Jonas Vingegaard Dispels the Doubts | Tour de France 2024 Stage 2 | THEMOVE
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- This Tour de France was filled with question marks on the form on Jonas Vingegaard and his ongoing recovery. Today Tadej Pogacar launched his first test and Jonas was the only rider in the Peloton to answer. Although this years tour has started in Italy, the French already have two wins.
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The intro BS stops @6:30
2nd ad-break and small talk: Jump from to @24:19 to 34:19
FWIW, it's pretty much over @41:25
You're welcome.😉
Thanks!
Thanks! It's actually ridiculous that pretty much 50% (23 minutes!) of this show is just plain BS. The disrespect towards the viewers is insane 🙆♂
Thanks - way too many ads and too much small talk.
Thanks for heads up!
you're a legend sir!
Jonas was interviewed by Danish television, asked about the downhill - I’ve been training downhill to overcome any fear.
I've seen a lot of comments today of people asking if this was a Pog's full attack or not. But you know what I saw? I truly didn't notice Jonas was going 100%, wasn't out of air or struggling in any way following him and he even went ahead of Pog and worked with him. Jonas actually looked very relaxed. So, take into consideration that Jonas certainly wasn't going full gas.
my feeling aswell, if pogi attacked early on the climb i think jonas maybe could have tried after the steep part, but i do think that pogi has lost like a few % in explosiveness, to be a few kg lighter, i feel like we saw that on the last stage of catalunya aswell, that his punch this year is a little less strong.
Jonas is a real superstar!
Psywarfare... is part of the sports
I was in ICU for 22 days last year... my legs STILL hurt today from the muscle loss in those 22 days. Sure, i am no sporting legend but what Vingegard is showing is pure magic to me.
Magic is one way to describe it......
@@WerdnaLiten The magic of Rabobank
Depends on injury. If you’re older, heavier and less fit then you’ll take longer to recover.
You are not JV, that's why...u can't compare urself to a top athlete with all medical supports from his country and people...
Dude, you obviously didn't get the right doctor. Maybe you should try Jonas doctors. I partly blame visma and Jonas for not sharing these doctors for everybody who face same kind of injuries.
The amount of ads for a 30 min podcast is crazy. Ruins the flow of the show and the conversation
It's utterly absurd. And then all the digressions about nothing. This podcast fell off bigtime.
All the best podcasts on CZcams. Car world too. Annoying, but it's everywhere.
Literally, half the pod is filled with ads. You can skip 3 minutes and ads will still be going on
I watch just for the ads actually.
All the internet is not as it was 10+ years ago. It is 100% business now. We have to options, 1)adds that interrupt the "show" and 2)adds made by those making the "show".
Option 3 is get a good book and read!
I still enjoy THE MOVE and appreciate their work.
Based on Strava, both Pogi and Remco beat Woods’ previous KOM on San Luca. Woods did 5:24 in 2023, Remco did 5:17 today, Pogi 5:06 @ 21.7km/h. Greetings from Slovakia :)
And Jonas did the fastest time when he had reacted and closed the gap. Fastest ascent on San Luca.
"I'm not from Ecuador......in fact, I don't even know where it is!" 🤣
lance is right about not having pros at the olympics (in any sport).
So ignorant
@@marianacadenaignorant, arrogant and stupid
Btw, Remco DID loose, 2 1/2 kg´s for the Tour. He looks so firm and ready to this. Cheers from Denmark.
Great podcast! Switched to LMNT because of you guys. Love it, still riding hard at 69. Thankful for every ride. Keep up the good work. Very informative!
Carapaz spoke out against Ecuadorean federation immediately after his gold medal and embarrassed the federation on an international stage. Only Ineos supported Carapaz at the last Olympics and Carapaz was pissed. He called out the Federation for only supporting football/soccer. Fast forward 4 years and the federation carried a grudge. The federation changed its point scoring for Olympic qualification at last minute to support Narvaez who has a close relationship with the federation. It was 100% political and likely retaliation for Carapaz’s post-Olympic interview. (I have lived in Ecuador for 24+ months over last 15 years and am married to an Ecuadorean who returns often).
I do believe you straight away. But on the otherside... Have you looked at the parcours of the Olympics ? What's Carapaz gonna do there ?!?! The choice for Narvaez is quite logic to be honest, since he can at least win a sprint of a small group of favourites... And that is what we can expect... a sprint with guys like Pedersen, van der Poel, van Aert... The parcours is more for the classic type of riders, and although Carapaz is a great rider, we do not see him compete for a win in the Amstel Gold Race for example....
Thus the choice for Narvaez is not that strange, he does have far more chance to score a good result than Carapaz on this parcours....
Id only reply to that saying Narváez may be a better choice but has never had a result in a race over 210 km. He is better at E3 than in monuments. He may still be better but is an unknown at 260km.
@@markhardman2524 yeah sadly he crashed out of Ghent-Wevelgem while being in a great position this year... It is also there that he scored his best result so far in a 250km race (13th)...
But we must also admit that until this season he has mostly been working for others in most classics... He's never been the captain in any of the classics for team Ineos, thus it is indeed a bit hard to make a judgement on that. ✌
Great points. If you didn’t see the full tactics in last Olympics, rewatching it you’ll see that Remco’s over aggression left Wout without support over the top of the last climb. Carapaz showed incredible patience and won. Narváez at Giro showed same sort of maturity and patience on stage 1 of the Giro. They are both capable riders.
You're absolutely right about him speaking out about getting no support from Ecuador to go to the Olympics. And the federation's grudge against Carapaz goes back to years ago when they suspended him from competing because he had a beer after a race. It's a real shame that politics get in the way of a national hero defending his gold medal. Carapaz was only the second person in all of Ecuador's history to win a gold medal.
Vingegaard, my hero…. 🚴♂️
We will know more in Stage 4 going up Galibier who can stay on Pogi and Vingo.
@@EITiga for sure. How do you think it plays out?
Surely Galibier is very hot 🔥 added with very long descend. I think Pogi will test Vingo again and the rest or else he will attacked 100%.
@@EITiga gonna be a great stage! Wonder who tries to go first or if they will have to respond to someone else going and get a chance to counter!
It is just Pogi waiting for Vingo to attack then he will counter it. Surely Pogi will have an advantage over it. Pogi must tranquil himself. But Vingo must stay on Pogi in the near distance before ITT in the end in Nice.
@@EITiga Pogi doesn't like the heat, Jonas likes it. More heat means better for Vingegaard.
Normally Jonas Vinggaard prefers longer climbs than Tadej Pogacar, but after that crash the question is to know how Jonas will perform on those longer climbs! On stage 4 even if doesn't finishes at the top, the col du Galibier will show how everyone is!!!
This is very true. Very big question mark for later on. He might be as good on the explosions, but he might not recover as well as before the crash.
And on another note: Pogacar absolutely tested Jonas on the downhill to see if Jonas might hesitate a little, and he absolutely didn't. Jonas didn't seem scared at all and he even looked to cut some corners faster than Pogacar.
But I agree: The fact that Jonas looked his old self on this small climb was not an indicator that he is also as strong on the long climbs. AND even more important: Will he be as strong on MANY long climbs in several days in a row, which is where he is usually the best in the world?
Plenty of questions still unanswered.
Remco so skinny, tadej shoulders look like a bodybuilder in comparison. No cap.
Thats bonestructure you fool… have you seen The size of Remcos biceps? He looks like Lance in 04
Thanks for sharing the fun. The race highlights are great, but I like it when you open up about your life and make me laugh.
I Told you Vingegaard was More than ready because i saw him in Glyngøre Denmark where he live.he fool all
Good for you, but he hasn't been in Danmark for the last month, since he was at altitude camp in Tignes since the end of May. 😉✌
@18:50 - Carapaz jumped immediately after Pogi/Jonas - but didn't have the snap to get to them.. but it took him clear of the group. This is clearly visible - you see the EF jersey somewhere in between at one point... Remco must have joined him by the top of the climb. Actually, Rogla was already dropped (at least 4-5 bike lengths) off the back of the Yates pulled peloton just prior to Pogacar attack.
Fantastic show fellas!!
Tale of three team buses. This is the only place to get this insight. Great job.
The race had started only 2 days ago, let's see how it will be in the 15 ,17 km climbs and then around the 14th stage that will be the first finish in the top of the mountain and also after the ITT on 7th stage we will see how it goes for all of the 4 horsemen!!!
Pura vida guys 👍 greetings from Costa Rica
Love you guys!!!
Man this is just great entertainment I'm going to watch the during the whole tour fantastic 😂
On stage 4 nobody will win the tour ,but a couple of riders could already lost it !
Hey, Jason Halberstadt here, that 7-Eleven junior that used to show up in Texas and school Lance when he was 15. And I am from Ecuador. Yes, it's just south of Colombia. And you're right about it being different here. Carapaz was only the second gold medalist in all history from Ecuador, so it is a huge deal to him and the country. Cheers bros...
Brilliant podcast
Let's not forget that the last stage of the tour will be a ITT with 34 km which includes a category 2 climb ,and that after more than 3500 km on their legs!!!
6:30 🚀
Thanks
also 30:13
30:20
Vino rode with Poggi because they were putting time into Roglic and Ayuso and Almeda. I think the riders on UAE are super strong but it's the wrong team for this race. UAE should have brought Micha and Grobschartner, proven domestiques, who aren't thinking "I could make the podium."
UAE are very dissapointing to be honest.... Ayuso did already have a very hard time yesterday and was almost dropped when Tratnik of all people was pacing the peloton... Pollit and Wellens dropped early today while they did no work... And Yates could not pull longer than half a km...
Yesterday UAE stopped pacing because they where blowing up their own riders....
Before the Tour started I was convinced that UAE could get Ayuso, Yates, Pogacar and maybe Almeida in the top ten of the final GC... After two stages I do only see Pogacar and maybe Yates do this...
But it is hard to say at this stage... It has been very hot the last two days, and these were hills and no real mountains.... A five minute uphill effort is completely different than a 45 minute uphill effort of course....
We'll see what will happen, so far I am super happy that Jonas is back and that we will have battle this Tour. Problem for Pogacar is that Jonas can even keep up in these hilly stages which should be Pogacar his speciality... Thus if he can't drop Jonas in these kind of stages, I do not see where he is gonna win any time..
19 more stages full of fun and excitement to go ❣💯
@@swissbiggy36-37c is a real problem though. Some guys can’t deal with that heat. Everyone is different. Dunno. Let’s see. Jonas doesn’t have the same team so he’s not gonna have as easy a ride this year. UAE needs like one more rollieur
Congratulations for your birthday George 🎂👌
Richie looking strong, love his chances for podium. GO EF GO
One of the best moments of your career was when Miguel Indurain lapped you in the time trial at the Tour de France, really showcasing your talent…
😮
Amazing that people watch a free podcast video with this cast and QQ about their need for sponsors and ad time
Im not from Ecuador, but i like this podcast and the ads are easily ignored if im not in the mood to hear LA discuss salt, nutrition, zwift, and stuffs
Ps i hope Ecuador wins gold 🥇
Pog was 7+wattts/kg in that attack and took the KOM on the climb. That was no rope-a-dope. UAE is wide-eyed for sure.
Lasted about 10 seconds though. Hard to gather much information from that. Stage 4 will show more about each persons form
We got access to data? :)
Jeez, I am so out of tutch. I have no clue what you just said there. KOM, rope-a-dope and wide-eyed? What?
Most people won't even check Gianetti's and Matxins history.
Also Cycling Highlights, one of the best channels on the tube
I love the TDF, but you guys covering it makes it a million times more enjoyable. Keep doing what you guys do! Let's go Pogi!
Jonas said "lets go" to Pogi and they both wanted to put time into 3rd and all GC.
If Rogic is death by 1000 cuts…
Pogi is suicide by 1000 breakaways…
He runs too many sprints in a marathon.
Yet keeps doing the same formula expecting a different result…
I spit out my Gatorade all over my room when JB made that 23 & me joke
Well thank ya. I get one in every now and then. Thanks for listening. jb
@21:47 Lance blew his attempt to quote the 'I Love Lucy' show.😂
Great show
Drop the teaser guys
Lance is such a dork at expressing himself. Hi mind is going in multi directions but he has a hard time taking his audiance with him. Even his compadres say wtf are you talking about. To be fare when he was racing, it was the opposite - He astounded everyone.
I'm weirdly curious to hear what hertage Lance has. Let's hear it tomorrow! don't forget the results againn Lance!
I really expected pogi and roglic to dual it out again on the circuit but i certainly did not think jonas would stick with pogi. i figured jonas would be the one losing 20 second. but after today i call into question whether or not pogi can beat Jonas. jonas's lack of training means either he cracks or rides himself intto shape. . . not that there are any other choices to choose from. But after today i think that its the latter. pogi has more racing in his legs so maybe that will dog him later in the tour the way they say doing the double will. idk but after today jonas is a boss
Fun show
I think more than ever (recently anyway) this tour is a battle of the team doctors. Whoever has the best medical science wins this one 🙏🏻
"I'm not......from Ecuador!" LOL
with today's actions, regardless of what happens, Vingo is amazing... everyone should not forget the very nasty accident... so this is a remarkable story... already written. most probably, he will not win... but pogy, for sure, is a scare of that guy
When a person announces he is sick but actually on a serious training, you believe on that?...then you will be frustrated...ha ha ha .. see how JV is relaxed compared to Pogacar....the latter seems to be worrying....
2022 the tour started in Denmark
Let's go primoz!
Pog is a lot smarter than he was last year he’s not sprinting for 15th he’s staying safe
Jonas came to fight
When you say "it's mindblowing" do you mean we all know the science on laying flat in hospital for 12 days and cycling has never been sus as this year? Or what would mindblowing mean?
Regarding Lance's comments concerning the banning of iv rehydration during the TDF there is another very effective option: PROCTOLYSIS - the administration of fluids rectally. The Macy Catheter is one of several devices that has been designed for this purpose. Perhaps some teams are already administering fluids this way.
Awesome show! Funny, entertaining and informative! Loving it! See you tomorrow! 😍🙌
Pura Vida!
"Lucy! You got some 'slpainin' to do!"
Jonas said he'd been doing extra work practicing his downhill riding skills during his preparations for the tour.
Ecuador is. . .on the equator!!!!
Arkea B&B is a World Tour team. They don't need to be selected. Their place is guaranteed in any World Tour race in the ICU calendar.
Tadej went into the tour last year fresh out of surgery the way Jonas is this year. Maybe Tadej today was willing to work with Jonas remembering how he felt last year. If that’s the case it will be interesting to see how he rides against Jonas moving forward.
On the San Luca climb is Michael Woods still owN the KOM on Strava? He did it in 5’25”
Remco mentioned he lost 1.5 kilograms or so before the tour
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Which podcast doesn't do that? And I have learned of good products from those .
These things don’t pay for themselves y’know.
You want content, you can put up with advertisements or pay for other types.
@@cincydooley stick around for the end. They offer discounts for a Vaginal douche cleanse.
Thank god for the Fast Forward Button. On the other hand, building a studio in Aspen and stocking the wine cellar with George's wine ain't cheap!!!!
just a reminder for mi queridisimo JH. Quintana give to ARKEA a lot of points so the got up there massively thanks to him... them turned the back to him...
hello, do you have any cheap robot vacuums?
Why Lance in a heavy sweatshirt and George and JB in tshirts, for the second day...whassup with that??
Wout did not look good after that crash. Aerial shot, never seen him look so bad on a climb rocking the bars back and forth.
@@onemad.targaryen.rages.respect 3 of their riders have gone down already. Might take a toll later in the tour
Wout is absolutely fine, don't worry.... He did already tell the Belgian press before the start that he would let himself drop on the second time of the San Luca climb.... That's not his terrain and has never been his terrain... That's why you will never see him compete in the Fleche Wallone for example where they finish on the Mur of Huy... And the San Luca climb is almost twice as long as the Mur of Huy....
After the stage the Belgian press asked him how he was doing, and he has no injuries, he didn't lose any skinn and everything is okay. During the stage he did already give the thumb up, in sign that everything is okay...
Sorry too many ads compared to everyone else… Ill not comeback!
Outrageous that they don't make it for free for you. Do you have to pay for food or is that free as well. Electricity free, gas free I want everything for freeeee😭😭😭
It gets going at around 6 mins if anyone's wondering 😂
Let's not forget that Pogi went in stage 1 of the Giro on a sort of similar climb (short, steep) and Narvaez was able to follow him. And even O'Connor, who later dropped, but this time Pogi went a bit later than in the Giro, only 300 meters before the top. Then in Oropa we already saw that nobody was able to follow Pogacar and later in the Giro he started putting minutes into all the others. So I would suggest that this little climb means little to nothing. All I would say is that it is impressive that Jonas was able to follow Tadej on a climb that suits Tadej more, and it is worrying that Roglic wasn't able to follow them or Remco, BUT this means little to nothing when they are gonna go up the Galibier on Tuesday.
The falls Visma keeps taking might start to add up. Curious who they will have left in the train on Galibier.
Omg…lucy - ricky reference…
Pogi acceleration always immaculate but jonas looks more fast twitch this year already🤔. Can he sustain the high mountains tho without sepp? 😬
Jonas has acknowledged that Pogi is a more explosive rider. What stood out to me today is how Jonas responded to Pogi’s attack. Not every time, but many times Jonas responds to accelerations by staying in the saddle and pulling them back with a heavy, but gradual effort. Today he was immediately out of the saddle and answered with explosiveness of his own. Very surprising. Pogi and UAE may have downplayed it in their comments after the stage, but I’m guessing that they expected to have put some measurable time into Jonas after two stages.
@@pablozee6359agreed but each only had about 10 seconds of acceleration before climb ended. Typical Pog moves last longer and often times twice. Impressive Jonas kept the wheel tho I guess.
@@pablozee6359Jonas is very analytic and has worked on his weaknesses
Hold your horses, today was much too short to say Jonas can stay with Pogi all the time…but it was nevertheless very promising🇩🇰😁
@@TheMikkster Honestly I have never seen Pog really dropping Jonas, I mean REALLY dropping him. Can you mention any instances where he has completely leave Jonas out of sight and Jonas couldn't reach him again?
Its obvs Lance dont have much respect or love for Jonas, like so many other people into cycling, just because he is shy and modest in his personality, the fast they started accusing him of epo last year is appalling, its not in Jonas nature, he is from the rough west coast on Jutland fisherman area, where people express themselves through their actions, not their mouth like Lance loved to do. Anyway keep bashing him until he is in Paris with yellow jersey
George wearing Richard Mille?
I was just Googling that!! LMAO! Richard Mille RM 65-01 Automatic Split-Seconds Chronograph ???? JB let us know pls
I don't think one should read too much into Pog not being able to distance Jonas on this stage, other than showing that Jonas is not completely uncompetitive as many were speculating he could have been.
Does the pink Cadillac mean EF is sponsored by Mary Kay?
Nice watch, anyone know the brand George is wearing? curious
Looks like a Richard Mille
😂
@@michaelnabielec6888 Thought as much, he's doing okay :-)
Ecuador is bigger than GREAT BRITAIN (but smaller than Texas)
Jonas was 12 days at the hospital….
goooooooooooodddddddd
Thats right the garmin tells you hpw steep is the turn
He attacked with 400m to the top with 7% incline :) dont make it like it was a mountain attack
I don’t understand why he went so late tbh.
Probably didn’t go earlier cause he couldn’t pull it off.
@@archdukeMTB This was indeed no mountain but just a 300 meter high hill.... The difficulty of this hill is not the length (1.9km) but the double gradients...
Jonas is a bike animal. Period.
Tomorrow? Fabio!
Your podcast WEDO is for me the best in terms of objective reporting within professional cycling...
I follow you because of your experience, an experience that makes your statements convincing and above all more objective...
nevertheless, I am struck by your speechlessness, that is to say, speakless...
Do you really believe that Jonas would have taken part in the Tour if he had not believed in his own optimal preparation?
Do you really believe Jonas' injuries were really as bad as reported from the Visma team?
Do you really believe the rider from the Visma team who said he would never bet on Jonas winning?
We live in a time and place that is dominated, that is, manipulated by the media, whose trust is broken....
which is why ordinary people increasingly trust podcasts more than the corporate-controlled media...
Jonas killed his first domestics today... Jorg and Art
how many have been slaughtered by Tadej, Remko, Primus?????
It's a long road to Nice.....keep on going...we do move
You are very ill informed
Lol informed by who? The lying media?
Do you know something or are you not another ill informed?
Ridiculous comment.
Not having Lance talk to you for 3 months: Wonderful!!😂
You got that right. Love JB, love Johan, love George . . . Lance sucks.
And yet, here you are.
You’re both losers.
Yeah, ill informed, having weird rants... just embarrassing.
The Sparkling LMNT is great after a ride. I use LMNT all the time.
Lance…the “goat”!
22:40 lmao
There is more ads than actual podcast...
39:56 map 😂
Foxes in charge of the hen house podcast....hahaha
the fact that Lance doesn't know Narvaez... I can't take him seriously
It was 100% short attack from Pogačar, Jonas preparation is excellent, Remco is great to, Roglič still sleeping but is close too (I believe he doesn't wonder how good he is but thinking about how to race on 110%), the rest of the riders are willing to race like on one day classics at full gas, so we can prepare to enjoy TDF now.
Several days before the race started, Eurosport showed footage of stages of TDF 2023, where it is clearly shown that Jonas won not because he dominated but because Pogačar collapsed, which is the opposite of the general belief that Jonas dominated TDF 2023. Jonas will be a rider just like last year, unlike Pogačar, who is perfectly prepared, but he will have to be careful not to repeat old mistakes, such as attacking and pulling Jonas behind him. The tactic will be crucial, and Visma is in advantage over all teams in this art, even more with the new technological advancement of analyzing the course of the race from TV broadcasts. I don't know how many of you understand what this means for the future of cycling races, artificial intelligence is already so strong in predicting and adapting optimal tactics every second with the quality input data, that it can completely automate the race, and the data that Visma acquires with this "broadcasting data scraping" make this possible! I wrote about this technology on this channel exactly one year ago during the TDF, but for the needs of the fans behind TV screens, not for the needs of the sports directors. The problem is that you can't prevent the usage of this technology for private use, so I can already predict that at the next TDF edition the riders will race completely without radio communication, it will be a nice welcome back to the origin of racing! More on the dimensions of this Visma AI-dope technology later during the race, if there will be a talk of this topic.
Lance who are u such a Remco hater🤣 lighten up Remco will podium this tour mark my words
Stage 4 Tadey Victory yellow throughout book it
On Evenepoel: There are two time trials this year. And Tadej has the GIRO in his legs (plus COVID in his lungs). Don't write off Evenpoel just yet.
Totally agree! Remco made a tactical error today by being too far back in the group to be able to respond quick enough to the Tadej attack. But his chase was really impressive without any pull from Carapaz, at least not on TV footage.
Who is writing him off? And I"m sorry: COVID in the lungs (totally dumb one, dude).
@@freddyjisp6452not really
This is not worth watching without Johan, and who wants to watch Johan talk only to this JB guy in the other one, makes no sense
Works for me. More detail.
Tadej should have sat up after the attack failed to work. I feel like he burns matches when there is little to gain. It will eventually be a 2 man race again. Wait until Jonas has ridden multilple hard days and then go for it. Just my 2 cents