How Sableye Broke The Pokemon Card Game
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- čas přidán 31. 12. 2022
- The Pokemon Trading Card Game's history is rich with flavorful design, iconic characters from the franchise, and incredible stories about decks and cards. In today's episode of Should Have Been Banned, I review the legacy of Sableye from Stormfront.
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As a newbie I love this kind of historical content
Yes! Im a new player and this is so great :D Would not expect that card to make SUCH a great impact :D I even owned it as a kid but only collected back then
as someone who has never played it and don't intend to, I love this kind of historical content
Same.
Been playing magic since 98. Quit last year and got into Pokémon.
It’s weird but awesome not knowing everything about the game you play hahah. ❤
@@wurdofwizdumb1928 bro, if they have FFTCG in your area, definitely try it. It's Final Fantasy tcg, backed by square enix. It's super hard, makes MTG look like checkers to it's chess, decks get played differently and the decision trees are ridiculous. It's the hardest tcg I've ever played and you don't get mana screwed as often, 1/20 instead of 1/3, when you lose in this game you realize why and know things that could have been different. No more "oh well, that's how it goes." Seriously, insanely good. But few and far between in the states. So good luck I hope you get a chance to play this insane game
stop wasting your time on this, yugioh and magic are far superior
card games arent for children, so maybe do some growing up to kiddo
As somebody who was there at the Stormfront launch, I gotta say that that period was utterly wild. When Sableye started dominating everything, the sheer disbelief in the community was kind of shocking.
Expert Belt was also ridiculous big value for Sableye donk too. Both a HP and a damage buff works perfectly for him, saves you a crap ton of PokeTurns and SSUs on Crobats.
I’m shocked he didn’t bring up Expert Belt. That’s my first thought when Sableye is mentioned.
This format really was like yugioh lol. Loops, ftks, degenerate negates and hand traps (power spray). The goal being your opponent not playing. Maybe that's why it was easy for me to pick up lol.
Sable lock reminds me of the first tier 0 deck, yata lock
@@decepticonmaster7702 Yata Lock was never Tier zero.
What I find funny is that Sableye's "Overeager" here was later brought into the videogames, in the form of his Hidden Ability, Prankster - the gremlin can go first before everyone else, if he's going to use a status move (and I'd say "Impersonate" is a 'status' move, per se; doesn't do damage, but can buff you or debuff the opponent).
Weird how things turn out, huh? Indeed, Prankster itself turned out to be problematic, so it received its own nerf eventually so that it doesn't affect Dark-type targets (...such as Sableye himself) and a few Abilities outright block all priority moves, including Prankster status moves.
I remember hearing about the decision to switch to HGSS -BW so vividly. As a kid I couldn’t really afford new cards, and my machamp deck took me awhile to make competitive. When they rotated my whole deck out of nowhere, myself and many friends just stopped playing.
switching legal decks is just a normal part of TCG, and had been for a long time, so I really don't think it was "out of nowhere" ^^
@@VurrenAnimations No, it was an out of nowhere rotation. Midseason, not the normal rotation, as he stated in the video.
Overeager is definitely an ability that should have never been printed, but Impersonate, in isolation, can definitely be printed today. Give it a 1 cost energy requirement and a clause "You may use this attack if you go first" and its definitely a nice helper in decks that needs a lot of early set up.
I wouldnt want it in a format that has Judge or Marnie though, that would totally suck.
And now he’s moved on to break Pokémon unite
Not like it changes anything but Expert belt was in meta, leading to Sableye have 20 more damage easily reachable
Thank you for making this video. This is somewhat bittersweet to remember these times as that meta was my favorite of all time. And since it got rotated out of worlds, I performed way worse I assumed
It should have definetly be banned. That was one of the best games, not metas, I have ever played during that time. I wish the game was still as deep as it was back then
Can I ask why you didn't mention expert belt? It was really key to a lot of those donk strategies at the time. It was a tool that increased the HP, and Damage of the Pokemon it was attached to by 20 in exchange for giving up one extra prize card for those who don't know.
Because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol
That's like the most broken card ever geez.
@@kinglou1908 Of course, you know what you're talking about.
@@RGC_animation yea I played competitive back then and how do you not bring up expert belt talking about sable. Most basics have 60 hp. Putting a single expert belt on sableye let’s you auto kill most basics with a single dark energy turn one. Most know him as sableye, but I refer to him as sablebeast lol
@@kinglou1908 see here's the thing, even if he should have mentioned that you don't need to be an asshole about it lol. if you think he did such a bad job make your own video
yeah sableye definitely should have been banned. its like what happened with yatalocke in yugioh where you could lock your opponent out of playing the game. I think the rotating format is a way for them to avoid complete bans for the most part because yugiohs banlists are insane.
As someone who has never played the pokemon TCG, nor really know how it works, after giving Sableye even a cursory glance.
Oh so it's a start of game effect that guarantees you go first? That's probably pretty strong. Ooh and it can tutor something into the grave too? And not only that but activate whatever it fetches as well.
See already there even I could tell it's probably a bit broken. And that was before you told me the dang attack didn't even cost anything to use!
This video format is great! I hope we see more of it in the future.
I was literally just looking at this card yesterday, thinking of how crazy it was! I love sableye too haha
I'm almost 19 and just got into the pokemon tcg. I used to have a million and a half B&W and before era cards, but they were all sold in my middle school years. Seeing how old cards used to be insanely broken is super neat, and I'm excited to see how the game develops in the future
I remember going to the library every Saturday for the Pokemon group thing, where the games and cards were allowed. I was told there that you can’t use older cards, which was p much all I had, so I never got into the card game
Even better is in black and white it got prankster letting it go first with status moves, nice little nod to the tcg
Luxray, Sabeleye, Honchkrow, my favorite deck from back in the day. Swept almost every cities I played in with those SP variants, what a great era
another format that sableye was the unlimited format, David Hochman (an active unlimited player) says the format revolves around sableye and if you don't include 4 you will auto lose.
i can remember winning my first and only battle roads tournament in February. around the time the 4th HG/SS set was to be released/ legal for tournament play. (i think it was called call of legends). the tournament happened, despite the official pokemon announcing their rule change for the pokemon black and white expansion. however, black and white cards still hadn't even seen pre-releases yet, so the format was still using MD-on. I won the whole thing using HG Jumpluff!!!
I remember this card, and I loved it. I remember running 4x of it in a gyrados deck with no energy and often times I would be able to ‘dink’ and opponent and win turn 1. As a kid it felt like some true greatness haha, yeah retrospectively this card was broken
Sabelock still runs unlimited format to this day
I'm loving this type of content. Keep it coming!
I teched Sableye in my SF Tytanitar deck. It had incredibly strong early to midgame either with the Sableye donk or SW Weavile fetching Dark energies to develop a Larvitar. Both strategies supported by GE Claydol was pretty disgusting. That deck was probably the most fun I've ever had with a tcg.
A lot of good memories with that Tyranitar. One of my favorite Diamond & Pearl - Arceus decks I have built is Tyranitar!
After it's chaos in Pokemon Unite, Sableye has now broken the meta of two Pokemon spinoff games.
I loved Sabledonk hah. Also Seeker to force bench Pokémon back to the hand so even if they had more than one basic it didn’t matter. You then seekered up your own Uxie
Can you make a video about trainer cards from different eras you want to see reprinted in scarlet and violet sets?
I’d love that! I love discussions about reprints
i didnt know my favourite pokemon was this good in tcg, thats so cool
Sableye is one of my favorite pokemon.
The knowledge that in the card game he was overpowered and had 3 moves that ignore basic game rules makes me very happy.
Thank you for sharing this information with me.
Thank heavens this channel is finally beginning to take off!
More vids on past metas/cards like this please!
Very good video. I knew this existed back in the day but i started playing at stores right when it got rotated
Sableye is broken in UNITE...
Mega Sableye is banned to Ubers in Gen 6...
Prankster(Sableye's HA) is excellent in VGC...
And this...
Are there any more places that Sableye is OP?
This card ended the best regional run I ever had with the best anti-meta deck I ever built.
RIP Magnezone/Machamp. 2 unown Q solo starts was the end of your run.
Sableye is such a troll. Being the first pokemon with no weaknesses (until fairy type was introduced) then ruining tgc and now currently ruining pokemon unite. Can't wait to see where this ghost goblin goes next lmao
I have a sable eye card i pulled years ago and in the back it had a special championships 2010 logo instead of a blue one
What happen if both the player have a sableye in the active spot at the beginning of the match?
Then the coin flip happens as it would normally as to decide who goes first.
I still have my dark deck that features this card. Using honchkrow lv X and Darkrai lv X
Great video!
With a card like this, if it ruled the whole format with disgusting 1th turns wins and excessive control and lock down i would not have spend a dime on any products.
And would have waited for a more healthy and fun format, to me atleast notting is more boring then to lose without even getting a chance to fight back.
I can't wait for more pokemon card history ^^
Take a shot every time Celio says Crobat.
I was there when Stormfront and SP cards reigned supreme. I could barely afford any cards and had to scramble together random decks and hope for good times. I was very much the same in that weird HGSS on format that I never particularly liked.
The card almost singlehandedly saw us host Australian Nationals in MD-CoL format rather than the MD-BW format that a few Battle Roads used. I think today they would just have banned Sableye, but even then, those SP decks were so powerful with the Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums that the format I suggested (Rising Rivals on-) that something drastic had to really give.
Good memories of this deck though. I teched it into a Dusknoir/Honchkrow deck if I recall.
As someone who plays Magic, this video was very entertaining and informative, great video.
The mid season rotation hit me hard. I was grinding hard and was ready for nationals. Then the rug was taken from under me. Suffice it to say I'm on the fence about this decision. ( I wasn't playing a sabeleye deck at the time but adapted to the new pace of the game.)
This is coincidentally my last metagame deck I ever built while I still played competitively, when the B&W rules changed it was such a broken deck haha.. I was using Shuppet in this deck too before it got phased out, that one was also so fun for donking
Still have my one and only overeager Sableye double-sleeved.
Managed to score a lucky first turn win In the 2010 norwegian nationals as I started with Sableye :D
It was one of the only cards that I had added to my store-bought Tyranitar deck. Was my 2nd (and last win) of that tournament.
My opponent had a Gastly active, and decided to keep Uxie on hand for card draw.
He even won the initial coinflip and was understandably pretty upset.
I later heard that my opponent had been disqualified when he forgot poison damage
while playing his next opponent
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE REMEMBERS THIS
"well, that sounds pretty bad, but surely interactions like this must have led to the modern rule where the first turn player doesn't get to attack as well as being banned from supporters."
*Rules update now allows the first turn player to play supporters in addition to attacking*
"...huh???"
I just beat the TCG video game for Gameboy Color on the 3DS virtual console, and I loved it. From my admittedly very fresh, noob perspective, this strategy relies on you drawing 3 Crowbat within that first turn. It doesn't seem super likely, and I can't imagine there was zero counterplay.
Awesome video, though. I really wish some of these generations of the game were immortalized in video game format just like Gen 1's was. I wanna get into this game so bad but don't wanna go through the hassle of buying a collection or analyzing the current meta.
*Card releases that doesn’t let the opponent play the game
Pokémon: on no
You gi oh: just another day
You didn't even mention how it single handedly ended Pokemon's only other (at the time) format, vintage. Since all cards were legal, Sabledonk was tier zero and everybody stopped playing the format.
I enjoyed a lot of the cards in Stormfront and came up with some fun Tier 2 decks like SF Drifblim setting up a Strange Spin Bronzong engine, but I didn't win often at locals because I didn't have the money for staples like rare candies, uxie, and claydol and couldn't have fun because of Sableye
Lol
Sableock is my favorite competitive deck of all time.
You're like a combination of my to favorite Yugi-Tubers: DuelLogs and MegaCapitalG. Amazing info about what the card does and why it should have been banned and also showing decklist and TCG Performance.
TBH I thought you were going to talk about the Junk Hunt Sableye but this is 100x WORSE. 😨
More videos like this please!!!
Can we just take a reminder how cracked those Structure Decks were in Stormfront? Machamp, Sabely....Gyarados was a menace. I cant remember how much my Uncle stomped me with Machamp.
I was active in low-ranking events throughout Maryland and Virginia from original Diamond and Pearl to Plasma Freeze, and I think I only encountered this strategy once. I was kinda average I think, winning around half my games (until my last few events when I stopped winning entirely) so I presumably wasn't playing against a lot of super amazing decks in later rounds, but that still feels weird.
i remember having one of these.
What if both players had Sableye
I guess it comes down to a coin flip as normal?
0:00 me being inexpirance in the history of the TCG, seeing the title stating that there was a Sableye card that should of been banned, and me being a person who's favorite pokemon is Sableye, just makes me weirdly happy :). it's like hearing that your favorite Yugiyo card that most people don't care too much about got a retrain that makes it OP or something idk
I am just now realizing Pokemon card game is far, far more complicated than I ever imagined
You forgot to mention Expert Belt.
I actually used to have two copies of this card when I was a kid. But, sadly, I haven't played in YEARS and had gotten rid of my collection save for one of the annual world championship sets I got as a Christmas gift cause of the cool box and card sleeves it came with. So chances are, I don't have this one anymore lol
Sableye exists:
Tcg players: sigh here we go again
and thats why its my favorite card and pokemon, sabledonk will always be goated in my heart
I love sableye, what a crazy little guy
If using today's ruleset...
There would be a shot to get rid of it but just one.
Being able to use two supports a turn would be scary as Lt. Surge but just as evil.
The other move can stay but make it work only on rule box Pokémon.
One of the first cards I ever owned!
I’m a Yu-Gi-Oh player. I don’t play Pokémon. But this was an awesome video and I would definitely watch more.
I like how Sableye broke the TCG while in Pokemon Unite, he's absolute cancer as well.
Sableye has always been my favorite :)
aw man, I have that card somewhere in a box. I had no idea it was so good...
Watching this i just realised how many cards i have from the dpp/hgss era. Might need to dust my old collection off
I used to play pokemon cards with a small group of not-so-serious players. Had a few of these in my darkrai level x deck. I used them for the cheap set up. Good times.
The only knowledge I have about pokemon cards is as a collector, but this video was still really entertaining
Very nice to hear that. Thank you for watching!
I played during that time and i have so many sableyes
Nice theduelogs format ^^
Bro I literally had this card and the machamp card and never knew how good they were. Wish I could find my old cards
The "Make it illegal to win on the first turn" mindset is interesting to me and I wonder how that would actually be implemented. I imagine the rule would look like "Attempting to win before your opponent can play will result in disqualification for reason of unsporting behavior." But really, what the rules should strive for is a game environment where lock-outs and turn one wins are impossible by the very nature of the game. You want interplay, you want a back and forth. Preventing too much action on turn one is one solution, but ultimately some cards are just bad ideas from a gameplay perspective and have to be banned. I like when they push the boundaries and print some crazy shit, they just have to recognize when they've gone too far.
Wow sableye breaking unites meta it didn’t know it already broke the meta
This is why I couldn’t play Regigigas during worlds in 2011. I’m still salty as fuck.
Pokémon UNITE 🤝 Pokémon TGC
Having Sableye problems
Gen 6 Smogon Singles:
what the he-..I have that card from my very old set as a kid. Didnt know its dark potential. I always thought of it as weird since it said lvl.31
aw man this brings back some great memories
Truly the glory days of pokemon cards 🔥
This era of Pokemon was awesome
So happy to hear sableye got to shine somewhere lol
I can think of a current Sableye I wanna ban, too.
I own that card and always thought “damn that’s broken” every time I looked at it, but I never really cared about the tournaments and didn’t know that it was legitimately game breaking.
Sabley needs more love. ❤
I like how the algorithm thinks I want to watch PTCG just because I watch MTG videos. Well, CZcams, you're right but only because the "broke the game" part intrigued me as a fellow trading card player.
As someone who never played the tgc, I don't think so because sableye is my favorite. I'm here for all forms of sableye dominance
Can someone tell me why you win the game if you knock out the opponent’s Pokémon during the first turn? It was my assumption that you can also play benched Pokémon in addition to your active Pokémon, and then you would not lose to your active Pokémon being knocked out, right?
Yata-Lock: Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
I never played TCG but I had that Sableye card in my collection
I’m probably wrong but is there a Pokémon currently in the format that has the attack like impersonate?
The legacy of Sableye permeates all Pokémon media
Potentially unpopular opinion from someone who doesn’t play competitive Pokémon TCG: While Sableye and the decks that it spawned were a little too pushed for the rest of the meta to handle, I think it’s cool that Sableye created new archetypes (control/lockout, FTK, etc) that were otherwise more of a rarity within the game.
With that said, though, it shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone how cracked the card would be.
1. Nearly guaranteeing yourself to go first in a game where the tempo advantage of going first makes a huge difference
2. Undermining one of the fundamental drawbacks of the game by getting to essentially play a supporter on turn 1
3. Having the option to tutor for and play a second supporter each turn without committing any resources to Sableye
4. Incidentally also having an attack that could cheese out turn 1 knockouts
Like I’m honestly surprised that it made it to print in this game
If losing on the first turn was a thing why didn’t players start the game with at least 1 benched Pokémon?
pls more videos like this
I remember using this badboy to beat my brother on the first turn. Good times.