I went to copper stub outs with pex because without fail I would always break at least 1 tab on the plastic support bend. Also, because some of our customers end up picking out fancy shutoffs that only come in sweat.
I love the new pipes, and the fact theres no joints and since its synthetic, it wont corrode. Only problem is, were gonna find out it causes cancer in 15 years and have to go back to copper lol.
@georgesullivan7879 no honestly I don't. I even cook with spring water. The only thing I use water out the faucet for is bathing, cleaning, or rinsing ✌🏽
For the cost of that bend he used and the bracket support you could buy the copper stubouts that just screw on the 2x4s and crimps or expands on. Same money. More stable and copper. So yes
Homeowner; why are my pipes rattling in the wall???? Contractor; don’t worry they won’t leak. It’s just the loose pex that’s not strapped going up the wall…..
We’re at a hotel right now removing every one of those because of the strain it puts on them!! This after about a dozen ceiling repairs after them leaking
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacherApollo is not a very good pex. I have had issues with it and no longer use it for anything. Uponor is the only one I will use. I don’t even like legend pipe
@@doesntmatter5263I think everything has a chance of factory defects at some point. Runs in batches and doesn't effect every region at the same time. A couple of yrs ago, pre covid infact, we had uponor that was splitting inside the expansion rings. You could not see it and didn't show a leak for a long time. We actually found a cpl while pressure testing for rough inspections. The splits were longer than the width of the expansion rings.
As a plumber who has used these.. Unfortunately in the real world those do not work in 2x4 walls. As you can see in the video how far the bend sticks out at the back preventing drywall to sit flush to studs.
Flooring guy here , I can testify that those bends will cause a leak in the future , last year on the winter time Nashville area we had a pretty cool week , after that we had about 5 months repairing hardwood floors from pipes busting in those braces , metal actually but the same system 👎
About two and a half decades ago I was working late on a Friday just about to leave a house when I was upstairs going around checking on things making sure everything was locked up and closed down. I heard a big pop and then I heard a loud stream of water and saw a steam everywhere in a brand new finished floor ceilings and walls on stories. I damn near jumped out the second story window down to the ground level into the basement and started hitting every shut-off valve I could find. I tried to dry out everything as best I could we still had a bunch of fans on the property but still the ceilings and walls and floors all had to be redone. After that I will never trust text Pex. If it was 15 to 30 minutes later I would have left the property and being Friday night nobody would have been back there till Monday morning. That would have completely destroyed the entire house I'm sure the contractor I was working with was so grateful that I was there and able to put a stop to it as fast as possible knowing that if I wasn't there the damage would be so much more severe. Of course he was pretty pissed off the plumbers that put the plastic Pex in in the first place. I seen all I need to. And this stuff is supposed to last. No copper last Pex does not. Specially for a radiator situation or hot water. This house was in New Britain Connecticut and all of the plumbing copper was stolen out of it that's why they went with PEX
My house was built in 1980 and had several leaks involving pex with connectors. I was going to replace it with copper but the plumber said I am better off with the PEX because it can be expanding and shrinking during the weather.
People have had problems with copper piping failing, too. Look at the news of the big storm they had down in Texas a couple of years ago. Most of the pipes that were reported as damaged were copper. There wasn't much if any reports of homes with PEX having those issues. Everything had pros and cons.
Personally I would use the 90° elbow fittings only because those bends are so expensive. especially if you want quality support bends but if you have the money then all for it.
We are doing a recirculating pump on both cold (chiller) and hot side. Every fixture will have cold/hot and return lines. No tapping in to other lines. The plan is to have 4 manifolds with check valves one for hot and cold and the 2 respected return lines. Having both lines running will keep fresh water in the entire house. This way if one sink does not get used often it has fresh filtered water at all times. This will reduce the fittings down to just a single Tee in the wall. We are also going to put in access panels where we can to reach every fitting where we can. We are also going to use outlet boxes where we can. For ice makers, sinks, toilets, dish washers and so on. These boxes will make for a fresher install. All of the lines will be insulated along with in wall and ceiling insulation will be wrapped around the pipes. We are going to do radient heat as well which means a whole lot of lines all in the same general area.
You make it so easy. But exactly what I use! Sometimes I am in too tight if a situation to use them though. May want to strap the rest up the stud cavity.
As a tradesman I see a few things wrong with this for one whoever puts drywall on the other side of that wall better watch out and better not miss the studs because with those '90s in there you can see that it's pushing the pexs out past the studs
you have apparently only adopted the bad features of the Uponor system... at least here in Uponor's home country, the hoses are installed in a protective pipe and the ends of the protective pipes have connection boxes, which guarantee that possible leaks are revealed and the inner hoses can be changed without opening the walls...
Ha ha ha. Sure sure. Hate to tell you but copper does fail. I’m looking at a cold water line that failed. Developed a hole in the line. And a copper drain line also failed. It rotted out. Nothing last forever my friend.
Running PEX in walls without conduit? Sounds weird. Also there are 90 degree fittings where the PEX and conduit connects to and if your PEX breaks it will leak out into the room and not in-between the wall. Here we only use PEX in conduits
Steve, whats the largest diameter PEX you install? Always been concerned with lower water pressure due to PEX couplers being narrower than the PEX pipe.
Only an issue if your looking for more than 5 gpm. Most showers with a handheld at same time will be 4 gpm. And sometimes the valve themselves will restrict the flow. So depends on what you are trying to feed
Don’t use crimp fittings, use expansion fittings and pex a . Pretty much takes care of all the problems you get with pex b and crimp fittings. It’s not a problem
PEX A is the same diameter throughout because you expand it over the fitting. Pex B is restricted at couplers because they slide inside the pipe and crimped.
Pex scares me...plastic as a long term intake pipe seems like such a bad idea. Its like asking for problems in the future. Whatever happens building with the determination of making things last as long as possible.
You should bump it up a size due to the fitting restricting the size of the pipe. Copper dose not restrict. Pex has had several class action law suits. They had to sue cal so it could be sold in cal again. We still have problems with rodents chewing pex to get water.
No other supports, just flapping around in the wall. Guess the plan is they will move out of the way of nails snd screws. PEX is made from oil so if you ste “green” it’s not for you.
I’m no plumber , but the plastic red and blue pex sticking out is god awful! Would much rather see someone install a 90 with a stub sticking out in copper. It just looks way more finished and professional. Pex looks sloppy.
Problem is, Mice and rats Eat pex's pipe. In fact they're magnetically drawn to it, Is a slight electromagnetic field happens when water passes through a pack's pipe. And rodents cannot help themselves.
Understand this system, appreciate it... however I always stub out copper
Same and I would have installed a clean out 👍🏼
I went to copper stub outs with pex because without fail I would always break at least 1 tab on the plastic support bend. Also, because some of our customers end up picking out fancy shutoffs that only come in sweat.
@@LikeNoOtherPlumberpfft
Yea floppy pex stub outs suck.
They look so much more professional!
I love the new pipes, and the fact theres no joints and since its synthetic, it wont corrode. Only problem is, were gonna find out it causes cancer in 15 years and have to go back to copper lol.
Well, you could believe what the state of California KNOWS and base your choices on that. Virtually everything is known to the state to cause cancer.
There's stickers on the PEX from home Depot saying exactly that. Cancer
Cancer from what???? Just touching it, because you're not ingesting it🤷🏽♂️
@@TheDangerousdavexxxdo you ever drink water from your house?
@georgesullivan7879 no honestly I don't. I even cook with spring water. The only thing I use water out the faucet for is bathing, cleaning, or rinsing ✌🏽
The happiest plumber I've ever seen!
He’s not a plumber
@@chelseachelseafcsuperfan7220he’s a HANDYMAN! What a jack he is eh
And slimmer!
Sniffing too much PVC primer😂
Laziest plumber ever
AGREED, LESS FITTINGS, LESS POINTS OF FAILURE...
Would rather have copper sticking out of the wall.
For the cost of that bend he used and the bracket support you could buy the copper stubouts that just screw on the 2x4s and crimps or expands on. Same money. More stable and copper. So yes
EVERYONE “would rather” copper. 😂😂
Why pex is better and last longer?
@@nevets4190health concerns. There’s a Finland study on it over 5 years ago
Exactly why would you still about copper then you have a joint in a bowl that can leak if you're going to run copper run copper
Keep doing that,it keep me really busy fixing crack pipes. The pecks eventually cracks making pin holes.I fix about three a month.
Homeowner; why are my pipes rattling in the wall????
Contractor; don’t worry they won’t leak. It’s just the loose pex that’s not strapped going up the wall…..
We’re at a hotel right now removing every one of those because of the strain it puts on them!! This after about a dozen ceiling repairs after them leaking
Oh wow 😯 same kind of pex too? Apollo?
Damn how old is the PEX and how is it failing?
@@BathroomRemodelingTeacherApollo is not a very good pex. I have had issues with it and no longer use it for anything. Uponor is the only one I will use. I don’t even like legend pipe
@@doesntmatter5263I think everything has a chance of factory defects at some point. Runs in batches and doesn't effect every region at the same time.
A couple of yrs ago, pre covid infact, we had uponor that was splitting inside the expansion rings. You could not see it and didn't show a leak for a long time. We actually found a cpl while pressure testing for rough inspections. The splits were longer than the width of the expansion rings.
15 years of working with pex and I have never seen it fail. Even when it freezes and thaws.
I still think stubbing out copper and using talons and blocks to secure it is the best way
As a plumber who has used these.. Unfortunately in the real world those do not work in 2x4 walls. As you can see in the video how far the bend sticks out at the back preventing drywall to sit flush to studs.
Which makes sense why I always see them coming out of voids in the framing versus straight out of the partition wall or whatever
Flooring guy here , I can testify that those bends will cause a leak in the future , last year on the winter time Nashville area we had a pretty cool week , after that we had about 5 months repairing hardwood floors from pipes busting in those braces , metal actually but the same system 👎
Good to know. thank you!
About two and a half decades ago I was working late on a Friday just about to leave a house when I was upstairs going around checking on things making sure everything was locked up and closed down. I heard a big pop and then I heard a loud stream of water and saw a steam everywhere in a brand new finished floor ceilings and walls on stories. I damn near jumped out the second story window down to the ground level into the basement and started hitting every shut-off valve I could find. I tried to dry out everything as best I could we still had a bunch of fans on the property but still the ceilings and walls and floors all had to be redone. After that I will never trust text Pex. If it was 15 to 30 minutes later I would have left the property and being Friday night nobody would have been back there till Monday morning. That would have completely destroyed the entire house I'm sure the contractor I was working with was so grateful that I was there and able to put a stop to it as fast as possible knowing that if I wasn't there the damage would be so much more severe. Of course he was pretty pissed off the plumbers that put the plastic Pex in in the first place. I seen all I need to. And this stuff is supposed to last. No copper last Pex does not. Specially for a radiator situation or hot water. This house was in New Britain Connecticut and all of the plumbing copper was stolen out of it that's why they went with PEX
My house was built in 1980 and had several leaks involving pex with connectors. I was going to replace it with copper but the plumber said I am better off with the PEX because it can be expanding and shrinking during the weather.
People have had problems with copper piping failing, too. Look at the news of the big storm they had down in Texas a couple of years ago. Most of the pipes that were reported as damaged were copper. There wasn't much if any reports of homes with PEX having those issues. Everything had pros and cons.
Pex back then versus Pex today are night and day difference.
Thank you!
Personally I would use the 90° elbow fittings only because those bends are so expensive. especially if you want quality support bends but if you have the money then all for it.
Pin it in place temporarily and then hit it with spray foam
Always a good idea to have the tile guy do your plumbing
Do you meant a handyman 😂
Most of your tile guys do a better job than most plumbers anyways.
We are doing a recirculating pump on both cold (chiller) and hot side. Every fixture will have cold/hot and return lines. No tapping in to other lines. The plan is to have 4 manifolds with check valves one for hot and cold and the 2 respected return lines. Having both lines running will keep fresh water in the entire house. This way if one sink does not get used often it has fresh filtered water at all times. This will reduce the fittings down to just a single Tee in the wall. We are also going to put in access panels where we can to reach every fitting where we can. We are also going to use outlet boxes where we can. For ice makers, sinks, toilets, dish washers and so on. These boxes will make for a fresher install. All of the lines will be insulated along with in wall and ceiling insulation will be wrapped around the pipes. We are going to do radient heat as well which means a whole lot of lines all in the same general area.
Not bad, i prefer the copper stub outs. Just like the rigidity of it more. Plus they are capped already!
Perfect push it right against the sheetrock on the otherside so I can put a nail or screw right through it on finish
It's in the middle of 2x4 framing why would someone be screwing there?
You make it so easy. But exactly what I use! Sometimes I am in too tight if a situation to use them though. May want to strap the rest up the stud cavity.
I’ve started using drop ear with a chrome nipple for all stub outs. I think they look way better
Nice ... ty Sir
That's a great explanation but I believe that framing wall should be 2x6
As a tradesman I see a few things wrong with this for one whoever puts drywall on the other side of that wall better watch out and better not miss the studs because with those '90s in there you can see that it's pushing the pexs out past the studs
I like using the pex to copper stub-outs myself!
Pex-B! Nice job man!
When God made PEX. He smiled. And it was good.
I never knew and hated the floppy supply lines so I always go over to the copper.
those develop leaks in the outside bend in dry hot climates. Big problem
Oh hell nah. Copper terminations
Waste of time. Pex is better. but I’m sure you will crawl under that sink every day and look at it though smh
Pex pin holes on bends info from 12y master plumber stub copper they say electrolysis happens on stub out however
I’m working in your neck of the woods right now lol😉
Oh and you did it on camera 😮
This is great. You should figure out the difference between pex b and pex a next. Hint: it’s expandable
Stub out with copper. Make everyone happier!
Personally I hate when I see pex Stubouts. Makes it feel cheap. But I get it that it’s easier. Thanks for the video!
Copper for me. I have re-piped every house I have owned in copper--safer, anti-bacterial, no leaks, great selling point when it's time to go.
Thank you for your knowledge
It's a holdrite with pex turnout well holdrite is the brand of them they sale in south think plumb best makes one too
Do thoes 90 degree turns snap in the brackets. Which brackets are thoes. I'm no plumber, but I want that in my house.
Thank you 👍🏻
I live in UK and solder copper as much as i can. We have plastic here aswell but you can't beat the old skool coz if it aint broke don't fix it end of
Less restrictive 90°
Does it now stick out the other side of the wall? Idk how many ppl have a big void behind their sink
Do this at a minimum. I prefer copper stub outs but I do appreciate the clean looking work
you have apparently only adopted the bad features of the Uponor system... at least here in Uponor's home country, the hoses are installed in a protective pipe and the ends of the protective pipes have connection boxes, which guarantee that possible leaks are revealed and the inner hoses can be changed without opening the walls...
They also make copper pieces work attaches to the pex
I don't like exposed plastic. I prefer to transition into copper for all wall penetrations.
And almost seems counterintuitive but but less fittings is better here
Less fitting less potential leaks but more so , the less water restriction ….
Copper and good. No damages no probs.
Wish that part of the elbow that went through was threaded and the was a nut on the outbound side.
Thats clever!!🙂
I don’t like pex sticking out like that I prefer pex crimp stub out a lot less movement
Nice
That section should always be copper
Says who?
Why?
How long do these houses last, they seem so flimsy
copper stub out would be better though
Are you only installing them because the camera is there?
if pex is so good like everyone says fittings shouldn't be a problem
Well I have a solution. Don’t stub out with pen :) use copper instead or go into brass that’s even better
The 3/4 inch seem to break.
Bruce Springsteen does plumbing too?
How long does Pex last? Copper is forever.
Ha ha ha. Sure sure. Hate to tell you but copper does fail. I’m looking at a cold water line that failed. Developed a hole in the line. And a copper drain line also failed. It rotted out. Nothing last forever my friend.
In a world where we are worried about microplastics, we switch our water lines to plastic
Just drill holes in a wood brace and you won't need any specialized equipment or tubing adapters.
Sherlock fuller
Yea my stub outs are about 2 3 feet also 😂
They're hanging out the back of the stud😂
I hope you strapped those waterlines.. they’ll be very noisy behind the wall when the homeowners use their sink 😅
Yeah, but could they make a bracket that doesn’t sit on top of the studs, but rather attaches between them? The drywallers will thank you.
Can stub out with copper ?
Rats love pex
Yes and filthy places, get rid of them
Running PEX in walls without conduit? Sounds weird. Also there are 90 degree fittings where the PEX and conduit connects to and if your PEX breaks it will leak out into the room and not in-between the wall. Here we only use PEX in conduits
You get micro plastics, you get micro plastics...everybody gets microplastics.
Cheaper way of doing it,makes contractor more money
Steve, whats the largest diameter PEX you install? Always been concerned with lower water pressure due to PEX couplers being narrower than the PEX pipe.
Only an issue if your looking for more than 5 gpm. Most showers with a handheld at same time will be 4 gpm. And sometimes the valve themselves will restrict the flow. So depends on what you are trying to feed
Don’t use crimp fittings, use expansion fittings and pex a . Pretty much takes care of all the problems you get with pex b and crimp fittings. It’s not a problem
PEX A is the same diameter throughout because you expand it over the fitting. Pex B is restricted at couplers because they slide inside the pipe and crimped.
The Fisher-Price plumbers pipe
Pex scares me...plastic as a long term intake pipe seems like such a bad idea. Its like asking for problems in the future. Whatever happens building with the determination of making things last as long as possible.
So as a general contractor, i guess that your license is allowing you to do the plumbing and electrical for bathroom builds.
I guess 😂
Had to pause to bend that red line.😂
They really took all of the skill and craft out of plumbing huh?
This pex will fall apart in less than 10 years
I thought I'd seen it all
Great system but the Truth is most people are cheap and aren't willing to spend the extra dime so they can keep more of the money..
Less fittings = success
Ya can’t beat copper if done right it will last 60 years
Copper out the wall or not at all
You should bump it up a size due to the fitting restricting the size of the pipe. Copper dose not restrict. Pex has had several class action law suits. They had to sue cal so it could be sold in cal again. We still have problems with rodents chewing pex to get water.
They made that to stop the metal from cutting the PEX
No other supports, just flapping around in the wall. Guess the plan is they will move out of the way of nails snd screws.
PEX is made from oil so if you ste “green” it’s not for you.
Fewer. Not less.
Are pex stub outs better than copper stub outs?
No , i rather finish pex with a threaded drop ear elbow & add a copper stub out
personally I will use a 90-degree
Is there any sort of a grommet that is needed for that strapping??
To protect the PEX?
The plastic bend protects the pipe.
So children can do plumbing now,like legos.
They make braces that secure to the inside of the stud bay your drywall guy must hate you😅
Not in my house.
Maybe in the shop
i just came here for the comment section
How many times we gonna see this same video 😂 love the content though
I’m no plumber , but the plastic red and blue pex sticking out is god awful! Would much rather see someone install a 90 with a stub sticking out in copper. It just looks way more finished and professional. Pex looks sloppy.
Problem is, Mice and rats Eat pex's pipe. In fact they're magnetically drawn to it, Is a slight electromagnetic field happens when water passes through a pack's pipe. And rodents cannot help themselves.
Boommm…. A few months later a crack will be developed right there😂😂