Parts would be a big part for sure I work for a large brand name company that sells debarkers and that’s how we make all our money and boatloads of it too
@@claudeyaz printers make almost zero money, its all about selling ink at a fortune, razors dont make much money, although if you sell razor blades at insane prices you make tons of money
They effectively destroyed every family owned dealership and customer service went straight down the crapper. We farm with older equipment like 4240, 4450,4640. Newest is an 8410 and a 9600 combine and we do ALL repairs ourselves. The parts guys are annoyed the second you grace the door. We were told that the local dealership has a list of the top 50 clients in their region and the guys at the counter basically have a dossier on them which they must familiarize themselves with and if ANY of them come in they have to prioritize them over all else. I've literally been 15 min into the old back and forth parts search for our "old obsolete crap" when a big 50 comes in and suddenly YOU don't exist. Either that or you go 40 miles there, they "order" the part, you go 40 mi home, they never call you back, you call them, they say part is in, you drive 40 back, they either have wrong part or you finally get the bastards to admit they never ordered it, drive 40 mi home, 40 back to dealer to finally get part, 40 back home.... now it's raining for the next week....
That still doesn’t justify dog service. Just because someone is in the 20% right now doesn’t mean they won’t be in the future. I have been in sales for 10 years and one of the smallest dogwater accounts we had has become a major account because we have them the service they needed and didn’t blow them off.
We have a local farmer who farms over 10,000 acres. He had a repair bill of over 40k to replace an IVT. He claims it was a warranty issue. Deere denied his claim. He went 2 miles down the road and bought 5 or 6 brand new Case 600 quadtrax. He wasn't shy about letting Van Wall know he'll never spend another penny there.
I've worked for three different colors over the years, you will not find a better warranty/support then Deere, PERIOD. Just cause someone "feels" it's warranty doesn't mean it's warranty!
Finally a voice of reason, I understand that someone is hurt that John Dear has crazy prices now, but you have to take into account inflation and the fact that they have to make a comeback after Covid.@@_Quazarz
That’s the beauty of a distribution system my friend. It doesn’t make you a bad investor just because everyone else pulls out. That’s called discipline
Only the big farms can afford to take equipment to the dealer. The small guys fix their own machines. Right to Repair is vital to the ability of the small farms to compete with the giant operations.
Apprentice from a 16000 acre farm here. The mechanics here also fix most parts, be it Deere or Fendt or Claas. Though for specialty parts they just call the dealership and a service van is there within 30-60 minutes usually.
@@11fifteen it's more like "allow" the little guys to exist by allowimg them to repair their own machines, instead of pricing them out of their livelihoods.
Stormy I think they can... When the government doesn't rape them, and companies, unlike john deere, make reliable products that the farmer can fix themselves.
Deere is terrible with dealerships. They created monsters. The dealerships are owned by huge outfits who now have 8 12 15 dealers in a specific area. They consolidated so much. They want forty to fifty miles between dealerships
@@VinylUnboxings that's the closest. Image that you have to drive 50 to the closest gas station or church or even a gallon of milk. You can't run into a quick stop and buy a lower cross auger for a 9600. Each piece of equipment is specialized and not all dealerships have each piece. Last season I had to drive over 200 miles one way for a 32 dollar bearing. When your livelihood is based on what happens in the space of a few weeks it's critical.
@@VinylUnboxingsNearly every county seat had one along with any other store a farmer needed to visit. Ours got consolidated and moved. Now the closest one of 3 is 30 miles, and IF they have your part. The 2 are 32 and 35 but that's from my place. Visit all 3 then home and you've wasted a whole morning to the tune of 120 miles. I ain't in the game anymore but do some fetching when I go to the Dr. I understand their "logistics" but this inventory shell game sucks like a Dyson.
To all the farmers out there- thank you for busting your ass to provide for the rest of us. For all the times you've had to borrow just to get through the season and for pushing on when nobody but a madman would. Sincerely, thank you for everything you do. It doesn't get said nearly enough but we love you for it. ❤️
There was a big combine Deere broke down in a field a new one. They flew engineers , designers , their best mechanics to fix it. They couldn’t. My friends dad told them he could fix in two days but if they wanted to watch that would cost them big . He broke the drives down replaced the bearings and gears and had it going in 3 days by himself. He’s a 68 year old father that works on tractors out of a old box truck . He said they paid him like a movie star
Respect to your friends dad, a lifetime of practical know how is not to be underestimated. Glad he knew the worth of his knowledge and that the company paid him well for it.
He said two days but not maximum two days, the point of his story was that all of the engineers couldn’t fix it at all and he was able to get it done and teach them how to do it. They paid him well because they valued the learning experience he provided them. 2 vs 3 days timeline doesn’t seem like it was very relevant to the situation
@@HunterJohnson-li5md not what it used to be but still the biggest county fair in Ohio. We used to get the big rides that the State Fair got. And we used to get the National Tractor Pulling Association that was sponsored here. Still get some big names but not like we did 15 or 20 years ago.
A farmer I know has a massy still it runs and can be used but it's stored away because they don't make them anymore so he will keep it until it rots he said and I don't blame him
Our towns Deere dealership has a couple of golden employees that will talk you out of buying new Deere equipment. The oldest guy in the building will tell you to go buy anything that isn't green because you'll go broke trying to afford Deere parts.
@@casimir92it’s not the Deere parts it’s the damn service requirements on the new equipment. Damn anything breaks and you gotta call out the dealership to send someone out to look at it then wait for parts and when they get in from corporate then get that shit fixed. It’s a scam. Deere makes more money on service calls than they do on selling new tractors
@@avacadomangobanana2588no you idiot, it’s literally been under 5 years for John Deere and apple. Teslas been doing this the longest. Prolly too young to remember 🤣🤣
John Deere did an excellent job marketing the product. Toys to the kids and lawn mowers to the suburbs so they can have a green tractor like real farmers
The one thing that pisses me off about John Deere dealerships is they pushed out the mom and pop dealer and replaced them with the large franchise dealer. Once these franchise owners have control of an area, the prices for parts skyrocketed.
I seen a case franchise merge with a elevator. The price for parts, service and equipment went through the roof, and they brag about it at the share holders meeting. Between equipment and selling them your grain they got you by the balls.
You need them everywhere, cause when they break down in the field and require dealer only software to reboot it, you better be sure a dealer is nearby. They fight "Right To Repair" at every opportunity
@@avacadomangobanana2588 Always someone to make it political lol. Also , how can anyone trust the word of a man who would butcher such a simple word in the English language😅💀
@@jampacc yo fr bro spelled “corperation” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 plus i dont think republicans are footing the bill for john deere? 🤣 politicians dont pay for companies companies pay for politicians in lobbying.
@@jampacc he is right, and it is an inherently political issue. there was a right to repair bill in a state somewhere, can't remember where right now, but most of the "no" votes were republican politicians and most of the "yes" votes were democrats.
Had a neighbor in the 90's who's job was doing inventory on J.D. dealerships going out of business. He was a busy guy and not the only one closing out dealers.
Merchandise sales have to be a massive factor too, every boy in America probably has a John Deere shirt or toy tractor from Deere at some point in life
Where I'm at it's a Kubota dealer to the north of the farm land, deere to the south and case to the west. Port to the east and that's where alot of New Hollands and a few of the others come in at.
Deere still pushed them out too. You must be in Iowa, Nebraska, or Wisconsin (big farm country) cause everywhere else lost their local family owned Deere dealer. Nothing but conglomerates that own at least 3 stores now
That’s not really a Deere issue that’s a issue of what you see with the family farm. As one company grows they can just keep buying up stores same as how big farms just keep buying up small farms
@@144019jans ahh I agree and I disagree with you. When I was a kid there were family owned JD dealers every 10 miles (or closer) here in western Pennsylvania. I’m only 36 for reference. Yes, Deere couldn’t have that many stores today and remain competitive, but the one off family owned stores were lost because of John Deere. Let me explain… they were lost because Deere made it impossible to compete because of quotas they placed on machinery orders and parts orders. The conglomerates pool their machine orders together and split it up between all their stores. So who do you think gets preference and cost savings? A dealer that orders five 1025r tractors or a conglomeration that orders 50 each season? I’m not trying to argue or sound like a know it all, but in this case I’m right and I do know most all of it.
@@144019jans it is a Deere issue because they pushed out all the small dealers about 10 years ago. They forced them to either join larger dealer networks or Deere would not provide any parts. I know because I work at a Deere dealer.
That was the defining factor to my last JD purchase over every other available option. In all, most manufacturers make equal or similar equipment, but it was the dealer network that made me land on JD.
@Busy Bee Farms don't know but it was a major reason why our farm in NZ has green tractors, safety when out of the cab. My dad and granddad got ran over by tractors, granddad went under steel wheels, Fordson major and became paralyzed, dad with his ford Dexter just got chest bruises and had bloodshot eyes for 2 weeks,
John deere might have taken 20-30 years longer to do so they have lost dealers to. Most if not all the small 1 or 2 location mom and pop dealers are gone. Driven out by corporate dealers lobbying john deere who in turn made sales requirements corporate knew the small dealers couldnt follow.
The John Deere dealer in Brown county Ohio got pushed out by John Deere to become Ag-Pro. I hated seeing the people who owned the dealership not be there any more
no one lobbied Deere to do a thing. Deere tells the dealers what stores they can have and where. in fact Deere controls what parts they can sell. if you don't have a golf contract you can't sell parts to golf specific equipment. same with construction. if a store is ag and turf no construction parts. Deere controls it all.
@@TheBluegoatman Deere is a company with many employees not a singular organism. As you said they make rules that govern their dealers. The people that make those rules do so with their own self interest at heart. The dealers with 20 stores have better hunting leases, better beach houses, go on better trips, buy better food and return better commissions. The guy with 2 stores whose his nose is to the grindstone keeping his customers going doesnt have any of that. Who do you think those people make rules to favor? They didnt cut the small guy off completely, they just made it unprofitable and to difficult to continue.
My old man ran massey ferguson for years ... still got a 383 weighted down i use for logging and grinder mixer...simple and easy to work on, reliable 😃
Deere really is the only option for the bigger farms near my parents. Yes there are New Holland and case IH dealer's around but John Deere is the only one that will send technicians and equipment to the big farms. I'm sure they're making money doing it but these dairy farmers don't have time to deal with trucking broken equipment to the dealership and dealing with the down time. John Deere even sends loaners to the big farms when they need them.
CAT moves heaven and earth to support its large customers and it’s probably the only reason anything can get done in the country still. But they aren’t as evil as John Deere with their parts management because construction has options yet. Also you get charged up the ass by them but they know what perks people care about.
@@alexmills1329 yes my father runs cat in his excavation business but Cat isn't even a competitor to John Deere in the agricultural market. John Deere is the only company that can completely supply a modern farm with every piece of equipment.
yea, but Deere makes their tractors so Only they can fix them. They are even trying to make it illegal for anybody else but them to fix the tractors.... of course the conman is going to slick-talk his way into using your backdoor.
@@aliceeliot6389 yeah but you gotta pay to play especially when they're the only game in town. The super farms spending millions on equipment don't have any choice, there's just too much for the little dealers to handle and Deere has the biggest lineup of agricultural equipment hands down.
Where I'm from its an odd setup, to the north is Kubota, South is deere, west is case and east is a port where alot of the other tractors will come in from. Usually once or twice a year you'll have a tractor and some implement drive down main street away from the port to go to the farm land. I still remember the looks on my kids face when they saw a huge new Holland with quad tracks and a massive row planter behind it as we were leaving krogers. Then a smaller NH with wheels on the front and tracks on the back towing a windrower right behind the big one.
Bro where you live I'm in kansas and some of my first memories were driving by the John deer shop with the big ass tractors right up the road In the middle of nowhere
@thegreenerthemeaner the local Massey Dealer is still around. Yes it switched from Oliver, to white, then to Massey. I didn't think I had to go through the whole family tree to get my point across.
@shakinbottles812 idk. Does this disprove the reality where I'm from? The 2 local deere dealers are gone. The Ford (now Nh) also dealt Allis tractors, IH and White (Agco now) are all still here. What he said is not true here. EC Wi.
Never thought of that but I can think of three JD dealers all with in under an hour drive from house. And the Massey combine thing is spot on. Everyone had a Massey combine on their farm.
In eastern pa our local JD dealer had their franchise pulled from them. A smaller family dealership. My dad had older equipment and they treated everyone equally. Now my dad has to drive about an hour to a mega dealer that will actually help and call back. The dealer that is closer has been there for years but was never great- after the family dealer didn’t have JD anymore the closer dealer got worse. My dad is older but he has point blank said if he was younger he would never buy another JD again after what they’ve done.
We had a New Holland dealer, Deere, Massey, Case IH all in a 30 min drive. The Case dealer went to pot and truthfully the Deere dealership is basically a lawn a garden center with 2 big tractors. Most big guys are leaning to Claas and Fendt
The Fendt row crop machines are ridiculously advanced. I went through a training course involving them a while back and couldn’t even figure out how to get the PTO turned on, but damn if they’re not badass and comfortable.
I worked for a John Deere dealership i was their delivery guy , wasn't a bad job met some cool people seen some nice sites , and every day was different
Deere pushed several dealerships out in some areas. They also told the dealership what ther could sell and not sell. Several smaller dealership got push out or brought out and became Like Greenmark equipment that has like 20 dealerships in my area. That are all tied to the same place.
@pigtrapper 1 my grandpa has 2 ih's both from the early 70s and the only he's had to replace are the regular maintenance parts. Idk about case personally. I just don't like john deere
@coreyfrasnelly7364 I've worked around most of em. All different sizes. There are certain ones I like from each company. Every one is over 30 years old. Newer ones are junk.... especially jd. I have a 1456 and a lp 706.
Out here in my part of the Midwest (dependingon how big a radiuswe're talking here), we've got 3 or 4 Deere dealers, 2 Case dealers, and a Classe dealer
Deere is morally , ethically bankrupt by pushing out all small dealers . Hells fire , why not completely eliminate all dealers and Deere can own the whole shooting match . I'm moving to a different brand .
I’m a truck driver and I agree Deere is everywhere. And you guys are starting to open my eyes as to what those people on those farms with the mid size house really go through. Great content
Out here in Middle of Nowhere Indiana we got a pretty decent Deere and Case dealership next to eachother. It's a thing of beauty as both are thriving very well in our town.
Allis-Chalmers was THE machine to have around our farm community (the whole county) Gleaner cornered the combine market back then. We even had a AC lawn mower. Case-White had a foothold and International was very popular too. JD had a small percentage of that market, back then, but have since come to dominate the agriculture equipment market since the 80s
And they put everything they earn back into the colony. It’s why they can afford to buy more land and new equipment, and have such a good lasting relationship with JD year after year. It’s not their fault nor John Deere’s for the phasing-out of smaller farms.. It’s just the economic climate we’re living in, and simply the nature of business.
As an inventory manager at an agco dealer, I can say that we are the only dealer in north and central Texas, it suck due to people having to come from all over the state just to get parts or equipment from us
We had an old john deer model 2010 from the 60s maybe. It always had something wrong with it. It would take ua a week to fix it to run it for 3 days. The reason why i loved it was because my grandpa my dad my brother all bonded over the anger, frustation, rage, venom, sending me to find tools that noone had seen 25 years. But i got time with my loved ones. After my grandpa passed and dads health has gotten worse because of his loss. But he bought a massey with every attachment he can find, to go with all the old implements we had and all the ones we invented and built. We were also metal workers of some sort..machinists, metal fab shops, welders, body men , and BlackSmiths and knife makers. He is in love with that massey. Just loves it. Im putting the time in with it... Putting on a detachable canopy for him and since he is a Ginger lol the sun will cause him to explode in flame...I want to ruq In the late 70s we had an I.H. i thank gr you
In Australia alot of the rural towns only have access to Massey dealerships Deere has become like the Starbucks of Australia, only in more populated towns for inflated prices
There's a john deere dealership in the neighboring town tbats been there all my life, but has gone through something like 3 owners (obviously companies like midwest machinery and such) in that time, and has managed to remain there
They also made a lot of other merchandise. Like hats, shirts, toys etc. Made tractors full of cash from that and got their name out there and made it popular.
I thought it was them keeping all that info on how to diagnose and fix broken parts and software.
Nah. That just gives them consistent year round profit. The dealers is what made the difference post crisis
I think the lack of self repair hurts farmers more than it helps dealers. It is really short sighted
@@claudeyaz 200% agree
Parts would be a big part for sure I work for a large brand name company that sells debarkers and that’s how we make all our money and boatloads of it too
@@claudeyaz printers make almost zero money, its all about selling ink at a fortune, razors dont make much money, although if you sell razor blades at insane prices you make tons of money
They effectively destroyed every family owned dealership and customer service went straight down the crapper. We farm with older equipment like 4240, 4450,4640. Newest is an 8410 and a 9600 combine and we do ALL repairs ourselves. The parts guys are annoyed the second you grace the door. We were told that the local dealership has a list of the top 50 clients in their region and the guys at the counter basically have a dossier on them which they must familiarize themselves with and if ANY of them come in they have to prioritize them over all else. I've literally been 15 min into the old back and forth parts search for our "old obsolete crap" when a big 50 comes in and suddenly YOU don't exist. Either that or you go 40 miles there, they "order" the part, you go 40 mi home, they never call you back, you call them, they say part is in, you drive 40 back, they either have wrong part or you finally get the bastards to admit they never ordered it, drive 40 mi home, 40 back to dealer to finally get part, 40 back home.... now it's raining for the next week....
Nothing speaks like personal experience
Parts Guy here. Sad fact is 20% of our customers make us 80% of our income. Them folks keep the lights on for everyone else.
That still doesn’t justify dog service. Just because someone is in the 20% right now doesn’t mean they won’t be in the future. I have been in sales for 10 years and one of the smallest dogwater accounts we had has become a major account because we have them the service they needed and didn’t blow them off.
@@jwgest Scum bucket mentality right there.
@@sawyerlachance7745 aye. Justify, nope. Was hoping to explain the perception. Not many things as satisfying as helping a customer achieve growth.
nobody runs from a warranty claim like a Deere dealer.
😂😂what? That's a huge source of revenue, so nah
Troll talk
@@deerrunner3617 But it's catchy.
We have a local farmer who farms over 10,000 acres. He had a repair bill of over 40k to replace an IVT. He claims it was a warranty issue. Deere denied his claim. He went 2 miles down the road and bought 5 or 6 brand new Case 600 quadtrax. He wasn't shy about letting Van Wall know he'll never spend another penny there.
I've worked for three different colors over the years, you will not find a better warranty/support then Deere, PERIOD.
Just cause someone "feels" it's warranty doesn't mean it's warranty!
I think they call that a monopoly sir
Nope its about survive
Literally not a monopoly
People are so quick to call something a monopoly if they are a giant in the industry, not everything is a fucking monopoly
Finally a voice of reason, I understand that someone is hurt that John Dear has crazy prices now, but you have to take into account inflation and the fact that they have to make a comeback after Covid.@@_Quazarz
That’s the beauty of a distribution system my friend. It doesn’t make you a bad investor just because everyone else pulls out. That’s called discipline
Only the big farms can afford to take equipment to the dealer. The small guys fix their own machines. Right to Repair is vital to the ability of the small farms to compete with the giant operations.
why do you believe "small guys" can compete with giant operations in any capacity?
Apprentice from a 16000 acre farm here.
The mechanics here also fix most parts, be it Deere or Fendt or Claas.
Though for specialty parts they just call the dealership and a service van is there within 30-60 minutes usually.
@stormy224 agree, if your farming 350-400 acres you'd be money ahead just to take the rent money and move along.
@@11fifteen it's more like "allow" the little guys to exist by allowimg them to repair their own machines, instead of pricing them out of their livelihoods.
Stormy I think they can... When the government doesn't rape them, and companies, unlike john deere, make reliable products that the farmer can fix themselves.
Deere is terrible with dealerships. They created monsters. The dealerships are owned by huge outfits who now have 8 12 15 dealers in a specific area. They consolidated so much. They want forty to fifty miles between dealerships
You’re saying 50 miles is too much…?
@@VinylUnboxings that's the closest. Image that you have to drive 50 to the closest gas station or church or even a gallon of milk. You can't run into a quick stop and buy a lower cross auger for a 9600. Each piece of equipment is specialized and not all dealerships have each piece. Last season I had to drive over 200 miles one way for a 32 dollar bearing. When your livelihood is based on what happens in the space of a few weeks it's critical.
@@VinylUnboxingsNearly every county seat had one along with any other store a farmer needed to visit. Ours got consolidated and moved. Now the closest one of 3 is 30 miles, and IF they have your part. The 2 are 32 and 35 but that's from my place. Visit all 3 then home and you've wasted a whole morning to the tune of 120 miles. I ain't in the game anymore but do some fetching when I go to the Dr. I understand their "logistics" but this inventory shell game sucks like a Dyson.
Wow you just find things to complain about.
sounds like someone’s mad at another’s success
To all the farmers out there- thank you for busting your ass to provide for the rest of us. For all the times you've had to borrow just to get through the season and for pushing on when nobody but a madman would.
Sincerely, thank you for everything you do. It doesn't get said nearly enough but we love you for it. ❤️
Gay.
@@pizzashit69really living up to your name 🤣
Prove you love the farmers by pressuring lawmakers to pass better and stronger right to repair bills
Farming is everyone’s bread and butter
@@PInk77W1 And john deere loves margarine
There was a big combine Deere broke down in a field a new one. They flew engineers , designers , their best mechanics to fix it. They couldn’t. My friends dad told them he could fix in two days but if they wanted to watch that would cost them big . He broke the drives down replaced the bearings and gears and had it going in 3 days by himself. He’s a 68 year old father that works on tractors out of a old box truck . He said they paid him like a movie star
Respect to your friends dad, a lifetime of practical know how is not to be underestimated. Glad he knew the worth of his knowledge and that the company paid him well for it.
So, he totally failed and missed the deadline for getting paid, but still got paid?
@Kevin-bl6lg Total failure? Come on man, really?
@@Clarkticus man claims 2 days max and didn't deliver.
He said two days but not maximum two days, the point of his story was that all of the engineers couldn’t fix it at all and he was able to get it done and teach them how to do it. They paid him well because they valued the learning experience he provided them. 2 vs 3 days timeline doesn’t seem like it was very relevant to the situation
I hated it when Brown county Ohio lost our Massey Ferguson dealer. Nicest family you'd ever met.
I love the brown county fair
Brown county fair goes hard
@@HunterJohnson-li5md yes it does.
@@HunterJohnson-li5md not what it used to be but still the biggest county fair in Ohio. We used to get the big rides that the State Fair got. And we used to get the National Tractor Pulling Association that was sponsored here. Still get some big names but not like we did 15 or 20 years ago.
A farmer I know has a massy still it runs and can be used but it's stored away because they don't make them anymore so he will keep it until it rots he said and I don't blame him
Our towns Deere dealership has a couple of golden employees that will talk you out of buying new Deere equipment. The oldest guy in the building will tell you to go buy anything that isn't green because you'll go broke trying to afford Deere parts.
Integrity doesn't stop, even if it means losing money. Honesty knows no limits. I'd bet that old wise man was once in the military.
Break one of their curves windows? You'll need a loan to fix it
@@jamesmccormick2696 holy jesus man. You'll need two loans to pay for that nonsense.
In sweden they are called john dyr instead of deere. And dyr means expensive... So they are called john expensive
@@casimir92it’s not the Deere parts it’s the damn service requirements on the new equipment. Damn anything breaks and you gotta call out the dealership to send someone out to look at it then wait for parts and when they get in from corporate then get that shit fixed. It’s a scam. Deere makes more money on service calls than they do on selling new tractors
Keep in mind that the dealership/service center model is why those dealerships exist. They're there, because how else would they screw you.
Trademarking their shade of green probably helped too
Now they're getting hit with lawsuits because they're making their tractors to where you can't work on them yourself.
MF they have ALWAYS made them like that. Grow up and read the news paper, right to repair has been banned in the US for a while. See apple
@@avacadomangobanana2588 Woah man, calm down.
As they deserve
@@avacadomangobanana2588no you idiot, it’s literally been under 5 years for John Deere and apple. Teslas been doing this the longest. Prolly too young to remember 🤣🤣
@@avacadomangobanana2588apple is overpriced pos
John Deere did an excellent job marketing the product. Toys to the kids and lawn mowers to the suburbs so they can have a green tractor like real farmers
My suburban grandfather is so proud of his green John Deere
Id prefer an older Ford.
Yup
Over priced mowers so public can have "green" paint
I've never understood why americans have huge fucking lawnmowers for tiny lawns
Rest in peace FIC in Findlay, Ohio. Gone but not forgotten.
it would explain why they're against your right to repair lol
The one thing that pisses me off about John Deere dealerships is they pushed out the mom and pop dealer and replaced them with the large franchise dealer. Once these franchise owners have control of an area, the prices for parts skyrocketed.
I seen a case franchise merge with a elevator. The price for parts, service and equipment went through the roof, and they brag about it at the share holders meeting. Between equipment and selling them your grain they got you by the balls.
You need them everywhere, cause when they break down in the field and require dealer only software to reboot it, you better be sure a dealer is nearby. They fight "Right To Repair" at every opportunity
Well guess who foots those bills in the name of big corperations? It’s always republicans. Those who always “protect the farmers”
@@avacadomangobanana2588 Always someone to make it political lol. Also , how can anyone trust the word of a man who would butcher such a simple word in the English language😅💀
@@jampacc becuase politics is literally everything you absolute nut
@@jampacc yo fr bro spelled “corperation” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 plus i dont think republicans are footing the bill for john deere? 🤣 politicians dont pay for companies companies pay for politicians in lobbying.
@@jampacc he is right, and it is an inherently political issue. there was a right to repair bill in a state somewhere, can't remember where right now, but most of the "no" votes were republican politicians and most of the "yes" votes were democrats.
Had a neighbor in the 90's who's job was doing inventory on J.D. dealerships going out of business. He was a busy guy and not the only one closing out dealers.
Merchandise sales have to be a massive factor too, every boy in America probably has a John Deere shirt or toy tractor from Deere at some point in life
We got a Deere dealership on one side of town. Kubota on the other. That's it.
What’s the new one that’s being made here?
We got a case, jd, kubota
@Busy Bee Farms that's a goddamn Mexican standoff
Where I'm at it's a Kubota dealer to the north of the farm land, deere to the south and case to the west. Port to the east and that's where alot of New Hollands and a few of the others come in at.
Where I’m at there’s a kioti,kubota,deere,massey
Deere still pushed them out too. You must be in Iowa, Nebraska, or Wisconsin (big farm country) cause everywhere else lost their local family owned Deere dealer. Nothing but conglomerates that own at least 3 stores now
That’s not really a Deere issue that’s a issue of what you see with the family farm. As one company grows they can just keep buying up stores same as how big farms just keep buying up small farms
@@144019jans ahh I agree and I disagree with you. When I was a kid there were family owned JD dealers every 10 miles (or closer) here in western Pennsylvania. I’m only 36 for reference. Yes, Deere couldn’t have that many stores today and remain competitive, but the one off family owned stores were lost because of John Deere. Let me explain… they were lost because Deere made it impossible to compete because of quotas they placed on machinery orders and parts orders. The conglomerates pool their machine orders together and split it up between all their stores. So who do you think gets preference and cost savings? A dealer that orders five 1025r tractors or a conglomeration that orders 50 each season? I’m not trying to argue or sound like a know it all, but in this case I’m right and I do know most all of it.
@@144019jans it is a Deere issue because they pushed out all the small dealers about 10 years ago. They forced them to either join larger dealer networks or Deere would not provide any parts.
I know because I work at a Deere dealer.
Yep
I'm from Iowa, and we DID loose Deere dealers in the 1980's.
I'm 64 and I actually remember the 1980's.
We need more competition or John deere will answer to no one
In my country JD is has about the same market segment size as MF and New Holland, with Landini, Case and Kubota also selling a lot of equipment.
The one thing they did is make sure they are the only ones who can sell you John deer parts
you obviously haven't been to a Lowe's or home depot lately
Dah
@@TheBluegoatman thats mtd rebadged
@@TheBluegoatmanbuddy…have you?
Back in the 1930s JD carried Farmers notes and even gave them mortgages on advantageous terms, it’s not new, it’s a tradition
That’s why you go to Mahindra Dealerships.
That was the defining factor to my last JD purchase over every other available option. In all, most manufacturers make equal or similar equipment, but it was the dealer network that made me land on JD.
The P function on the gear lever to park the transmission is the best function.
@Busy Bee Farms don't know but it was a major reason why our farm in NZ has green tractors, safety when out of the cab. My dad and granddad got ran over by tractors, granddad went under steel wheels, Fordson major and became paralyzed, dad with his ford Dexter just got chest bruises and had bloodshot eyes for 2 weeks,
John deere might have taken 20-30 years longer to do so they have lost dealers to. Most if not all the small 1 or 2 location mom and pop dealers are gone. Driven out by corporate dealers lobbying john deere who in turn made sales requirements corporate knew the small dealers couldnt follow.
The John Deere dealer in Brown county Ohio got pushed out by John Deere to become Ag-Pro. I hated seeing the people who owned the dealership not be there any more
Fact. Pretty sure there is only one single store JD dealer left in Kansas, in Liberal.
@@everettroyer3011 way more than 1 in Kansas but I get what you're saying!
no one lobbied Deere to do a thing. Deere tells the dealers what stores they can have and where. in fact Deere controls what parts they can sell. if you don't have a golf contract you can't sell parts to golf specific equipment. same with construction. if a store is ag and turf no construction parts. Deere controls it all.
@@TheBluegoatman Deere is a company with many employees not a singular organism. As you said they make rules that govern their dealers. The people that make those rules do so with their own self interest at heart. The dealers with 20 stores have better hunting leases, better beach houses, go on better trips, buy better food and return better commissions. The guy with 2 stores whose his nose is to the grindstone keeping his customers going doesnt have any of that. Who do you think those people make rules to favor? They didnt cut the small guy off completely, they just made it unprofitable and to difficult to continue.
love the old farmall/IH/McCormick tractors, no fancy buttons or ac
Who Else is randomly getting a lot of content about farming, from this guy?
When Deere started selling through the box stores I lost all respect
So you're upset over buying a lawnmower at Lowes? GTFOH
My old man ran massey ferguson for years ... still got a 383 weighted down i use for logging and grinder mixer...simple and easy to work on, reliable 😃
Being consistent is the key
My MF35 is my favorite tractor in the world.
100 years old and still starts right up with the push of a button.
Deere really is the only option for the bigger farms near my parents. Yes there are New Holland and case IH dealer's around but John Deere is the only one that will send technicians and equipment to the big farms. I'm sure they're making money doing it but these dairy farmers don't have time to deal with trucking broken equipment to the dealership and dealing with the down time. John Deere even sends loaners to the big farms when they need them.
CAT moves heaven and earth to support its large customers and it’s probably the only reason anything can get done in the country still. But they aren’t as evil as John Deere with their parts management because construction has options yet. Also you get charged up the ass by them but they know what perks people care about.
@@alexmills1329 yes my father runs cat in his excavation business but Cat isn't even a competitor to John Deere in the agricultural market. John Deere is the only company that can completely supply a modern farm with every piece of equipment.
yea, but Deere makes their tractors so Only they can fix them. They are even trying to make it illegal for anybody else but them to fix the tractors.... of course the conman is going to slick-talk his way into using your backdoor.
And they send you an overblown bill for it
@@aliceeliot6389 yeah but you gotta pay to play especially when they're the only game in town. The super farms spending millions on equipment don't have any choice, there's just too much for the little dealers to handle and Deere has the biggest lineup of agricultural equipment hands down.
I got a MF dealership 10 miles from my house, but I have to pass the Deere dealership to get there
Where I'm from its an odd setup, to the north is Kubota, South is deere, west is case and east is a port where alot of the other tractors will come in from. Usually once or twice a year you'll have a tractor and some implement drive down main street away from the port to go to the farm land. I still remember the looks on my kids face when they saw a huge new Holland with quad tracks and a massive row planter behind it as we were leaving krogers. Then a smaller NH with wheels on the front and tracks on the back towing a windrower right behind the big one.
Several years ago JD dropped Northern Tool in Forest Lake, Minnesota as a dealer. There were some bad feelings about that.
Electronically lock any maintenance diagnostic work so that you’d be forced to go to a dealer to have work done 😂
Deere were the local dealers that went out in the 80s. The IH and the Massey/Oliver stuck around. You gotta drive an hour + to find a Deere dealer.
Bro where you live I'm in kansas and some of my first memories were driving by the John deer shop with the big ass tractors right up the road In the middle of nowhere
Oliver went out around 74 with MM.
@thegreenerthemeaner the local Massey Dealer is still around. Yes it switched from Oliver, to white, then to Massey. I didn't think I had to go through the whole family tree to get my point across.
@shakinbottles812 idk. Does this disprove the reality where I'm from? The 2 local deere dealers are gone. The Ford (now Nh) also dealt Allis tractors, IH and White (Agco now) are all still here. What he said is not true here. EC Wi.
Never thought of that but I can think of three JD dealers all with in under an hour drive from house. And the Massey combine thing is spot on. Everyone had a Massey combine on their farm.
In eastern pa our local JD dealer had their franchise pulled from them. A smaller family dealership. My dad had older equipment and they treated everyone equally. Now my dad has to drive about an hour to a mega dealer that will actually help and call back. The dealer that is closer has been there for years but was never great- after the family dealer didn’t have JD anymore the closer dealer got worse. My dad is older but he has point blank said if he was younger he would never buy another JD again after what they’ve done.
Very true, even in South Africa they managed to keep all dealers and have become the biggest company even here
My grandpa still runs some Hardy Harvesters, pretty sure they’re from the 70’s. Runs 2,000 acres of rice.
We had a New Holland dealer, Deere, Massey, Case IH all in a 30 min drive. The Case dealer went to pot and truthfully the Deere dealership is basically a lawn a garden center with 2 big tractors. Most big guys are leaning to Claas and Fendt
The Deere dealership by me is basically a glorified pawn and garden store also. I think they have like 8 tractors on the lot, if that
The Fendt row crop machines are ridiculously advanced. I went through a training course involving them a while back and couldn’t even figure out how to get the PTO turned on, but damn if they’re not badass and comfortable.
I never knew how remote of an area i lived in until i relized theres no john deere dealerships near me.
Our town still has a JD, case, NH and Kabota not the biggest town on the map but we kept all the dealerships
I sold my dog’s Massey 750 because he got hip dysplasia and couldn’t climb up into it anymore. He was a good farmpaw until that happened.☹️
I thought we're going to say keep it green and yellow
I know almost nothing about farming equipment, but from my perspective it seems like JD successfully pulled a Walmart
I worked for a John Deere dealership i was their delivery guy , wasn't a bad job met some cool people seen some nice sites , and every day was different
I can assure you they did not keep all the dealers. Please ask me how I know 😊
Yup. January 1, 2007 was our last day as a JD dealer. Not big enough. Sound familiar?
Deere pushed several dealerships out in some areas. They also told the dealership what ther could sell and not sell. Several smaller dealership got push out or brought out and became Like Greenmark equipment that has like 20 dealerships in my area. That are all tied to the same place.
Deere supporting their dealers was the genius move that saved their business along with legacy parts access
Me, not a farmer: "Yep, he's right."
They should just rename their business to Government Deere at this point.
They still don't hold a candle to an International Harvester
still gotta go to the dang case house to get parts. The 2 around here are horrible.
@pigtrapper 1 my grandpa has 2 ih's both from the early 70s and the only he's had to replace are the regular maintenance parts. Idk about case personally. I just don't like john deere
Please John Deere is king and you know it
@coreyfrasnelly7364 I've worked around most of em. All different sizes. There are certain ones I like from each company. Every one is over 30 years old.
Newer ones are junk.... especially jd.
I have a 1456 and a lp 706.
I'm gay and live in San Francisco but watch every single one of Barntalk shorts
I actually have a tri green shop and a Case IH dealer within 20 miles of each other. Pretty cool to see them moving equipment sometimes
What keeps deere alive is their bank. John deere credit is the largest lender in the world.
No they aren’t….
They kept their dealers because they don't support right to repair. They're also in the pockets of people in power.
in a slightly larger town bout 30 mins from me theyve got a case dealer on one end and a john deere dealer on the other
Out here in my part of the Midwest (dependingon how big a radiuswe're talking here), we've got 3 or 4 Deere dealers, 2 Case dealers, and a Classe dealer
People are mad at Deere but they won. Literally beat out all the competitors
Deere is morally , ethically bankrupt by pushing out all small dealers . Hells fire , why not completely eliminate all dealers and Deere can own the whole shooting match . I'm moving to a different brand .
My local deere dealer is in the heart of the suburbs, they sell riding lawn mowers and nursery tractors lol
I didn't know there was farm drama. I never worked on a farm. I don't know how I got here. But I'm loving it!
I’m a truck driver and I agree Deere is everywhere. And you guys are starting to open my eyes as to what those people on those farms with the mid size house really go through. Great content
That sounds like a very subtle form of "monopoly" if you ask me...
Hard to believe International Harvester is gone,back in the 60's and 70's JD,IH ,is all you heard of
Out here in Middle of Nowhere Indiana we got a pretty decent Deere and Case dealership next to eachother.
It's a thing of beauty as both are thriving very well in our town.
Allis-Chalmers was THE machine to have around our farm community (the whole county) Gleaner cornered the combine market back then. We even had a AC lawn mower. Case-White had a foothold and International was very popular too. JD had a small percentage of that market, back then, but have since come to dominate the agriculture equipment market since the 80s
Used to work for a CAT dealer that also sold Massey in CA only left 2 weeks ago
Being in central IA, there's 4 deere dealers within a 45 minute drive, 1 NH dealer, and 1 CIH (but the there was 2 but like 5 consolidated into 1)
Don’t forget that the Hutterites are there biggest customers owning multiple combines and millions and millions of dollars worth of other equipment
And they put everything they earn back into the colony. It’s why they can afford to buy more land and new equipment, and have such a good lasting relationship with JD year after year. It’s not their fault nor John Deere’s for the phasing-out of smaller farms.. It’s just the economic climate we’re living in, and simply the nature of business.
Growing up, there was a John Deere dealership near where I lived. AND I WAS LIVING IN GERMANY AT THE TIME.
As an inventory manager at an agco dealer, I can say that we are the only dealer in north and central Texas, it suck due to people having to come from all over the state just to get parts or equipment from us
Weve had the same deere kawasaki dealer in my town for as long as i can remember. All the car lots are gone but the agg dealers are still here
Honestly I love the pro gators, used to drive them all the time on sites and it was lovely tbf
They have the gold standard for excavator controls imo.
I know nothing about farming planed on never learning about farming. These guys keep showing up on my feed and I love it.
💯 i have a jd riding mover.... local place almost always has everything i ever needed IN STOCK.
Funny thing is the only dealer still around where I'm at is a CASE dealer the John Deer dealer left about 6 or 7 years ago.
We had an old john deer model 2010 from the 60s maybe. It always had something wrong with it. It would take ua a week to fix it to run it for 3 days. The reason why i loved it was because my grandpa my dad my brother all bonded over the anger, frustation, rage, venom, sending me to find tools that noone had seen 25 years. But i got time with my loved ones. After my grandpa passed and dads health has gotten worse because of his loss. But he bought a massey with every attachment he can find, to go with all the old implements we had and all the ones we invented and built. We were also metal workers of some sort..machinists, metal fab shops, welders, body men , and BlackSmiths and knife makers. He is in love with that massey. Just loves it. Im putting the time in with it... Putting on a detachable canopy for him and since he is a Ginger lol the sun will cause him to explode in flame...I want to ruq In the late 70s we had an I.H. i thank gr you
Never thought phone repair technicians and farmers would share a common goal but here we are
In Australia alot of the rural towns only have access to Massey dealerships Deere has become like the Starbucks of Australia, only in more populated towns for inflated prices
I’m ten minutes from the closest John Deere dealer and there’s one less than an hour in any direction
I have no idea about farming, but I keep getting recommended these shorts and I’m not mad at it
Kubota has become a pretty popular brand in my area over the last ten ish years. Only dealers around are Deere and Kubota
Exactly what franchise dealers are important.
We still got our Case dealer. Near Belle Glade
Thought he was going to say put in a cup holder 😂
Owning their dealerships was the best move they could have made
I thought he was going to say branded hats! LOL
Idk, back then they told their dealers “buy more locations or lose it all” now they are all consolidated.
I can think of at least one local dealer that Deere pulled out of
There's a john deere dealership in the neighboring town tbats been there all my life, but has gone through something like 3 owners (obviously companies like midwest machinery and such) in that time, and has managed to remain there
Right to repair. That’s why I have so much contempt towards John Deere.
They also made a lot of other merchandise. Like hats, shirts, toys etc.
Made tractors full of cash from that and got their name out there and made it popular.