NOS Atari 130XE with all the goodies installed

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  • čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
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    00:00 Introduction
    00:42 Sponsor message
    01:24 What's being installed
    04:02 Power-on testing the unmodified machine
    04:19 Dismantling the computer
    05:09 Overview of the motherboard
    05:56 Pre-prepared cabling
    06:54 Initial motherboard modifications
    07:40 The DIN13 RGB connector
    09:14 U1MB modifications
    09:56 Installing the rest of the sockets
    15:17 Testing with the sockets installed
    15:43 The CPU adapter
    16:57 Spectre installation
    17:57 RGB jack wiring
    19:37 CPU adapter suggestions
    20:02 Spectre wiring
    22:31 Testing Spectre
    23:18 Ultimate 1MB installation
    25:31 U1MB testing
    26:08 Installing VBXE
    30:11 VBXE testing
    31:28 Completing RGB wiring
    32:18 Replacing the keyboard adapter
    34:21 The 'Decent' XE keyboard
    35:26 Reassembling the case
    36:35 Testing the keyboard
    38:11 Upgrading the U1MB firmware
    40:24 Testing SIDE 3.1
    40:41 SIDE 3.2
    43:02 Trying to make SIDE 3.1 work
    46:02 Conclusion
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Komentáře • 73

  • @flashjazzcat
    @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci +4

    Note: further testing of SIDE 3.2 revealed some problems with that cartridge revision too, albeit much less severe than with SIDE 3.1. No doubt the proper SIDE 3.2 JED (certainly needed in order to make the hardware report the correct revision) will improve matters. ;)

  • @curiousottman
    @curiousottman Před 3 měsíci +1

    Sold many of these back in the day when working at a local computer store in 87-88. So nice to see a tear down so many years later. Brings back many memories of meeting Atari enthusiasts.

  • @giuseppeb1977
    @giuseppeb1977 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This was my first computer that my dad gave me as a Christmas present in 1986. I really enjoyed playing games and writing my first computer programs in Basic.

  • @michaelstoliker971
    @michaelstoliker971 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I like the large return key on the keyboard.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      Me too. The new layout takes some getting used to, though.

    • @cathrynm
      @cathrynm Před 11 měsíci +1

      Oh where did caps-lock go?

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@cathrynm Between TAB and left SHIFT.

  • @TheWoj76
    @TheWoj76 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Thank you for this! I essentially relived half a year of my life doing practically the same mods (minus the keyboard plus stereo Pokey) in these 48 minutes. Always learn something useful from you, this time it was the keyboard alternative. I also am looking very much forward to your experiences with the O2 fixer.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks so much! I'm waiting for 'the fixer' too, with baited breath and some degree of scepticism.

    • @opentheskyy7
      @opentheskyy7 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@flashjazzcat due to the fact that Lotharek developed O2/Fixer based on my idea, a few words about it....... I posted on FB why it works. It lower "parasitic capacitance" and do the O2 signal separation between Atari ICs. Lotharek sent me 1.0 for tests and I'm waiting for 1.1 . Actually on my XE board I solved it even in the different way. I have replaced all "LS" to "F" - it is not a case that they are faster up to 125Mhz.. it is a case that they have lowered impact on parasitic capacitance and that's why they are working at 125Mhz. I have replaced PIA na WDC PIA NMOS @14Mhz (new chip - new technology - lowered impact on parasitic capacitance as well). I have also replaced Pokey na PokeyMax. PokeyMax actually is not IC but the board also has low impact on parasitic capacitance. Next step is replacing GTIA to Sophia 2, but it is too much if you have VBXE installed in the system. Sophia 2 do the same job like PokeyMax - has lower impact on parasitic capacitance. Well the subject of parasitic capacitance is well known in any of implementation of bus such I2C. I was even surprised that it hadn't been brought to attention before. So... it's not the noise, not the gate response speed, but the parasitic capacitance that's the problem. The question remains, what does this parasitic capacitance actually do? The line also has resistance. So, together with capacitance, they form a low-pass filter that distorts the upper frequencies (used e.g. in Side 3.0, 3.1, ....)

  • @ugodaprato4218
    @ugodaprato4218 Před 5 měsíci

    Great work buddy 👍

  • @slaapliedje
    @slaapliedje Před 10 měsíci +1

    You added all the mods to mine ages ago, and the one thing it is missing is the keyboard... guess I NEED to order one...

  • @andromedaone3640
    @andromedaone3640 Před měsícem +1

    Looked better as it was

  • @michaelstoliker971
    @michaelstoliker971 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Damn, I want all of that!

  • @genblob
    @genblob Před 11 měsíci +1

    Nice! I would love to see an STF version of that replacement keyboard

  • @cesargaldamesbert
    @cesargaldamesbert Před 11 měsíci

    gorgeous keyboard!!! Need one!

  • @rekeating1
    @rekeating1 Před 11 měsíci

    Hey, thank you. I had more hours of bliss on most Atari computers.
    I do remember my 130 came the same way. I remember because I thought it odd at the time

  • @waltciii3
    @waltciii3 Před 11 měsíci

    Condolences. My daughters lost their Weimaraner dog, Buddy, during the pandemic and were devastated. They now have a Siamese cat that looks not unlike your Jessie.
    PS Great wire management on the 130XE!

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      Thank you so much, and I'm so sorry to hear of your daughters' loss. Pleased, however, to hear of the new arrival. I'd love to see pics of the Siamese some time!

  • @michaelstoliker971
    @michaelstoliker971 Před 11 měsíci

    And a little health and safety announcement thrown in as well!😆

  • @gamedoutgamer
    @gamedoutgamer Před 11 měsíci

    Great work, FJC. The RGB port looks very nice and respectful of the machine. I would wonder if those old electrolytic caps would compromise stability and even reliability of the machine..?? Best to replace them with new ones? I would, especially with all that extra power draw in there.
    Agree with the clacky keyboard is too much sound and the brown switches seem a better option.
    Been out of touch with the A8 scene lately and didn't know there was a 3.2 SIDE3 so very glad I waited on one.
    Appreciate your work and sharing your knowledge. Cheers

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      I tend not to bother replacing caps unless they show visible signs of damage, and in this case, the machine works 100 per cent rock-solid with SIDE3, SIDE 3.2, or no cartridge installed. It's only SIDE 3.1 which manifests an issue. Not that it would take more than ten minutes to replace a couple of 470uf electrolytic caps, but it's not the source of the issues here. SIDE 3.2 hasn't been 'announced' as such or released yet, but I'd definitely hang on for it if I were you. Thanks for the comments!

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 Před 3 měsíci

    Another pro-tip, always remove the cut up component leads up your bench, especially if they are the same size as the solder you're using ... ;)

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 3 měsíci

      They're prone to cause nasty shorts under the motherboard as well.

  • @SanguineBrah
    @SanguineBrah Před 11 měsíci

    The desoldering tool clogging might also have something to do with how long you hold the trigger for. I usually press it a second or two longer than I think I need to in case there's any solder still in the pipe.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci +1

      That's very true. I've taken to leaving the trigger down a bit longer and I have no problems now, and coupled with the higher temp, the thing works very well, as shown in the video.

  • @paullee107
    @paullee107 Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing, I've given you a sub. If I want to get into Atari 8bits, what is the pinnacle or best model to start with?

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 10 měsíci

      Thanks for the sub - it's massively appreciated. As for the choice of machine: that's tough, since it depends on your aesthetic sensibilities as much as your practical needs. If you propose to use parallel-bus devices (externally attached), stick to 65/130XE or 600/800XL. However, if PBI/ECI is not a concern (and few parallel devices exist, frankly), many users go out of their way to get a 1200XL (for its size, looks and excellent keyboard). The XEGS is also popular because of its external, detachable keyboard, but like the 1200XL, it lacks a parallel bus connector. My personal favourite at the moment is the 600XL, owing to its small form factor (I have a tiny desk), generally good keyboard (although many different keyboard types were used), nice design, PBI port, top-mounted cartridge port, and excellent stock video once one extraneous capacitor has been removed. See my 600XL 'Essential upgrades' video from three or four years back for more information on this nice Atari 8-bit model.

  • @szczepancom
    @szczepancom Před 11 měsíci +1

    nice keyboard :)

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Před 11 měsíci

    Dood that is a major freaking score.

  • @bitdigital8052
    @bitdigital8052 Před 11 měsíci

    So me buying a SIDE 3.1 to use on a 130XE would be a waste right now? Does 3.1 work well on the XL series? Awesome work and very informative video as usual. Thanks.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Much as it hurts me directly in the pocket, I'm inclined to suggest waiting for SIDE 3.2, since the chances of mishaps (unless you already know for sure that SIDE 3.1 works with the host machine) appear greatly reduced with the newer hardware. SIDE 3.2 is IMO what SIDE 3.1 should have been in the first place. Glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @Applecompuser
    @Applecompuser Před 4 měsíci

    I liked the keyboard on the 130 XE. Not sure why someone would want to replace it. Id love to get some of the other upgrades however.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 4 měsíci

      Because the XE keyboard Mylars are of generally low quality and don't last. Not to mention that one of the two variants is also horrible to type on. Mine failed entitrely back in 1990 or so, only a year after I got my first XE.

  • @VA7LFD
    @VA7LFD Před 11 měsíci

    Where can one buy the replacement keyboard for the 130XE?

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      See this thread at AtariAge for details. I've added it to the description. forums.atariage.com/topic/324588-atari-130xe-keyboard-rebuild-vintage-keycaps-on-modern-switches/

  • @theretrogeek2281
    @theretrogeek2281 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video,I would have preferred the original keyboard,there is something off about it with the rest of the case..

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 4 měsíci +1

      I tend to agree, although the keyboard I put in one of my own XEs (with 'Falcon grey' keys and original console keys) looks pretty nice.

  • @w1katari
    @w1katari Před 11 měsíci +1

    hmm, nice keyboard

  • @fragalot
    @fragalot Před 11 měsíci

    Please tell me there's an XL version of that keyboard!!

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      I don't think there is, but how cool it would be.

    • @gamedoutgamer
      @gamedoutgamer Před 11 měsíci

      So many bad XL keyboards out there!! The SCCO & Mit.

    • @BertrandLeRoy
      @BertrandLeRoy Před 11 měsíci +2

      Working on it ;)

    • @gamedoutgamer
      @gamedoutgamer Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@BertrandLeRoy Awesome thank you!! Does Alps still make switches similar to the type 1 for the XL's? Those are amazing.

    • @BertrandLeRoy
      @BertrandLeRoy Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@gamedoutgamer I don’t know but I’ll research it. I certainly want to be respectful of the identity of these machines, especially the ones that came with Alps, as those are awesome. So Alps compatibility is definitely something I’ll try to achieve. To be clear, I’m at the very early stages of design on this one.

  • @w1katari
    @w1katari Před 5 měsíci

    its possible buy side 3.2?

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 4 měsíci

      Your guess is as good as mine. All I see is SIDE 3.1 at RetroLemon.

  • @robertplestenjak
    @robertplestenjak Před 11 měsíci +1

    Yeah, Side3.1 just doesn't work. I'm using Side2 and have tossed Side3.1 in the stuff that is never used box. Funny, I fitted my 130XE with exactly the same upgrades, only the mechanical keyboard is an older revision with low-profile switches and original key-caps.
    Regarding the poorly fitting case. I have two 130XE and their cases are slightly different. If I try a top part from one and the bottom from the other they don't perfectly fit, just like this machine of yours. I suspect this computer is built from different parts.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      Sorry to hear of your experience with SIDE 3.1. I really hope you fed this information back to the vendor. Most interesting information regarding the XE cases, anyway. I've certainly had a lot of machines through my hands which had mismatched upper and lower casings.

    • @robertplestenjak
      @robertplestenjak Před 11 měsíci

      @@flashjazzcat Yes I have (after your good advice on Atariage forums), but sadly received no answer whatsoever from Lotharek. O2 fixer is supposed to fix Atari's wait states (read: Side 3.1 hardware problems) but I don't feel inclined to test it out. I might, if this is overwhelmingly confirmed.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci

      @@robertplestenjak Regrettable. The SIDE3 concept is really great, but 'no answer' isn't really any kind of explanation. If it's any consolation, the promised 'O2 fixer' is the first solution offered to me by the vendor (other than using buffered Phi2, etc, which I frequently do anyway on other models, and replacing the RAM with the SRAM board, which I don't consider a realistic proposition for routine use of SIDE3). The 74F08 fix (which is effective in 9/10 cases) was suggested by a third-party on the forums, IIRC.

    • @flashjazzcat
      @flashjazzcat  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Fun fact: while debugging the loader this afternoon (to fix International Karate issues), I discovered that SIDE 3.2 also intermittently fails on this machine. :)

    • @opentheskyy7
      @opentheskyy7 Před 11 měsíci

      @@flashjazzcat I've just wrote that SIDE 3.2 will have problems on other motherboards. It is not possible to solve those problem in SIDE 3.x inside.

  • @rekeating1
    @rekeating1 Před 11 měsíci

    Hey, thank you. I had more hours of bliss on most Atari computers.
    I do remember my 130 came the same way. I remember because I thought it odd at the time