Testshooting an original Colt 1860 Army vs Uberti 1860 Army
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This is a small comparsion of an oroginal percussion revolver with its modern replica. Hope you enjoy it! - Věda a technologie
I really like that you add technical data to your video's for example ball diameters and bore diameters. Keep up the great video's, they help me considerably.
Thank you for the explanation on paper cartridges, as well as the demonstration of their various forms. Great video
These Videos you make are fantastic - informative and enjoyable. Nice Job !
Nice to see an original 1860 in action! I don't understand collectors who say you should never fire such a gun? As long as it is loaded lightly and cleaned lightly there should be no problem. Do they think these guns were made out of balsa wood and tissue paper? Have more faith in Samuel Colt!
They aren't stainless steel either and many of them were used hard and hardly cleaned. The originals are a long way from being new. That means you may have hidden rust deposits that can turn a high priced toy into shrapnel.
Agree 100%. I have an original third model in fantastic condition. I have recently had it serviced with a few internal parts being replaced and the cylinder retimed. Mechanically it is as it was when it left Sam's factory in 1859. But I would never fire it.
because with every shot it loses it's worth in dollars. that's why.
Realistically, if the barrel, cylinder and the wedge are in good shape and you use reasonable loads there is not much change you'd damage the pistol.
However, I and, I'm sure, other people don't like taking chances with something that valuable.
That's the reason I don't shoot mine.
Also taking it apart and cleaning is not something I enjoy ;)
Fone Star they belong in a museum!
Very thorough review of two fascinating pieces! Keep up the good work. I'll be subscribing.
Fascinating. It was interesting to learn how improvement in steel affected gun construction and about the early paper cartridges.
Great shooting. It's nice to see a gun of that age still doing that well. Thanks.
The 1860 could not use the same "load" as the Walker or Dragoon revolvers. The walker could handle a 60gr charge of powder behind a roundball, the Dragoon would take 50gr, and the 1860 would shoot a max charge of around 35 grains.
Aside from that comment, this was a good video. And it is great to see someone enjoying and sharing an original colt.
True what you say. I still think I would be reluctant to charge the Walker to it's full potential, due to their nasty habit of exploding cylinders...
Zardoch on the originals, yes. They had iron cylinders. Today's reproductions use steel that metallurgically makes the "silver spring steel" that colt began using in the 1860 army look like aluminum. With the extra strength of modern steel, the Walker replicas can be charged to full all day long.
Zardoch actually, the originals could handle it and more.
If was because of the gun heating up and it not given time to cool down.
The metal became softer and it resulted in ruptures. And again it was because metallurgy wasn’t as good back then.
The newer ones can definitely handle it, and all day long, the only part that my got not take it so well is the wedge.
Thank you. I saw a tool do a video on the dragoon and short changed the powder. Might as well be shooting the army for load he used
I think what he meant to say was that power levels were similar. True enough about the cylinder volumes. Walkers 60 grains, dragoons 50 grains armys 35 grains. But because of the pistol lenght barrels the performance of the army was close enough for government work. With full charges the walker might get another 100 fps. At close combat distance it wouldnt make that much difference. The better handling and lighter weight of the army would more than make up the difference.
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Thanks for an excellent & detailed review. Really excellent that you gave details of both guns & the loads & ball size. Congratulations on your English which is perfect my friend!
Thank you for your information.I greatly appreciate your very well detailed information.Surprisingly, these things are often either unknown or not available in much of US books & magazines on subject.Ex: Only some of more advanced collectors I've spoken with were aware of Colt's change of steel formula you mentioned.Keep up your interesting videos
Beautiful peice of history you have there!
You are verry fortunate to live right where in my opinion the best replica firearms are made. Ubertis are hard to come by here but they are well worth the trouble to find them. Thanks for showing the original Colt Ive never seen one being fired so that was great. Keep that camera rolling im a big fan of the cap and ball revolvers.
Your experience parallels my own with the cap and ball.
Excellent video. Very informative. Thank you.
6:36 I NEARLY HAD A HEART ATTACK
Thanks for posting this. I have an 1860 Colt replica that I shoot regularly, but this is the first I've seen someone actually shoot an original & comparing to a replica (good groups by the way).
Awesome vid! Loved that you compared the two. I have an 1851 Navy 44 Pietta and it's an amazing firearm and use it as a home defense weapon even though I have a Sig SP2022 9mm. It's been extremely reliable along with my Remy 870 12 gauge as a backup.. I guess I have a thing for the oldies. Thanks for posting!
Beautiful revolver. Always wanted one of those!
I appreciate your endeavor.
Thanks for the bore view of the original Colt rifling.
Roughly estimating the rifling twist based on degrees of rotatiion in an 8" barrel, The original Colt rifling appears to have been about 1:24" in the last 3" of barrel, and about 1:48" in the first 5" of barrel.
The "apparent" twist would be about 1:32" which may explain why so many early replicas had that rifling twist. An original's measured "gain-twist" rifling would seem to be 1:32" instead of its actual 1:24" final twist.
Hey brother, awesome video, great information, thanks for sharing, keep looking up!
Very educational. Can anyone today imagine the horror of reloading any of those cap and ball firearms during battle? You have a very cool accent.
Very well done video with terrific information. It is so nice to watch and listen to a video where the author knows what he is talking about.
Excellent, and well done. Thank you.
The Uberti Dragoons (since 2002) have 1:18" twist rifling and will shoot full-charged conicals very accurately. A full 50gr charge under a round ball in a Dragoon can hit around 1300 fps, allowing a round ball to "skid" in the fast rifling twist. The conical's much longer bearing surface will securely grip the fast rifling even at 1100+fps.
You likely have a Pietta Remington, with slower 1:30" rifling, which will not let the ball's short bearing suface "skid" even at 1200fps.
Great Video! Thanks a ton for posting. I've been debating whether or not I should shoot my original 1860
good bullets ,incredible shooting!
Excellent video. Have you considered doing a full dis/reassembly video?
I enjoy your videos very much. You really know your stuff.
awesome revolvers!!
Nice and instructive !!
From what I gathered online the earlier colt models were made from wrought iron, hence the weak cylinders possible due to silicone inclusions. When the 1860 came out it was made from steel and much stronger allowing for flutted cylinders, .44 calibers, and a huge reduction in weight. The dragoons weighed 4.2lbs while the 1860’s that replaced it weighed 2.6lbs. Yet in .44 cal. A big step up from the iron 1851 model in .36cal.
Modern smokeless powder offers high velocity, so that relatively small bullets get a great power (f.e. 357 magnum). Old black power couldn't get that speed so big bore bullets were needed to achieve enough power
Excellent video , very good shooting also !
Love your videos.
Good overview! I'm eyeballing one of those Uberti Armys right now.
What a great video,,, very well done...
Sweet Colt man, I am envious. That's a lot of money your risking by shooting it lol but thanks. Good video.
Thank you for an interesting video.
very nice vid sir!! very complete
Beautiful gun!
I love the Uberti replica revolvers!
Hi from France, very interesting vid, thanks .
Great vid... both guns are beauties...
Watching thst old horse fire was awsome
Awesome! I have one of the Runnin Irons coming also in the 3-1/2" barrel in .45 Colt they sent me a 4-3/4" last week I unboxed it and was bummed out they sent the wrong pistol it is a Deluxe model man was it smooth I had to box it back up and ship it right back to Taylor's now the gunsmith is out for a couple weeks so I won't get it for a month now!
Very interesting!
absolutely AMAZING video!
Is the lockup on the cylinder of your original tight? Is the timing still good?
There is an original 1860 army at my local store for 1200$ cad, is this a reasonable price?
Nice one !
Hi from Malta. Great video.
beautiful guns
Nice groups! I have the Uberti 1860 on order from Taylors & Co. and also a Remington 1858 both are on backorder :( I have my 1849 Pocket, and Ruger 5-1/2 Old Army that I'am shooting until the other two arrive:) I have conversion cylinders for both 32 S&W for the 1849 & 45 Colt for the Ruger I have been loading black powder loads to fire through them it is a lot of fun!
I congratulate you on your excellent "grouping", with both, the original Colt & the Uberti! (Sad to say, that I was never quite so good, with any of my C&B replicas!) Keep your powder dry!
awesome, i just ordered one from Dixie Gun Works. cant wait..
I thought you said 80 grains...I was waiting for the gun to explode.
is the uberti 1860 colt better then pietta? i cant really tell the difference since theirs no videos of them 2 vs each other
Love the accent!
Nice shooting there Tex. My .36 Navy will put them all in the same hole if I do my part.
Dobar video.
Do you know what year your uberti was made ? mine was made in 1970 and wandering if any changes to the gun were made since 1970. I have been shooting .451 round balls w/ 25gn. 3F Goex. I would like to try your load to compare . I have the same brass mold you have , did you use that mold ?
The word cartridge comes from carta which means paper.
What is the gap between the drum and barrel in the original ? And what , in its replica ?
What was the opening of the new Colts , there are some old information on this?
Was my understanding that the Walker used 60 grains and the dragoon was 40 or 45 grains and the army was 35 to 40 grains? I only ask since you said they are the same.
Thanks, I appreciate explanation. I know there are moulds currently being made duplicating original conical bullet. Is there anyone that sells these bullets already cast?I did find some round nosed(not round balls) .454 pure lead bullets, that shot quite well in both Rem & Colt repros. Unfortunately, caster no longer in business. Originals had a slightly pointed bullet, and these types, as precast bullets, don't seem to be available.
The Adventures of Huck Finn 1993.
Deputy Hines.
He has a Revolver.
prices range. I have an original model 1860 which is a 4 screw, nickel plated made in 1861. very early serial number . value of $2500. if the gun is pitted and has no bluing left, like the one shown, $1500 would be a good price for a shooter.
Looking for a Lyman 310 hand press with dies 45cal.
@ 6:40 heart attack!!!!
Good ol Colt New Model Army. I have 3 now. Authentic Colt standard, Authentic Colt fluted and my most recent addition, Colt Signature Nickel plated. I have a breech stock for them as well. I tested the 60 and the Dagoon. The Dragoon smoked the 60. Colt claimed his new 'silver steel' Army outperforms the Dragoon. Well, since both of mine are made of the same steel , , m a y b e , .
Craig your right.
Your using 18 grains of what exactly?
Couple of corrections, 1860 won't hold the 50 to 60 grains the Dragoon and Walker did plus the Walker had a 9" barrel, 1" longer than the 1860. Still, a great video. Thanks.
To cosmoline... Where did you find the Uberti your looking at?
I recently obtained a Colt 2nd Gen 1860 Army. Until then, I only had Walkers and Dragoons. It was a wonderful surprise to feel the graceful and sleek, half the weight of the Dragoons, beautiful balance of this thing. Firing it was nice too. Accurate and powerful with a pleasant 'kick'. The Dragoons outshot it though. Not surprising. However, there s a shoot report from the 1860s where the Government shows it outshooting the Dragoon! Don t know what s up with that. I think Colt had something to do with it in a move to market the newer Army. He was known for his v e r y aggressive marketing methods etc.
I also have an original 1860 that is identical to yours. Mine has a 5 digit serial number. What is yours?
Target distance?
I've got an authentic 1860 colt but i believe its parts are made by Uberti but its fitted and built at the colt plant
It's a coltberti.
What necklace is that??
good stuff sweet pistol subbed ! van prepper sent me !
Without a doubt the chambers were at one time, long ago, closer to the replica diameter even if not exactly the same. It was undoubtedly very close. Years and years of use, and who knows how many shots fired, will have some wear on the chambers. It is risky to even use this gun at all without a replacement cylinder due to the damage.
I would keep the original but find another original replacement cylinder. They can be found. Many collectors also collect vintage parts and parts guns that are damaged in some way but where the cylinder might be just fine.
Thanks for putting up a great video, and you're quite handsome ;-)...but a question: When shooting the Uberti in the video, there was an odd sound immediately after firing: It sounded like a spring going "doing-doing-doooiinngg..." Every shot had this, do you know what might cause that?
Beth InEverett I imagine it is echoes from the walled shooting range, possibly bouncing back and forth between two opposite walls. Also corrugated metal can cause echoes similar to that when the sound bounces off at a shallow angle. It sounds to me like this shooting range is in a city or town area... seems like road traffic sounds in the background.
Fuzzybeanerizer
Thank you, that makes sense. I shoot way out in the woods, so have never heard sound reflections (except from yonder canyon wall).
I believe he said "corn-meal"; which iis often used as a filler between the powder and the ball.
where are you from?
Very nice! Imagine a few collectors are flinching as they watch you fire that old Colt. Not me! If you have it, shoot it! B-)
Colt was more interested in making sure the Patents were enforced more than actual quality... the company got its first military contract for only 1,000 of these.. then later lucked out when the CIVAL war broke out, they produced about 1,000 of these per day for the Union... the southerner sent saboteur to burn the factory down, by this time, Samuel Colt had passed away, and his wife ran the company better than her husband! Colt invented the ASSEMBLY line to mass produce guns.
Better than my Improved 1858 Uberti !
Hi. I want a ”short” pre 1890 revolver that is not total crap, but useable. Any hints? Swedish sellers can not guarrantee usability, and that sucks. Pre 1890 does not require license here, but still I want something that works, not just a jewel. I am engineer.
Need to compare the Civil War 1860 Colt to the 1860 Colt that was made in the 1970s
Most Americans say Yewbirdy LOL!
Is a license required for the replicas un hungary?
how come your uberti has such nice case colors, and only 3 screws like the original?
I love my Uberti 1860
I recently came into an 1860 army. It's in impressively good condition, so much so that I thought it was a fake until I had Colt verify it. Mfg in 1862. Don't think I'll ever shoot it, just worth too much to take that chance
Very Good Video.
The Original Revolver in most ways is superior to Replicas, with better Progressive, or Gain Twist Rifling, Bigger caliber and Load ports that are correctly sized to take Conical Bullets which the 1860 was designed to shoot, not round balls a modern invention as well as "Lawyer" Loads"; Originally loads went in the 30+ grains including 40. The 19th century powder(Hazard) was hotter than today's Swiss, it was in-between 3 and 4 FFFFG. Piettia makes also an excellent replica.
3 common types of handguns
Automatics-Cartrige energy used to rechamber fresh round, ex:M1911, Glock
Revolver-Cylinder, spinning on access, to index fresh round, using muscle energy of shooter,ex: "Peacemaker", Ruger Security Six
Single shot-Barrel usually integral w/chamber, requiring sequenced protocol to reload. ex:Thompson/Center Contender
Hickok doesn't recognize revolvers are revolvers regardless of where single or double action, or both.This is a basic error. Satisfied?
I can't believe he didn't get a hang up on a spent cap.I've been shooting Colt replicas for so long, It's just reflex for me to hold the muzzle skyward when I cock one. It's such an instinct that I find myself doing it on my Blackhawk, ha ha ha ha....
How deadly would you say the revolver would be vs a man in 10 meters distance and in one in 40 metes
I can't understand what your saying. 18 gr black powder and 18 grains of conwet? What are u using.... Can't understand you, thanks
I have to digress about the progressive rifling in the original 1860 Army Colts, as far as I know progressive rifling was present in the Remington 1858 New Model Army revolver in .44 caliber. Some newly manufactured replicas of the Colt might have progressive rifling but not the originals.
chapiiit08: The original Colt 1860 did have gain twist rifling. But you have to own one, or read to verify that, I have done both.
I have put 50 grains of powder in my uberti 1860 replica might have been possible to use 60 but my powder measure only went to 50
If your using 50 grains in an 1860 army your a fool.Sorry for being so blunt.
LOL... at 6:38 I thought you'd shot the camera guy... XD