The Cities & Towns of Caesar's Legion (Arizona, Colorado, & Beyond)
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Fallout Lore: Today we explore the little known lands of Caesar's Legion within Arizona, New Mexico, along with parts of Colorado and Utah. - Hry
Will the show use the Legion? How might they be used/displayed going forward?
Honestly I doubt it. At most we’ll get a few references from some characters who are living in Vegas but they won’t be even a minor focus. The Brotherhood of Steel, Vault-Tec, the NCR, and to a lesser extent the Enclave are all the focuses of the show.
@@ShimmyFr I swear if they say the Legion is just a bunch of raider groups now i'll be crushed.
@@nvRanger I don’t think the writers want anything to do with the Legion so that’s pretty possible tbh.
They might leave some remnants of armor or tattered flags here or there along the trail & even a raider gang from the few who remained after the second battle would be a nice nod to fans as well.
They probably won't portray them well, they'll just be dirty hobo raiders 2.0.
The old world blues mod for hearts of iron does a great job of explaining van buren lore and creating lore for unknown locations , I see a lot of art used for the mod in the video
It’s on my list to check out. I’ve heard a lot of good things about it.
@@nvRangerthis mod is the sole reason I still play HOI4. I had more hours in this mod than the vanilla lol
OWB is more cannon than 76 or the TV series too many. Of course it's just denial but it shows how good OWB is.
There was a reference to Oklahoma apparently too, with a legion character name “Okie”
The only thing I know with Okie was not a character, but a Legion unit, namely the "Red Okie Centuriae" mentioned by Hanlon when we ask him about the Legion Veterans, they participate in the 2nd battle alongside the remnants of the Painted Rock tribe.
The Legion stretching all the way to Oklahoma would be wild.
@@lev7053 Red Okie can mean a thing or two. Native Americans are referred to as "Red Skins" and is even what Oklahoma means (Land of the Red Man) or it could refer to the red dirt soil, or even both.
The Red Okie Centuriae was probably named as "Okie" as the furthest extent the Legion (Infantry atleast) reached
It’s more than likely that every university the legion looted for football pads had a cohort named after the real life football teams
Nova Arizona is a pretty good mod about legion controlled territory east of the Colorado river.
I use a lot of footage from it in this video
A lot of people want a sequel to New Vegas, but I think it would be more interesting to see prequels to New Vegas in Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona.
Been to Colorado plenty of times and anyone who has marvels at its natural beauty, however it also makes me question how Caesar could conquer it in within three decades since it can be taxing to traverse. And since Colorado is a mountainous region, there'll be plenty of factions with different philosophies.
And according to Raul, Arizona was a hellhole and it would be fun to experience that as a player prior to the Legion taking over and a little after Caesar does. It would be great to see the Grand Canyon and it's also diverse in its environment like Sedona.
And of course new Mexico would be really fun especiallly near Albuquerque where Breaking Bad takes place where we can see some references. Perhaps we can also see Los Alamos Laboratory and even see the first detonation site of the Manhattan Project.
A prequel would be cool, we would also see the fall of the Desert Rangers in Arizona as the Legion forced them into NCR.
I agree, especially since Obsidian (if they make another Fallout) would have to cater to whatever the show does.
@@corypowercat7277 Obsidian loss their writers. If you play the Outer Worlds it's hardly even a shadow of its former self.
A prequel would also solve the which ending is cannon problem
Yes brotha
I am working on a large mod to remake Dry Wells for the Legion and make a full thriving town before the player nukes it. Hopefully it will give more perspective to the Legion’s rule and their lands!
Sounds great, perfect for a mod as it’s something that would fit in the base game.
I would love to play it
@@Ais_afanofeverything2009 Uploading a progress update now!
flagstaff is a huge slaving hub. which fit perfectly for caesar when he created the legion, it was one of the first places to be taken
Odd how fitting the names of some of these cities fit the Legion. Flagstaff, Bullhead...
Another great video! Not long ago I searched up the Crimson Trail and its a real life location in Southern Utah, so the harsh environment and traversing difficulties are understandable.
Appreciate the info, I read a couple different theories of the location, but if there’s a place with the same name in the region that’s probably it.
I would say Flagstaff would be Caesar's capital because of how pretty it is.
He does seem like a guy who likes pretty things
It is according to the Wiki.
oh, I had no idea. interesting
Technically if the Legion get New Vegas it'll be it's new fapitua😅
I think its worth pointing out that since Fallout's history diverges from real history after WWII, the population of many of these areas in the southwest may not be comparable. The population of Phoenix and Vegas combined in 1945 was about 74,000 while Denver was 322,000.
The Strip and the gambling culture didn't really exist in 40s Vegas. Nevada was based on silver mining and Reno was the main city. The devs could have gone a whole other direction if they wanted.
Well, there is a Samurai in the Alien DLC of Fallout 3, that was used to disprove this divergence point. However, I don't hold anything Bethesda-made as cannon, and even if you don't, that is a joke DLC anyway.
Point of my comment ? I wanted to feel smart.
Love your videos. You dig really deep into Fallout a way few others do, getting into some of the most obscure and forgotten aspects of the lore, especially Van Buren. Most that speak on VB on youtube do so in a very surface level way, (with a few exceptions) but you go far beyond where most stop. Brilliant, brilliant work!
Appreciate that, plan on doing more on Van Buren for sure.
Fallout 2 Sonora has a pretty cool take on Arizona. Great mod.
People have mentioned this before. Does it take place before or after New Vegas?
@@nvRanger it takes long before New Vegas, not long after the events of the first game, if I remember.
I recommend Warlockracy's video that covers both the game and it's dlc, The Glow.
Interesting, I know the channel. Very quality content. Not sure if I wanna play it first tho so I don't spoil, yknow
@@nvRanger There is a ChatGpt translation on RpgCodex's Sonora's topic. You can mix It and the other machine translation to achieve solid results. I played the mod that way and had a very fun experience!
It's pretty cool to realize I didn't accidentally leave Stone In Focus on in a tab, but the yt vid I was watching had it playing in the background! If you want, I'd suggest giving Stone In Focus's remaster by Benoit Poulard a try aswell.
appreciate the recommendation, i'll give it a listen.
The show was supposed to be in Colorado. We could have seen the fallout of the Legion's collapse after Caesar's death. Like, Lucy could have left her vault and would be met with those guys who would have tried to enslave her.
I had no idea the show was going to be in Colorado, would've been interesting.
@@nvRanger Yeah it was a recent interview/article thing. I think it would have been better than bulldozing 100+ years of progress in New California.
I 100% agree
Now all we see the NCR is dead
@@breakerdawn8429 and the West Coast was reverted to the East Coast, I hate to see Fallout 5 which may possibly take place in San Francisco.
Caesar mentioned that he conquered all of New Mexico but it seems like the Legion doesnt have much of a presence there. I wonder why. Im writing my own post apocalyptic story which is centered on El Paso but many areas of New Mexico are also featured that have their own unique details.
In the Fallout universe there would be as well, especially Roswell, Truth or Consequences, Albuquerque, and Santa Fe
I think the reason their presence seems lacking is simply because they didn’t get around to writing on it.
I’m sure if New Vegas ever got a follow up by those same devs it would have been described further. The NCR has had much longer to flesh out, this is the Legions only game.
@MalpaisRanger something that came to mind is the idea of a future Fallout being set in Colorado where Bethesda tries to redo the Vault 0 plot line. Part of the map could include a Legion remnant who are a sub faction but there is no NCR in the game.
They have a presence there but it's mostly pacified and has mainly subjects living there. According to the wikis anyway.
@@corypowercat7277 Man I just wanna know how the average citizens of Caesar Legion lives. Say a family of four, one father, one mother, one son , one daughter.
@@breakerdawn8429 read the wiki. They live like normal people, they just can't say "no" to what the Legion decides. It's like North Korea.
i love listening to your videos at work, makes my shift so much easier. you have a great voice and style of narration.
Really kind of you to say. Thanks 🙏 Glad to help get thru a work day
Hey Vegas Ranger, I hope you make a video on the NCR-Brotherhood War.
It’s definitely on the list
I love your comparison with our real world views , I’ve been addicted to your content ever since an your narration.
thanks, glad to hear you're enjoying the content.
just discovered your channel from this; I’m amazed at the quality of this video. You narrate very well. Subbed immediately.
I appreciate that, thank you 🙏
The in game video shots you took are amazing. Glad to see there’s still Legion love in the year of lord 2024.
Thanks 🙏
Now i don't know if you into grand strategy game but there this game call Heart of Iron IV that have a great mod call "Old World Blue" it allow you to start the game in 2275 and played as many of the fallout nation/town/tribe + some newly added to fill in the gaps between area.
It quite expansive and honestly a great fan story for anyone craving more fallout lore. It not gonna be as personal town per town story like a fallout game but it add a very indepth overhead understand of the world of fallout. So far the mod consist of the following region (+ some other mod that expand on this mod by other fan): All of western USA from part of Louisiana left to Texas, all of mexico, Colorado, Nebraska, All of Montana and Wyoming, Oregon and Washington, all of western Canada, even Mexico and part of south america.
It a extremely indepth mod that have alot of lore to explore. When Fallout lore run dry to cover, covering the fallout lore of old world blue is honestly the second best thing.
I absolutely plan to, I have gotten many recommendations for the mod. I own HOI4, just haven't played it before. So I have a barrier to entry, but I really like the look of the mod and it seems awesome. I appreciate the rec
Excellently made video.
Thanks for saying 🙏
I wish we could have seen more of the Legion in New Vegas, they had so many cut things.
great info, well done :)
Thanks 🙏
Flagstaff is the capital of the Legion because it has a milder climate and access to a lot of snowmelt in the spring, so more water.
My assumption as well
I've heard that the low oxygen also helps athletes train and so the legion does the same
Great vid!
Thanks 🙏
As an Arizonan I’d love to see how flagstaff became the capital. I’d say the better weather and forest resources would assist
Yea, I don’t the specifics of the area, I’ve only been once, but it’s not a desert which seems better than most other choices in the area.
@@nvRanger it’s not a desert, it has ample timber and mine just outside of town as well as a rail connection. Also was the original capital of the state and it’s fairly central.
Thinking about a game with two opponents with land mass with vegas in the middle? Well, it just so happens that there's a game called Fallout: New Vegas that has a pretty close description to this.
I mean it'll totally confirm what you are talking about.
When I first saw this video, several minutes ago.. I thought it'd be a great idea to have a game like that too.
Then I wandered what this game I had in my collection was all about. Turns out it's exactly what you're describing. Even has that Caesar fellow listed in it's prologue.
I always wondered why the cannon source of the football gear was U of A instead of ASU, the team colors are red and gold like the legion and its closer to flagstaff.
I’m not familiar w the area so that’s interesting perspective. I wish there was more detail but the legion has so much cut and unfinished content.
We might never get that answer.
@nvRanger it's a small consideration that would have been cool to see but its easy to overlook if your not from the area. I would have liked the football armor be a mixed from different schools, but yeah, the legion didn't get all the fleshin
The problem with modern fallout is it's scope is much smaller. One city and it's general surrounding area. Look at 1 & 2 for example with how much ground they covered. Hope future fallouts can focus on a wider area instead of just one city.
It seems fairly difficult to accomplish with the current design. The OG Fallouts were great for that but at the cost of a cohesive and detailed world.
Much of what was in between points of interest were random encounters in copy paste tiles.
Good to point out tho
@@nvRanger I agree with the current formula it's pretty hard to do anything different especially with the Creation engine. I'm glad we at least get DLCs in the surrounding areas. Seeing so many games with massive beautiful open worlds (Ghost Recon Wildland's Bolivia for example) gives me hope that one day we may get something a bit larger scale. But probably never near 1&2's scale.
You’re right, the DLCs in the surrounding area help flesh out the world a bit more.
It would be crazy to see Fallout looking as good as ghost recon but those games don’t seem to have nearly as many systems or the detailed environment Fallout has.
@@nvRanger Yeah as unlikely as it is one can dream lol problem with such a large connected world like that for a fallout game is trying to fill it all out with details even if much of it is wasteland. It's why 1&2 with their larger area worked since they were just disconnected maps thus easier to detail.
Another detail we can infer is on the map, it says theres a city called "Res" near Flagstaff, which implies that one of the 87 tribes Caesar conquered was the Navajo
The map includes locations from Van Buren exclusively, so I didn’t mention them in this video. I believe Res isn’t included.
What does Res refer to tho, I’m curious? Reservation?
@@nvRanger I always thought it was short for reservation
@@nvRanger Yeah, it's a general shorthand for Reservation. And Its actually mentioned by name by Joshua Graham when he's telling you about the history of the White Legs
I hope we get to see Colorado and/or Arizona in season two of the Fallout show.
Me too, lotta story to the areas but we have barely been there in game. Tactics takes us to Colorado for some missions.
Fun Fact: The legion did have citizen subjects, it only annexed tribals, if you were a settler decendant of the territory which they took, you'd be placed under their protection so long as you followed their rules i.e no chems and women had to dress modestly and be faithful. It is said that the legion's roads are the safest in the wasteland due to the legion's extreme method of wiping out hostile wildlife and raiders. In addition the legion does not force taxes but instead has a tribute system in which settlements give resources to fuel the legion's expansion in exchange for stable electricity, water and protection. The legion we see in New Vegas is a "warfront" legion which is why we see slavery and their worse side, they only took slaves from their opposition, not their own lands that they occupied.
Modest women? YAWN
Lol but this is interesting. Could I have the confirming source please?
@@user-yy9vr3sh8j He's quoting Joshua Sawyer, the Project Lead of New Vegas, it was on a Formspring post of his.
“Give resources for services” ur not gonna believe this bro
I low-key want the legion to win so it makes the game more interesting
I high-key agree, revisiting New Vegas altered after years of Legion control in a neo-roman aesthetic would cool. Fallout previously canonized most "good" endings so this would be a compelling shift.
@@nvRanger that’s what I’m saying, it’s a fictional world, no need for morality there bruh🤣 I mean they didn’t draw the line at crucifixions.
Plus the Roman Empire is siiiiiiick, especially a new, revised and advanced Roman Empire in the world of post war America is golden.
Also, a new game in which new vegas is taken over by the legion is a great idea, If only Bethesda had this idea instead…😂🦅
@@nvRanger oh snap I just clocked ur name on Yt is malpais Ranger hahaha, you must really like the idea of the legion of the game. Cant blame u bruh, it adds a sour-sweet taste to new vegas that really completes the scene.
And like I said previously, the idea of tribes along the American land is very appealing and leaves room for centuries of lore🤩
They have already seemingly canonized the bos ending fo4 (somewhat morally dubious bunch) interesting idea.
@@johanbjorkman1914 I think the BOS ending is the lamest ending of the lamest fallout game. It’s overrated and I think the institute would make more sense compared to toaster lovers and toaster killers/hoarders as they are saying they have plans to restore the commonwealth and help it by using their big brains.
However, the institute are a bunch of nerds scared of the outside world who are probably never going to help the wasteland in the future.
Therefore, I hope caesars legion reaches the eastern coast and does a number on the commonwealth. I know lore-wise it’s crazy to think and not feasible, but imagine if Caesars legion actually became an empire. Haha it would be morally corrupt but fun to blow legion heads off, or ally with them and pretend to be legionnaires, maybe have a system in which you can advance in rank in the legion as well.
In conclusion tho, I don’t think Bethesda will do that, I predict they’ll just release a Fallout Hawaii or sum shi like that
Flagstaff is probably also where the Legion sends most of its soldiers to train, seeing as IRL Olympic athletes go there to train because of it's higher elevation. Legion soldiers that train there all their lives would produce Olympic level athletes as opposed to the NCR troops that train for two weeks.
Training at altitude, good thinking
Would be cool to see a potential game in colarado
Especially cause we have ideas of places like Dog City Denver and Boulder Dome.
They’d have to make some decisions about Fallout tactics, the calculator and Vault 0 cause that’s relevant to Colorado.
3:43 This pic of JGraham looks like an Austrian painter
mmm, lol I do kinda see it now that you mention it...
Other locations you can include could be Malpais Camp or Boneli Landing. If you really want to go out of your way you could also name the city Friedonia known for being home of the Friedonians and Circle Junction which is heavily legion influenced although not conquered
Imagine a new Vegas prequel called Van Buren but it takes place during joshua and Ulysses time as legates and how the rangers or brother Elijah fractions started to crumble
Would love to get some content during the time. NCR fighting BoS, first battle of Hoover Dam and so on.
Ulysses was a Frumemtaris
What is the map you used in this video? Do you plan on making one of your own, or is this one yours?
I have thought about making one of my own, but here's the link to this one:
www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en_US&mid=1puuQVpbfh4ofYflJxJPB6iul6JQ&ll=39.63153139886184%2C-84.77711362140184&z=6
What is the mod used in this video because the caesar legion soldier when they talk about the dog tribe that caesar defeated has extra leather armor
It’s Dragbodies We are Legion mod. Can only get it on the gun network site and you need an account for it so I can’t link you.
What program did uou use for the maps?
can you send the link for this map?
What's different in this reupload?
Something went wrong in the render so there were a lot of missing supplemental images.
Ave! True to Caesar! 😊 Hope for more Legion Content, but i dont think that'll becoming anytime soon from Bethesda. 😢 Unless Fallout is bought by another company or group, or they hire Obsidian again or another studio that's actually dedicated and passionate about their art. I hope they never tough New Vegas even in the Amazon? show.
Everyone always talks about the legion in van Buren, but they were supposed to be in Brotherhood of Steel 2, meaning the legion reached as far as Texas.
Really? Didn’t know the legion had origins there.
@@nvRanger it’s in the design document, mentions them on the road to I think Fort Worth.
I wonder how much they changed from that original view
What is the map software you are using?
here it is:
www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en_US&mid=1puuQVpbfh4ofYflJxJPB6iul6JQ&ll=39.63153139886184%2C-84.77711362140184&z=6
What map is that? That looks so cool
sorry for the late reply:
www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en_US&mid=1puuQVpbfh4ofYflJxJPB6iul6JQ&ll=39.63153139886184%2C-84.77711362140184&z=6
Empires are usually exaggerated in their size, strength and cohesion and Rome when it’s used as an example of a paper tiger is just echo of Alexander’s empire but Rome is more familiar to more people. The Legion is literally any guy thinking the Bronze Age was more Advanced than the 1930’s and that includes certain people from the 1930’s unless it’s all a show but I doubt Caesar would keep them wearing football pads and salvaged chunks of whatever T-45 is made of if that was the case. If he wanted to go full Nazi and use the same uniforms or it’s just a show and the Legion was like a *modern* Dengist regime like that but in the context of Fallout that’d be on the nose for the kind of evil, schizophrenic fascist faction that they are and I’m getting into an artistic comparison here but it’d fit I guess. However, just like the NCR using old Brodie helmets an Soviet winter uniforms in the desert with wooden M16A1’s with maybe a couple early M249’s with scrapped T-45 shells and never shows up with anything actually modern or appropriately modern for Fallout, the Legion does not in fact show up with anything really impressive, no Classical armor or combat armor or power armor they’re just wearing football pads, they have lawn mower blades, lever action rifles if you’re in an elite strike unit (read: roaming death squad), their senior officers wear a single scrapped T-45 arm or something similarly underwhelming off-screen (I think Jesus said not to do this), they have the odd classical curved shortsword and thick steel Total War Rome Sun god/War god (same thing) armor (Lanius, Gaius Magnus, Marked Tribal armor) which I don’t know how they forged if they don’t have actual smiths just guys with handsaws and grindstones, both factions are arbitrarily given M4’s during the final battle.
Whats the name of the song in the background
Stone in focus by aphex twin
Can we get a Utah lore video?
My New Canaan video covers a lot of Utah
@@nvRanger I just watched it and it covers some, but I have a questions about the other factions like the 80s in Utah. It might make for a good series or long video to cover the states one by one?
Maybe so, good idea
@@nvRanger I hope so. Can't wait to see you hit 10k🙏
@@woekoa Appreciate that, me too
What mods are you using
Many many tbh and it’s not a well tested build. A lot of the visuals are coming from Desert Natural Weathers on the Nexus.
And more so from New Vegas Reloaded which you can get on their Discord TESReloaded under the New Vegas section.
Thanks man I'm asking cuz I thought the locations look interesting and I wanted to play them for myself
Ohh oh Nova Arizona. Sorry. Nova Arizona adds the locations. That’s on the Nexus
@@nvRanger thanks
BULLHEAD CITY MENTIONED LETTSTSTSTTSTSTS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
im happy for you
7:06 bro we just had a tragically poetic video done on the sierra madre and you wanna do ANOTHER? 😂
lol the tragic downfall of Black Isle, you mean?
@@nvRanger yessir
Doing a little light research I realize now that black isle was succeeded by obsidian, so the downfall isn't quite so tragic, it just felt that way when you were describing fort abandon and the similarity between the fallout 3 project they started and how the fort was symbolic of that
@@scriptbouy no i think you're right, its still pretty tragic and for abandon being in a canceled fallout game that was abaondoned along with its dev studio is pretty poetically tragic...
Seriously tho it would be very interesting to live in Caesars territory. The legion ensures peace but at the cost of liberty and freedom. Despite their flaws you can make a small case into their justification of taking over the Mojave
Agreed, I feel like Fallout could have its own GTA "stars" system where the more you act against the Legion, the more notoriety you get. Sort of expanding upon the hit squards in New Vegas.
Interesting? I guess it would be interesting like the apocryphal Chinese Curse, "May you live in interesting times."
What kind of peace can you have when you don't have liberty or freedom? As another saying goes, "Those who give up their freedom for some supposed security, deserve neither, and will soon lose both."
@@shorewall In this context we are talking about a post nuclear hellhole full of bandits, mutants and other horrors. Ground that libertarian wishful thinking in some reality.
It's tusaan dammit
Two Sun, not just one...
0:20 I think you made a mistake here buddy, Shady Sands is further South than this. Also LA should be where this so called "boneyard' is. Don't worry we all make mistakes.
- A bloody tourist
your parents made one too
i didn't make the map, shady sands does look a bit too far north but idk and the boneyard is where LA is ya donkey.
@@nvRanger I appreciate the burn. But I probably should inform you that you overlooked the signature indicating this is a joke: "- A bloody tourist". Because of the Fallout TV show most people believe Shady Sands is in LA while not knowing the Boneyard is what LA is called in the game as it's never mentioned.
By the way, I absolutely love your content. Really raises awareness of the great world building in Fallout. Please make something on Van Buren.
Sorry for the burn, joke went over my head 😅
When will there be another family guy video
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No intro/outro dialogue :(
I know… might include them every so often, but I don’t want to force them for each video.
i always viewed NCR land as this super authoritarian state like we see in vegas, but in legion lands
it’s nothing like how ceaser portrays it. it’s not a 1984 style fascist state where everyone is subservient because they are organized, it’s probably extremely disorganized, and tbe legion just does whatever it wants because phoenix is so disorganized
I sense a slight Legion bias😅
whachu mean?
All these new fake fans dont even know the life changing family guy videos you used to make, disapointing to see all these people cheer you on as i sit here remembering the content you ripped from our hands. Our numbers may have dwindled but our hope lives on. #savefamilyguy
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@@nvRanger : )
"I Wish for new vegas 2" dude shut up
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@nvRanger look is a Chad game but is done we already burn that cartridge even for a dream we only can hope F5 is new vegas lvl. Or better even if we are wrong
Sorry dude I just trigger happy with reddit takes
I just wanna say, that Flagstaff would be a logistical nightmare. Roads up in northern Arizona are already bad enough prewar, and with the hilly and near mountainous terrain by Flag, Caesar is a dumbass for making that his epicenter. Unless Caesar got the trains running in Flag, then it’s hell. Scottsdale, Glendale, Mesa are all great spots too. Only thing northern AZ has goin for it is cooler weather… and maybe fishing.
The only place I could see nukes targeting are Luke AFB maybe? But that’s western metro AZ.
I read that Flagstaff has sources of water which could prove very beneficial if they remain. Plus, its not like they're driving cars on the interstate from what we can tell. Flagstaff is a temp capital before he takes Vegas.
@@nvRanger maybe in Fallout’s world they have lots of water? Flag gets snow so the runoff helps currently with water, but the lakes up in Flag and even towards Tonto National Forest are more sparse and dotted, rather than plumes of civilization. But that’s just been my observation when I’ve camped and glamped in flag. AZ still very much relies on Lake Mead in our timeline, so perhaps Fallout has a universe where PHX doesn’t become as dense and remains a valley of flowers?
I agree they aren’t driving, but in NV, the traders say that caravans thrive in AZ, and unless the capital is in name alone (if we’re assuming there’s no economy that Caesar controls) they’d surely have to traverse northern AZ.