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What I want to see are solar roof tiles which capture either electricity or heat or both ,for storage and distribution; tiles which can be installed by any roofer, will last as long as standard roof tiles, and are about the same cost...safe in any climate.
Different: Use normal Solarpanel and make it water sealed.. Easier, the small tiles are to small you loose to much space....
Why? They failed already. Nobody wants to pay U$60,000 for a roof on a standard house.
@@paulharling7657 reading comprehension is a useful skill
Broken solar panels on a roof can lower roof temperature in the summer reducing the a/c load. The panels can shield the roof from some of the chill in the winter.
If I could get free broken panels I might cover a metal roof of a shed with them.
The solar tiles might cost less if the roof were spec'd in advance so that a commonplace kit could be used - manufacted at volume.
Thanks Sam
I have one of the earliest LiFePO batteries purchased in 2012. Its a 24AH 4S originally designed for golf carts. I use it as a portable power pack for 12-15V as pplications including camping, home lighting, and a host of other outdoor applications. Its had a rough life but still works.very well with no detectable reduction in capacity
Hi Sam thinking of you all and praying for your wife's. Recovery. Never give up!
I liked the battery update thank you! Now the whole world is developing battery technology. Its obvious improvements are going to come thick and fast, much faster than the pace of ice technology did over the past 100 years. It's so exciting!
Batteries will get "better" , but the premium batteries might be too spendy for widespread use.
It's possible that since the Chevron Deference court case that NHTSA regulations which have caused smaller cars to be much more costly - effectively reducing the U.S. to just the Versa and Mirage - that new affordable subcompact vehicles can again be produced. Safety regulations have driven the U.S. auto market toward trucks and SUVs.
Possibly, small EVs can now be more profitable to be manufactured outside of China.
There are innovative cancer trial treatments. There are probably a 100 causes of cancer. Each cancer has different traits. I don't think it's been yet proven that cancer is caused by genetic mutations - it causes genetic damage. The mechanisms of a cell are more complex than a city - the more that is learned, the greater the questions.
It's known many recover from cancer without knowing that they ever had it. I'm at risk of a cancer that I had 9 years ago. Some of my relatives have had cancer 4 times and are now in their 90s. Your wife needs contact with friends who provide emotional support. Some medical professionals are saints, some go the extra mile - all are overworked.
Battery design has many trade offs. Unfortunately most of the time people only focus on energy density. There is also longevity - both in terms charging cycles and calendar life. Also temperature sensitiviy, and charging / discharging rate. Often, they leave out one of them and only emphasize the one impressive metric.
Yeah… LFP batteries, for example, have amazing longevity. No one talks about those because they’re in base RWD models. But if we could just increase their energy density and output, we’d have a perfect battery that could be used in performance models.
@@ElMistroFeroz I think it is now done... Watch the guy other videos he is constantly explaining batteries. There M3P battery and BYD Blade 2.0, Zikr own LFP improvements now all has around 190-205 Wh/kg which is like 15-24%. It is already in use in China. Many people is waiting for the new Model Y it should the first western cars using those new gen LFP
The interesting thing with extended range is that for most markets it is unnecessary. The fact is that the average private driver, which covers 90% of the market, they drive an average of 37Km per day.
The oil industry has done a great job of making range a far more important factor than it really is.
For 40 years I always only filled up with NZ$20 worth of petrol, which in 2019 was getting me ~100km of range down to "Empty' (now it's ~80km). So when I got a used Nissan Leaf with 95km range there was no range anxiety because I was used to operating like that. It's all about what drivers are used to doing.
I’m assuming you’re in EU where it makes WAY more sense, but in the U.S. it’s much further and what do you do WHEN you want to go further…gamble that the charger won’t be broken or a line? For the southern and Western U.S., PHEVs are the answer until the charging infrastructure is figured out. It’s ludicrous that petrol stations don’t install charging stations, if only to gouge EV stations. Petrol companies
are diversifying and are
some of the leading installers of solar, install the chargers already!
@@microbiologycory10 I am not from the EU in fact but from a small country, even still you have not thought about this. Yes in the US you are capable of driving very long distances but the realty is that the average private driver drives 37 Km a day and the average EV is capable of around 400 Km on a charge which is between four to six hours driving. How many people do you know that spend four to six hours every day driving in their private car remembering that private cars make up about 80% of the fleet.
Yes the public charging network is still being developed but it will grow as the market grows but for the vast majority of people they return home each night and sleep, they all have power and can charge while they sleep. Even those that dont have off street parking there are solutions to be able to charge from their home account plus there is always the option to generate your own power.
So is enough a 23k euro car. Like Citroen C3e or Renault 5. With insentives you can buy it for 18k.
It is perfect for the second car of the family.A car with autonomy of 200km-300km is enough.
OMG another battery break thru, add that to the 100 announced so far! When we start seeing any new battery tech in an EV from Tesla, Ford, GM. I'll believe it!
Instead of waiting for these bs breakthroughs, gotta just wait till car makers use QuantumScapes lithium battery or Condensed Batters by CATL or even the semi solid state battery by NIO
Watching this vid now. The Zeekr vid filmed in China (yesterday's vid, watched this morning) was super-great !
Just because you say so, its not categorically & completely untrue.
Not 1000 miles but, 1000Km range has been mentioned by many, which would be great.
Better to appreciate it.
Even if you only get 50 charge cycles they need to be installed in race cars and other applications for testing. That will allow study of used batteries to see why they degraded.
I like the replace the battery when they come out with a better one idea.
In the long run SSBs will be more energy dense simply because of the way that physics work (solids are denser than liquids)
really, there is nothing stored in the liquid.
@@ursodermatt8809 The liquid is an electrolyte, so it does in fact hold energy :)
Liquid electrolytes in batteries, are typically composed of lithium salts dissolved in organic solvents. They provide the ionic conductivity.
On the other hand, solid electrolytes replace the liquid with solid materials like ceramics or sulfides. These solid-state batteries offer the potential for higher energy density due to their ability to pack in more material, think about it like this: Is a KG of iron dissolved into water easier to carry around or is a solid 1kg hunk of iron easier to pack into tighter, solid spaces?
Although manufacturing solid-state batteries at scale remains a challenge at the moment, due to higher costs and technical difficulties, it will be resolved eventually, plenty of smart people in the field.
@@ursodermatt8809 Hope this information interests you, have a great day!
4:40 "energy density of gasoline is about 10K Wh/kg" it is really just about. Actual facts are 12,66k and 12.88 Wh/kg so way more then you say. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density#In_chemical_reactions_(oxidation)
But I think and you should emphasize, that is the ICE cars effectivity is about 20-30% (depends on age and pure burning efficiency not Hybrid!!!) So from that 12,888.9 Wh/kg actually you use MAX 3,866.7 Wh/kg to MOVING YOUR CAR!!!! 70% what you buy is becoming HEAT...
No only that, once you factor in the energy cost of producing the fuel - the Well-to-Wheel energy cost - fossil fuels comes as requiring over 4 times the amount of energy as Batttery EVs per km travelled.
Dude, Quantumscape is lithium metal and VW confirmed 95% retention rate after 1,000 full cycles
Ya, Volkswagen is a trusted name😂
And that's why in 2-4 years we'll be driving with then.
Quantumscapes’s stock is up 50% in 1 week. Laugh all you want.
Yes! A battery break-through! My day is saved 🎉
Great video. "10K wh in a gallon of gas." I love hearing stats like that.
Sam said 10KwHour per Kilogram of weight not a gallon. 1 Gallon of gas weighs a little less than 6 kg
See @tothimre7950 detailed comments below
Correction 1 gallon of gasoline weights a little less than 3 kg
Liquid fuels are 33-37+kwhs per gallon in total energy capacity. With road gas at 33.1-33.7kwhs per gallon.
The very first li-ion batteries in the 1960s and 1970s were... solid-state batteries with lithium-metal anodes!
Thing is, these were single use and couldn't be recharged. When scientists tried to make them rechargeable, they encountered two problems:
-The seperator/electrolyte had very high internal resistance, so recharging was very slow with high energy losses;
-Part of the lithium-ions didn't nest in the li-metal anode, but formed solid lithium on the surface, called dendrites. These dendrites kept growing with every charge, eventually puncturing the seperator and killing the battery.
The solution they came up with:
-Replace the electrolyte with a liquid, vastly improving conductivity;
-Replace the anode with carbon (graphite). It stores a lot less lithium, but the dendrite problem is mostly gone.
We now see the first semi-solid-state batteries coming to market. These are common cathode / some kind of (Lithiumoxide?) solid electrolyte with a small amount of liquid remaining (for conductivity) / silicon-enriched carbon anode (less stable than pure carbon, stores more lithium, not much dendrites). About 350 to 400 Wh/kg at cell level.
Next step will be all-solid electrolyte, if the conductivity problem can be solved. Which seems to be on the horizon.
Then, change the anode to lithium-metal. Then dendrites need to be contained, but the new solid electrolyte may help. This will push energy density to 500 Wh/kg or so.
The "holy grail" type (700 Wh/kg and over) is the one Toyota is supposed to be working on: lithium-sulphur. Li-S can store the most li-ions of all known materials. Li-S will be the cathode, ceramic electrolyte, pure lithium anode. It is however extremely hard to produce, since water vapor and fine particles in the air will cause deformations, which are the start of dendrites. Rumors say Toyota can make cells, in a glove box that contains a 100% particle free, argon (=inert gas) environment. Not cheap, not scalable.
What do you think about Catl condensed battery
I can see that being an attractive proposition for some consumers, the model Ferrari is using. Replacement of current battery with state of the art battery pack eight years in the future.
Could easily morph into "lifetime replacement guarantee".
I can see other niche markets, such as high end electric OHV's, also electric pickups and campers. Lighter weight, and/or better center of gravity, and the range to spend a week exploring gravel back roads on one charge. And set out panels when settled, put back in enough charge to make sure you get off the mountain.
For some, hitting specific performance goals, to make an new activity possible, is worth the cost.
Recent research points to a striking pattern: Higher home insurance premiums are being charged in U. S. states where regulators apply essentially zero scrutiny to requests for rate increases, justifying inaction by laizze-faire "free market competions", Texas and Oklahoma for example, compared with states where officials question the justifications offered by companies and try to keep rates low, California for example, research shows. In California, which had over 7,000 wildfires last year, the typical homeowner in many ZIP codes paid premiums as low as .05 percent of home value. By contrast, in most of Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Louisiana (Red-State Legislatures), the average homeowner faced home insurance premiums GREATER than 2 percent of the value of local homes. Glen W. Mulready, Oklahoma’s elected insurance commissioner, has NEVER exercised his power to deny a rate increase requested by an insurance company for home insurance. He said he believed that imaginary "competition, not regulation, was the best way to hold down prices." Clearly that is entirely NOT correct, and he must realize that to be the case. After big losses in appropriately regulated states, such as California, national insurers raise rates in unregulated and loosely regulated states, such as Texas and Oklahoma. Enacting reforms to address the cost of disasters “requires people to accept that climate change is REAL.”
Isn't California seeing insurance companies leaving or at least greatly limiting business?
Why aren't the smartphone companies like Apple and Samsung making the breakthroughs in battery technology ?
Because it's not their business.
Maybe one day the more we recharge the more indurance we get but its more of a dream
Enovix and Amprius are getting similar energy density from their silicon anode batteries with more charge cycles.
That is an excellent idea replacement after 8 years at no cost presumably much better technology then-the cheapest cars/brands could even offer it but probably won’t🤯
Fisker situation etc would make it strange for Lucid and even Rivian to offer that but!?
Aluminium Sulfur, Aluminium Air, Aluminium Graphene are the way to go ! Aluminium is the key
Does it have a performance history in the real world ?
@@mikewallace8087 -Aluminium-ion battery hype is a recent thing, only Aluminium Air has real world testing and has longer range than Li-ion BUT can't be recharge...
-Al-Sulfur is not a thing yet...
-Al-Graphne can charge faster but has never leave the lab...
@@young-j731 acknowledged
@@young-j731what are there energy density?...
What do you think about Li-S
Charging time is more important in high density areas. Give me 350 miles and 5 minutes to charge.
EVs have that - in fact, they can be charged using 15 *seconds* of your time when you charge them at home.
Longer trips, roll lunches or other breaks into charge breaks. It's not that big a deal.
It's not just the battery. 350 miles corresponds to around 90 kWh of energy depending on the EV. The fastest level 3 chargers generally available are rated at 350 kWh with others at 250 kWh or even 150 kWh. A few math calculations later, that works out to 15+ minutes of charging if charging proceeds at the maximum rate of 350 kWh.
Of course you can charge your EV in 5 minutes, but you won't get 350 miles of additional range added.
Nope, prefer the way EV's charge as the car's wasting its time when charging and not mine; I just get on with things I want to do whilst the car is charging in the background.
Why has the annoyance of having to wait around with your car whilst it fuels become such an accepted norm; one that is now being touted as a desirable goal to replicate yet again. It was a nessecary burden of a past technology, purely an imposed time burden.
Home and destination charging makes so much more sense, particularly in high densty areas. For longer journeys breaking up the journey with a planned pitstop to refuel and relieve the human, not the car, is the important point - let the car get on with it's own needs in the background.
Incorrect, it is more valuable to have a bigger capacity for two reasons:
- less charges need per same total distance. So longer battery life
- more practical for long trips
- can be charged when energy is ambudant (cheap) i.e. at night or during solar peak so no need to upgrade infrastructure that much as for mass ultra fast chargers
@@user-hd4hd5bv6p - With batteries you can have the best of both - particularly with the 195kWh/kg LFP and 260Wh/kg NCA batteries available.
For smaller low mileage/city style cars, those typically only doing a few miles a day, you can optise for lower weight and lower cost using fewer higher density batteries. Increasing range through the raised efficiency a lower vehicle weight offers - having a sub 1 tonne car with 200 to 300 miles range for example from tiny 190kg battery.
For other needs, you can have the option of touring style cars packed full of high density batteries optimised for range and power, though with lower efficiency. Circa 2 tonne cars with 500+ mile ranges.
Both would offer low frequency of charging, as it will be down the typical usage pattern of each car. With 500wH/kg tthese numbers could easily double, but at this level it might be an issue for the lower cost cars to charge to 80/100% in a reasonable timeframe as the tend to have lower spec battery electronics.
One thing which might be useful even at lower cycles and lower density is a backup battery for the main battery.
All you'd need is 100km range of backup to get you to a charging point.
not serious are you?
@@ursodermatt8809 dead serious. If they can get a 1-4kwh back up to weigh about the same as the 12v battery it makes logical sense to get rid of that 12v battery and maybe look at using the replacement as an emergency backup just to get someone to the next charge station, or at least, closer to it.
If your main battery has already 60-70kwh charge - why would you want an additional small one as well?
@@christianolsen9781 replacing the 12v battery plus hacing essentially a backup battery if your main one runs out.
24M, sesAi, Blue Sollutions.
500Wh/kg this is what We need Right Now
The SCOTUS has overtuned the 40-year old Chevron Deference case that supports EV and so-called green mandates. It also affects firearm regulations from the ATF and pharmaceutical specifics from the FDA, plus other federal agencies regulations. Court cases will begin to challenge certain EV and renewable energy policies.
The 435 members of the House of Representatives will vote for/against measures on which the EPA is limited to an advisory role. It will cause a lobbyist feeding frenzy.
Aircraft here we come.
you dont get both much lower weight and much longer range, choose one.
Oltra!!!...right!!!
This CZcamsr needs to update this video quantumscape batteries have surpassed 1000 cycles and still have 95 percent of thier normal energy storage capacity.
130 cycles is not very many cycles, nor is 400 Wh/Kg is not nearly as good as CATL's condensed battery. Also, how will this battery perform in extreme hot and cold climates. A 150,000 miles would not be enough range for a standard car.
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Can you please talk about batteries that are being actually produced cause nothing you tell us about ever comes to Florissant or never the way you say..
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There is a thing that is quantified called technological hype . A new technoligy like batteries is given public acknowledgement and the public interrsted in that technology get very excited but here nothing about it after that and than those people enter disillusionment. Many times you never here of it again . Now a organization takes all these new battery technolugies and this alao includes using more efficient ways to produce them and how long it will take for thesee technologies to cone to market . Sone coukd be ad little as a year or as far off as a decade
Nio and you always have a fresh technology
Just swap it
Can someone explain what a charging cycle is? In Sam's example he talks about 350 cycles which equates to 150k miles, or was it km; no matter.
Without getting my calculator out I am assuming one charging cycle is from empty to full in Sam's example. In my case I charge every evening but only a small amount. If this also equates to one cycle then my battery would struggle to last a year.
Can someone who understands this better than my ageing brain explain what a charging cycle is in relation to battery life.
I think the charging cycles are full, 100% charging cycles from 0% to 100%. So if you go 30% to 80%, that's half a charge, so doing that twice is a full cycle. Going from 50% to 75% is 1/4 charge, so doing that 4 times is a full cycle.
The expected battery life in miles obviously depends on how big the battery is (how many kWh) and what kind of mileage per kWh to expect from a given EV so there's a lot of averaging going on.
@@twostate7822 thanks for your explanation. Makes good sense.
Sounds like Lithium Air. The theoretical energy density of a Lithium Air battery is in the 1000s of wh/kg. They get heavier as they discharge and convert the Lithium to LiO.
What about NASAs claim 500Wh/Kg? Sounds like hoax now.
Cheers mate
Trump was saying about EV's 😂
I invested several thousand dollars in solid state solar generator(s) with panels,cables,
the works.For a few hours it seemed to be the future,yea right.....fail.
Batteries only matter if surrounded by proper design and manufacturing.
None of this means shite with Chinese manufacturing with a shelf life of a nat.
I would pay much more for properly not made in China ,but there are no other choices.
My home grid is spitting fluctuating voltage,brown outs,surges here in California due to the massive amount of EV's being forced upon us,oh the irony of the green saviors.
I'll be out back of my garage burying more junk in my lithium land fill,screaming at the hot desert sun.
Lithium batteries are being recycled somewhat now, and they are working on ways to recycle 100% of them, with spent batteries being worth quite a lot of money. You might not want to bury the batteries too deep, LOL
Are these full of pfas chemical ? A deadly pollutant a forever chemical.....these battery packs are a environmental disaster
Who knows, but they don't *need* to have PFAs in them.
lols this solid state or graphene battery tech has been talk about for decades so until the real tech is actually on the market & is actually usable. so until then this vidro is just useless ralk
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