TOUGE Battle AMG A45 vs.SUBARU / Hot-Version 2017
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2020
- [ENTRY CAR]
SUBARU WRX STI Type S
Mercedes-AMG A 45 4Matic
[DRIVER]
DK Keiichi Tsuchiya
MAX Manabu Orido
NOB Nobuteru Taniguchi
[STAGE]
GUNMA CYCLE SPORT CENTER (GUNSAI) - Auta a dopravní prostředky
best car show ever! its all about the car’s performance. western car reviews would talk about the interior and how nice the apple car play is for hours. meanwhile, these guys would be like, touge battle!
Dont forget, pointless drag race
You are not gonna race everyday though
@@hybridAbsol depends,
Drag racing involves tremendous engineering as well
Which car reviews you watch? Must be a shit one
@@KIM-nc7ti Just who the hell do you think I am?
Thanks for the english subs!
Right it's a life changer
It's software
its funny how Tsuchiya gave both 97's. He knew the mercedes would win, but his heart was with the wrx
I would say that he took into consideration both Taniguchi's and Orido's arguments. He agreed the tire choice from the factory for the A45 was not as effective as the STi, but he also considered the performance they both gave, as well as the quality and characteristics of the cars. If you watch Orido's scoring he says the STi out-scored the A45 mostly because it's excellent bang for buck. You get 6 pots up front and supremely designed suspension and chassis along with a good tire choice from the factory, while the A45 was an overall more accommodating vehicle, with performance to match, but costs 3 million yen more, which isn't chump change.
Tsuchiya basically said performance wise they're basically identical, but it just depends how much you want to spend and what you expect out of the car. You can either say the STi is better because it's nearly as performant as the A45 for 3 million yen less (nearly 30k USD) or you can say the A45 is the more complete package because you get the performance of a STi (which is an excellent bar to set for yourself) but you still maintain the luxury fittings and ride quality.
The A45 they just released here in the U.S.A. could arguably have another leg up due to the A series Mercs having the newer MBUX system, which is one of the most advanced vehicle management/interactive systems in production, which pushes the technology gap between the two even further. But, you're going to pay some $$$$ for that tech. Overall, I'd say this is the most balanced race I've seen in this series aside from the Amuse S2k and the other one (I forgot the tuner's name, but it was several years back. An absolute epic battle that I think remains unresolved to this day).
@@ryanshannon7703 the FEED Fujita Engineering FD3S?
Thank you to whoever captions the English subtitles. I am forever grateful
they have a special place in heaven
Thank you for another video with subtitles 😍
Love the Hot Version Best Motoring ! Takes me back to the late 90s early 00s when we couldn't wait to get a new dvd release from these guys. DK, MAXX , Nob but where is Kazumi chan???????
Thank you for uploading this w/ english subtitles.
Japanese people are honest and professional, even though their own country's car has lost to the german they proceeded to showcase that, to the finest detail. Love this show and the people!
The WRX is a joke now, cant even outrun a Camry or Accord
@@hybridAbsol that was a wrx sti type s, not a wrx. lol. but yes, wrx sucks
@@sonofdemigod you should shut up instead. an accord 2.0t would smack a wrx.
Thank you for subtitles!
Please never stop doing English subs, I love whoever's doing them
Thanks for the English subtitles!
The a45 surprised me there. Didn’t knew it could corner that good!
Best car channel, thank you for tbe subtitles!
Thanks for subtitles!
WRX STI 6速マニュアルだけっていうのがいいなー かっこいいしセダンで人も乗る物も乗るし速いそれでA45より300万安いってのもすごい
Thanks for the English subtitles
Thanks for the english subtitles. I really enjoy hearing these guy's opinions about the STI. Apparently they also agree that the STI needs more power to stay competitive.
Doubt that, Japan car manufacturers could care less about racing nowadays
Stock vs Stock off the shelf
300 HP for a daily street car is MORE than enough. I have this car and I do not understand why anyone would need to mod this to make more unless you're racing it on the weekends.
@@hybridAbsol With everyone wanting "performance" SUVs it doesn't make sense to compete in the Sedan market anymore. It's a shame that the racing spirit is lost in cars nowadays. In favor of huge mommy cars with 300+ hp but no cornering ability.
Thank your for providing subtitles!
Thank you for the English subtitles 🍻
Another thanks for English subs, it makes this feel like Japanese Top Gear!
Top Gear is never this serious.. TG is an entertainment show with cars in it.
@@driveintherain yeah more on fun reviews
オリダーめっちゃ頑張ってくれてる笑
#10 driving lesson with these pro is a must
AMGは凄いですよ。私は旧型の後期モデルのCLA45AMGに乗ってますが381馬力は半端ない。前に乗ってたランエボより断然速い。
私も所有してましたが、なんかこのDCTは苦手でした
Thanks for the content
I know some1 already said it but thank you for the english subtitles!
You are the best! Greets from germany!
thanks for English subs!!!
12:36 TOTAL POINT 1- WRX STI: 97+97+95=289
2-AMG A 45: 97+95+94=286
Best car show and professional drivers really appreciate if it would b in english
ランエボが生産終了してから、WRXがなんか元気無くなって進化も止まった気がする。。。
I miss EVO...
@A A it didn't suck though. It sucks now, but it didn't then.
日本車スポーツのいいところは外車よりパワーは低いけど車重とかの分野でやんちゃスポーツを楽しめる所が良かったのになぁ
時代や需要は仕方ないけど変わっちゃって少し悲しい
ベンツって自称車好きの人達からあんま好かれてないイメージあるけど、やっぱりいい車だよね。
自称ってか結局人それぞれだからな
その言い方はあまりよろしくないぞ
今時貴重なマニュアル車だから、次の型でも絶対6速積んで欲しい。
I agree
Ja to chcę
ニュルのSP3Tクラスで長いこと頭はってて、その運動性能やエンジンに惹かれて背伸びして24歳のときにvabオーナーになった私としては心苦しいが、さすがメルセデスだな！
these TOUGE battles should have 10+ mill views
This new imprezza, Is beautiful 😍
I expected new technology to give lighter, more fun sports cars. But instead we have heavier, more powerful and bloated cars thanks to pedestrian protection laws.
i must be living under a rock. i didnt know they still did these
trust me, you are not alone
Thanks for the subs ❤️
速い遅い関係なくどっちも好き
respect to whoever doing the english subs! yeahhhh \m/
Subaru needs to push their risk curve and do some bold and out of the boundary stuff to revive the brand. (or is it the STI that need to man-up and fight against their finance department?)
My buddy has a 2016 CLA45 AMG, with a downpipe and a tune, it's an absolute monster that gives many V8s a run for their money, especially from a dig!
its definitely lots of fun with a larger downpipe and a remap.. :)
the sti is still a powerful car keeping it close to amg power. another 3 grand spent on bumping subaru power to 360ps would have made a world of difference.
lmao. no. sti lost by miles. if the amg had better tires, it would've outperformed the sti even more.
thanks for the show and subtitles (whoever does it). You are all the best =)
Waiting on subaru to put fa series in sti. Can’t wait much longer.
My favorite show in the world ❤️
サムネがカッコイイ…
Wonderful show
旧A45、今でも魅力的な車です。
M133エンジンのパワーほんとえげつないよ
現行のM139はもっとイカれてるし
M140i (f20) is very exciting car! I would have loved to see it in place of the Mercedes wich i don't like!
exciting but nothing to do with an AMG, come on ...
taniguchis daily drive is A45s
Great episode, just a detail - wrong sum of points for STI. 97 + 97 + 95 = 289 not 288 ;)
タイヤがイマイチでも速いんだから、A45恐るべし･･
Interesting. In the US, we would never compare these 2 because the STI is the fun manual sports car while the A45 AMG, well that's not really popular and being auto most car guys don't even care about it but it's great seeing it get attention in this video!
If you know how to drive manual and are proficient it's VERY difficult to want an automatic sports car. Takes away a lot of the skill and thrill of driving a sports car. Faster doesn't mean better nowadays when you're comparing 0.2 second differences in 0-60 times.
ミニジョングーパーワークスも試して欲しい
A45ＡＭＧとＧＲやりすみてみたいな
このクラスってかつて日本のお家芸だったんですけどね…
A45を筆頭にアウディRS3、ゴルフR、フォーカスRSと欧州車の独壇場になりました
ランエボが消滅してライバルが無いWRXじゃ張り合いが無いのかもね
ましてやWRCにも参戦してないから日本がこの分野で圧倒するのは厳しいんだろうな
元々、WRカーのレギュレーションが日本車潰しのルールとも言われています。そこに排ガス規制が駄目押しな上に車嫌いの益子前社長の舵取りによるランエボ終了も有ります。対する外車勢はイメージリーダーが必要と言う考え方が有るためスポーツモデルは必需品と言う考え方が有ります。但し、日本車と違い生活四駆が無いのでその分コストが上がり更にスペックが過剰になる傾向が有るので車両価格は高く手軽さは有りません。
@@user-xw1wh1ux6z 2005年くらいからのWRカー規定の変遷は本当に酷い。
量産車の工学的美点を競技に持ち込むという点において、ラリーはツーリングカーレース以上にこだわるべき本質であるのに、どんどん逆行していった。
露骨な縦置きEG潰し。
ヨーロッパ人の意地汚さを垣間見た。
No entiendo nada de lo que dicen, pero esta muy entretenido el canal, saludos desde america latina, mexico.
Pozdrowienia z Polski Lechistan
Would be interesting to see a modified WRX STI with similar power up against the A45 or any other AWD German competitors. In the UK motoring journalists have mostly written off the WRX STI as being underpowered and old fashioned compared to rivals. Subaru have given up selling it in the UK, probably due to massive popularity of German rivals here. It is well established the limits of the EJ207 so would be good to see if the chassis, drivetrain and electronics etc can compare when given a comparable amount of power. I wonder if perhaps the questionable reliability of the EJ held them back from putting more power in to it? Unfortauntely it feels that without a WRC car feeding the development the raw rally motorsports soul of it just isn't there and it can't compete in the days of sophisticated dual clutch gearboxes and electronics alongside strict emissions regulations etc. Hopefully the WRX STI doesn't go the way of the Evo but certainly seems that way, at least outside of Japan. Perhaps they are still selling well there? I hope so.
yeah im totakky agree with the statement, subaru needs to go back to its home WRC. hope FIA give some chance for subaru to back
What cars are you referring to in that segment against the WRX? Here in the states the only other options are a Golf R (more expensive) and the Focus ST (not as good)
Both cars are fast. But both have terrible understeers at the limit. Because of the nose heavy engine in the front.
Both cars have clever trick diffs to induce oversteer but that is just a show off “drift mode”. It doesn’t really improve the speed around corners.
A proper cornering car has to have at least 50:50 to 40:60 Front:Rear weight distribution
12:36点数間違えてます
WRX~97+97+95=289
Thanks for English subtitles, I’m sad and nostalgic seeing how European cars are taking huge advantage against JDM, I mean have you seen rs3, new a45amg or m2 ? I’m Waiting for a new powerful Subaru
i wouldnt hold my breath. subaru makes too much money doing other things anymore.
this wrx almost 30000 usd cheaper lol. very impressive for japanese cars to me
Japanese car focus has turned towards other, profitable interests than sports cars anymore. Not the fun and daring carmakers they used to be.
Subaru S209
Comparing cars in a different price bracket lol
メルセデスって凄いよな～と最近改めて思う。
デザイン（特に内装）もいいなって思うし、期待を裏切らない所有者を満足させる車を作ると感じる。
This. This is a true car show.
To be fair, hot hatch VS Sedan does give the advantage to the Mercedes in this case. Shorter distance between axels as well as probly lighter car overall, it`s all you need on such a course
From your comment, I concluded that you did not fully watch the video.
ウイング無しのVABもカッコいいな👌
177より176の方が好きです！
Next time out, let's do the AMG 45 4MATIC vs Impreza S203... IMHO, this will be an interesting head on, although one is more than 12 years old 😉 Nevertheless, good job to Subaru for making the VA Model a more well rounded car that's not just limited to the hardcore enthusiasts 🏆 Undeniably, AMG has also been exceptional in giving birth to the A45 AMG... It will go down in history books as one of EU's greats alongside the Peugeot 205 GTi, Lancia Delta Integrale & Audi Quattro from the yesteryears 🏆
The STI is stock. Needs a couple of upgrades and it would be a good match. Sway bars, stage 1 tune.
Sti and a45 are different class. Sti is hot hatch awd 300hp class sports car. A45 is super hot hatch 400hp class
日本車がなぜ勝てないのかは、単純にパワーだけではない。優秀なだけではAMGにはとても勝てない。
やはり絶対的なバランスの良さと言うか高さにあると思う。
エンジンだけパワーがあっても、シャーシがショボいと振らついて走れないし、シャーシが良くてもエンジンにパワーがないと車は遅い。
トータルバランスの絶対的な高さの違いが走りに出てると思う。
AMGはさすがにメルセデスを知り尽くしてるだけあって、ターボの効くタイミングからシフトまでの総合的制御がとても上手いと思います。
ドライバー意のままに走る車を作れるAMGは、伊達じゃない。
高いのはちゃんと理由がある車。
Coming here before watching im going wrx all day
After watching 😳
エディション1持ってきて欲しかったなー
新作で新型A45期待してます
現行A45更に速くなってそうですね😓
新型ヤリスをチューニングしたら五分じゃないでしょーか…日本のチューナーに期待です💨
最近のAMGは凄いです！
3:24 just gives me hard Wangan Midnight Vibes
Ari gatto video min ...thumb up
The sti loses on the gear changes. It goes to show how good it performs despite it having less power
I seen a few of AMG A45 here in Cali and I would not mind owning 1. Wicked little Thang and 😎
これこれ！これが見たかったんですよ！ありがとうございますー(๑ｰㅅｰ๑)
車重にめちゃくちゃ差はないし向こうはDCT、そして高性能四駆にとんでもないパワー出てる高級車ということを考えればWRXが健闘している。 高くなったとは言っても庶民が頑張れば買える価格帯でここまでの性能が出ているのはさすが日本車というべき。
Good lord I'd love to have an EJ207 in my STI rather than the EJ257 we get here in the states. That 8.2k redline!!!
どちらも楽しそうな車ですね。
WRXのコスパの良さ...。
AMG良い音だな
日本車はこういう音でないんだよねぇ
Foot cam wouldve been really cool!
Respectable sportsmanship from japanese guys when WRX was little bit lacking. Long live you japanese fellows.
The guy with the Haice Vr38 is here ☺️
Can we have the girl as driver, she might do insane time
コレなら、さらに良くなるであろう。現行インプレッサベースの、WRXSTIを楽しみにしています。
nice skills
Yes ..eng subs 👍
Eurobeat and the lil Cat girl...
This is Japan baby 🤤🤤🤤
A45て見た目大人しいけど、めっさ速いのね。最大トルク、トルクの立ち上がりも凄いな。WRXが直線で遊ばれてる感じがする。EJ20とは対照的なエンジンなんですね。
A45をこの動画で知ったのですか？
EJなんかの比じゃないです。
@@14mattiify
そりゃ300万円も高ければ比じゃないだろうね
中古は最終型のＳＴＩよりＡ４５の方が安くなってる。
@@user-mv8jn7cr8t 最近は若い子が中古でいいくらいに値段が落ちた外車乗ってる傾向です。逆に今は日本のスポーツカーはプレミアム付いてますからねー
The monster is not the car.
*it is the driver*
What will happen if that amg got manual stick and that sti was auto?
Now they should do the same with the A45S which has way better AWD and way better tires. :o
subaru must be an ej207 = red line 8,000 rpm = i just brought a ej207 RA spec C short block ! brand new - oh boy just wait. a nice road test and if subaru could get a 7 speed semi automatic transmission = now that would be fantastic with paddle shift on sti models !
In Vietnam, A45 might be cheaper than Wrx Sti.
I have lots of expectations from the FA24 engine - but Subaru needs to do is to develop a 3 to 3.5 L flat 6 engine for the STI. Something like a FA35 flat 6 would just turn the tables for the STI.
Lol that belongs to the Alcyone SVX
Added weight couldn't turn the table. That would destroy balance and reduce power to weight ratio. If power u need, More boost.
@@muhammadfirdauszainnalamir6259 Only a true enthusiast would appreciate this fact. You don't want to mess around with the balance of this car.
That AMG feels like a civic type-r