Lorehold Legacies Precon: $50 Budget Upgrade | Precon Power-Up (Boros Artifacts)
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- We're upgrading the Lorehold Legacies Precon with just $50, commanded by Osgir, the Reconstructor!
Upgraded Lorehold Legacies Decklist:
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Link to the cards we added, on TCGplayer:
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Osgir, the Reconstructor is here with his Lorehold Legacies precon, and it's our job to upgrade this deck into a powerful artifact machine playable at any commander table with a budget of only fifty dollars! Can we take this Boros artifact preconstructed deck and crank it up to 11?
Here's the FULL list of cards we would cut:
Triplicate Titan
Laelia, the Blade Reforged
Excavation Technique
Ruin Grinder
Bosh, Iron Golem
Steel Hellkite
Hoard-Smelter Dragon
Rout
Cleansing Nova
Return to Dust
Pilgrim’s Eye
Unstable Obelisk
Secret Rendezvous
Darksteel Mutation
Hellkite Igniter
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Wake the Past
Reconstruct History
Sanctum Gargoyle
Thopter Engineer
Rip Apart
Duplicant
Boros Locket
Alibou, Ancient Witness
Pia Nalaar
Steel Overseer
Study Hall
Temple of the False God
Forgotten Cave
Secluded Steppe
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Plains
Plains
Plains
Sections of the video:
0:00 - Intro
0:47 - What's Our Game Plan?
2:03 - Cutting the Worst
4:40 - Adding the Best
8:03 - Upgrading the Rest
12:50 - How Can This Deck Win?
19:25 - Land Upgrades
23:59 - Deck Stats
26:05 - Outro + Tidbit About our Lives - Hry
I don't get it, why do you have so many views, but only a few likes? Your channel is so underrated and the people only consume it, without appreciate your Time. That's so sad. Like your channel so much. Keep up the great work.
I feel it may be due to the content here being mostly audio-based, causing viewers to leave it on in the background while they shop for the cards mentioned. xD
I just saw one of your videos from a few years ago, then saw this one. It's amazing how much your channel has grown. Congratulations you two!
Absolutely love this @Nitpicking Nerds.
Finding what to keep or cut can be challenging.
Thank you for helping.
I love your videos! I upgraded my aesi deck with your help, and because of this i finally chose to buy the lorehold deck and upgrade it with your notes. Keep up the great content - im burning through your vids!
So glad to hear that Josh! We've got a gigantic backlog to dive into haha
Hey guys, I started watching your videos and im loving them. Came across this video, had Osgir laying around and was going to play magic today asked my local card store if they had the upgrades and was able to get the jist of them, played the deck and was able to go infinite. This deck is so nasty now Im loving it thank you so much! Also, I love the random tidbits about your life you guys are becoming my favorite magic channel quickly
Man i Love your upgrade Videos! Your guys are My number 1 go to Channel for the upgrades.
Keep that insane work up, thanks for your Videos !
Thanks! We really put a ton of effort into them
Great ideas, guys! Appreciate all the content, I'm especially excited for this deck.
Any other precons that are catching your eye?
I pre-ordered all 5 of these decks and the top 25 set cards. So excited for the upcoming videos. Keep it up!
Wow you’re all ready to go for Strixhaven! Hopefully these precon power ups are useful to you!
Just discovered these guys and holy crap i love them! i just bought this deck and i took notes and im building it just like yall suggested, thank you so much!
Hey Faith, thanks for the kind words! Super glad our upgrades could be helpful for you :D
Love your content! Been recommending your channel to all my commander nerd friends!
That's super helpful, we appreciate it!
I usually can’t get through your videos for the rambling for half the video but this one was really well put together and not hard to follow at all. Well done.
Just wanna say, I love the fact the video is visibly split, it’s really helpful
We are an ever evolving channel!
@@NitpickingNerds yes you guys really are! I’m in the discord, and contribute to your Paterson through a friend (50:50). Keep the great work up guys!! Also u guys should do a Nikya of the old ways deck
Junk Diver is almost $5 right now, Workshop Assistant, (Another random common from Kaladesh) does the same thing just without flying.
Great video as always. Good suggestions for this deck. I'm excited for a few different goodies from Strixhaven
We are too. Much more exciting than kaldheim and that was a good set
Idk if this has been mentioned before on this channel, but artifact lands work pretty well to ramp with Osgir. They pay for themselves with Osgir's sac outlet, and net you mana with the copies.
They were actually in the precon, which was sweet
Just got into Magic and this is my first deck. Love the video. Would be very interested to see a non budget build as well.
Excellent work, boys! I'm really impressed by how quickly you've managed to crank out these upgrade videos. How do you go about play-testing these upgraded decks?
These nerds are absolutely killing it, and I ain't talkin 'bout no stinkin removal spells!
We do use removal too 😊
no kidding, coming with the heat!
Love this video. Very high value cards in this deck. I didn't even notice Thousand Year Elixir (not to mention the Map, Monologue Tax, and Hellkite Tyrant) in the precon. Glad I preordered it. I'll be saving these upgrades to review when I upgrade my precon. BTW I'd hate to see what Lithoform Engine could do (a $10+ upgrade yes, but could be really sick).
Ugin the virgin cracks me up every single time.
It is the funniest joke in the world 😂
@@NitpickingNerds ngl tho I'm pretty sure ugin crushes dragon cloeca on a daily basis
Joe's reaction was good also
Switched from Yugioh to MTG last Saturday finally...this Commander deck was recommended, and Osgir is so like me! Subscribed!
i love the new nonbudget card inclusions you did with this too! just a couple cards but absolutely go "hey you wanna go a little a harder?"
I like the new cards for this.deck. lots of cool inclusions to the format imo.
You guys had some good picks. I especially liked the lands.you chose.I agreed with every pick.
I'm so.excited.for.this set as a whole. Ill wait.until the video to tell you.what my favorite deck is.but I am freaking STOKED!
We await your favorite!
and yes, thanks for the cuts!
having a list of what to chop first, is a great first step for the bois that dont even get sleeved
Wow, 3 full length videos in 3 days...
That’s completely insane
Well get ready for even more!
I picked up this deck just today on sale because I liked the commander. Great tips on turning this into fun combo machine instead of a combat first deck.
Osgir, the Reconstructor
Joe Cherries: "Oscar, the Reconstructor"
Jokes aside, top tier content as always 👍
He keeps calling him that on purpose lol
if you spend a little bit more, zirda does insane work in this deck! if you have osgir, zirda, and burnished hart, you pay 4 mana and get 6 lands!
I thought about Zirda but there’s only a couple of activated abilities in this version
I've been considering running pull from eternity and karn the great creator to repeat exiling some value artifacts
Karn is another potentially spicy way to do that too, nice
Ssshhhhhhhhh don't give away the secret tech 😉
Right there’s videos for that 😂
Isochron scepter+pull from eternity
What about Ugin's Nexus? Infinite turns perhaps?
good to see you guys busy and beastin'
Extremely busy! Very much beastin
Nice job creating a workable budget commander deck that plays to the strength of the chosen commander. I cant imagine how tough it is finding budget cards now with everything spiking in price so much.
Beezy lives for this!
I literally bought this product for the Hellkite Tyrant, Thousand-Year Elixir, and all the potential staples lol
That's a spicy combo there, I like it - I made the human deck from last year's precon and it won a couple games at the table too
A great deal!
A cheap few cards that are really cool in this deck is Eldrazi Displacer and Pierce Strider. I've had cool success with those. (Also, as mentioned, Krark-Clan Ironworks is like a "must-have" in this deck.)
Krark-clan ironworks seems like the best possible addition to this deck.
that's nearly the whole budget
What card would you replace krark with?
Love this deck it's just strong enough
I built an osgir deck with some pretty brutal win cons. Big artifact creatures with terror of the peaks. And multiple ways to copy osgirs ability. Imagine brining back 4 or 6 phyrexian triniforms. Or using basalt monolith rings of brighthearth to cast walking balista infinite mana. There's so much you can do with osgir.
Any plans for the Baulder's Gate Precons? Would love to see Exit From Exile :D
Managed to build a 9. It's very fun. With coveted jewel and memory jar as pivotal pieces.
Ooooo nice!
@@NitpickingNerds Edit. I ment to say coveted jewel, not jeweled lotus. my bad
Mirror of fate and ugins nexus has an infinate turns/ doomsday loop. It's kind of complicated but very constant
I know this is an old video, but I hope someone can help with this: how does the flayer husk Infinite mill work when flayer husk isn’t a creature and therefore can’t untap salvaging station?
Anointed processions works well here too
Heck yes been waiting for this!!
There's more coming!
Budget sac outlet: Ravenous Intruder. A red 2 drop 1/2 that sacs and artifact for a +2 buff, but we look at the free sac artifact
Any Brothers War recommendations for this one? Lots of artifact goodies in that one, don't know how many of them are just reprints.
Where is the blasting station? With the cost reducers, blasting station plus any combo of the myr retriever style creatures is just infinite damage
Please do these for all the decks so excited for these commanders!
We are, and we're doing it back to back!
@@NitpickingNerds LETS GOOOOOO 🥳
Expect Prismari to be out tomorrow 11 am EST!
U guys should make video about which deck is better... u are already in the upgrades...
Thanks for the nice work😎👍
Thanks maria!
you can use cloud key to reduce the cost of artifacts by another 1. 2 if you count in osgir's ability
That's another good non-budget include for upgrading
Can you change the moving background when the card is showed? It's so hard to focus on the text
Ichor Wellspring and Goblin Engineer is a nice card draw engine
Yeah they go really well together!
I love your videos guys, but I don't get it the first combo, if you sac sculpting steel I assume after you want to reconstruct with osgir, but osgir exiles it from the grave, so i guess mostly you'd get 6 removals and thats it? how do you loop sculpting?
Sculpting steel comes back to your hand if you make a copy of Spine of Ish Sah and sacrifice it. With a 1 mana reduction in cost and krark-clan ironworks in play, you can wipe every permanent on the table
After spending hours fascinated by the idea of making the Mirror Of Fate / Osgir combo work I am now proud to announce you can pull it off with a measly 13 mana:
To start you need:
- Osgir, the Reconstructor on Board
- Key to the City on Board
- Mirror of Fate in Hand (Or in Graveyard)
- Ugin’s Nexus in Hand (Or on Board)
- The ability to produce 13 mana every turn (or less if your artifacts cost less / reduced costs of activated abilities)
Turn One:
- Cast Ugin’s Nexus (5 mana)
- Sacrifice it to Osgir, it will put itself in exile and you’ll line up an extra turn after this one (1 mana)
- Discard Mirror of Fate to Key to the City
- Tap Osgir, exiling it from the graveyard and making 2 token copies (5 Mana)
- Tap and Sac one of the Mirror of Fate token copies; put Ugin’s Nexus and the real copy of Mirror of Fate on top of your library in any order
Turn Two:
- In your upkeep pay the 2 to draw with Key to the City as it untaps then draw for turn, you'll have both combo pieces back in hand
- Repeat combo infinitely, you are now exactly where you started except it’s cost you 2 more mana than the very first time you started a turn with this combo (which is why we needed to untap with 13 Mana) but you also have an extra Mirror of Fate token artifact on board, therefore, you can repeat this process for infinite artifacts.
Moreover since the infinite artifacts you’ve stockpiled are copies of one of the combo pieces, you can now safely remain infinitely cycling your turn with one less card and 5 less mana. Simply return each of your lands to the top of the deck every turn with the Ugin’s Nexus and then return any card out of your exiled library that you want.
- Simplest win from here is to play enough creatures to run down your opponent’s life totals with infinite combats but I personally I think it’s a lot more flavourful to go for infinite damage buffs with Ashnod’s Altar and Osgir sacrificing Mirror of Fate Tokens or jamming an extra turn with Hellkite Tyrant on board
Actually, come to think of it, you could cast the Ugin's Nexus the turn prior to starting the combo, making the first turn cost only 6 mana, then use the extra free Mirror of Fate Token as combo piece for the 2nd turn so that you don't have to reanimate the one you'd normally have returned to your deck/hand with the first Mirror of Fate activation.
Instead, you could return a basic land card, making turn 2 cost 8 mana but having provided you with 1 of it.
Turn 3 you’d have to return both pieces and cast them together so it’d still be 13 mana to combo but you were just supplied with 1 mana for free so technically you get to start comboing off a turn earlier? As in, start the combo with only access to 12 mana
If you’d returned a Sol Ring, Ancient Tomb or Thran Dynamo or something like that instead of the basic land you could potentially do it starting with even less but it’d depend on what you had left in your exiled library to play
I'd rather not do combo stuff but I can see that direction. So much fun stuff to do with this dude, triple up wayfarers bauble, lock someone forever with multiple hope of ghirapur, etc
Yeah you could also go the combat route, although fair warning that hope is legendary!
@@NitpickingNerds oh ye for sure just thinking of bonus fun things you can do with it.
I kept in duplicant because I'm running panharmonicon and that shit is hilarious.
Can someone explain the Spine of Ish Sah combo? Even if you get colorless cost -6 you still have to pay 1 for spine of ish sah each time? And you only get sculpting steel once?
You have Ish Sah on the board along with a sac outlet. Your cost reducers brings Sculpting Steel down from 3 to 0. You cast it for 0, copy Spine (already on the board) and destroy something. Sac Sculpting steel (which will return to your hand since it's a copy of Ish Sah. Cast it again for 0, rinse repeat.
Triggered abilities that trigger when a permanent leaves the battlefield do so if the permanent had the ability just before it left the battlefield. In this case, just before the Sculpting Steel dies, it had the ability of Spine of Ish Sah, so that ability will trigger, returning it to your hand.
@@MikeSpaulding0585 thanks a lot! That's awesome.
I love the Spine.
There's like 7 other card's like Foundry Inspector that could go in this deck. There's Semblance Anvil, Helm of Awakening, and Starnheim Courser and they're budget. A little high in the budget but they're the same price as the Ugin
Anvil is $7 and helm is $5, so we omitted those. I honestly didn’t even remember Courser existed, but that’s a slam dunk for this deck!
@@NitpickingNerds I figured you'd like that one especially since its a creature lol
how does the Spine of Ish Sah and sculpting steel win the game, i get you are to blow up all permanents your opponents control but could you explain the order of things.
Play Sculpting steel for free (use reducers), it comes into play as a copy of spine.
Sac sculpting steel (spine) to slobad, return it to your hand.
Play sculpting steel again for free with the reducers (ugin, inspector foundry, joirah's familiar)
sorry but i dont understand the 3 pice combo with salvaging station and grinding station. Ok, you sac Flayer Husk to Grinding Station. Mill. Tab Salvaging Station to get back Flayer Husk. Grinding Station untab. Tab Grinding again and sac Flayer Husk to mill again. and then it stops right? Flayer Husk is not a creature and therefore doesn't untab salvaging station right? Hopefully im wrong, i allready ordered the cards to upgrade the deck.
nvm the Germ is a 0/0 without the equipment so it dies. Oh man I should have realized that earlier. Sorry
I think I'm missing something with the Spine of Ish Sah combo, how do you continuously recur Sculpting Steel to blow up everything?
When the sculpting steel (that has copied the Spine of Ish Sah) is sacrificed, the 2nd ability will trigger when it goes from the battlefield to the graveyard, and will return it to your hand, even though it's no longer a Spine of Ish Sah. The cost reducers like Foundry then allow you to replay Steel for a reduced cost or for free. Rinse and repeat. Hope that helps.
@@kyleabrahams8996 Thank you very much! For some reason I didn't even think about Sculpting Steel still being Spine of Ish Sah when it dies.
After this video now 100 dollar upgrades lol
I cant believe you just did my boy Temple of the False God dirty like that, its my budget ancient tomb and I will never remove it!!
1:53 you boys are so in sync
CZcams has failed me by not sending out a notification this time. No me gusta!
BTW Will you guys be doing a full review of strix once all cards are spoiled? Want to hear your opinion on any new staples popping up!
We usual do a top 10
Jor Kadeen for Vehicles. Suddenly servos crew for 4 and you're gonna run away with some harsh as fuck tire treads.
You are my favourite nerds
This is a huge honor 😍
Temple of the False God gave me an idea. You should come up with a Nitpicking Nerds Hall of Shame: a card of every card type that sees play but that you think should never see play.
Land: Temple of the False God
Creature: Grave Titan
Sorcery: Kodama's Reach/Cultivate
Instant: Hero's Downfall?
Enchantment: Phyrexian Arena
Artifact: Armillary Sphere?
Planeswalker: Elspeth, Sun's Champion?
That's a pretty good list lol. I HAAAATE Hero's Downfall in Commander
WTF grave titan is broken, deathrite shaman is worst creature
I really don’t like Boros, but this looks like something I might actually like
This deck is really cool!
How much will Strixhaven precon's cost? 50 bucks? I genuinely don't know.
We mention at the end they are around 40
Mirror of Fate can just do a really weird repeatable Doomsday impression?
I think so? I just don’t see how to actually win from that point
@@NitpickingNerds It works alongside something like Paradox Engine and Mystic Forge to let you re-clone any number of mana rocks to generate infinite mana, and then re-clone literally any artifact in your deck. Because Mirror exiles your deck, subsequent Mirror activations can literally let you put ANY 7 CARDS from your entire deck on top, and with Mystic Forge and infinite mana you can just assemble any combo, and even reassemble it with token copies thanks to Osgir.
So for instance, if you have 10 mana available (at least part of which is non-lands) + some way to draw 1 card (such as an implement and a sac outlet) then you sac the first Mirror and put on top Mystic Forge, Paradox Engine, Sol Ring, followed by any other mana rocks you want. Draw and play the Mystic Forge, then play the Paradox Engine off the top. From here, playing the mana rocks untaps all your mana rocks and Osgir, so you can start using his ability to clone mana rocks and generate large amounts of mana, finally using his ability to clone Mirror and put all the exiled mana rocks (and the original Mirror card) back on top of your library. This loops to create infinite mana, and infinite Osgir and Mirror activations, which means you can stack any critical mass artifact combo on top and play it out.
@@Dupernerd Too bad Engine is banned rn
Is there a way to do it without Engine? As Greg pointed out it is banned in Commander
just wondering, is the precon available yet?
Not yet, i think they release the 23rd
Thank you my fellow grave titan enthusiast
You’re welcome if you never call me that again 😂
I disagree with cutting Laelia, her exiling synergizes with Osgir when he exiles from the graveyard
Im building a modular tribal with osgir
Lorehold and Boros hold nothing in common except color identity. If anything, the Boros name needs to fade into the ether until the next return to Ravnica. These Lorehold cards are turning a much-needed corner for these colors. I'm happy to call out "Lorehold" at the table for my next red & white deck!
Breezy's eye contact is super intense in the intros 😳
Just an update in 2023, just priced out this upgrade....$110.98.
I'm gonna be honest: I'd put Karn, Great Creator in the deck because I'm greedy and I like the idea of reusing exiled artifacts.
I don’t think they understand that second card they cut isn’t tapped creatures it’s tapped artifacts which includes mana rocks nutty card.
We don't have a lot of artifacts that tap themselves in this deck, it looks better off as its own thing to us
@@NitpickingNerds Ah, fair. I mean I'm going for a semi revamped designed to abuse treasure tokens with improvise mechanic and tap to reduce cost of other artifacts and or tap to burn not to sac for mana. with a double token mechanics plan on going wide. Not to mention mana rocks (Artifact rocks that sac themselves for draw just to come back out again? sign me up!)
Honestly though, when I look at it I see another concept that isn't being broadcasted, I mean.. What is boros known for? Attacking? I mean even in his first ability its a pump. So why not use Artifact equipment and double up on the best ones that give dmg increases.. Break the bank versions with all the swords? low equipment is low cmc? no need for the huge value this commander gives? so idk maybe a blightsteel (Even know you can't sac to double it) it's still a huge 11/11 beater.
Honestly my biggest issue is I can't figure out what direction I wanna ultimately take. I know I want to do something boros is specifically good at doing.
Why do you prefer Wear//Tear over Rip Apart?
Sorcery is a killer for us
Also, wear/tear is a 2-for-1!
Lotus bloom cof cof
Why play Hellkite Igniter when you could play Moltensteel Dragon, which is, by itself a card people ever played.
You hurt my feelings a little bit by crushing bosh. But he is bad I'll just play him because he's super cool
It's fine to play cards if they're cool we do it all the time :P
I was about to write exactly the same message. Do you want share your decklist ? :p
@@iplayhunter oh I don't play him as the commander I play him in a big junky gruul burn deck
@@aidankeyes5526 I'm a fond of Bosh as CM
no soulscour?
I cant believe you guys consider Alibou part of the "worst" cards in the deck... I feel like you guys didn't realize that X is ALL artifacts, not just Artifact Creatures. You can swing with Alibou alone and still get a massive Scry and use the damage to remove a creature.
You guys see a win con in Reckless Fireweaver, but see none in Alibou? LOL
It's not a bad card but it doesn't fit with the deck we built. It would be great as a coommander of its own deck
Reckless Fireweaver is far better than Alibou, especially for the direction they went. X isn't all artifacts you control. It's all tapped artifacts you control.
Joe: "This is the start of the Adds"
Me: "I hope it's Raid: Shadow Legends"
Immediate disappointment...
Yeah what a bummer there’s commander info instead 😂
😉
Honestly I don't understand the MDFC land cards - you cut down the number of creatures (even mention it multiple times in the video) to just put in two cards dependent on the number and strength of your creatures, otherwise they are just bad cards. Basic lands would be better as you would almost never use the spell side.
Procon upgrade: cuts all the new cards lol
Most of them 🤣
I do enjoy - and value - your output. One problem I do have though is your rushed "explanation" of combos. I can never follow what you're saying and if I hear 'with a Ham Sandwich' once more I'm going to punch my screen in. Please go much, much slower on these sections (maybe separate vids?). show the cards, explain how they tap - impact the next, then back to the first, showing how the infinite effect builds up (maybe showing as a third anim the treasure/impact damage - whatever) s l o w l y. Generally though I can follow and do enjoy your quickfire style.
cheers
Ugin xD look to 13.24
huh?
@@NitpickingNerds the Virgin?
Ahhh yes
@@NitpickingNerds Great videos guys, new here but you got my sub!
@@CorpsesAllOver we never call him anything else
Love boros artifacts, but there's just too many consistency cards in blue for artifacts to ever make me want to ditch blue, also lack of compact win cons :/
As your budget increases you can find more 2 and 3 card combos. For example Zirda + Monolith or Foundry Inspector + Top + Mystic Forge
@@NitpickingNerds ooh, zirda monolith is a good one, forgot about that. I may have a boros artifact deck in my future :P
Aether revolt = old. For me it’s still a new set, makes me feel old...
It hurt me when Joe said that too XD
Showing what's in the deck should be a video first...
I think I speak for everyone when I ask if Joe is single?
PpPpPPoOOowwwaaaaaaaa
Wow you guys have terrible assessment of the cards and synergy in this deck. You took out some of the great cards!
Instead of saying we did a bad job you should bring up what you think we took out that you would of kept. Makes for a better discuusion than saying we did terrible :)
We are not stupid... we get which cards dont belong... cutting card is easy...
Then wtf are you watching a video about upgrading the precons?
@@ectoBiologist21 because I wanted to learn about the deck
What was in it how it played... cutting. card us the easy part. Finding alternatives and what is the overall goal and synergies of the decks is what matters more to me... I just feel they should present the deck first. I'm not trying to be negative just giving an opinion to the nitpicking nerds.... they Re the first one to talk about those decks that I follow on you tube yet they dont talk much about the cards in them...surely they name all the cards they want to cut but dont show much of the good cards in them
@@belledorris1973 I know this is 11 months old but you seem to genuinely misunderstand the point of this video. It’s about upgrading the deck. Not breaking down the basics of how the deck works. Look to a product review for that, not this video.
U guys are literally skipping the basics... show us the cards... your opinion on them... is the deck worth to buy or not...