The Showdown Between Pogačar and Vingegaard Begins | Tour de France 2024 Stage 2 | JB2
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Johan and JB analyze Stage 2 of the Tour, highlighting Jonas Vingegaard's impressive performance. While not quite matching Tadej Pogacar's level yet, Vingegaard shows great potential and is poised to progress further in the ongoing Tour. Johan also presents intriguing insights about the current Polka Dot Jersey leader and offers information on Remco Evenepoel's preparations.
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Great insight and analysis. Straight shooters. It’s about the riders and the race without insufferable narcissism.
You always learn stuff when you hear Johan, great episode both of you!
Looks today like Vingegaard was sandbagging everyone. It’s still a long 3 weeks so we’ll see about Jonas but Remco Evenepoel was pretty impressive as well.
It seemed to me Jonas countered pretty easily, more than some attacks from last years race. It might not have been an all out attack, but it was strong enough to leave the rest of the peloton behind, so, it must have been pretty hard
I love listening to Johan and his analysis of things. He was right that Bardet would lose yellow today too. All the announcers hosting the TDF on Peacock thought he would keep yellow, including George Hincapie on the Move yesterday. Only Johan thought otherwise, and he was dead on.
Johan is a brilliant man…so insightful. .
Love the show guys. So looking forward to the next 3 weeks. Thank you fellas!
This is an excellent show, please keep doing it after every stage!
That bottle grab the first time up San Luca was for sure a tactic to check how people react knowing that they would have opportunity for the same the second time around
Loving this format. Thank you guys. Cannot wait for stage 4!
I kinda understand why the separated shows this year between themove and JB2 during the tour. But frankly, the content in Jb2 is what I look for in themove, especially during the tour…Anyway, wondering about Rog…
Yes. I like Lance and George, but it’s obvious they only follow pro cycling from a distance. They really don’t know any of the riders, besides the more familiar ones. Especially Lance.
Great show JB2 and you both looked great! Loving this tour and see you tomorrow! ❤
Jay Vine was the worst affected by the crash but no one talks about it.
Did you listen to him on the domestiques podcast?
I’m all about the small details, for example the ending.. and Johan fills in that info nicely 🙌🏼
I liked this insight and the opinions you shared, so much racing ahead! 🎉
A great analysis, keep up the good work guys!
Great info show JB2
JB, everyone keeps saying that Jonas will only get stronger as the race goes on. However it seemed like Tadej did not have the strength last year in the final week of the tour, and last year he was injured before the race. If that is true, how can Jonas have enough in the tank for the last week or so of the tour after his injuries? No one seems to be talking about that. If Jonas's body is still recovering from injury, It seems logical that at some point he will run out of gas, or lose more over the tour than the healthy riders, making him vulnerable.
At some point, Jonas's body will exerting no extra resources towards damage recovery and all for performance recovery
The team and doctors have always said that perhaps Jonas' biggest strength is how fast he physiologically recovers. That is one reason why people expect him to get stronger over time. The other is that his body is probably still recovering from the injuries a bit. Over time that should also be better. But of course the unknown is whether his form is deep enough to handle a long race. We don't know that.
After a crash like that on the 4 of April, 14 days at intensive care unit, doesn't had competition since, and in the end he could win this tour ,man ,that will be huge ,out of this world!!!
Great show ❤
Great show and love the insight Johan brings to it - keep up the good work. At one point JB was comparing the strengths of the Visma and UAE teams but also conceded that it wasn't just a team numbers game. When Pogacar won the Tour in 2020, Jumba Visma were by far the strongest team, yet often Pogacar would simply use Jumba Visma as a surrogate team riding with them / using them. He did get caught out once when he wasn't shadowing Jumba Visma by crosswinds and lost a minute or so. Had it not been for this, the win over Roglic would have been even bigger.
Johan is the most knowledgeable person comes cycling
Great to see that both of you lost weight and look great
Ha. thanks for noticing. Both of us are down quite a bit
Jonas Abraahamsom has already 28 years old! This season he is doing a very good season so far, remember that his team is only Pro -continental and this is their 2nd time in the tour de France, so far he's performing very well, this teams objectives are also to show themselves to the world, their sponsors and their riders. This Norwegian team also exists to provide a chance to Norwegian riders who other way couldn't be on a stage like the tour de France!
KOM 5.05 and some people still suggest it wasn’t all out.
Remco's team doesn't have the firepower to control breaks throughout a long difficult stage
Roglic lost time today is not good. I expected to see him up there with Jonas/Tadej, especially he has won on this climb 4x (3 Giro Amelia and Giro ITT). I can't figure out if he lost because of his position also plus bad leg, or he was just lacking overall? I saw he wasn't in 5 riders upfront, So I was hoping his cumulative dropped is because he was on the limit and compounded by he was out position. Still, not a good start morally. Especially with a blockbuster transfer and his debut with his team were disaster. There's no aura of "certainty" like when he was riding with VL. He wasn't as sparkling as he used to be. I hope he would bounce back on stage 4. After all, his nickname is Mr, Miracle Bounce Back Man.
Btw VL got so many bad luck after a very sucessful last year, .. probably because their lucky charm (Roglic) has left the team...🤣🤣.. He has been taking the crash for the team, Now.. he wasn't there.. everyone crashing all over the place.. LOL
EXCELLENT show guys! Glad to see Jonas doing well... and better than most of us expected... but it's still early... Hoping he keeps improving his form... It does appear that we are going to get the TdF we were hoping for... The "Big 4" all look to be in the game... My 2 cents worth... I think, that along with Jonas's good form, the heat has kept Tady from trying to light up Jonas and the field... Can Visma possibly keep their riders off the tarmac at any race this year!!? Good gosh... Sepp, Kruijy and van Baarle aren't even at the Tour... and the top three they do have, are scrapped up by day 2! GUYS! RUBBER SIDE DOWN! Digging Matty J!
Where can we listen to Outcomes? And will Spencer be joining post-stage analysis? Thx
outcomes is now in the move audio feed. It's gaining traction rapidly so we will consider video on this channel
Top 5 would be a win for Evenepool. Finishing top 5 in the tour at his age would be great. I hope he doesn't have a collapse stage this time and ends up outside of top 10 even.
Great show but where is Outcomes? This is not featured under WEDU YT page.
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I actually think i prefer JB2, you learn so much
Pogi doesn't even want the yellow on this early stage.
Johan keeps amaze JB on his story telling on his deep cycling knowledge. That's why Lance got him as his director.
TOUR 24 is two races: For the win between Vingegaard and Pogacar - and a race for third amongst the rest.
Johan eres el mejor
As we saw on stage 2, Jonas is a great puncheur also on shorter steep climbs. He just usually doesn't bother with those races. I hope he starts caring later. Probably if he wins TdF a couple more times he will start caring about these more. Would be very interesting. He could beat most there. Pogacar will be the main problem still.
Do you think that Remco can try to attack and leave a gap to Tadej & Jonas today? I mean TT mode and these guys won't expect it? If someone can make a gap on flat it is Remco?
UNNOTICED: Wilco Keldermann supposedly will ride Giro or Vuelta last year and this year with his team initially plan but Steve Kruijswijk keeps crashing on Dauphine. He is just a good teammate and always ready when Jonas needs him. Hat's off 🤠
Yes it was not good for Roglic to lose time. But who will chase when he does. That’s if Pogacar and Jonas henchman have been dropped. There is also a scenario where Roglic attacks and either Jorgensen or Adam Yates sits on his wheel and Roglic takes to the line and Jorgensen or Yates steals the jersey. So many what ifs left
I wonder how Remco lost that weight so fast without compromising his power 😮
Obviously, no one can give better insights than a DS that was a Tour winner... masterclass!
Bruyneel is not a Tour winner - he was nothing special as a rider really😂
@@TheMikkster read more carefully, DS that was a Tour winner
@@zikaperic2133 huh? Lance was the Tour winner😵💫
The absence of Sepp Kuss was visually apparent today...Visma clearly short a climber
i worry jonas is gonna run away with this but jonas said he had 6 weeks to prepare so how is this possible? jonas had as dominant a start to the year as tadej until he crashed but how can he ride this well with 6 weeks training?
Im not sure his real injuries and how long he was actually in the hospital etc
The time in hospital is well know - 12 days
12 days in the hospital. Broken ribs, broken collarbone, broken shoulder blade, punctured lung and blood in his lung. It takes hard work and determination to arrive like this at the tour. You can only be impressed by Vingegaard.
I feel like if Jonas was as confident as last year he would not have helped Pogacar to try and distance the group.
Let's see if in the 15 ,18 km climbs he still be able to follow, after that we could say that Jonas Vinggaard could win this tour!!
There is no way that Jonas is as strong as Poggi right now, but he is just going to get stronger and stronger. Pogacar needs to win this race in the first week or he might lose it in the third.
Precisely. This was Day 2 and while up to 10% gradient it was a short climb. Even Jonas admits that.
These short climbs are more suitable for Pog. And Jonas might be able to put some time on the long ones. The two TT may the crucial for them.
And I will finally ask. WTF is he on?
We need to realize that Visma must have been lying about the severity of injuries. There is no way you have a punctured lung and this is you in 2 months.
It was a short climb early. Neither were going full gas except for a short attack and cover by Jonas. Tadej knows this is going to be a slog to the finish and it was just a test. Jonas passed the test. The "shit" is wearing yellow whether he wants it now or not. UAE is waiting for consecutive days in the mountains and saving the team early. Tadej sat up and made Jonas go first on the downhill. Seeing if Jonas is sketched out on the descents after the big crash earlier in the season.
I think the body produces its own ketones but only when glucose deprived. KEEP IT NATURAL.
The last thing you'd want to do in a Tour de France is getting into ketosis. The riders desperately need those glycogen stores full. That's where exogenous ketones come in,
I drink acetone straight from the can.
@@johnnycab8986 Dude! you're doing it wrong and missing out! Dump the Acetone and go straight for the MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone)! A MUCH better way to ketone up... 😎
Y'all don't actually think TP was pushing it? He wasn't close to 100%..
Jay Vine crashed the worst at Basque Country (to my knowledge).
Domestiques Podcast interviewed him recently.
What I saw today. Pogacar helping Jonas gain some confidence, wants an even playing field. Pogacar is a special kind of rider.
Get Pogacar's ass out of your face and you might be able to see more.
Ayuso and Almeida have done diddly squat .... and we not good today. Jorgenson was better than both of them...but I think he needs to be rested as much as possible for the high mountains as no Kuss
What you mean Remco is a bit too big for a grand tour? He is shorter and lighter than Tadej and Jonas
No he’s not
No one is lighter than V:)
Ok, not sure about the weight, but shorter for sure, he is 1,71m vs 1,75 and 1,76.
how can you not love remco
Jonas looks too good to be true
Jonas maybe worse on the downhill rather than the uphill on stage 4
Jonas normally is actually quite good on descents.
Jonas is doped to the gills
! Jonas is just unik.
What a load of 🐴 💩… two stages in Jonas has passed the test and now uae are a bit worried of Jonas …. Stop blowing smoke 💨 up the Dane’s hoop …
Mumrah
Boring Vingegaard. Visma "special sugar" is giving him power.
Well this early as far as Jonas goes remains to be seen. He's definitely a 🪰. How bad did Wout get it. Primos?? Tadej should dump the jersey. 👍🏻🚵♀️🇨🇵💯
Having JB would help a lot of teams becoming much better..🫡