MAX KELLERMAN ADAMANT PACQUIAO IS BETTER P4P FIGHTER THAN MAYWEATHER; EXPLAINS ARGUMENT
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- "This is pretty straight forward...you could easily argue Floyd's side; I think you would probably lose the argument right now...this isn't that hard...the fact that Pacquiao is even competitive with Floyd Mayweather, who's one of the greatest pure boxers ever," stated HBO commentator Max Kellerman, who stood firm on his opinion that Manny Pacquiao will be remembered as a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather. Check it out!
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I agree with Max.
Pacquiao was even under weight his first fights. Under a hundred pounds. And Floyd is a natural welterweight. With a longer reach and the fight with Manny was still very close. Its even questionable who won. Personally i think they are both great. And i don't really put one above the other. They are both great in different ways. As far as records go. A couple of Manny's loses were robery's. And a couple of Floyds wins are questionable. But you cannot question an 8 division champion. That speaks for itself.
It was not very close lol
Don’t forget when he go caught using ped’s (Pac-Man)
Don’t forget that Pac-Man got caught on ped’s
@@marvinrawls4213 you should not say things that you cannot back up, there have been lots of allegations but it has never been proven. but if you think you got proof that Manny got caught using ped's then show it. but since you can't prove your statement. because he never got caught with nothing, you can retract all the false crap you are spreading around the internet.
@ photographerjonathan you are basically saying what I would say to 79% of the comments in this comment section that accused manny of using steroids or some muscle building drug. Thank you so much
"Either you dont know about boxing or your just being dishonest." Absolutely Right sir
Same thing applies to politicians... Just substitute "boxing" with "the climate" or "economics".
I feel like Max many times talks way over ppls comprehension level. He's too smart, too knowledgeable on topics, too intelligent and too articulate when he forms his argument
Meaning he talks over majority of people comprehension level.lol People just having a lack of ability to listen for understanding. People listen to hear words but don't put enough thought it care enough, to understand context and meaning of what's being said
@@michaelredd7453 please explain?! The guy is quite intelligent and able to express his thoughts without calling names. Lol
@@markinvictus9729 anyone that believes Pacquiao is p4p a better fighter than Mayweather is a slow person.
Mayweather is undefeated
Mayweather beat ppl that Pacquiao lost 2
Mayweather beat Pacquiao
wft!!!
so to even have this argument Max has to have a mental issue. period!
that's why i say that!
@@michaelredd7453 "Pound for pound" is pretty self explanatory. Floyd beat guys that Pac lost to and Pac beat the guys that Floyd beat and they've both have beaten fighters that the other hasn't fought. Pac fought from 108 lbs to 154 lbs. Granted he didn't touch 154 but caught weight at 148 lbs against Margarito who was 165 lbs which is Super middle already. To say that a guy who is a natural lightweight that fought from Flyweight to Middleweight is not the better P4P fighter is just pure ignorance. Losing to Floyd who was better in their out of prime years doesn't prove as much compared; if they have fought back 2009 which was 5 years before their fight. There's been a lot of guys who went undefeated but lost because they went over 50 fights. Older generation fighters like Marciano didn't need months to prepare for fights. Sugar Robinson fought with weeks notice. Floyd won't be able to pull that off without preparations. Especially after getting caught illegal overdosing of IV's against his fight with Pac.
@@michaelredd7453 Plus the only guy Floyd beat that Pac lost to was Marquez and he only fought him once. Also was 2 weight classes above Marquez's natural weight class. Everyone knew Floyd was gonna dominate that fight. Floyd even had a last minute change of weight limit for their fight that was suppose to be at 144 lbs but he pushed it up to 147 lbs because he didn't want to drop below 147. And that was Marquez's first time moving up from lightweight, not to mention 2 weight classes.
The interviewer only got 2 choices as soon as he disagreed:
1. I don't know about boxing
2. I'm dishonest
@Justin Hayes There's no disrespect to both boxers honestly. I'm Filipino but I like Floyd's style more in terms of pure technical boxing. What made me comment this way was the fact that Max's standpoint of argument wasn't even in the guy's scope of consideration and just plainly said I disagree. Of course you can argue, but taking away the premise of the argument was, as Max said, a basic disposition of honesty in the knowledge of boxing.
got me laughing when the young ones was given that option
savage haha
@Charm301 Pacquiao did lost to Marquez but are you forgetting that Manny won the 1stn3 fights against JMM?? Pacquiao was a flyweight racking up wins against Hall of Famers and great fighters like Barerra, Morales, Marquez, Hatton, Cotto, Dela Hoya, Margarito, etc. that's a flyweight kicking butts of these fighters! Not to mention winning fights against prime Bradley and undefeated Thurman! And he won against those fighters mostly by TKO or by Unanimous Decision! Lineal Champion in 5 different weight class and 8 division world champion! And he FIGHTS with class and BRAVERY! And so what if floyd has not lost? There are fighters that have not lost but either but no one has been 8 division champ like Pacquiao!
@Charm301 excuses? All that I have stated are facts! You always just talks about the marquez knockout, don't you have a better argument? 🤣😂 Have you watched how Mayweather runs like a chicken just to survive Pacquiao? If you don't have a good argument to defend Floyd then I am just wasting my time on you much like those Mayweather fanboys that Max was trying to enlightened, hahahaha! 😂🤣✌️
Max is like explaining 1+1 to 3 years old... no matter how he explain his side and they all like "I Disagree with you".. LMAO
Lol right. Max is an inteligent person. The guys that were around him weren't smart at all. He had to re explain his statement and dummied it down so they could understand him lmao
Don't let Max Fool you@
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The worst part is that they dissagree without any argument whatsoever.😅
Max educating these young bucks who can’t process boxing history lol
So its normal to move up 8....I repeat 8 weight classes without the use of PEDs.....why did may weather play with Marquez first time where Manny struggled 3 times and got put to sleep in their 4th fight...
@@gunitsoilder3192 Styles make fights, man. Well timed counter punches happen. Pacquiao dominated Mayweather and was robbed.
G UNIT SOILDER Mayweather is also the biggest out of those 3.
Manny on juice if not he would do the drug testing wen mawether ask for he didnt he didnt take the fight
But Max doesnt know shit about boxing
To be a 8 division title holder is harder than 50-0
-Danny Garcia
Chavez made it 89-0
No one is good enough to be a camp in 8 different weight class. Only Manny can do it. Floyd would have to fight from 154-175+ to match that. He will not survive and find success there and hold it for 10 years+. 50-0? A lot have done better. lmao
CharlesYTC A lot have done better but few if any are better
@Simba Simba Guess it's Pac's fault taking on challenges above his Natural weight class. Floyd has never stepped in the ring at 170.
Can easily name 10 undefeated boxer. Pac is a 5 Div champ, 6 div champ, 7 and 8 Div champ and the only 5x Lineal Champ. Ali and Robinson have losses too, and is considered the goats. But they weren't capable of doing what Pac does as a part time boxer.
@Bohanable Bo dafuq you talking about paquiao is a philippine american? Paquiao is even a filipino senator, you cannot get any non american than that. And if this is about just being black how come tyson and Muhammad were praised as a fighter even though they are black? you wanna know why so many people dont give mayweather any credit is because he is a garbage boxer and, he cherrypicked his way to the top, he only cares about money and doesnt give a shit about the fans or the sport of boxing
Go ahead Max, speak nothing but truth! These people need to know who the better fighters are.
Boxer*
Difference between boxing and fighting.
Yes and it is Canelo Alvarez followed by Terrence Crawford. Absolutely everyone else in those lighter weight divisions are meaningless. Inclhding pacman who has been knocked out vold and left for dead.
Max hit the nail on the head here. I agree with everything he said, and I'm not even the biggest pacquiao fan, nor am I trying to disrespect Floyd.
Manny just beat Thurman, adds to his legacy.
Oldest welterweight champ in history at 40yrs old
True words.
Mayweather beat Manny to add to his legacy
@@moekrinkle5771 more like run away from manny
@@FeiTaN70 come up with some new material. Manny lost then blamed it on a shoulder. Freddie Roach said so
After Thurman fight....
Kellerman "Ya'll got it now?"
hahaha
Charm301 I mean, not losing is good n all but it don’t make you the best P4P.
Charm301 the only 8TH time world champion in 8 different weight divisions in the whole HISTORY OF BOXING. Name another boxer who has the same record and I’ll name 10 boxers retired unbeaten. I’ll wait...
Charm301 why you got triggered when someone just educated you lmao! Go watch mayweder fights. Oh wait, all his fights are boring. So you just want to listen what’s new with manny “GOAT” Pacquiao huh. I see. Low class people hate on GREATNESS. Stop watching Pacquiao’s exciting fights and then get triggered. Why don’t you go watch mayweder fights so you can go to sleep because of boredom😂🤣😂. Niggah what?!?
The part I don't get is how someone can be knocked out cold and left lifeless in the ring for more than 5 minutes get a GOAT title. The answer is obvious of course. Tyson Fury is the fighter we should be looking at. Until Manny can prove he can beat folks we well know exist but being ignored, he is not a GOAT.
Max kellerman was right on ! The guy won 8 div title enough said!!!
Mayweather’s last fight: an MMA fighter.
Pac’s last fight: A top gun.
That reveals a lot about the money man. He could’ve been the greatest but he chose money in the end and his legacy is tarnished. And he didn’t beat Pac in their fight, at best it was a draw. Pac also won Bradley 1, dude from Australia so his record is better than it looks.
mayweather never wanted bragging rights. He was a business man first. He retired making a bag, that was more important to him than cementing himself as one of the greats (he was already one anyway).
yeah Mayweather is gay
@BigPoppa Z your in drug mate... hahha what are you watching.. Even I can win to gayweather
You wanted that MMA fighter to fight Floyd. Now that he did and lost, what's the problem?
He did beat Pacquiao in their first fight, landed way more punches and none of Pacquiao's flurries were really effective. Boxing is a sport of points and was more effective at scoring points and denying his opponent points. Mayweather controlled the entire fight
Manny Pacquiao, the fighting senator is the most entertaining boxer who started at 108 flywt up to 154 middle wt. He is one of a kind, all alone up there with 8 division world championship. We may not see another phenom (an all time great) like him in our life time. So let’s just respect his achievements and appreciate his effort to entertain us everytime he is in the ring. Now he does not need to box for the money. He is thinking of helping others so part of his winnings is for some poor people in his country. He is building houses to give away for free for the less fortunate, instead of buying luxurious items to brag about. Thanks Senator for being a role model, a humble champion and philanthropist. Too bad he can't be at least at top 5 bcuz he is a Filipino not American
Romulo Puertollano up to only 147lbs
@@Xiaolongbaokid16 He fought against Antonio Margarito for the Super Welterweight title which is 154lbs. Okay?
True Story bitch stop talking like you know him personally 😂😂
True Story bitch stop talking like you know him personally 😂😂
Romulo Puertollano Manny pacquiao is not top 5 because he got knocked out 3 times and was a failure against Floyd mayweathers offense even maidana did better
Flyweight to Margarito... nobody does that ever...
nuff said
Yeah, most get drug tested 👍🏿
@@fitzgeraldanderson2599 he's just so good that gullible idiots really think he cheated..😂😂😂
@@fatalsg92 Yeah. Have you ever fought? Do you understand weight classes? Why do you think nobody has managed it? Deluded fanboy
@@fitzgeraldanderson2599 any actual fact?
Don’t waste your time Max! These fools can’t comprehend what your saying at all.
Their brain cells cannot process the information. Slow learners.
Really, im so but thats the most retarded shit ive heard in years..
What he is saying is Manny Pacquiao is more lpleasing to watch than Jimmy Young. Floyd, seemed at times to not try for KO much like Jimmy Young,. I hear that FMJ was knocking out his opponents until his hands were fractured. Remember that Boxing is like fencing. It is not MMA.
😂😂how can you beat somebody, but now they are better than you p4p
Max Kellerman caused a ruckus intentionally. How else to talk about boxing and the facts. And fact is that Pacman has been knocked out for a length of time greater than 30 full lunar orbits around the earth.
max trying to educate these mayweather fanboys and their brain cant process anything
+Akeem Alexander hahahahahaha i think maxs point was made when he said rocky marciano retired 49-0, you think hes TBE knowing he couldnt have beaten Ali or Tyson? i think that made yall floyd ryders hearts drop
+Akeem Alexander Fake padded record by a PED 750ml using fraud
The same people shitted on max when he said Floyd beat manny ass... Same people now kissing max ass.. Smh. Yeah flomos but we ain't taste defeat yet so..hmmm
+Akeem Alexander not worth it. fight outside america. rewind the timeline, i dont see the 49-0.
Your brain cant process the fact that Floyd beat Pacquiao and by a wide score to boot.
He had to make it simple for the flomos 😂😂
Lol
Floyd Mayweather is way better and Sugar Ray Leonard is way better boxing skills matter
Lol
@@htownblacc5705 you still don't get it. We're talking about p4p here, not boxing skills. 😅😂😂
@@htownblacc5705 you dont get the meaning of pound for pound fighter..
Perfectly structured argument. He freely admits Floyd has better skills and Floyd's length advantage enables him to impose those skills and increase his advantage.
If you shrunk Floyd and made him the same size and length as Pac (at whichever weight class Pac's power played best at, at 147 Pac doesn't have the power that took so many heads off at lower classes), Manny might have knocked him out.
If you gave Floyd the same body as Manny Floyd's skills and ring IQ still out shines Manny's
@@myronsmith2114 😂😂😂 fanboy can't handle the truth
@@lukadincic4473 I just gave you the truth
@@myronsmith2114 what truth you talking about😂😂
@@lukadincic4473 Floyd is a better skilled boxer than Manny and that's no slight on Manny it's just the truth
Max is a genius ,,with a memory that blows me away
Max Kellerman is right!!! Damn Paparazzi need to get educated on boxing son!!
Just rewatched Pacquiao vs Mayweather. Manny WON that fight CLEARLY! Floyd was *hugging* him the entire fight.
You're trying to convince yourself bigley?
U must not know boxing then 😂
I don’t believe he won the fight. As much as I love pacquiao, mayweather just outscored him but the way he did it was really lame. Floyd played it smart and very very defensive like he does
i hate floyd but manny didnt win that fight, like de la hoya didnt win that fight, and no one ever won against floyd. at the end of his career his style was boring but he was unbeatable and thats the harsh truth
@@erderscrtus8331 yea but theyre so many 50-0 so in terms of achievements i gotta say manny above anyone else if ur gonna be honest
Floyd lost to Castillo and even if they would have given the fight to Castillo, he was going to be in the same spot he is, behind Paquia.
50-0
Why did he lose then ?
@@realrareap2420 robbery
Floyd is unbeatable when it comes to run hugging and cheating thats why most of the boxing fans dont respect his dignity and legacy bcause fame money and power is not enough to pls anybody and get thier respect!
I hate the devil 47-3 please
Do not forget
Flomo’s victory over his wife and that japanese comedian
Let me make this simple:
When Manny was fighting all the great Mexican champions like Barrera, Morales, and Marquez, NOBODY was asking him to fight Floyd Mayweather. In fact, if you went back in time 2003-2007 and said Pacquiao should fight Floyd, people will think you're crazy because Floyd was way too big. But fast forward to 2008-2009 when Manny fought De La Hoya and Hatton is when people started thinking about it. In fact, people already thinking De La Hoya was way too big, but Manny still beat him, although it clear that Oscar was past his prime.
Now the only reason Manny fought De La Hoya was because Manny was beating a lot of Mexican boxers....and the only reason why Manny fought Floyd was because he beat De La Hoya. So to sum it up, Manny was never supposed to fight Floyd in the first place, but it happened, and he did a pretty decent job even though he lost. So what Max was trying to say is that Manny fought guys who were bigger than him and can compete at their level...there's no other Flyweight that has ever done what Manny has done. Not even in close....that's what makes Manny Pound for Pound better than Floyd.
Wasting your time Max explaining, Floyd fanatics just hear you say is Pac better than Floyd an instantly disagree.
Fighthype number 1 flomo
Just like trying to explain to people why Trump is a horrible President.
Lol
Trump has accomplished more in a few years than Obama did in his entire 8 years despite the fact that he has had the media, FBI, and most of Congress against him every single day since he took office.
TheTruth plus he made black employment at an all time high
and if you go back to the fight..floyd never stunned pacquiao at all...pacquiao was able to stunned floyd twice or thrice..and even connected more right jab in my opinion..he supposed to dominate pacquiao with all the advantages and yet he couldnt find pacquiao either..really,all floyd did was touch him a little bit and keep him at bay the whole 12 rounds..wtf? and 1 judge gave him wide margin..wow?
mcfly .hur stunned Floyd? Lmao he couldn’t catch Floyd 😂😂🤣
@@marcolopez5772 Bro be connected hard twice on Floyd. He barely tapped Floyd witj the end of his strait left and Floyd goes into the ropes. Hard to miss that.
Then Pacquiao cracked him with another short left in the top left corner of the ring. Floyd sloooowly reset his feet. Shit fazed him. Never seen Floyd reset so slow. Only flomos miss that
But we'll never have a rematch because we all know floyd doesn't want a series with pacman. it took years to convice him to fight manny. 😂
My nikka said thrice🤣
he couldn't catch floyd because his a good runner 🏃 and hugging 🤗. thats why that fight is so boring.
The operative word is "Pound for Pound", " Mano a Mano"...
Pacquiao it is....
that's exactly the point these fan boys don't get-pound for p0und
Pound for pound is not the same as "mano a mano" lmfao
@@TheReal4th of course it's not the same , what I meant was two fighters in matching weight class, fighting each other.
max is right... 100%
what if floyd and pac is of the same size.. what would happen?
the result would be like the pac vs broner fight... floyd would run the whole fight..
Floyd DID run the whole night, well with some hugging as well
What do you think would have happened if Floyd and Manny fought in 2009 or 2010? Which would have happened except Floyd dodged the fight for 6 years.
@@aaronaaron5861 It's crazy how people like you cannot appreciate defensive boxing and only appreciate guys who throw punches all night.
Max you have common sense, not these guys you are taking to.
Great analysis! He really knows what boxing is.
I believe in max killerman. he knows the truth inside and outside the arena...
Kellerman schooled these fools.
He didn’t school shit, he gave his opinion dumbass
@@christophercolumbus1705 Aww nigga.
@@christophercolumbus1705 well I'll believe kellerman more than you wannabe boxing analyst. just take it like a champ and admit it. Pac is better than floyd P4P. Its like basic math here. Its not rocket science. 😂
@@fatalsg92 You know what,i cannot go off what kellerman said because kellerman is a bandwagon fan.
He favors who most popular at that moment,yesterday it was mayweather today it's paqioua SMFH He was riding mayweathers team and dissing paqioua not that long ago my dude.
@@christophercolumbus1705 I'm only clowning you,because i guaranteed you're a flomo.
We seen mayweather in the front row sweating bullets watching the Thurman vs Paqioua fight.
He's thinking dammit now I'm gonna have to fight again LMAO.
I hope a young coming up boxer smokes his ass.
ROFL Many of Floyd's fanbase have no clue what came before Floyd - Max Kellerman
obviously neither did Max....how stupid is he to compare Ali and Marciano to Floyd vs #48 when Floyd fought and easily beat #48 but Marciano and Ali never fought? do you see how stupid that was coming from max?
+PRSour Cookies ROFL Many of Floyd's fanbase have no clue what came before Floyd - Max Kellerman
Max is inteligent...this media is so dumb...shame...
Max is correct and the interviewers are wrong, I’m just saying...
Max: *gives them basic info and educated reasons why he believes Pacquaio is a better Pfp fighter than Mayweather*
Interviewer: “Ima disagree wit that”
Max is going off achievements of lineal championships. If that’s a topic then what about Floyd being 50-0? Also skill wise. It doesn’t matter what weight pacquiao is at! If he was a natural welterweight or even bigger. Floyd’s skill level still beats his!
@@DopeBoysofAtlanta lol Mayweather fans
IceWallowCome dixierect I’m actually a Roy Jones jr. Fan actually. And we’re speaking on clear facts. His skill level is better. That’s why he dominated when they fought.
@@DopeBoysofAtlanta He's not saying who's stronger here, He's talking about who's a better pound for pound fight bruh!
9 division world titles..ahhh nuff said..shh mayweather fans..
I've tried to say this over and over but get ignored. You judge someone by their whole career and what they have achieved! You cannot judge fighters based on a fight that happened 6 years too late!!
Roach admitted that the fight never happened cause PAC so stfu
Jacob Martinez No he didn't, when did he say this? Also this is about how good they were, not about why they didn't fight right away.
Ur restarted
gaywheather trolling Pacman at the time of Manny beating everybody... hes got plenty of excuses that Pacman is the one afraid of him... we all know that Pacman wants to fight him but gayweather keep flippin... i would want to watch these two fight again.. i dont think the result would be the same.
@Yea Ok technically, marquez is still the bigger fighter (in terms of size) against manny. manny started his career as a flyweight. remember that. so there's actually no shame in losing against whoever he fought in the heavier weight class.
PACQUIAO FIGHTS BIGGER, SKILLED AND LEGENDARY GUYS
while the other dude cherry picked his fights.
FreshKing 6000 lies .. don’t no shit about Floyd
@@DarrellDaEmperorCeasar and you don't know how to spell "know"
But we just suppose to take your word for it?? 😂🤣
@@DarrellDaEmperorCeasar We may know nothing about Floyd...but can you please get some education...kindergarten should be enough for you to correctly spell "know"
@@DarrellDaEmperorCeasar Mayweather just fought a kickboxer for money....and Paqioua is still boxing so you tell me who the real greatest is.
Johnny Talapia that has nothing to do with what he said.
Max Kellerman simply is saying that Manny Pacquiao has the Greatest Legacy in Boxing History the world has ever had in a hundred years or more. He is simply the Michael Jordan of Boxing sitting on the top alone and has raised the boxing world standard into an epic and even more legendary level. PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ These UNDENIABLE TRUTHS:
- The "Only" Octuple Champion 8 Division World Champion in Boxing History no one comes close ever surpassing each and every legendary accomplishments in history.
-That would be his 4th Division World Championship Title in 6th Weight Division from Flyweight to Middleweight of the Classic Original 8 Weight Divisions in Boxing History or the so called the "Glamour Division"
-The "Only" 5th Time Lineal Champion in Boxing History meaning he was the only fighter that was UNDISPUTED in 5 weight classes beating the Best of the Best in Every Division.
-2000-2009 "HBO Fighter of the Decade"
-2001-2010 "World Boxing Council Boxer of the Decade" and will still be fighting until next year 2020 and a sure candidate for another Fighter of the Decade for the Second Time. Who else does that?
-3 Time Fighter of The Year by many Boxing Organizations, 2009 Knockout of the Year Awards Etc...
-And now the "Oldest" Welterweight Champion in Boxing History and still aiming for a WW unification before he retires and still fighting at the highest competitions in WW at the age of 40. Who does that? Only a living legend does that. His unbreakable records and achievements in boxing will live on and tell of his legacy in another hundred years or more no one else comes close.
BUT FOR THE SAKE OF AN INTELLIGENT AND FACTUAL ARGUMENT FOR SOME UNINFORMED HYPED FLOYD FANBOYS. I PRESENT YOU ALL THE PACQUIAO AND MAYWEATHER PARALLEL AWARDS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CAREERS:
(But the thing is Pacquiao is still active and still has his new mission in unifying the Welterweight Belts next year and then win another "The Fighter Of The Decade" Award) 😲
ESPN FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
Manny Pacquiao (2006,2008, 2009) 3
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (2007, 2013) 2 only
THE RING MAGAZINE FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
Manny Pacquiao (2006,2008, 2009) 3
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (1998, 2007) 2 only
BOXING WRITERS ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
Manny Pacquiao (2006,2008, 2009) TIE
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (2007, 2013, 2015) TIE
WORLD BOXING HALL OF FAME FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
Manny Pacquiao (2007) 1
Floyd Mayweather Jr. 0
SPORTS ILLUSTRATED OF THE YEAR
Manny Pacquiao (2008, 2009) 2
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (2015) 1
THE RING MAGAZINE KNOCKOUT OF THE YEAR
Manny Pacquiao (2009) 1
Floyd Mayweather Jr. 0
HBO FIGHTER OF THE DECADE
Manny Pacquiao (2000-2009) WIN
Floyd Mayweather Jr. "0" LOSE
WBC FIGHTER OF THE DECADE
Manny Pacquiao (2001-2010) WIN
Floyd Mayweather Jr. "0" LOSE
BOXING WRITERS ASSOCIATION FIGHTER OF THE DECADE
Manny Pacquiao (2009-2010) WIN
Floyd Mayweather Jr. "0" LOSE
WBO BEST POUND FOR POUND FIGHTER OF THE DECADE
Manny Pacquiao (2001-2010) WIN
Floyd Mayweather Jr. "0" LOSE
MOST UNDISPUTED IN LINEAL WEIGHT CLASS BEATING BEST OF THE BEST IN EVERY DIVISION
Manny Pacquiao (5th Time Lineal) WIN
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (4th Time Lineal) LOSE
GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS OF MOST BOXING WORLD TITLES IN 8 DIFFERENT WEIGHT DIVISIONS
Manny Pacquiao holds this unbreakable 8 Division World Champion record and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
had only 5 Divisions below Oscar Dela Hoya which has 6 Divisions.
Fair and Square. Be honest and don't lie on who is the Greatest Pound For Pound Boxer of All Time Who Ever Lived? Then you can line up anyone you like below to this Living Legend. MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO " THE G.O.A.T." 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
ronald gellido maybe those who can’t accept the truth will change their minds unless they can’t understand or can’t read what you just laid out here . Keller man is very knowledgeable about boxing and he speaks the truth and not even small hint of biased analysis. Ronald you did a good job posting this and to Max Kellerman you’re one of the best ever that’s involved in boxing
@@lovezamora6234 Thank you for the props bro. We just love boxing and I think this is just the least thing we can do to spread some truths to the to the world and true boxing fans out there that seeks solid facts and not bullshit hypes from some biased and insecure haters that refuses to think logically by denying these truths.
ronald gellido agreed 100% .... but I’m a lady who just happened to love boxing specially if it’s Pacquiao fight I’ve rented all his fights and my friends come over to my house to watch his fight.
@Yo bitch blow me like soup Anyone can have their own opinion if you're rooting for someone but we all must rely on solid factual truths base in boxing historical facts which pacquiao clearly wins in any court at any time. Did you even believe Floyd's 50-0 is true the way he brags how he surpassed Rocky Marciano? Look man. Truthfully speaking the MMA non-professional boxer Conor McGregor was not and should not even be a legit boxing match to be put to Floyds boxing record coz it was just an exhibition match between a boxer and an MMA just like Floyd's WWE appearance before. Floyd has too much controversy in dealing with his fight negotiations too bullying his opponents in rules inside his turf Vegas to getting all the special treatments and all the advantages he can get in able to fight him and that's not fair. Where is the greatness in there? SSR, Ali, Louis, Armstrong and Pacquiao was never ever been like that in any way. There are a lots of undefeated fighters in history and Floyd was just simply one of them. Pacquiao on the other hand is clearly way more above that in every aspect coz his almost impossible accomplishments in boxing says it all without him needing to be bragging for all of it.
Basketball is a team sport so you can't use MJ
Flomos don't understand what it means to get lineal titles, the moment he mention that, discussion should have been over... I feel max wasted his time on these fools.
Max really knows what he is talking about in this video. Great analogies.
He makes a valid point! I agree...
The funny thing is that floyd fans are mostly casual fan... they jsut wanted to hear floyd is p4p ... ill make this simple..Manny 8 divison.. 8 belts ..different weight...weight in connection with pounds.. plus to highlight it ..hes frigging ASIAN... talking about genetic and body build.. no argument manny is p4p king... no disrespect floyd is tbe.. but he cant beat manny in p4p..
Between floyed and rocky marciano as undefeated. LoL the other guy's KO put floyd to shame. not to mention, back then boxers can't cherrypick who they want to fight. they fight based on their ranking.
Don Quixote Doflamingo you forgot to mention he got knocked out 3 times and has 7 losses... he also failed his most important fight against mayweather jr.
@@adrianaguilar7017 And is still boxing...BOXING GREAT.
What's mayweather doing....Selling out taking any kinda big paying fight,against kickboxers in a boxing setting Lol this guy's in denial.
Don- you ain't gitta kiss his ass to get your opinion across,just say Mayweathers a sellout sketchy overrated featherfisted welterweight..
But he had no problem Koing Ortiz when his guard was down LOL.
Laurence Giovanni Baylon my point is manny pacquiao is most definelty not p4p king with that shitty resume hella loses and knocked out 3 times
Max really schooled that interviewer
He’s not a interviewer he’s a Floyd fan there’s a difference
Max is accurate. the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight should have been a draw ONLY because the referee refused to take points from Mayweather for hugging when not running...saw the replay tonight, Pacquiao should have gotten the decision at worst, the draw.
You’re a damn idiot 😂😂
Charles Stewart you don’t know shit about boxing
PACQUIAO THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF THIS ERA.. FIGHTER OF THE DECADE.. 2000 - 2010
Nah from 2000- present -future
That Rocky Marciano example is on point. This guy is genius in boxing.
You’re 💯 right Max Kellerman👍🏼
😂😂😂😂😂 Pacman was already the best of his era after beating dela hoya. Theae reporters are the most biased nutbeggars in the sport
Z5 10000 but he lost to Morales and Marquez and was outboxed by Floyd
Marco Lopez destroyed his whole argument in just few words 😂😂
he lost to marquez 3 times.. Marquez was robbed 2 times
He beat Oscar at 147 weight drained
Floyd fought Oscar at 154 when Floyd can’t even make 154 when Oscar came in a good 165
Hats off , max is 100% honest person
Props to Max for going into the lions den..
Did you guys really think floyd won that fight against pacquiao? Pacquiao got robbed if you ask me and many other boxing analysts.....
Timmy D i dont know .. manny was more dangerous than floyd but floyd took little points
Huynherful Please 90% of EVERYONE that watched agree that Floyd won, including boxing analysts. In fact, most don’t even think it was close. Floyd ducked Manny? How’s that when Manny turned down 40 mill and a 50/50 split? 😂 Stop man you sound ridiculous.
@@richiefamus8778 where do you figure 90 percent it's all over the internet that Floyd lost the fight
@@richiefamus8778 the boxing analyst on the internet have Floyd losing to Manny
Abdon Santella No they don’t. Who? Skip Bayless? The man has hated on Floyd in EVERY one of his fights. Most people agree that it wasn’t even close. He toyed with Manny P. Omg.
Max knows his shit. most people don't know shit about Boxing. LMAO Max dropping that info on casuals
so comparing marciano and Ali (who they DIDNT FIGHT each other) to Floyd vs 48 who Floyd schooled easy is dropping good knowledge? 😭😭😭Man you FMJr made clowns like you hate him for life when he schooled #48 easy on May 2nd 😭
Yeah he knows boxing, but I disagree on what he saying. He's saying that Floyd fought old washed up fighters . He's saying pacquiao is the p4p but Floyd is really it. Pacquiao lost to Marquez, he got put to sleep, Timothy Bradley.. From the past 2 years. Pacquiao should of did the testing to fight Floyd, but he declined it. Floyd will beat pacquiao at pacquiao weight, Floyd has to much boxing skills and knowledge. He will use distance to his advantage.
Max schooling the Flomos. He was on point lol
Max is right!!! Wow.
I didn’t think of it this way. Thank you.
The Truth it Hurts
Pacman Goat.
Agree 100% with Mac on everything he just said. Put in words for a more casual fan, the difference between Flyweight and Welterweight is 35 lbs. So it is Like saying Mayweather is the better P4P fighter over Sergey Kovalev. Kovalev is an Unbeaten fighter, but we would all agree Mayweather has better skills P4P. Yet if they ever fought, Kovalev would walk through Mayweather.
No, manny was acclimated to 147 when they fought. Floyd has fought full weight through 24 pounds of division and was the same size as manny when manny was already pro. Floyd was never a big ww and many has been getting knocked out and outboxed his entire career by men smaller than Floyd and himself even. Speaking of kovalez, he's never moved up as far as I know so you can better compare how Wilder would walk through kovalez even though kovalez is maybe better p4p.
No, manny was acclimated to 147 when they fought. Floyd has fought full weight through 24 pounds of division and was the same size as manny when manny was already pro. Floyd was never a big ww and many has been getting knocked out and outboxed his entire career by men smaller than Floyd and himself even. Speaking of kovalez, he's never moved up as far as I know so you can better compare how Wilder would walk through kovalez even though kovalez is maybe better p4p. Floyd going to 175 would be 45 pounds of division overall and Floyd didn't start as a kid like manny (Floyd was a world class amateur as small as manny when manny was a pro)
+quenquen411 Your point about Wilder beating Kovalev is exactly my point and Max Kellermans point, we just happen to think that point at which someone is too big for Mayweather, at least, is Golovkin.
Now i agree about the weight of Manny and Floyd but let's be real here, Manny is 5'5 (166) and Floyd is 5'8 (173) A much more fleshed out size to compete at the WW scene. And for me Manny was the better fighter at both guys primes. See floyd makes history in his own head based on a childlike manner which is "i beat this guy, who beat that guy, therefore I am better than all of you" and "an unbeaten fighter is the best fighter". Which is false.
Charlie Walker I'd like to debate with you, but you don't seem to actually know what you're talking about. Floyd doesn't walk around in the 170's. And that wasn't Max's point at all. He was eluding to Manny being too small, when Manny was already fully acclimated to the 147 pound division. It's not a case of a small untested guy fighting at the weight. 147 is where Manny beat Oscar and it's "kinda" where Manny beat Cotto (the fight that really put him on the map). Manny also beat Margarito. So, there is no actual point to be made here, besides that Manny has shorter arms than Floyd and is short. Yeah, but Floyd had longer arms and was taller than Manny when Floyd was fighting at 140, 135 and 130.
Manny was still seen as the bigger stronger puncher at 147 against Floyd, complaining about someone being taller is like saying you're not going to give Tommy Hearns credit for being very tall and long for the division.
Also, Manny Pacquiao has been getting knocked out and outboxed at every point of his career. He got knocked out in the 90's by guys I've never heard of, he got outboxed by Morales, and he arguably lost a few times to Marquez at a few different weights, up to being knocked out by the guy. So, basically, it's like saying that all the guys who have beaten up Manny in his career at smaller divisions are better than FMJ, and that makes no sense.
I don't think Manny was better than Floyd at any point of his career. I don't know when you started watching Floyd.
+quenquen411 I think I am getting confused on which Videos I am commenting on, I wrote on the other Kellerman video about Golovkin vs Mayweather. Sorry about that.
Actually we agree completely about the weights, I'm not arguing about the weight merely that Manny is not a true welter weight, as Roach said many times, he likes Pac to be 135. And to not be a true Welter Weight and handle his opponents the way he did, better than Mayweather did, is what makes him in my eyes better.
But if we're being super super honest, we know Pacquiao beat Floyd anyway.
Our right !!!
50-0
Flyod running like a headless chicken and he gonna do that again in a rematch
@@eaoeaua1975 50-0
@@ihatethedevil1398 yes flyod keep that record safe stay retired
Max really knows boxing! The degree of difficulty of Pacquiao's achievement is close to impossible, but we're sooooo fortunate to have witnessed the unthinkable. Cleaned divisions he stepped into, fighting the best fighters without if or buts or "in my terms" to gain competitive advantage up to this time in his 40s. May never come in our lifetime again or in generations to come, which will make people decide in due time that PAC is the greatest boxer. Pac never claimed it but Mayweather keeps on insisting it?
I think Mayweather will be remembered as the BEST DEFENSIVE BOXER. Cherry picked opponents "in his terms" while ducked boxers in their prime and waited until clear advantage was in the horizon. NEVER AGREED TO FIGHT PAC (Even past his prime already) FOR SECOND BOUT TO REMOVE DOUBTS, HE KNOWS IT"S A DANGEROUS FIGHT FOR HIM, and instead went out of retirement to endanger the lives of people that are soooo out of his league which is very unprofessional and not a character of the greatest boxer.
Fighter of the decade (2000's) ,8 div champ , 5lineal champ nuff said .
... Key word "P4P." He didn't say pacquiao was the better "boxer" he said he was a better "P4P" ... "Fighter." Floyd is no fighter, and there's no argument who had the "better" career/fame, for all the Floyd fans, but Pac is a better P4P fighter.
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A better brawler 👊🏼🇵🇭
Funny how you exclude the fact that he cheated his whole career moving up but a bozo like you would ignore facts 🤦🏾♂️
That's not a valid argument Max. Because if Bud or Floyd had started their careers at a lighter weight or were able to make the lighter weights they both probably would have accomplished all that Manny has. Two things that must be considered when making these kinds of comparisons is physical stature and skills. Can't take away from the fact that these guys are both taller longer and have the same or better skills than Manny.
@@a2dagreetodisagree-nondeba642 why bring up that shit. You know they both used. Ignore that shit, and just talk about what they can and what have done. By the way, I prefer Floyd, but I'm not naive to believe these guys are clean. They both suspect. Just watch the fights
Plus no facts, just hella suspicions on both sides
you really cant compare the STAGNANT from TYPHON. end of discussions. a runner vs. a true warrior.
This explanation about Pacquiao's greatness makes sense until now year 2019.
Ely Sy still makes sense 2020
@@abugonapugonamugonarug1653 2021 while Pac looking for top real boxers, Floyd looking for youtubers :))
He just schooled me 🧐👊🏿💯
if you disagree your a basic casual fan or dishonest, Floyd fan base thinks he can walk on water
LUIGAUZUKI 50-0 and did it his way. I'd say that's somewhat walking on water 😂😂😂
Keep Promises pacquiao is the ONLY boxer who is an 8 division world champ 😂😂 . MANY fighters have gone undefeated, but therea only one 8 division world champ
He did in the boxing ring
LUIGAUZUKI wrong, many of them been watching boxing since the 90’s...we’ve seen him blow pound for pound fighters out at 130-135...but you don’t get it, I understand.
Patrick Agustin well there’s a female boxer from Brooklyn who’s an 8 division champ...and Max Kellerman argument about him “arguing” that Rocky Marciano is the best because he’s somehow his era...Rocky Marciano fought in the 50’s so I’m not getting that part...he actually had his prime before Ali so.....lost me with that one.
max got this one right, Floyd had a million and one advantages over PAC and couldn't even scratch him.
PAC lost tho? WHY
@@christatney855 another dumb question 😂
Pac earned his 9TH BELT against RUN TIME THURMAN 🤙🏼
nobody watch Floyd matches no more. gayweather afraid of pacman when Manny was 28 yrs old... he waited for Pacman to get old
It was actually the other way around, dummy. Don't believe the hype. Pac's own trainer Freddy Roach said Pac should have just taken the drug test and made the fight. I know it's hard to hear but look it up. Floyd just didn't care to get into all the back and forth about it, because he doens't mind people hating him and making money off you clowns paying to see him lose but keep winning lmao.
mayweather cant fight toe to toe with pacquiao... period he likes barney
yah thats why he keep on running like a chicken,, coz he know,, he will end like margarito lol,, if he fights toe to toe
+MrBu2ng Sad and embarrassing for sure. The so-called "top welterweight" couldn't help but fight scared against a guy who originally started off at the lowest weight class and had fought with a bum right arm on top of that. Smh...
Seriously, there shouldn't even be an argument that Pac is greater than Floyd on the all-time P4P list.
+rsuriyop nice one!
he cant.. Manny too dangerous.. so floyd beat'em with his head.. and out boxed him..instead of trading.
but your argument is Pacquiao lost because Floyd was bigger than him
completely different accomplishments. I agree with Max lol flomos hate Max forever now lmao
+luis vargas yeah, coz flomos are usually ignorant, insecure and close minded stupid
As long as you pro fans still in denial
Max Kellermen knows about boxing
Nice observation max,, it'a all a fact.. 👏
This guy really knows about box no questions about it
Max is so right, except Pacquiao did beat Mayweather with one arm
Stop
I agree! Holyfield seen Paquiao beating Mayweather also. Same fight outside of Vegas...Paquiao gets the decision victory
Facts
czcams.com/video/fcC9_cqy2L8/video.html
Big facts
Tripping
Floyd Mayweather jr LOST to Castillo on their first fight. The End.
I gotta say. I was not a Pacquiao fan, but he's moved into my top 10 of all time, my respect for him as a fighter AND athlete continues to grow with each fight
I love Max!!! That brother knows his boxing 🥊🥊keep it up Max!!!
Max was absolutely correct.
very well said max!bravo!!
The D-riders are heavy in the background. ...Pac-Man is the best.
Max Kellerman knows boxing. I truly believe Floyd got lucky Pacquiao fought with a torn rotator cuff. Even with a bad shoulder he hurt FLoyd twice and Floyd didnt do any damage. I hope they fight again, if both healthy I pick Pacquiao. For those who think Pacquiao go school, I dont know what the heck they were watching. One guy hurts the other guy who ran the whole night but the runner schooled the other guy? I guess black people logic.
Lifan23 yup sick and tired of these clowns saying Manny got schooled. BS, the fight was so closed could have gone to Manny too but it's America duh? Rest of the world thought Manny won. It was no school at all PAC the one that hurt Froidroid more often.
Lifan23 floyd dont want to fight pac anymore,he said he would before but tbh that was just crap,he knows whats up,floyds a defensive specialist but he dont want anything from pac,he felt it that fight thats why you see him clinch a lot,as he should because if he didnt it would have been a very bad loss for him
12th a we qaqqa it's kind of screwed right here
Pussy ass deleted my comment u a bitch lmao
It's an excuse
Floyd won
Pacman lost to. Jeff horn
Knocked out by a lil JMM
This is really simple - a P4P comparison is NOT the same as H2H (head-to-head) fight. Let me say that again, P4P is not the same as H2H.
Kellerman's argument is you need to look at the career and achievements accomplishment in that career and he's saying that Pacquiao's achievements have NEVER BE DONE.
Let me break his math down for you all. Pacquaio was the lineal flyweight champion at 112 pounds. He ended up winning a lineal championship at Jr. Middleweight (154 lbs) when he beat Margarito. That's a difference of 42 lbs in weight classes.
That would be like if Mayweather, who was the lineal champ at jr. lightweight (130 lbs), moved up to light heavyweight (175 lbs) and fought Sergey Kovalev or Andre Ward. Even if Mayweather lost, most everyone would say that Mayweather is a better P4P than Kovalev or Ward.
That's Kellerman's point.
Through his career, Pacquaio won belts in 8 different divisions which has NEVER been done. He was also the lineal champion in 4 different weight classes. NO ONE has every done what Pacquiao did but there have been 5 other boxers who retired with perfect records.
If you can't really appreciate what Pacquiao did and at least admit it's a 50/50 split on it being as great as Mayweather's achievements then just please stop pretending that you're knowledgeable and can make fair assessments.
yup, flomoses has brains of 5 year old kid.
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Not to mention Pac skipped 2 weight class. He woulda been 10 division champ. But Mayweather fought Connor and some pizza driver lmaoooooo!! While pac at 40 taking new generation top welterweights. We all pay to see a good fight. No running, mano y Mano
All i know is this fight would of happen back in 09 when both at their prime. Pacman would of destroy him easily idc . we waited what 6yrs? When both of them at their 40's and drain .
Max is right. Floyd had more advantage being taller and has a longer reach not just boxing skill. If Floyd was manny height it would be a different story.
JaseH123 you just a hating ass bitch
JaseH123 so to make our judgement We have to make people shorter or taller or even lighter or heavier. This is not a video game. We have to come to terms with what people as re not who they could have been. We would never be able to pick a champ under these circumstances
Except that THIS IS a POUND FOR POUND argument. And thus, to make a fair comparison, you do have to make them shorter/taller/lighter/heavier. Who has achieved more considering every pound he has? 8 division / 5 linear champion is unbeatable at this point. Max just mentioned the longer reach and taller only as an example but this isn't his main point.
If the argument was who is a better fighter, you are right iAmBrotherPOLIGHT. Floyd has the upperhand. But the argument here pound for pound. Let that sink first. Then you'll see why Max picked Pac as better, Pound for Pound.
Excuses like assholes
5 weight lineal champion.
No one has beaten that record.
Pac-Man is a living legend.
Glad we had Manny, Floyd, Marquez, to giving boxing fans topics to debate about! Can't wait to see are the next line of rising stars from different parts of the world!
Dude, Pacquiao beat Mayweather. The fight was handed to Mayweather by the judges.
Pacquiao is much better than Mayweather jr.
@TheAndrew26101Show So is Buster Douglas greater than Mike Tyson then? He ko'd him in his prime but no one ever puts him above Tyson. Also is Antonio Traver greater then Roy Jones Jr? He beat him twice. You can't just look at someones record and say "he's undefeated so he must be greater". Floyd was great and he is a boxing legend, but he certainly is not TBE and is not greater then Pacquiao.
@TheAndrew26101Show chavez sr has 89 -0 before he lost better than 50-0 and stil scared to lost its that the legacy of self proclaim TBE wahahahaha!
@TheAndrew26101Show that the point he should fight the best of the best chavez fight every one he dont care if he loss he want the best fight just like manny floyd did good in cannelo but in manny real talk he fight scared even he know manny is injurd he won by hug and run 50-0 ok but TBE is a joke and never wil be one of the goat he dont belong there
@TheAndrew26101Show I'm not hating on Floyd, I literally called him a legend and he's also one of my favorite boxers ever. Your argument was "Ya ok that's why mayweather beat him tho" implying that due to him beating Pacquiao he's greater. I brought up Mike Tyson because if someone were to call Mike TBE, they could use your same argument. "Ya that's why Buster Douglas beat him tho right?". Also you said Mike's legacy was already made and I can say the same about Pacquiao. We all know the fight happened way too late, Pacquiao was in a steep decline after JMM knocked him out.
@TheAndrew26101Show its not hate im just honest to my self im a boxing fan not floyd fan what about you your a haters to and dishonest excuses what the fuck thats facts he said easy work im coming back in dec hahaha and make manny broner fight if he win he wil get a rematch what happen? Excuses? manny sign to pbc to get a good fight even bihinde enemy lines floyd wil fight again in japan what the fuck hahaha!!
Max schools all of Floydhype.
Now you can go to bed and cry into your pillows.
You guys are really supporting this notion!
Bobby Tsunami It just goes to tell where a lot of guys are intellectually in today's day and age! Objectively i'd have to say that it is arguably impossible to put pacquiao over Floyd!
Pacquiao made history by being the first boxer ever to win world titles in eight weight divisions , having won twelve major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight classes.
Pacquiao is also the first boxer in history to win major world titles in four of the original eight weight classes of boxing, also known as the "glamour divisions": flyweight, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight
What eight weight classes did Pacquiao win world titles in? What 12 world titles did he win? Pacquiao won world titles in 6 weight classes and he's won 9 world titles not 12.
@@TheRexrapper thank u
with kellerman all that being said., may floyd ducks prime pacquiao just to win by running..? given that pac has all the disadvantages hes still the aggressor., smh
bradley defeated pacquiao ONCE, does that mean bradley is greater than him.? the only difference is that floyd doesn't want a rematch
Bradley and jeff horn fights were robberies. Pacquiao's record is much better than it looks. Hes just the most robbed boxers in history
good points max but the only ones who don't see this are Floyd nurhuggers
I respect what max said but come on there they go with that bullshit about pacman was to small 😒✊🏾
Yeah gotta pick his face up for saying PAC lost out in the open like that!! Let that ass kissing start lol
+Miguel Tellez I disagree, not good points, Great points! that`s the whole point of Max`s comments.
+Soxfan73 good points and was able to give a good explanation of it
Which is what a true expert like max always does.
Lol max has good and very true points. I'm a fan of mayweather but then you have flomo train riders that know very little about boxing, can't handle the truth and don't look at things from a boxing history perspective.
dude was comparing duran to pac duran beat srl pac didnt beat floyd duran won a middleweight title pac will not win a middleweight title pac is not rated higher than floyd max is bugging
+do c watch the fight again manny did beat mayweather he actually out boxed him
STOP it
***** no watch again take your Floyd glasses off, manny reduced Floyd to a jabber took away the check left hook and th3 right hand
***** lol go straight to the name calling lol Floyd is a fraud and his fans can't handle the truth
I miss Max and Marcellus!
Well said! #1000 percent correct!
Go tell 'em max!
i was surprised how much bigger floyd was than manny..
This footage is very good. History. Come back in 2050 and realize how good is this
Max correct