another TV or get my money back. What would be the best move? Is the HZ2000 already outdated or is it still worth getting?
I would’ve guessed $20/35/50k for the big microLED tvs… just off by 100k😂😂😂. I’ll be right one day… in about 5-10 years. The day an 80” is 5k…
Idk maybe this year they are cheaper
4:16 Well, Linus didn't go through with the purchase 😉
@HDTVTest which displayed technology do you prefer/ looks better in your opinion, Samsungs MicroLED or QD-Oled? (Disregarding the price)
1. The next logical step is to put three primary colors out of visible range and cover with such gamut-triangle all human retina possible colors.
2. Then make all primaries with 20-bit resultion
3. And finally transfer updates on 512-1024Hz on pixel-by-pixel manner to get rid of ancient (full frame update) frequency idea
THIS will be the Endgame of color representation for the flat surfaces. Like humanity finished the full coverage of the human audio channels.
All you have to do at the end is to build it as self-charging cloth :)
nerd
It is said in the video that they intend to use 20 bit processing on microLED, so there's that for now.
Excellent thanks Vincent
Beautiful! Ready to put mortgage in my life :D
Looking forward to smaller more affordable sets in the future.
Micro LED is like a legendary pokemon. I can only hear about it from time to time.
I can't wait for the price of MicoLED to come down like all great products. My next TV is going to be one that will bring home theater size to my living room to stream everything. Can't wait.
gonna be waiting 20 years lol
DCI-P3 seems achievable by many displays now, so I hope that displays manufacturers will start sharing coverage of bt.2020, as that is much bigger and relevant for HDR content
Only neon lights need bt2020 to display accurately. Most of the real world object are not that saturated and there are more important specs for tv to deliver a better image.
With the microLEDs you can do much more - you can put all of R/G/B-primaries out of visible range and cover with such gamut-triangle all human possible colors.
MicroLED is the eventual successor to OLED. They're basically 100" reference monitors
It is a fusion of LCD and OLED. It has the blacks of OLED (minus the sh*tty low luminance), and the luminance of LCD (minus the blooming blacks). Best of both worlds.
And how about gray uniformity with microled?
Samsung's refusal to support Dolby Vision is idiotic. It would cost them six to ten dollars per unit. Yes, they claim they have something superior but just do both and take away the issue.
Yep, as great as their televisions can be, I still avoid them due to lack of Dolby Vision support.
Dolby had the worst audio Codec. I don't trust their quality of work for picture either. Watching movies in DTS has always been a far more pleasant experience than Dolby Digital. Don't even get me going on Dolby Pro Logic II. It was better to do just regular stereo!
"It's only one big problem price" 😂
130 000 USD ... I miss the time when the 3 000 USD Sony XEL-1 was considered expensive.
Vincent are you sure the Samsung 89" micro LED is 4K? I read somewhere that it was HD only.
New video suggestion.
O would like to see a propper comparison between the new Micro LED and the QD OLED.
Also, if QD can enhance OLED, then why not Micro QD LED?
I can't wait for MLED to be affordable. Hopefully by the time it's time for me to get a new TV. I'm willing to spend more than usual for that kind of TV, but €10K would still be too much for me. Needs to come down to at least €4K-€5K.
Do a comparison between microLED and qd oled please
How does it compare to QDOLED?
Early adopters, do your thing! 😊 After that, can't wait to jump in in the near future.
What's the power consumption like relatively speaking
I can't wait to get one in about 15 or so years
End game of display technology 🥺 I was enjoying it .
Why there aren't smaller sizes model?
I'm looking forward to seeing their performance in a bright room
2000nits you better have all the lights in your room on, that is so insane bright!
What about the inputlag?
Man you reach back home fast did you take the Concorde
Does it have even better red and greens than the QD-Oled?
I have two oled's the lg EA9800 and a Sony A80J. I will be looking for another tv in 5 years. I hope this will be a somewhat affordable technology in the next 5 years. 2,000 is nits is insane. Dolby vision has to be glorious.
If Samsung starts doing Dolby Vision till then lol.
Wait for 2032 and it will be affordable for upper middle class guys like you , next five years QNED OLED will be the cheaper thing
How is that first generation LG OLED holding up?
What about colour range vs quantum oled
So what are the advantages of microled over qd oled display ?🤔 when can we hope to buy these for our living rooms at a reasonable price range ?🤔
At 2037 you can buy it in $1000 USD
Is there a brightness that is too much? Sometimes my iPad gets too bright and it hurts my eyes. Maybe that’s just because of the dark room that you’re in? I wonder how many nits it can get until it’s considered dangerous.
The comparison should be this 89inch microLED TV vs QD OLED accordingly
@3:54 ---- Shots fired at Quantum TV. QUANTUM TV - The Best Buy security guard, who pretends to be a trained TV calibrator.
he works at bestbuy? no wonder he gets early reviews of new tvs
I thought it was shots at Linus if anyone lol
"Expert"
@@emzor6301 That clown put out a video 2 weeks ago called: Most Returned TV Brand At Best Buy Today
I'm confused. Are the seams visible on those TVs that Samsung had on display, if you look close? I know you said that they are still modular and Samsung had them set to super bright, but it wasn't clear whether the seams are still visible.
Yeah you can see it from an off angle. You won't be able to tell when watching media though.
As long as it's modular, I have no interest
@@scottylans You sure it's not the $100,000 price tag?
@@BlackJesus8463 LMAO
@@scottylans why?
MicroLED seems very impressive, especially when it comes to brightness and colour accuracy, but how about refresh rates, response times, ghosting, etc?
It's slower for now, current micro LED looks amazing, but it's not good for fast content.
@John Wick Have a look at this video czcams.com/video/jb_FcABVkrg/video.html
You're probably better off to wait for the QD OLED displays
microled response time is measured in nanoseconds compared to microseconds in oled. It has around 1000 times faster response time than oled. 1,000,000 times faster response time than lcd.
how bright do you need a tv to be?
Im just here for his amazing jokes and humor.
Linus Tech Tips had a very interesting video about Micro-LED TV'S a few months ago as he wanted to buy one and have it installed. But for very concerning reasons the company he went through suggested against it and pointed out some pretty troubling flaws that are currently present in the technology. For starters the wall where the TV is to be installed requires a "level 5" wall finish where particular grade drywall is used, then they mud and sand the wall so it achieves a tolerable level of flatness so that the panels can be installed. This is so when the modular panels are interconnected the visible seam between panels is minimized. Another issue is that the panels require color matching as there is variation that is delectable to the human eye. And because individual panels fail, you must pursue matching replacement panels.
Now, this may not apply to large singular panels or fixed size TV'S, but the modular panels Samsung has demonstrated appear to be completely illogical at this point.
These are on stands.
who cares? Those are just prototypes anyway
Vincent, do you think that QDEL will be the true end game tech or the microled? Since electro emissive quantum dot can achieve a enormous percentage of the REC2020.
microLED is true endgame
Wonder how long it will take for the price to go down.
Do they sell sunglasses for the tv?
Looks like the perfect TV screen. Need to get the sizes and price down to reasonable levels though. Is there a reason they are so big? Is making smaller screens a problem with this tech at the moment? Or is it because it is the only way to recoup the R&D?
Making them smaller is a problem. It's very difficult to make LEDs that small and then place them all accurately into the correct positions without damaging them in the process. The higher pixel density, the harder it is.
That's why they're all modular at the moment. If a panel is 4 1080p panels glued together. Then if 1 of the 4 panels has a manufacturing defect, it won't ruin the entire panel, just that one quarter panel module.
They could make a smaller 89" version, because they were able to shrink the individual leds. At the moment this is the smallest they can make the leds. Smaller leds will cause more defects and have higher costs to produce.
Being able to split it into 4 separate 44.5" 1080p screens with their own input is pretty cool
You're doing it wrong. The trick is to sit very far away with just the one stream.
@@BlackJesus8463 I don't even know how to reply to this lol. Do you not understand my comment?
@@JorisKeijser just kidding lol
Nice content
There is such a thing as too bright for some media right? Is it so bright that areas not meant to, look like they are being lit by the sun?
I hope there will be smaller micro LED (55") TVs and (32") monitors somewhere in the near future.
Imagine a Panasonic Micro Led.
The future will be amazing.
So when are you reviewing that 89" TV? ;D
In terms of Picture quality, accuracy and brightness, which is superior qd oled or micro led ?
micro led, for sure.
Didnt Samsung’s Micro-Led use to be said to reach around 4000 nit in peak brightness (in marketing in the previous years) while the current Mini-Leds are marketed to reach around 2000 nits? No doubt they still look absolutely amazing compared to anything else, but just something that caught my eye in the marketing materials compared to what I’d remember hearing from previous years.
consequences of making them smaller. Those crazy 200" displays were able to do that but had severe reliability issues. The gaps in the modules was super noticeable also. More for commercial use.
To be honest u don't need more than 3000 nits (for human eyes ) . And even 2000 nits is enough for a large bright room
I thought that too. My 2016 Sony Z9D already does 2000 nits- I expect more!!
Is this the end all of tv technology? Once it can be any size, has no heating problems, and has a cheap price, what more could a screen ever do? It has the full vision spectrum covered, including true blacks, has more brightness than is ever needed, other than the possible input lag difference from OLED for gamers... I don't see anything left to improve.
Anyone have a comparison with OLED?
Can I replace my windows with it and have sunshine whenever I want?
got an ad featuring Vincent on his own video, lol
Really? Which TV brand?
The tvs cost abou 120k ?
I wonder if micro led would shrink down to a 55” tv. That would be the dream.
Don't know if they'll be able to shrink it that much, but wouldn't surprise me if eventually the get it down to 75". Maybe 65".
How good are the black levels on MicroLED?
Perfect black
Just out of curiosity, what's the dead-pixel policy on a TV with that many pixels?
It has the same number of pixels as the regular LCD have.
So how much?
Waiting for the Costco deal on this one
Even the TVs are social distancing 🤣
What about Sony‘s Crystal LED? No plans to develop this from a professional to consumer product?
Surely the end game for tvs is to present a picture that is indistinguishable from looking through a window.
I'm all in for micro, but it's all that brightness really necessary? I don't even max out my OLED brightness.
The price is also off the chart.
I'll wait for 3-5 years before getting one.
Too small. I'm waiting for 254" model. I'll finally replace my projector screen.