Why France is Annoyed with Germany (Again)
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On Monday, Macron caused quite a stir when he apparently suggested deploying Western troops against Russia. These comments didn't go down well with Germany's Scholz, so, in this video, we take a look at Franco-German relationship, and how this falling out might change the balance of power within Europe.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:59 - Ukraine
03:15 - Debt Sharing
04:42 - Domestic Industry and Protectionism
05:47 - How Does This Affect Europe?
06:30 - Sponsored Content
Ah. Germany and France being annoyed at each other. The Great European tradition!
Same with the french and the english, germans and austrians, grrmans and spanish, french and the spanish, germans and poles, poles and latvians, germans and latvians... and so on, yet we work together
@@user-sc8ot4lm1gIt's one of the primary meanings of "United in Diversity" after all.
@@user-sc8ot4lm1gWhile that is true, the German- French relationship is the most important one so seeing these two openly at odds with each other is not a good sign
@@robsch21 NGL french and German have been more and more friend but also more and more disagreeing it's no big deal it's manly the head of state who don't agree exactly.
@@robsch21 Oh it is a good sign. It shows that our democracy still works and even if opinions differ, we manage to come to solutions without major escalations. But just to be clear, as a German citizen, I wholeheartedly agree with Macron. Macron is currently showing Russia, and most of Europe how it should be done, also in regards to putins backyard, where France was the only country to step up defence commitments to replace the Russian Military in the South Caucasus. Basically challenge Russia in every way, shape or form to apply maximum pressure.
Trust me when I say Scholz is 100% just sitting and waiting for the next elections, where his party will very likely lose in a landslide. Once we get a real Chancellor, those relations will return to their normal state.
Scholz is like your younger sibling telling one of your secrets to the family while you're trying to subtly kick them to tell them to shut up.
fun fact, the secred was no secret, as everybody knew it from the start, including russia.
Macron was talking shit and talking out of line.
Macron is like your younger sibling, that knows that he has not done his chores and starts to blame its older siblings wich have done them. (look at delivered french and german aid from 2022-2024, france is not doing shit here)
To be fair even the Polish and baltic leaders denied Macron's comments. France needs to better communicate their strategy.
Aside from that France might make the german gov parties loose some upcoming elections with those comments.
Sending direct troops to russia is a terrible idea. Where do you want to stop and draw a red line finally?
Bombing minor important russian cities?
"As long as it is not moscow"
This idiot puts human extinction at risk and lets the probability go up by a few percent at this point
Niemcy jak dziecko które mówi policjantowi podczas kontroli drogowej że tata przed chwilą wyprzedzał tam gdzie nie wolno..
@@sblbb929żeby chcieć trzeba mieć. Polska teraz się przezbraja. Za parę lat będziemy gotowi, by pomóc Litwie ,Estonia ,Łotwie czy innym krajom w ramach pomocy sojuszniczej. Teraz nie. Ale pomagać zbrojąc ukraine, tak ,jak najbardziej.
Macron: "I'm gonna use Strategic Ambiguity so that Russia doesn't know what we may or may not do."
Scholz: "WE WILL ABSOLUTELY NEVER DO THAT."
Putin: "Heard you loud and clear, Germany, thank you."
No it was clearly communicated from the start that there wont be NATO forces fighting in ukraine.
That was not strategic ambiguety, it was plain retarded
Based Scholz, curbstomping the wild and untempered ambitions of Macron. The more I see the foreign affairs antics of Scholz, the more I like the guy. It's a shame he has such a terrible Ampel coalition greenparty demagogue following. Him in Isolation would be amazing.
@@Mayhzon Ambitions? What ambitions, not letting Putin stomp on all of Europe for free? Wow, what "Wild and untempered ambitions" lmao... Scholz is astoundingly bad at geopolitics.
1. Scholz is a spineless twat.
2. the worst part of the Ampel coalition is the FDP.
So macron only makes hollow noise. You think putin needed scholz to know that!😂
This is a dilemma for democracy: you should be transparent for your taxpayers, but you should not be transparent for your enemy. I would say Europe is too transparent in it's military operations. Enemy will allways know how many tanks do you have and where and when planned maintenance were held on them. This is too much to reveil
This is why democracy is such an inherent illusion. Yea, it protects our right. Yeah, it makes sure police officers can’t break into our homes and break our fingers, but inherently the military is never gonna open up to a free media, which is why democracy and militarism doesn’t funk well. There are things the West’s military never admits to.
It is not a dilemma for democracy. It is European complacency in its prime.
For 80 years Europeans have lived in the state of uninterrupted peace and have lost touch with reality as a result: EU has been making big bucks while letting USA pay for its security.
Sorry, it simply doesn't work that way.
Very untrue an american centric@@AlexP-mi2bc
The problem seems to be that Germany doesn't learn. She, along with France in 2014 vetoed accession of Ukraine to NATO citing Russia's "security concerns", which paved the way to Russia's invasion in the same year. Then, it barely reacted after that, trying to further incorporate Russia's economy into the EU with pipelines for example, hoping it would deter Putin from escalating for fear of hurting his country's economy through sanctions. Once again, it failed, and here we are right now.
Germany seems so afraid of her own past, she'd rather live in carebears land and hope that if she's nice, people are gonna be nice back, forgetting that dictators only see niceness as weakness to be exploited. Stalin was like that, and I see no indication that Putin is any different. Back in the day, Germany had a leader the likes of Putin so she, more than anyone, should understand how to treat with such people.
@@AlexP-mi2bcNonsense. In no way do the USA pay for the EU's security. In fact, considering the amount of hardware Europeans buy from the USA, I'd argue the opposite is true.
Macron is sitting at a poker table bluffing his way and almost making his opponent fold, when suddenly all the idiots around him start yelling "what are you doing?! Your cards suck ass!"
Putin folding? I wont believe that. I understand that the game should be played. But in thise case the bluff does not mean much. It could even backfire for the ukrainians.
@@FilipChilyan yeah that's the limit of my analogy, but it could have made him doubt and hesitate a bit at least
@@FilipChilyan yea putin isn't folding because of a vague threat from France
Macrons comment was idiotic. You can’t bluff after your hand has already been revealed. What will be excuse for entering the war 2 years later instead of when it started? Putin can properly bluff back to this failed bluff by saying they will use nukes. Not one other major power will support Macrons foolishness
I dont think you actually listened to what Macron said. @@BoxStudioExecutive
Yesterday's episode was about a united European army, and people were wondering why not have a European army. Well, today's episode just answered that question.
Agreed
The only reason Europe has no army is that every country that has been under soviet control are too afraid of Russia and prefer give their souverainty to the USA than taking any risk of being invaded
But we are calmly arriving to the point where the USA are as embarassing as Russia
As of now, I think you’re right. It’s a promising idea, but can’t really exist without the EU becoming a more solid political entity in its own right. You need a central command for an army to work properly, and the EU is still a collection of states more than anything.
The only thing that could conceivably push a bunch of free states toward giving up sovereignty for unity would be another, greater threat to that sovereignty. Though Europeans sympathize with Ukraine, I sadly don’t think the war could get the ball over the line. Something like an invasion of the Baltics might, though.
The EU is an abject failure, overall. If only more people realized that..
True
Showing your cards to the enemy is idiotic.
Almost all leaders of EU are idiots. They agan decited defeat russia instead of diplomacy.
No, it must simply be clear and said loud that no one will be dying for this corrupt country with n**i as their national heroes.
No, it must simply be clear and said loud that no one will be dying for this country. Ukraine must be told that one day too, so that they would finally stop with these silly things, like painting Crimea on the maps as under Ukrainian control.
@@kacperzimowski4626shoo Russian shill
I'm sure that if the Kremlin wanted to know, they would. So whatever they tell on a press conference or on that service formerly known as twitter is a statement designed for some audience. Not because its comprehensive or true.
German foreign and (geo)economic policy have been the most frustrating failures within the EU. Past performance is not always an indicator of future results, but Germany has consistently been taking the wrong decisions for so long now that I simply believe their politicians are grossly incompetent when it comes to understanding geopolitics.
Germany's previous arrangement of them and Europe as a whole getting much of it's energy supplies, together with other economic and geopolitical factors meant that Germany was guaranteed the spot of largest economy in Europe. It was very successful in that regard and it's very politically unpalatable to change direction.
Reddit moment
As a german it is so frustrating. Key industries are allowed to be sold off (like the robotics company kuka), but instead we have protectism and subsidies for big companies with obsolete business models (like ICE car industry or coal industry). There is zero plan for anything anymore, the main focus seems to be to survive another fiscal period by squeezing ever more tightly the tax payers.
well.... france may open its pie hole when it contributes an comparable share of aid.
Germany currently provides 10 times more aid to ukraine than france. and 32 times more military aid in goods (ammunition, equipment, tanks etc)
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Figures taken from what source please?
And do you count condoms as military aid?
The European Union needs to build a strong defence capacity and be united.
especially since our big buddy america is way too unrealiable of an ally , even more so if the republicans win the next election
with a decent ruling, that could work. but 100% not with the EU establishment we currently have
Agreed but the issue with that is the Nato question. EU member states aren't budging for themselves or Nato let alone an additional military alliance. In order to get an EU army you'd need to leave NATO to have enough troops and funding.
@@1ProAssassin Think it would be best to leave NATO and create a european force. I fear anything else as unstable
USA would never let European nations leave NATO. America has too much to lose.
Mr. Macron never said we must send troops in Ukraine. He said that sending troops isn’t anymore out of the question. Huge difference.
It was never acceptable and is out of the question entirely. Even if all of Ukraine would fall.
@@MetallicReg russian bot getting scared
@@ZOmbIEkiller583 he's shitting himself
@@ZOmbIEkiller583 That's a tripple no from a two part statement. Not a bot, not Russian, and fear wouldn't even come close to describing my current position.
@@MetallicReg then why would you say that? Maybe you are american... forgot about you guys
Am really liking the switch up in hosts keeps it fresh
I agree the cast is great
Let's be real. Tldr primarily has a male audience and female hosts are not welcome. Yes, we're not as narrow-minded as righties on GB News. But it must be acknowledged that TLDR was created by young white male millenials, FOR young white male millenials.
She really is great… 😅
who is she
Are you? I don't know. You tell me.
Dumb basses… Macron is absolutely right on this. They really just publicly ruled it out in response? Even if it is true they wouldn’t send troops they should maintain the image that they may very well do so to keep Putin guessing. This is ridiculous.
Germans are heavily against sending own troops. Thats why he said it. There would be protests against him if he didnt rule it out.
The EU must seek peace with Russia and stop fighting proxy wars for the United States. Russia has repeatedly warned that the NATO expanding directly to Russian borders is a red line not to cross. That was also a condition to return the GDR to Germany in 1989/90. Now don't act surprised that Russia defends their red lines. Imagine what the US would do if Russia united with Canada or Mexico.
Keeping their own electorate guessing would sadly be political suicide in many of these countries. They are not presidential democracies where the populace more or less put their trust in a single supreme commander of the forces during elections. Also at least in Germany, while supporting Ukraine is still popular, it is only moderately so.
We can't bow down to Putin every single time, it's about time before Europe slaps him back to reality.
Scholz is just the symbol of German complacency and is trying to force that on all Europeans
France and Germany fighting in 2024: 🗣️🤬😢
France and Germany fighting in 1910: 🗿🗿🗿
Did you forget just like ignored ww2, wow! I've seen it all now, well Germany has the better army so you know, this time they might actually keep France due to England's tensions with Europe I don't see them interfering.
Germany couldn't even invade Lichtenstein atm. Not sure about which army you are talking about,but the German one is more than naked atm. If I remember right they had ammunition for 3 or 7 days.
More like 👍🏼👎🏼👈🏻👉🏻👇🏻☝🏻
@@benfischer6303 Hey... We have ammo for like, 2 full days or so. More than enough to invade, I dunno... Iceland. (Iceland still don´t have an army, do they?)
@@Mightydoggo Germany is too busy sunsetting itself and becoming Turkey 2.0
Germany is too cautious. They don't want any level of progress and change. They want to be comfortable, which is not a good strategy in the current world situation. They are going to lose if they continue in this way. They are already weak, and they grow weaker by the day. Even the France, that was always striving to be a more neutral state, takes more defined position than Germany
Its worst than that, it was German dependence on Russian hydro-carbons that was one of the catalysts for the invasion in the first place.
@@TheReferrer72 I don't really see that connection. I can see how Russia would think that Germany would be reluctant to strongly react to the invasion, but I don't see any reason why that dependence would be a catalyst
germany delivers 32 times more military aid to ukraine than france and close to double the aid the UK delivers. so much for too cautious
Instead German ministers are more busy suing some random film Festival because it criticized Israel. Germany and its generational guilt is now becoming a real disadvantage now Europe needs a strong and assertive Germany the most.
Who considers France of trying to be neutral completly ignores what they are doing right now in the world and what they did in the past.
What exactly is germany going to loose here, by staying "neutral"? The political influence isnt decreasing, no lost lands, but germany is loosing a lot of money and military capabilities, because it didnt stay neutral. If germany follows france and puts boots on the ground, what would be there to gain? The 2+4 treaty restricts germany from getting the lost lands like Königsberg back + limits the size of the german army, which is a great show of trust towards germany btw..
Not always a fan of Macron but he is absolutely in the right.
It's insane how we always lay our cards on the table for Putin to see.
He is far left, not right. He comes with crazy idea and wants other to pay for it. This is called communism and will only provoke more **exits.
The dilemma of democracy
And a shame how the West has seemingly cowered before Putin's mafia state. Especially disheartening to see given the brave and heroic resistance Ukraine has been putting up. If we as the West refuse to give them what they need, it will be our own young men and women in the fight sooner or later. It's almost as if no one learned the lessons of World War II.
What this title wants us to believe: French and German people at each others throats
What is actually happening: Bunch of politicians on both sides have a disagreement with each other
Thumbs up so this can get to the top.
Belgium and Britain: oh no, not again guys , please!
Macron wants to finish what Napoleon started.
Die in the cold ?
It's Alsace Lorraine, isn't it
Oh fuck give it back to Germany, that place is awful and too hostile for your average human being, the autochtones are corsicaning at a worrisome speed!
LOL no, we don't want it back.
@@gunwu9084 I do.
@@hopfinatorischerkuchenkrieger BS, stop it.
@@gunwu9084 No. The people in said territory should have been allowed to vote if they wanted to remain with Germany or France. It worked with Denmark and Schleswig-Holstein, so why didn't they do it? There were plenty of opportunities after both WW1 and WW2.
Our chancellor is an embarrassment. I'm with Macron and Lt Gen Hodges on this issue: Better to face the task at head with open eyes...
Yes, at Munich 1938, Chamberlain forced Daladier to follow him by closing eyes and putting hands on ears... everyone knows what happened after. Putin was an autocrate which was emprisonning his strongest opponents, but he has turned dictator, and kill everyone which are now opposing to him or even the one which is looking him "suspectly". I still hope russian people will wake up and put him down, but it's so long time I wait, I'm fearing it will never arrived till his death, for sure.
This presenter did an excellent job at presenting the information in a clear and informative manner, without any apparent bias. Good Job.
As a hardliner on democratic principles, I envy the French on their foreign policies.
It’s unfortunately how the French government works.
But the EU is NOT democratic, what are you even saying ?
Have you ever voted for Van der Layen ? No.
And the EU gov', who elected them ? We the People ? Of course not, they elected themselves.
if you are for democratic principles, the EU in general should be a massive crime to you
So you want all democratic countries to provide as little aid to Ukraine as France does? 😂😂 this blind France-romanticism is completely out of control with NPCs like you… 😂
Democracy is a sham and always was.
I wish they'd stop this silly LARP and just go balls out, tell us the score. The Pyramid of Hierarchy never fell. Master and Slave have been rebranded into more acceptable social appearances. Yet the basic principles still apply.
There is too many who cannot handle the truth, so they will never say it. It is what it is.
I think it's safe to say that a lot of countries in Europe are fed up with the douvishness of Germany
So what do you expect?😄
Ça c’est bien vrai ! 😒
We don't have a functional army lol
I think more are fed up with France.
@napoleonfeanor I find it alarming why people forget...Germany doesn't want smoke with Russia ever again
Why do they forget?
As a German I start to hope that Putin is blackmailing Scholz, because the alternative is sheer incompetence in line with Chamberlain, Daladier
Würde mich nicht mal wundern um ehrlich zu sein.
@@Mightydoggo frag dich mal lieber warum wir pro Russland sein sollen, wenn Frankreich weniger als 1/10 dessen leistet was wir tuen.
Wir haben 17 Milliarden € militärische Hilfe geleistet. Frankreich nur 540 Millionen €
Glaube eher der will den pazifistischen Flügel seiner Partei ruhigstellen. Da der Ami zur Zeit nichts mehr beiträgt sind wir aktuell das unangefochten das wichtigste Geberland für die Ukraine.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Warum, was hab ich davon? Ich bin nicht auf irgendwelche Schwanzvergleiche angewiesen für mein Ego. Was Frankreich tut oder nicht tut, ist völlig unabhängig davon was wir von Anfang an hätten tun sollen.
Lass das Baguette sich doch aufbacken, die Ukraine weiß schon von wem die Leos und PZH2000 kommen und die sind dort sehr zufrieden mit dem was sie bekommen haben. Es reicht halt nicht und einen halben Sieg wird es in diesem Krieg nicht geben.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 17milliarden€ die am ende größtenteils bei deutschen rüstungskonzernen wie rheinmetall landen, da diese munition wie fahrzeuge und ersatzteile produzieren, diese "militärische hilfe" ist einer investition in unsere eigen industrie sehr nahe.
This is such a biased take, why don’t you spent a minute (!) on the German perspective? How much conventional weapons did France sent to Ukraine so far?! They are all talk, no action.
Lmao Europe continues to implode on itself and Russia just standing there like: 😐
Yeah Russia is doing so well. They only had one uprising last year
@@generaalbamihap at yes the game changing 7 hour convoy that did nothing😂
@@nameless7699 no only took control of a few cities. Killed Russian air service men. But yeah to Russia that's nothing. They don't mind their guys dying. Russia is so stable that they banned all presidential candidates on technicality and just killed Navalny
@@nameless7699certainly showed how 'in control' they are
@@callthatwhatyouwant it does. Being able to annihilate an entire rebellion nearly no weapons fired mid war is quite impressive. Just shocked Ukraine couldn’t capitalize on it and retake a single thing. Now a year later and Russia continues pushing forward meanwhile Ukraine hasn’t won a single battle since November of 2022😅
There seems to be 2 schools of thought on debt:
1) it's a tool to be used limitedly and responsibly
2) it doesn't count unless something more influential than the debtor can enforce penalties
In Europe we are generally constanlty annoyed to each other :) . Germany to France, Poland to Germany, Hungary to Poland, France to Hungary, its an unending cycle with all the nations.
Russia to Ukraine, Russia to Estonia, Russia to Latvia, Russia to Lithuania, Russia to Poland, Russia to Finland, Russia to Sweden, Russia to Germany, Russia to France, Russia to UK, oh wait Russia to pretty much everyone, but apparently, they are the victims.
@@Triquetra15 Yep, Russian mindset hasn’t evolved since 19th century. I would even oppose to call those people European. Even geographically most of Russia isn’t in Europe …
@@tidalshooter9778 Yeah with all of their resources if they had a similar culture and values as the rest of Europe, they could be the wealthiest country in the world. I guess they prefer poverty, dictatorship, and nationalism instead of free speech, individual rights, and other western values.
@@Triquetra15 is h0mosexuality only "western" values?
@@simplyballing1592 Not being 3rd world and not hating homosexuality (they’re people) are western values. Unlike you
It's good that Macron finally is not taking this passive stance when it came to Ukraine anymore. I still remember when Macron was effectively saying Ukraine shouldn't win "too much" from Russia as that would be a provocation against the Kremlin and was sort of implying that they should let the Russian take their territory.
Also it is sort of frustrating to me that many of the French left (e.g. Jean Luc Melenchon) seem to still take this naïve uninformed pacifism and keep blaming NATO for their "provocation". Many French people also seem to think that France operates in a vacuum and have the classic "but what about the working-class" mentality when it comes to sending aid to Ukraine...
Macron never said Ukraine shouldn't win too much. That means nothing. Ukraine was not able to win, let alone "too much". He said we shouldn't humiliate Russia. You overinterpret him
@@cmolodiets , well what humiliates Russia more than them losing the Ukraine war???
If it isn't this then what was Macron refering to? Of course he was implying that Ukraine should eventually surrender as he wasn't sure at the time whether it was politically popular to divert French taxpayers money to Ukraine (which is fair enough but to say he didn't mean this I think is a bit disingenuous).
@@inbb510 That's up to your interpretation. My interpretation is that sanctions shouldn't go too far against the population and we shouldn't call the Russian out too much as it's uneffective and would push them toward extreme nationalism. But it's my interpretation. Like he often does, Macron said something ambiguous that everybody can interpret as he wants.
As for "Russia's losing the war", what does it even mean? You think Ukraine will invade Russia?
Macron lost Niger and Mali , but wants to beat Russia. Yes.
@@smftrsddvjiou6443Both sovereign nations, can do as they wish. Can hardly bomb them for deciding they no longer want a partnership, that's Russia's MO nowadays. Defending Ukraine militarily against an aggressor trying to overthrow its democratically elected govt is a different matter.
The discussion about dept sharing is no small matter. We remember the arguments that Brexit politicians used to make leaving the EU palatable to their voters. "We don't want to have to foot the bill for the rest of the EU." they said, which met with a great response from the population. Such arguments already exist throughout the EU.
Thanks for covering this. Naturally, developments in Ukraine (which this might impact significantly) will also have a major impact on Central/Eastern Europe, as we at Prague Pulse explain.
Thank you for this video, Incogni!
Will Germany finally take the W after two Ls?
Do we really want, though?
@ratatosk8935 if Ukraine wins or gets a positive final outcome for them at the end of the war , it can also be considered a +1 victory for all western countries that are in NATO...therefore Germany finally takes the W and Italy gets another W after WW1 as well (that wasn't really felt as a victory by the italians back then, anyway). So if Ukraine wins, all the West will benefit from it, and Germany and Italy in particular will feel better after what happened in WW2
But do we (Germany) act like we want to? Didn't feel this way - slow decision making, blocking important weapons, etc. I don't think, Germany is a pushing factor for a win. We're just reacting and waiting. @@Krang_e_Shreddy
There won't be any W in the east, that is just wishful thinking.
@@Krang_e_Shreddy What would be a W about this? The western nations arent fighting the war, Ukraine is.
What does germany get from this war except a lot of expenses?
Right now everyone is looking very thoroughly what warcrimes each side is commiting.
The only W for germany would be, if all nations would do the same with WW1/WW2.
I hate the German timidness... I agree no troops in Ukraine but that also means full support in therms of weapons and that includes Taurus... tanks, artillery, ammunition, planes... Everything !!! And increase production of all the items... it's clear that the time where we don't have to care about defense under the umbrella of the US are over... we need to wake up and create a European defense and foreign policy it's long overdue...
Germany is already ukraines second largest donor far ahead of France and other european partners? What do you mean?
Germany sends significantly more aid than France. France has just been very succesful in shifting blame and it seems like it worked well on you. While France is posturing here it is among the EU nations that have sent the least aid per GDP.
Are you joking? I don't get this honestly, France is behind us in sending support by a large margin
You fall for the propaganda of macron. Germany provides far more assets to ukrain then any other party in the eu. Germany also delivers some of the most advanced tanks and military equipment overall.
To say it rudely: France dont have to think about such stuff because their military Equipment is hot garbage in comparision to germans. That also means if germany delivers their weapons the capabilities of ukrain drastically increas to amounts germany doesnt want. Germany wants ukrain to be able to defend themselfs but not to attack russian territory. French weapons are too weak to archive that realistically with german weapons on the other hand... strikes on moskau are very likley to be able to archive.
What's more useful someone who give you 12 very old and almost garbage cars or someone who give 2 good cars and help you to use it. That's the difference between French support and German support
Never reveal a weak hand to your opponent. This is what Scholtz and the rest are doing. Macron is 100% correct.
He's done a 180 - Macron used to push for a peace settlement.
Yes, BUT Macron all but admitted that he was just bluffing.
I think this nothing to do with a weak hand. The politicians are freely to say to send troop. But their families stay safe at home. Once the politicians are willing to send their families also to war.each time they send troops. They will stop talking into a war language
I used to think the idea of a European army was ridiculous. Now, with Putin getting more deranged and imperialist than ever, I've come to change my mind.
I see where youre coming from but I dont think thats the reality here. We do not have two calculated sides looking for victory. We have a dictator who wants to put himself into history books by claiming land and expanding the empire he will leave to his successors. And he will do it at any cost. He doesn't care if that means 100k or 2 million Russians dead. It also means, if push comes to shove he will be willing to use nukes. And thats a problem. Because you can win all you want, once the nukes are flying its dunzo.
And thats why I see Scholz's response as fine. I agree, since Macron didnt say he wanted to send troops there was no need for such a clear and fast statement.
But I want to mention that 1. for France to be attacked, Russia has to pass through Germany or send missiles through Germany. Macron and France being more calm and relaxed about it all is understandable, in the same way Poland and the Baltic States are much more concerned about a war than Germany.
Lastly, I think its important to understand Scholz is not foreign minister, he is the chancellor. And in Germany there is a very strong distaste for war in general and decent pressure to keep Germany out of any military altercation at any cost, some even want Germany to disregard Ukraine completely and focus on itself. Scholz needs to be stern about not wanting military confrontation to his people.
Macron is right.
There's a bit of a history there...
I think its confusing for the uninformed. But Macrons statement makes sense if you contextualize French defense policies and acts.
For example, Lets take Nuclear weapons policy of the two major Nuke countries against france; its simply something like this :
USA - To convince the enemy the risks, retaliations after an attack outweighs than the gain of the initial attack it self.
Russia - Use the Nuclear in advance to make sure that the destruction is Nuclear is mutual.
France - We will use Nuclear whenever we want, whereever want, in any scale we want against any enemy.
Meaning Frances Nuclear policy is not a deterrence policy. They fully embrace it as an offensive capability, and is just another arsenal in their pocket.
So if you view in that context. As the President, Macron cant say "oh we will not send .." but then again as their policies go, "we will send..". Rather its better to balance it out and keep it open. Sure your neighbors wont like it. But it is what it is.
What I like is the British response here though : ".. Have no plans for a large-scale deployment". I see what you did there UK.
Macron said Nuke would only be used as a counterattack if french territory was attacked and he was criticized for it. You're blatantly uninformed
@@cmolodiets I am not saying what he said or not. I am saying the French Nuclear policy. You should study often. Of course, the policy may change at execution like he says, but It is still the national policy.
The information still holds true.
@@MALITH666 what you said is false on every point of view. No one in France said they would use the nuclear weapon whenever they want.
Macron which happens to be the president said it would be used against an attacker of the territory
@@cmolodiets The french doctrine is that France doesn't use the same doctrine as USA, UK, China and Russia (and ex-USSR) which was what they were callingthe graduate answer. The french nuke policy is the following : france authorised herself to use strategical nukes at ANY moment and full scale if any of these reasons are on the table 1/ France has or french troops are nuked 2/ France of her troops are attacked by chemical and/or biological weapons 3/ if the vital interests of France are CONSIDERED as severely threatened... this last point is enough "dark" and unprecise to make any reason to use them. Then france has another policyt for tactical nukes and in the western european block, france is the alone to have a component of tactical nukes on Rafale and Mirage 2000N. France authorised herself to use Nukes for one or 2 reasons in these : 1/ Her army, even on a battle field out of France is in true difficulty and 2/ if Russia (USSR in her time) was to begin a full scale conventional offensive. 3/ as final warning before using strategical nukes, France may send one or 2 tactical nukes to say "stop, it's enough"... You see the point ? In the USSR time, the red army had several plans of invasions of western europe, after 1966 when France has created 3 nukes components, in ALL these plans released after the fall of the soviet union, they decided that the red army shouldn't encircle french troops and at least, they should never cross the french border, because of this specific nuke policy. (And USSR were also aware that France had known a harsh occupation in 1940-1944 just as many parts of european USSR had known, then they knew that French will NEVER accept it again). macron has spoken about this nuke policy and he said it was still the same, at numerous occasion, during his speech for elections and also when some foreign journalists asked him.
And the one which is the most talking about attacking others and with nukes, it's Putin, not Macron.
It is fair to point out that age may be a factor here. The Macron government has a young leadership that is more open to risk taking and temporary discomfort to achieve long term goals, meanwhile Schultz and his posse are veteran in politics and at the image of Germany itself are aging and less willing to jeopardize their relatively comfortable lives. In reality, events will dictate who is right. As for me, I believe if the EU wants to have a future, they'd listen to Macron.
They're also not at Russia's doorstep. Neither is Germany, but it spend the entirety of the 20th century either at war with Russia or under the shadow of a looming atomic war with Russia which would have been fought on German soil. This kind of rhetoric is way more 'real' to German, Polish and baltic people than to French people and could have political consequences for it's leadership.
You forgot that Germany is actually rulling EU as if it was the 4th Reich... There's not balance power in it... UK did brexit, France has decided 20 years ago that she won't be anymore co-leader of the Titanic and Italy is in difficulty of her own... Brussels has become Berlin Bis since 2008 when, after the french people refused the EU german constitution (2005), the collaborators of the french elite put it in the assembly vote to bypass the french people... when it had never been put on the table during french previous election. EU is totally disconnected from most of european people excepted the one which are the only and the ture benefitters of it (Germany, NDL, Lux).
Who needs Orban when you have Scholz...
germany is delivering around 60% of EU aid alone, France does basicly nothing. but yeah its Scholz and Germany that are not pulling their weight here....
when Germany thinks it has the ability to give orders to France 🤣
Yes it has the ability to do that
Who do you think bankrolls the ridiculous Schmutz called the European Union? Not France, that's who.
No way France is stronger than germany@@QUILVER1
@@QUILVER1 From a north African Muslim it' s not a surprise... You're are just a stereotype...
@@QUILVER1 YOU AND WHAT ARMY 🗿
I write this as a German:
Germany thinks, it would be enough to be rich and don't care about others. I also believe, that we currently have one of the weakest chancellors since 2nd WW, if not the weakest.
But "we" aren´t even rich. The upper 20% or so are rich.
Nah he just *REALLY* sucks at communication. All it took were some empty words from Macron and everyone assumes the Legion d'Etrangere will spank some Russkis in Bakhmut.
In reality the self proclaimed geopolitical and military powerhouse of the EU is donating less than a third of our aid contributions.
as a german: france is doing jack shit in comparison to germany.
we are delivering 32x more military aid than france.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Klar. Die Militärhilfen komme auch in 2040 an
@@nihil_hd1598 dude, die Hilfen sind zu überwiegenden Teilen schon vor Ort.
Deutschland hat in den letzten 2 Jahren fast 4 vollständige Panzerbrigaden mit 4 Kampfbataillonen (2x Panzer, 2x Panzergrenadier, 1x Artillerie, 1x Pionier pro Brigade) geliefert und versorgt diese auch.
Frankreich hat eine Handvoll Panzerspähwagen geliefert, das wars.
Oh boy, we’re getting a sequel!
About time the WW2 games are getting boring
I just came here to see the comments
Never thought I'd say this, but France has got bigger balls than Germany and the US.
that's only communication. No act. Te French won't do anything without a very heavy support
france is all talk no action.
if france were serious about supporting ukraine, they would have delivered more than just 1/10 of the german aid volume
Yea, talking big while sitting behind all the frontline countries and then not even supplying Ukraine with weaponry accordingly… very big balls.
@@Ultima-Signa has not changed much since the cold war. even during peak times of the cold war, France did only invest way below 3% GDP in defense
Macron: let's scare Putin a bit to see if he chills tg out
Rest of NATO: NO WE WILL NEVER DARE LAY OUR HAND ON RUSSIA THAT IS NOT EVEN A POSSIBILITY
France and Germany: _Having an argument_
rest of Europe: *Guess we'll just die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯*
Tbf even Germany is annoyed with Germany
That's true. We've given Ukraine too much.
I could not be more annoyed with that clown we have for a chancellor.
weve given you too much oxygen already@@univeropa3363
wich germany shouldnt be.
everybody should be annoyed with france.
France is not pulliing its weight, its doing barely more than Estonia iin total numbers.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 I support the current absolute levels of support coming from Germany both directly and thru EU funds - but there is still lots of room for improvement, and by % of GDP which is a much more fair number for comparison between countries to look at, Germany ranks at number 10 barely ahead of the UK and far behind the baltics, most of the nordics and the Netherlands. Macron needs to massively increase his contribution, so far it has been laughably small and is making himself see quite hypocritical, but that doesn't change the aforementioned facts.
Love visuals =)))
"TLDR not talking about France, Germany, Italy and demographics" Challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
Have you read the name of the channel?
The channel is literally called TLDR news "EU". EU. European union
@@skorrip today I learned that the EU is made up by only 3 countries.
Strategic ambiguity can only work for so long.
I misheard the Taurus for the "Tourist Missile".
If France wants debt-sharing, they should offer something in exchange. How about Elsaß-Lothringen? :D
I kid, we wouldn't want to ruin that beautiful hexagon shape, or would we? 😉
quel rapport avec l'Alsace ?
Ahah "c'est de bonne guerre", as we say at home. 😘 Love Germany and the german people
@@scaramanga7587 Well, it would be an offer worth contemplating in exchange for debt-sharing.
Alsace and Lorraine were french far before germany was even a thing
@@smal750 You mean it was a German speaking region that France conquered in the 17th century. ☺
the french dont give a f LOL
I'm not always the biggest fan of Macron but I agree with him on this. The EU needs to support Ukraine more and we also need to create a stronger defense industry since we can't keep relying as much on the US when the presumptive Republican nominee and an increasing part of the Republican Party become more isolationist and anti-NATO. Germany's fiscal conservatism is also ridiculous. The debt break is partially responsible for German infrastructure and Deutsche Bahn being as bad as it is and their economy becoming increasingly bad. EU bonds and investments should also be done to help with the green energy transition
Very good, succinct explanation.
The French always want the Germans to pay, that’s the main issue
Germany be like : kill Iraq ppl ? course!
Protect Europe country's .
Not me its too dangerous. 🤡
@@Jahmil363 France is the weak link of EU support.
60% of european aid are currently shouldered by germany alone. (22b$ for the last 24 months just from german bilateral aid going up to close to 30b$ with this year, of those 22b already 18b are just military goods like ammunition, heavy weapons (aka tanks etc) and equipment)
The next largest european economy, the UK, is bringing 16b$ total aid to the table in the last 24 months, of this 9b$ are military aid.
France is a barely smaller economy, but 3rd largest exporter of weapons inthe world. France brings in 1,8b$ over the last 2 years and of those 635 million are military aid.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Note: this user's reply was copied and pasted on this video dozens of times across various comments
Macron is literally just posturing. Germany has sent more aid to Ukraine per GDP than France. Almost 10 times as much. The idea France is some sort of grand leader in Ukraine aid and Germany is dragging it's heals is absurd. France is trying to do as little as possible while pointing at everyone else at this point.
to put it in even harsher relations: France did barely more than one of the 3 smallest economies in the EU, Estonia (GDP of Estonia is 36 Billion €, France is 2,9 Trillion €) in respect to delivered Aid.
Stop the bullshit. France does and maybe says Germany says and maybe does. A big part of French support is secret and Germany is using tricks to increase the numbers. You can't count 40y old (good for garbage) Strella manpads as new.
Let's not forget that the first German proposition was 5000 helmets
Taurus missiles?
4 times, not 10. France is at 4.7 billions.
This is false, the truth is that we don't know. All the aid given is not being communicated.
Not only France but also Germans are annoyed by this government😂
Eloquently presented giving clear concise evaluation of the situation and bureaucracy than bogs down these essential supplies to Ukraine . This is my first viewing of TLDR news and I like their presentation.
I feel sorry for France. They have a very developed diplomatic - political system and are emotionally much more mature than the other European states, especially Germany and Eastern Europe. Spain and the Netherlands also have potential. but the rest has reached its limits.
I don"t like Macron, but he is 100% right at this matter. EU countries shouldn't officialy resign from option of sending troops in Ukraine even if it will never happen.
Now NATO and Eu look weak in the eyes of Russia.
Germany might be persuaded for 1
Alsace-Lorraine and 1 whole Prussia package.
lmao
How about a knuckle sandwich instead?
yeah, those Prussians got deported by the soviets a long time ago, so only Poles and Russians left in Prussia, no thank you
@@adrien5834 france is the most vile evil ever to befall this world
lol
Anschluss!
I have a feeling there's something odd with sound in this video.
How does Olaf Scholz saying that all EU countries are unanimous in not sending troops to Ukraine when Macron just said he is not ruling it out? Is this some new quantum logic theory where yes and no are true?🤦🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I guess it is the EU equivalent of strategic ambiguity?
Scholz said macron is lying and is trying to look tough. Hence why macron was mad.
@@patrickbateman1660France is a EU country, so to say there is unanimous rejection for the idea of sending troops is false. There is at least one government that refuses to reject the idea outright.
The obvious implication is "unanimous except for this one guy". Like how "we're alone" means "we're alone except for each other".
because it was a NATO agreement that no troops are send to ukraine to fight.
thiis agreement is from march 2022.
Macron talked out of line and got disciplined.
Thank you for saying Bay-Jing instead beige-ing.
Again!
Title of this video is the tldr of contemporary European history
No no he has a point.
*modern contemporary European history, European countries used to go to war over a bucket or a donkey.
Macron has simply said aloud what everyone else knows: if Ukraine's defence crumbles from lack of weapons and money, Europe will either have to intervene directly or accept Russian satellite status. He was the first to say that Europe could no longer depend on the USA, and he was right about that too.
France is the weak link of EU support.
60% of european aid are currently shouldered by germany alone. (22b$ for the last 24 months just from german bilateral aid going up to close to 30b$ with this year, of those 22b already 18b are just military goods like ammunition, heavy weapons (aka tanks etc) and equipment)
The next largest european economy, the UK, is bringing 16b$ total aid to the table in the last 24 months, of this 9b$ are military aid.
France is a barely smaller economy, but 3rd largest exporter of weapons inthe world. France brings in 1,8b$ over the last 2 years and of those 635 million are military aid.
so when france talks the talk, why does it not walk the walk?
@@zhufortheimpaler4041you are ridiculous... your jealousy is nothing 😂😂
@@avb4805 look up the numbers. Germany is doing more than 10 times more than France, France is all talk no walk
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 That is what leaders do 😉
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I m german! I don't want my soldier's to fight foreign wars...i m pro Ukraine but this is your job
100% agree as a french ! Help but no French soldiers in Ukraine either.
@aliceg6745 for sure!! I mean 2 million of them came to Germany. We feed them pay all expenses..isn't that enough? My soldiers will not fight their war! Btw StopGazaGenocide
As ukrainian, we have shortages in ammunition, it make us lose more people and territories, so what`s the point of sending troops if Europe cant even supply Ukrainian army with a metal pieces. Still gratefull for your Country`s any support
@user-ox9kw2kk9d I do support you guys but u gotta fight your own wars! Eastern Europe was always a mess...
@@user-ox9kw2kk9d We stand with you in Europe and admire your courage and resistance. Europe must help you but it must not, under any circumstances, send troops to Ukraine!! Otherwise war against Russia and in France we do not want to wage war against Russia. I think it's the same for the Germans.
"hey i've seen this one before"
2:54 the Storm Shadow / SCALP EG has equivalent range and capability as the Taurus, they just limit the range to the missile they give to Ukrainians.
Taurus could do the same. Takes 2 sec to check on wikipedia.
I very much doubt that the Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles sent to Ukraine are range limited, considering that they come out of British and French stocks.
@@adrien5834 range limit is called geofencing.
the ukranians are not allowed to target targets outside of ukraine and not allowed to target certain targets.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041You have a source for that?
@@adrien5834 there have been no stormshadow strikes outside the legal ukrainian borders.
they are capable of striking targets down out to the Kerch bridge (as we have seen that they can hit targets next to the bridge).
they didnt hit certain strategicly relevant targets that are absolutely in range (like the Kerch Bridge or russian airports and ports etc in the Rostow Region in Russia)
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Sure but that doesn't tell you whether they haven't because they can't or because they simply haven't.
Europe talks. Russia acts.
Why is the Weimar Triangle (a grouping of France Germany and Poland).
An alternative to the "Franco-German Engine" if Germany and France disagree ?
Would they not also disagree if you ad Poland the Group?
France is the weak link of EU support.
60% of european aid are currently shouldered by germany alone. (22b$ for the last 24 months just from german bilateral aid going up to close to 30b$ with this year, of those 22b already 18b are just military goods like ammunition, heavy weapons (aka tanks etc) and equipment)
The next largest european economy, the UK, is bringing 16b$ total aid to the table in the last 24 months, of this 9b$ are military aid.
France is a barely smaller economy, but 3rd largest exporter of weapons inthe world. France brings in 1,8b$ over the last 2 years and of those 635 million are military aid.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Why did you post that as a reply to my Comment?
It does not seem related.
@@h_pod he is copy and pasting the exact same response on tons of comments
Thee triangle and the fraznco-german thing is just powder to the eyes... Germany is now in charge of EU, and alone in charge, since Lisbon treaty ratification. Many countries wanted to help Greece (in which france, Spain and Italy), just because Germany said no (followed by the little dog NDL), the summit of greece made it hard way for the Greeks... there are numerous choices done by Berlin and imposed to all of EU which are questionning : th eindexation of the price of the energy on the Gas price when nuke plants was twice cheaper, has killed the few rest of the french industry and many other countries. And the choice to have almost only Russian for their gas and their coal has puth german balls in Putin hand, but also all EU in his hands as all our economies are udner german orders. If you didn't see we are under the german 4th reich, a softer (in appearnce) reich, less visible, but much stronger, then you miss the most important thing !
He did not suggest that.
Macron talks easily. France has a much stronger military than Germany and is a nuclear power. France is also geographically much further away from Eastern Europe. Even the war-loving Poles didn't like Macron's statement.
Germany is being pushed into the war efforts by the other NATO industrial states like France, UK and the US, but has no nuclear weapons arsenal itself (there are many American nuclear weapons on German soil, but US approval is required to use them, so their availability is not 100% certain). Germany recently overtook Japan as the third largest economy in the world. If you ask Germany to play not only in the economic but also in the big military game as well, it must also be allowed to have a big bat.
As far as the German government coalition is concerned, especially the FDP: ironically, the FDP is the party in Germany that is politically closest to Macron (at least domestically).
France is the weak link of EU support.
60% of european aid are currently shouldered by germany alone. (22b$ for the last 24 months just from german bilateral aid going up to close to 30b$ with this year, of those 22b already 18b are just military goods like ammunition, heavy weapons (aka tanks etc) and equipment)
The next largest european economy, the UK, is bringing 16b$ total aid to the table in the last 24 months, of this 9b$ are military aid.
France is a barely smaller economy, but 3rd largest exporter of weapons inthe world. France brings in 1,8b$ over the last 2 years and of those 635 million are military aid.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Copied and pasted on multiple comments
@@Pasta_Pirate at some point you give up explaining reality to all the idiots around, so you just copy paste it.
its just a case of frustration with people who seem to have no grasp on reality.
@@Pasta_Pirate well when you basically need to explain the same thing over and over again copy paste is easier, than to write dozens of comments, that basically say the same.
Germany isn't aware of that. Germany has her balls in Putin hands since they deiceded alone to put them in by buying almost only russian gas and other things... They forced EU to index the price of the energy on the gas rpice, when france (by example) has 80% of her electricity was produced by nuke plants and was twice cheaper than the other way to produce energy. French corrupted elites have preferred to follow their Fürher orders at Berlin and complied. Now that french people has felt the so sweet effects of the german ruling (hard way) EU... Macron is obliged to up his words... but as France has only her diplomacy and her powerful army, the only way to hell at germans is in foreign and military affairs. The problem is far more global. The actual EU has nothing to do with the initial dream that was sold to european people. It's a german EU ruled at Berlin all monetary decision : Berlin, all economy decisions : Berlin etc... A nation is existing by the will of the people, being European is not being part of a nation but of an idea, a concept or even a spirit. Germany has slowly took the power in EU, and no one fought the danger. Now we pay for germany decision about making affairs with Putin, the funny of the things is when Germany was blaming France to sell 2 helicopters carriers and forced it to stop the deal. hypocrosy at its best.
I came rushing over for some tea ☕
Hell no, we won't go!
Paris better start reinforcing that Maginot line again.
Or get their heads out off their asses and actually contribute aid to Ukraine instead of just yapping away. France has send a fraction of the aid germany contributed, even though they have a bigger export capacity for arms.
@@nsl_black8053what do the french do with that export capacity?
@@nydydn They sell them or keep them for themselves.
@@nsl_black8053 You don't know about that. France keeps its military aid to Ukraine a state secret, whereas Germany pubicly shares its military aid. Moreover France was already exporting weapons to Ukraine long before the war with Russia.
France acts and doesn’t bark on aids. It sends aids but not publicly.
Confused
Our governments lie to us too. Also strategic
Cool video
I wish you could get Jeremy Clarkson as a guest host for only this topic😂.
To us French, it sounds as the German are always dragging their heels.
Unless it's in their direct economic interest.
Why are we spending in US arms deals, when the EU has a long and rich history of arms manufacturing?
Then how come Germany has sent significantly more aid to Ukraine than France?
Yet Germany sends significantly more aid per GDP. Almost 10 times as much. Seems like France is the one actually dragging it's heals. And Macron tries to distract from it with this nonsense.
@@firnen_ The value of which is dwarfed by that enormous amount of money Germany paid to Russia in the past 20 years as the first and foremost outpost of Gazprom, helping Putin to strengthen Russia's economy.
@firnen_ Us french pay our elictricity twice the price we should for your german car industry not to collapse currently. Other countries with high energy outpout like Spain or Norway dos not share the same sacrifice. I know it's also because our economy is collapsing but remember EU has kept the euro high in order to favor german industry despite it was clearly hurting housing price in France while also threatening the sustening of our social system. (It had exatcly the same ouctome for Italy by the way)
France has always sacrificed for the E.U interest. Even in the beggining, we could have capitalized on the Axis defeat after WW2 to our benefit just like we did after WW1. But we didn't.
To us Germans it sounds as if the French are just talk. Its always something new here and something new there and in the meantime nothing gets done right.
Unless its in their economic interest, of course. I mean why insist on european (french) made arms (that are often still in developement), when we could just buy what already works (its not like we are under time pressure or something).
Good thing we talked about it.
These two always bicker and it leads to nothing each time
Perhaps they would kiss this time
You really marvel at how much the world has changed in the past hundred, hundred and fifty years when you see France and Germany being talked about like bickering sitcom neighbours.
1914
1940
Hardly what I'd call nothing
We're not just always arguing, we're also still kissing all the time. It's a marriage, I guess. Love to France from Germany!@@miat9039
Olaf Scholtz is such a muppet! It's pathetic! Germany needs a better chancellor
and you don’t want your leaders name to be associated with a freaking snowman!!!
germany is shouldering 60% of european ukraine aid singlehandedly. its more that the others like france to jack shit
@@miscellaneoussarnian5282 Or the bad guy in the movie 'a series of unfortunate events'... actually Olaf is almost exclusively a bad guy name (except for the snowman)
Danke Merkel!
Oh no... not again 😮
Germany doesn't have nuclear deterrence and is much closer to Russia. It's vital for Germany to remain calm in this conflict.
Hmmmm- I remember this plot from somewhere....
I think the feeling is mutual.
Isn't Franco-German fussing a basic fact of reality?
Yeah. Especially with Macron. I mean, I'm not saying he's completley wrong on all those things. But he does seem to really like the publicity he gets...
It's more the case with the British, believe it or not. We tend to like Germans. The german state though, is another question.
@@KavrielTrust me, nobody hates the British more than the British right now, Brexit was an absolute travesty perpetrated by a bunch of looneys and idiots, the young and the intelligent within the UK are especially bitter about the whole affair since they majority voted to stay in the EU, but were beaten out by the old and idiotic and are now suffering the consequences.
@Kavriel Kings and lordlings (elected or otherwise) have little reason to seek peace. It's the people who want and need peace. That's why the elites of all types lie to us. From Left to Right, elites need power to be elite. A them versus us fight gives power. The Cold War demonstrated the skill of Europe's elites. They managed to get ordinary Europeans to see both the Russians and those who would protect them from the Russians as enemies. That let them charge America high prices for letting us Americans paid for Europe's defense. Very clever of them, don't you think?
We're in another cold war.
For Ukranians, it's quite hot.
Soon for Taiwan too. China seems to be getting more pro-Russian in recent months. And China is definetly preparing for something this decade.
we're not ukrainians. cold war has always been hot in some parts of the world
Not a Cold War, just the slow death of liberalism. Contradictory policy based on an ideology with no basis or respect for history will always fail.
Thats literally the whole concept behind a cold war. Its cold for the main puppet masters.
Indeed. I'm from Finland. The previous cold war with the Soviets was very much hot here.@@cmolodiets
TLDR leaves out half the story.
- Firstly, there is not enough arms production in (EU) Europe for Ukraine, so Germany has long been demanding purchases from all over the world, which France had blocked until 3 days ago.
- After the US, Germany is Ukraine's biggest supporter, while France sends shockingly little support. That's why Germany is "angry" with France. (The United Kingdom plays no role in the internal EU security debate).
-Another key difference: In France, the president decides whether there will be military action. In Germany
Parliament decides. The Chancellor can only decide alone in an emergency (sudden attack, etc.).
Well yeah. France have been the largest weapons supplier to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020, you would think we will save also our own military and not give away everything to Ukraine ? And say we send "little support" is dumb, considering we are advokating also for Ukraine to have their own miilitary industry. We gave them billions to do exactly that and not always be dependant on foreign support.
Did not the German Parliament vote to send Taurus and the Chancellor refuse?
There is not enough arms production. Thats the whole point. Macron wants to develop european arms production whilst Germany stays complacent.
@@skorrip thats not the case, the german industry has massively ramped up production, while in france the orders are still not made.
@@ad3l547 in the 2 years france barely send more than estonia. (540 million € in value, while germany slapped 17 billion on the table.)
in the 6 years between 2014 - 2020 france also broke EU Export restrictions to russia and continued to deliver military hardware like thermal imagers to the russian armed forces.
And the "pre war exports" to Ukraine (for wich ukraine payed with their own money by the way) is still in the single digit billion range.
France is basicly doing shit
All I'm saying is that Alsace is a nice place for holidays
While you're there, visiting Lorraine is essential.
Elsaß - most beautiful German region)@@swann67000
Elsaß…
And the Saarland is very nice too
Germans would need to grow a bigger pair of balls than they currently have if they are even thinking of Alsace and Lorraine. At the moment it looks more likely that France will re-occupy Saarland.
France and Germany fall out.
Rest of Europe: 👀
France is the weak link of EU support.
60% of european aid are currently shouldered by germany alone. (22b$ for the last 24 months just from german bilateral aid going up to close to 30b$ with this year, of those 22b already 18b are just military goods like ammunition, heavy weapons (aka tanks etc) and equipment)
The next largest european economy, the UK, is bringing 16b$ total aid to the table in the last 24 months, of this 9b$ are military aid.
France is a barely smaller economy, but 3rd largest exporter of weapons inthe world. France brings in 1,8b$ over the last 2 years and of those 635 million are military aid.
France’s military aid is kept secret
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Note: this user's reply was copied and pasted on this video dozens of times across various comments
@@Pasta_Pirate as said before, im not going to write an elaborate explanation to every idiot on the internet, at some point i am going to copy paste the explanation, especcially when its dozens of idiots.
Excellent insight in the core issue. Perhaps one of the reasons of acute differences between both governments is that the war and particularly EU's reaction to russia has taken a toll on Germany poilitics, the german ruling alliance has suffered tough losses in recent regional elections and prospects are not any better. Macron has proven a teflon against fragmented political opposition and truly said its nuclear-based grid has helped a lot to insulate the country against the energy supply crisis affecting the rest of europe. Good report.
germany is suffering economicly but still provides 10 times more aid to ukraine than france.
weird isnt it?
like france does not want Ukraine to win
It's just a "divergence" between politicians. The people of these two countries don't care and appreciate each other. 🇫🇷🇩🇪
As a french, I can tell you that Macron is not appreciated by the french. He is ahead of the European elections and knows it. So he says anything, particularly about sending troops to Ukraine. It is out of the question and the French massively reject his remarks. Believe me, he is disconnected from the French and no longer really represents the people. He cares more about Europe than his own country (farmers, immigration, etc.). That's a problem.
Macron is way more liked outside of France, it's exterior policy are way better than everything he does inside the country.
@@raton2356 Macron should be president of the EU and not president of France seriously. This is why Europeans appreciate it but not the French. Let him take care of his country first!!! And he is surprised that the far right is in the lead.....
When did the French ever like one of their politicians?
@@Domokun-Dahu Yes, you're right! The French are ungovernable! 😂😂 But for Macron it is deserved! He does a lot of harm to France and the French, believe me.
Both of them ( Macron and Scholz ) have support from less than 30 % of their voters in last
elections . Yet , here they are ,
pontificating about what Europe
should do in Ukraine . ?!? EU
Democracy in action.
- Me: Wake up kids! The new face of TLDR just dropped, and she's doing great!
- My kids: We don't care dad, we want a sensible Franco-German defence policy.
every time she says "ie" you take a shot
That's a good face, I think I'm gonna name my black, red, and yellow fire mountain ogre with the snotling in his hand olev.