How One Card SAVED The Game
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- čas přidán 28. 02. 2023
- The Pokemon Trading Card Game's history is rich with flavorful design, iconic characters from the franchise, and incredible stories about decks and cards. In today's video I highlight Garbodor from Guardians Rising and its impact on the standard format in 2017. Today we'll answer the question: Can a broken card save a game?
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I hope they reprint a card like this for our current standard format! Long live the stage 1 single prize attacker
There is no a single good stage 1 single prize attackers in this meta. We need anti v star cards. Thats what we need
@@brunoreis4455 miltank die by mew, and giratina and many other strategies. Feelsbadman
@@Jaared-xu4tx i said stage 1
@@derekjeter3654 Zoroark box it's a pretty good deck
Weezing just got 2nd at one of the recent regionals
Sun Moon base to lost thunder was my favorite format
These history of the TCG are really great. Especially for someone that wasn't around in the TCG back then.
I was. It was the best era ever.
@@derekjeter3654 long live night march, one of the best and most fun decks in any tcg
Seems like a very fair card. It seemed broken because it really only punished decks that are very greedy with items. And with the meta at the time being filled with decks that are reliant on are heavy with items, its no wonder.
Right. It’s just an Anti Meta card, and the fact that people adapted to it so quickly really shows that it wasn’t broken at all.
I think garb was really cool and it was fun to play against bc usually you can just play out your whole hand in Pokémon without really thinking about it but playing against garb makes you play hands completely differently.
Totally agree. Gameplay was so fun and interesting!
I think nowadays, broken means 'meta-defining' since very often you'll see something that is 'broken' go completely unplayed, but its existence in the game forces players to prepare for it in case they run into it, regardless of if anyone is actually playing it or not.
Garbodour was actually the card that made me quit the game back then since I vastly prefer fast paced aggressive decks. Or rather fast games in general. But I was also just a casual player that enjoyed his silly little volcanion online deck
Garbodor was fantastic cause it made you rethink how to deck build and/or how many items to play in a game
Back then this game was very exciting
@@derekjeter3654 I’ve found it to be wonderfully exciting as a relatively new returning player, provided you don’t play anything meta- I’ve ended up building a Charizard evolution deck that slowly builds momentum until a single 1-Prize card can wipe V’s off the map, without being unfair, as it requires a lot of set-up and clever play to get the deck into position. There is nothing more satisfying than bringing down someone spamming overused V’s, VMax’s and VStars, with just a somewhat-strong Charizard you can find in the old deck store and a bit of ingenuity.
On top of that, I also found a Blastoise from a few years back in a similar prefabricated deck, that can search the top cards of your deck for basic water energy and attach them to itself or others, as long as you can get a Blastoise safely onto the field, which can be a dangerous gambit- and the original deck only pairs it up with a Golduck, so it’s not that strong.
But I found a small, 30-hp Wishwashi card that gains +150hp if it has three or more energy on it, and has an attack that does thirty more damage for each basic water energy, without a cap…
So if you can fend off V’s, GX’s and VStars long enough, you can start building a monstrous Wishiwashi snowball with V-level HP and anywhere from 60 to over 400 damage.
There are very few things more exciting or satisfying in the game than bringing out a small fish that can nuke almost every card in the game, if you can buy it and it’s turtle support a few turns of set-up
If you’re creative and malicious enough, you can still create some absolutely hilarious and surprisingly resilient decks specifically against the stagnant meta…
Unless you run into Arceus, Dialga and Palkia.
Then you’re just dead, because you can’t outrun power creep forever.
As a collector I owned many of the cards you covered, it’s amazing to learn this whole history of them I never knew. It’s got me interested in the game itself. Keep up the fantastic work.
Thanks so much. I’m glad I could share this side of the cards with you!
That was me with the Espy Garb in Madison, WI. It was a broken play for the weekend, since Espeon sets up for just a Psychic energy attachment, getting around the other Garb’s in the room. My full report is on Charizard Lounge :)
Garb was exactly what we needed at the time.
In Taiwanese format, where the rotation started in Sun & Moon base set onwards, Buzzwole-Garbodor became the decks to beat when the third set released, causing the meta to shift from Vikavolt-Tapu Bulu and Zoroark piles to Malamar piles.
I wasn't playing at the time and at a first glance Garbodor seems to be too busted, since items are usually the best searching / utility cards, but the effect it had to slow the game down from years of big basics + explosive turns is amazing. Early sun & moon must've been a fantastic time to be playing the pokémon TCG.
Yeah it was great time. Too bad it didnt stay that way the whole sun and moon block.
No, pokemon search were only ultra ball and level ball nothing compared to now so thats why we had so many variations. Having so many mon search is one of the reason the game becomes so bland
@@derekjeter3654 we also had nest ball and alolan vulpix. It wasn't like we were starving for pokemon searching.
@@lkmdude8094 I was referring to 2016 format
@@derekjeter3654 ah, okay. I assumed you were talking about the 2016/17 format that this video focuses on.
I would like to see you talk about the "other" Garbador card; the one that 'when tool is attached, there are no abilities '. That thing was insane (as a Greninja Break player).
Vids about the game itself are so much more interesting than just collecting cards and following prices. Thank you for such interesting content. More people should actually play!
This was a great video. I started to play TCG at exactly that time and was shocked how a single card changed "everything" I've learned about this game about two weeks earlier.
Great Video with a lot of nostalgia.
The Devs really said, "You want counterplay?! YOU'LL GET COUNTERPLAY!!"
The best part about a card like this garb, was that it wasn't a floodgate. Just a counter to a playstyle. I think it is much healthier than cards like vileplume.
Love the history videos. Old formats are so nostalgic
If I had to guess about the circumstances of Garbodor's arrival, I'd peg it to be the latter, as The Pokémon Company wants to push their rare, powerful 200+ HP Basic EX/GX/V beatsticks with Nuclear effects to be the face of the meta to get casual fans to spend big money to find those ultra rare cards; and a standard 3-stager evolution Mon would be tantamount to that.
My lack of Rulebox cards made me despise them
Thank you Garbodor for keeping them from going haywire when you could
Very intersting video! It's incredible hearing how much meta-gaming and thought provotion went into the deck building in the previous era's of the game. I commented on a more recent video fo yours about being very new into the TCG scene. I have joined in a place where Lugia VStar is dominant, and Mew VMax and Lost box stray ever so slightly behind. It is interesting seeing 5 to even 10 deck archtypes hitting the top 16 across your videos.
The metagame currently seems a little stagnant and I hope Creatures do more useful innovations like this to improve the metas moving forward. Although I understand I have joined at an awkward time. There has not been many cards released from the transition periods of S&W to S&V, I hope to be a part of the pokemon TCG journey that will see new innovative tech win a worlds whilst the rest of the world is wondering how!
trashalanche certainly changed things at a locals level. I played vespiquen. Even just on turn 1 you were definitely using more than 5 items.
Once burning shadows came out I had a modified version of a darkintegral deck that primarily used tapu koko with aether paradise along with acerola to deny prizes. It lost most games against Gardevoir, but ate golisogarb for breakfast.
Absolutely love these TCG videos bro, just like the recent vgc videos doing well with the algorithm, I can practically guarantee you’ll blow up if you keep these up. Great format too.
Finally. Good game design. Thankyou for sharing this.
I took a break from the Pokémon TCG slightly after the X-ball Mewtwo Ex / mega evolution Ex era
This is a great video man, good work.
I think big basic metas are pretty great to be honest. I've never understood the pushback. Everyone agrees mewtwo wars were bad but I think that's becuase there weren't enoigh big basics (mewtwo was by far the best)
2017 was an extremely shitty year for me. But honestly, the S&M era of the TCG, especially Guardians Rising, was one of my favorite TCG eras to live through period.
This was a great era of pokemon. The game was fast and decks changed consistently. Weve seen the same decks for 3 years now. I can not explain how bad of place pokemon is in right now compared to this era.
This and Seismitoad EX need to return to punish Lost Zone decks
Another TCG history masterpiece👏
I have found memories of pod/garb :) such a fun deck
I made my first top 8 ever at a league cup with an Espeon/Garb deck, good times.
I think the real issue with this format was the existence of a none once per turn Shaymin EX
I got a Golisapod GX deck that my uncle made for me back in about 2017-2018 time, and it has 2 garbodor cards, but I haven't checked it, so I have to say that I believe that this exact garbodor card was one of 2 of them, but I dont remember the exact 2 diffrent types of Garbodor I got, but I believe all Trubish are the same.
Edit: 7:59 has the showcase of what I believe the 2 Garbodor could have been, and the Trubish is the same one I remember in the deck
amazing content as always!
What constitutes a "broken" card is an interesting question. I don't think I'd call Garbodor broken, but I don't think I'd fault someone who did.
I'd compare it to Maxx "C" in Yu-Gi-Oh, a card that also punishes the opponent for playing too aggressively. It was fine on release, but by today's standards, it's a format-warping staple. Maybe it's broken?
I don't think Garbodor was "broken" in its metagame, but one could call its profound impact on deckbuilding as "metagame-warping." Is that necessarily broken? Maybe not, as adjusting deck builds for the metagame is an axis of skill expression... but that happening doesn't equate to a healthy format; it'll happen in "healthy" and "unhealthy" formats alike.
On another note, it's impressive that Garbodor's had such an solid run of competitively relevant cards. Being a Garbodor fan who also plays the TCG sounds like a pretty good time.
Let’s gooooo, another Celio’s upload!
Despite all this was my favorite tcg era.
I have so many memories of me and the boys playing
We need the story of diego cassiraga and how an argentinian player won world championship
As a player, this card made you really think about using a card other than just to thin ur deck. Also the only card ive ever made significant placement with past the local level. I owe my life to garbodor.
great video
Garbodor is a true chad
Garbodor coming out when it did was meta changing but then it fell off after the Seattle Regional in 2017
Where did that Yveltal Garb list come from with Center Lady and Team Flare Grunt?
This was my favorite Era to play in.
I got into the game around the time sun and moon rotated in. Garb was hot and poppin and I’ve used in various decks. Buzz garb shrine forever!!!!!!
that weird era where we were trying out stuff like dragonair to accelerate energy because of how scared we were of trashalanche garb
I despised Garbodor no matter what card version it was. Both Trashalance and Garbotoxin's were pretty toxic imo. Especially during the period when Startling Megaphone was rotated out of standard and there was no reliable way to remove items until Field Blower was printed.
This is just a bit of salt coming from a loyal Greninja player/fan, but it kind of felt like Trashalance indirectly gatekept a lot of other evolution decks that weren't Mega focused, although Stage 2 one-prizers were notable very lackluster during the XY-early SuMo era.
Would you or have you done a video about the 2016 worlds & NAIC? I know Enrique A (wailord stall) and Cody W (greninja blitz), and I'd love to hear more about them as players.
yup, if they ever decide to trash Lost Zone to oblivion, just make a basic attacker scaling up with the opponent's LZ count :)
honestly we need a card like that again
Espeon garbodor is my all timw favorite deck guardian raising format was such a good format to play
Hell yeah
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I'd definitely say that garbador wasnt a fun card overall but this is definitely an interesting video
Banger
This was the format I played in when I play competitively. The black and white, x and y era was my favourite era to play in. Still miss it
THATS CRAZY BC I PLAYED GARBODOR AND DRAMPA
"Zoroark and Vespiqueen single prize decks only have single prize decks so garbodor does very little to them"
Shaymin and Lele: are we a joke to you?
Garbodor was such a nice card
I agree! The designers created fun and in-depth formats in 2017-2019 and we could always get that again with scarlet and violet. At least I hope so
@@CeliosNetwork Yeah, I hope the Same
nyeee I would belive it was not a coincidence, someone made that to balance the game, like for all the existing Pokemon, why Garbodor.
A card that literally is at the mercy of your opponent's actions... and people called it too strong? Didn't realize the pokemon tcg players were that dumb.
started playing properly at the dawn of the sun and moon era. Oh the nostalgia.
Garbotoxin mirror matches were incredibly boring to watch as a spectator I'll be real
So nostalgic❤
Also miss the tcgo big time
This was when I was playing and it was just the anti-meta deck. If you know the meta than you will benefit with it. But if you were against like jank decks then it wasn't that good.
Ah Mewtwo EX wars, i liked HGSS-NV Format before that nonsense happened
imagine requiring skill to play the game...
Standard before scarlet and violet
Field Blower in Decidueye monkaS
So basically, the tcg was saved from being trash by trash
Gaaaaar----buuuhhhhh--doooooorrrrrrrrrr
ok im sorry but... Gar-Ba-Door
It’s actually not. I’ve said Garb A Door for as long as I can remember and I had to break the habit specifically for this video
@@CeliosNetworkhuh, for as long as I’ve played I remember it being pronounced as I said, I’m not trying to be rude, but could I see the proof?
czcams.com/video/1hNq3Dtdkvk/video.html
@@CeliosNetwork proof accepted thanks
Nowadays it just feels like "play Lugia Vstar and win"
So true
And then Gardevoir GX made the game toxic again...
Not even close. The game was skillful and diverse until Sword & Shield Base set
Sword and shield was just like a smelly fart
Chad Garbage
I will never watch any of your videos ever again due to the massive & unnecessary anime spoilers. Why??