Remington vs Colt revolvers firing Johntson & Dow bullets
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I am replicating an original civil war time combustible envelope cartridge to check the accuracy of my original 1860 Colt Army and 1863 Remington New Model Army. The bullet is the copy of the Johnston & Dow bullets. The excellent mold was manufactured by Mark Hubbs, Eras Gone bullet molds: erasgonebullets.webstarts.com/ - Věda a technologie
Great video. Cap and Ball is a meticulous experimentantal historian. I love his work
This video made me think of your excellent guides on how to solve the cap sucking issues.
duelist1954 I wonder if he would come to PA to join in on our late season?
I'd like to thank you for recommending cap and ball his information is great, but it was your videos that inspired me to try percussion revolvers. I am hooked. Learning the history also is fascinating.
+capandball → At 14:05 in the video:
*"Because it's a Colt. Again."*
LOL....
Agree 100% on the Remington thing. I much prefer my Remington revolvers over the Colt. Just like I prefer my Henry over the Spencer. But, everyone has their preference. Capandball, you have an amazing collection of firearms. Even here in the USA, these guns are rare to find in such good condition and when found are very expensive. Part of my family has lived in the Gettysburg area and I was exposed to Civil War firearms as a young kid. It is good to see your videos and to see originals still in shooting condition.
How is it that you take a subject that typically I am not that interested in, and make it exceptionally watchable?
I will admit - your channel does the same for me...
On a side note - I also adore the Remington New Model Army 44!
I had you in mind while watching the construction of the combustible paper cartridges.
If anyone should know...
I think it's the immence amount of justifiable salt he can bring to the video when "it's a Colt". :)
Agreed!
Man, I love the look of the open-top Colts, but there's no denying that the Remington is the better-designed gun.
I guess the solution is.... To have BOTH! :D
I've got both. If I was a Civil War soldier, I would rather have the Colt. Several of them. The Colt is a better pointer, and will shoot longer before binding up (the cylinder arbor is larger and holds more grease).
@@deandeann1541 though in my experience is the Remington doesnt start binding up until I had 48 shots in without cleaning. I'm not sure a average civil war soldier would have had the time to load and fire that many and not had a minute to scrape the fouling off at some point.
@@KR-hg8be Interesting. I get maybe 18 shots with the Reminton before the binding gets to be a problem. With the Colt I haven't shot it enough in one sitting to find it's limit, I'd guess maybe 5 cylinders at most before I have to turn the cylinder by hand. I use Traditions wonder lube or the cva equivalent (I like the Wonderlube better between the two). When cleaning I wipe the arbor down then use as much lube as the arbor will hold during reassembly. I figure the more lube the better, to keep fouling out. Maybe, though, I should try it with almost no lube, or maybe a powder lube like moly or graphite. Ideas? What lube do you have luck with for your arbors?
I own several Colt replicas and a couple Remington replicas. I consider the Remington design to be superior to the Colt, but when I am headed to the range I am much more likely to grab one or more of the Colts to come with me. They are just more fun to shoot and since I shoot for fun, the choice is simple.
@6 6 Por que no los dos? :3 ..... And a Le Mat, too!
I love the Remington revolver myself. Ive had a Lyman .44 Remington reproduction since I was a young teenager. Cast my own round balls.
2 wonderful old guns.... in the right hands of the right owner ! Great sounds....
I really appreciate your vast knowledge of these old revolvers. Thanks for another great video. I enjoy the hobby as well. 👍
Rogers & Spencer is another great revolver from that era, also no misfires contrary to the Colt(s). Only a small number of that revolvers made it to the troops just at the end of the war, all the rest landed in depository and was later sold at the civilian market. In my opinion Colt 1860 is the most beautiful of the percussion revolvers, but Rogers & Spencer the best one for shooting.
That misfire showed you have great trigger control and no flinch at all. Very good technique.
Good to see you back! I had the same percussian cap problems with my Ruger old army replica, and it was brand new. Bravo on the video!
I just got my .36 cartridge boxes from capandball and I love them!
For faster reloading with the 36 Navy, I take an empty 38 special case, fill with ffg, and push the .375 ball onto it with firm thumb pressure.
Great to have you back !👍🏻
Great comparison. Thank you for showing us these historical pieces.
I like watching your demonstrations a lot, thank you
Great job as always. Let's keep supporting this channel.
As always, interesting, informative and just plain fun to watch!
Long Live the 58 Remington
JS Alaska Remington fanboy alert
It's actually an 1863 new model.
Legend is back
The Cap and Ball hero is here !
Excellent video. I am going to have to get some of those molds and start making cartridges. What a cool way to enjoy your range time.
Love your video's! Excellent history to complete the life of these firearms. Job well done!
Great to have you back long live the 58
Dude, I love your videos, there the reason I'm obsessed with old timey guns.
You, just convinced me to get a Remington. Even in that time, Colt made you pay for the name.
Welcome back! We missed your excellent content!
What beautiful bullets, so smooth and shiny!
Great to have you back
I'd go with the colt. I'm a sucker for aesthetics and there is something so pleasing to the eye and elegant about the colt's design, even when the loading lever has the hideous hinge versus the tapered hinge shown here. That and like someone else said, the "pointability" is much better and is better for what it is...a point blank reaction pistol. And when you run out, you've got a club that'll beat someone half to hell just by looking at it
Very interesting I like the way you explain things plus the history side .Thank you .
My Johnston and Dow 44's just showed up! Now I get to work up a cartridge.
Thanks for ALL your Info!
I too have the smell in my nose!
Everyone makes a big deal about the Strength of the 1858 frame, yes it IS stronger. BUT "I Think" the Big Deal of the day was Just how Fast a mounted soldier could add a Fresh Loaded Cylinder! Just picture a bunch of mounted Troppers blazing past foot soldiers lines, both shooting at each other. The mounted ride out 100 yrds hold up and slap in a fresh cylinder and use a capper in about the same time as the foot soldiers are loaded with 1/6 the fire power?
My dude where are your subscribers serious man your channel is pure gold
Is the audio messed up for anyone else? Anyway welcome back!
Yep
I thought I was the only one! I became worried for my Ipad for a moment there.
Yep. Pretty sure it's because "it's a Colt".
Another great video. I've ordered a .36 Johnson & Dow mould from Eras Gone and I'm looking forward to your next video testing .36 conical bullets.
Imagine how much soldier die because of their Colt jam in the action ...
Imagine how many soldiers actually used a 'cavalry flick' to prevent those jams in the first place...
They would fire the gun then as they were cocking it for another shot they held the barrel up so if a spent cap fell off the nipple it would fall to the ground instead of into the action
Just put the barrel up when re-arming the colt to avoid cap jamming...
Glad to see you back!
You missed my birthday by two days but I'm still considering this a birthday present :) Glad to see you upload!
I am going to order the cartridge former and boxes from you. Thanks for the information and entertainment!
glad to see you back!
He's back! GOOD!
Good video, great to see you back again, I look forward to seeing your next video on the 36 caliber tests.
I would like to see if you have the same cap sacking problem on that Colt as you had with your 44.
Fascinating subject and absolutely gorgeous guns.
yet another very interesting video Thank'you. I have a Ruger Old Army takes a .457 round ball with 30 gns Swiss F2, lots of fun.
Köszönjük a csodálatos videót. I am an owner of an original 1858 Remington as well as many reproductions and I enjoyed your testing.
Great to see you ! I've always enjoyed your videos !!!
I love to shoot my worn torn Remington's. When my friends come over I show them my pretty clean Colts in the Box LOL
Excellent Video again, thanks. Let us Czech it :-) Greetings from The Czech republic.
The Daniel Jackson of the gun world ;)
Great video!
Hey I got that reference!
Thanks Balazs! A excellent video, as always.
Thanks for the molds Mark! Good project indeed. The next will be the 1861 original Navy with the 36 cal bullets.
Was that debris from a cartridge coming out during firing during your opening shot? I had cartridge paper being expelled through the cylinder gap when shooting paper cartridges. I could only see it after I did slow-motion vids of firing. It did not seem to affect shooting at all.
Interesting presentation. I always thought soldiers used loose black powder & Lead bullets. I didn't know they were issued premade paper cartridges.
An interesting idea for a T shirt......"Because it's a Colt." Keep up the great videos and little journeys back into yesteryear. Thanks!
Excellent show.
The lower 8th ring hit is the double one. Nice vid!
There is no double, there's a sixth shot on the far right of the 1st ring on the sheet behind. At least I think he hit that with the Army, could have been from the Remington.
It still amazes me how you are able to get such fine originals
The luck of the draw my friend
Very nice civil war guns would love to collect them good presentation {thanks}
Good video. Also the very first video I have seen even mentioning how the early Colts sometimes had primers drop into the mechanism and cause misfires. In combat that was bad news. It is worth noting though that the Colt 1860s remained in service right up to 1873 when Colt's SAA entered the arena.
Thank you for a great video. 👍🏻
Excellent. I am currently experimenting with paper cartridges and the J&D mould from Mark Hobbs in my Ruger Old Army. Early days but the accuracy is good.
Aetherling
I have a whole series of speciality bullets im 44/45 as well as 36 caliber The 44/45 ones I specifically made to work in the Ruger Old Army in 255, 240 and 220 grains they have been tested by two unknown gun writers with test videos here on You Tube by many hunters and shooters around the world as well. They are real performs espically for hunting purposes.
These guns are so beautiful!
One excellent feature of the original cap-and-ball Remingtons that was carried over to the reproductions: The notches between the cylinders. These allow you to load all six chambers and carry the pistol safely with the hammer resting on one of the notches rather than a live percussion cap. Sadly, the .38 special conversion cylinder I recently received for my Uberti New Navy does not carry this feature over. So I can safely load six in the original cylinder but only five in the conversion cylinder.
I believe some designs partially overcame this safety flaw with rebounding hammers, but it was only really solved with the transfer bar design introduced by Ruger. (I think - there may have been others earlier.)
If my old ears heard correctly, thanks for shooting @25 & @50 meters to get a true test for accuracy.
Love your work. Greetings from Scotland
Great video !
Great video, and your English is superb. Thanks.
My understanding is that Colt was supplying the 1860 Army revolver to the US Army till a fire in the factory stopped production in 1864. It was at that time that the Army filled the shortfall by purchasing many Remington New Model Army Revolvers.
Just a little heads-up when cocking your revolver tilt back with muzzle pointing up ,cap will fall free less likely to jam the actions Interesting video.
I love Remington's too. I have a 44 and 36 Repops. I would love to have originals. I don't think it likes the powder you are using. Glad I found you.
I bought a Rem new army 3 weeks ago and another one yesterday. Way better than the 1860 I got rid of because I couldn't hit anything .
Great video as always,
The black powder guru
Excellent video
Very cool and informative video, thanks again!!!!!
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Great Show
Cheers.........
Excellent!
Hi Professor, happy for your return on one of my favorite channels. I guess his collection of authentic percussion revolvers is all respect. Reminded of his wonderful Remington, I was wondering if an original weapon in the United States could easily be found, and if there are still new weapons produced and packaged by the Factory. Thank you for your response. Thank you very much, Ferro.
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a very welcome back
Another quality video, if only the Remington had been made with a Colt Army grip!!
Another excellent video!
I cannot believe you had 2 hang ups in one cylinder full ! I have been shooting my Colts for over 40 years and have only 4 or 5 such hang ups, it must be down to having the wrong cap/nipple fit, and by crushing the caps on the Remington you are leaving yourself open to chainfire, although you did not seem to have the normal awful capping problems with the fiddly cap ports on your Remington, there is a new design of capper made for the Remington, although of course that would not be appropriate here on this test. Many thanks for posting this.
I'm sure the modern repros would shoot better Colt-wise.. thats probably the reasons colt lost the contract he was talking of
Another great video, thanx!!!
All Piettas use #11 caps without pinching.
Very nice video.
I love Remingtons too! Mine are not originals though... but still wonderful. I also have the revolving carbine...:-)
Got both, the Remington is best. Rather gamble my life on the Remington
The Colt was the most popular revolver in the cap and ball era.
It was a fire at the Colt factory that caused Colt to not be able to fulfill their government contracts not an issue of quality control. So after the fire at Colt , government buyers turned to Remington to fill the gap.
Remington were a more advanced design but the Colt outsold Remintons four to one.
Exactly, also the caps you are using are too big, cap jams not have been much of a problem in the 19th century. It's why people put SlixShots nipples on repos today.
Historically Colt lost the government contract for their 44 cal. revolver to remington because the price of the remington was about 25% less than the colt and colt would not reduce the price of their 1860 army....the fire at colt factory didn't occur until a month or so after they had filled their last government order for the 1860. By the time they got their 1860 manufacturing line back up and running they were not able to regain the contract for sole manufacturing rights for all US government revolvers
Great video! Good to have you back. +1 on Remington over Colt. Is there a story about the gold razor blade necklace? I notice it has been with you on videos for a long time.
I have seen so many people say the Remington is a better designed gun, due to it's top strap style frame. I have shot1860 colts and 1858 Remington's for many years and my experience is the Colt is the better gun. It has a much larger cylinder pin and rotates much more freely, especially with build up, than the much smaller weaker Remington cylinder pin. Love them both, but my money is on the Colt for being a better functioning design.
Very educational! Thanks for sharing. I'm with you Remington is a better gun.
Nice shooting.......
Blackie Thomas has a video on a modification to eliminate or greatly reduce cap jams on the Colt.
pretty much the exact results I have gotten, I concur that the Remington is superior in reliability. It is also significantly better in disassembly!
Once again, my compliments for this extremely accurate & highly informative video. I commend you on your bench rest shooting form, for it is masterfully consistent, & I know you know what I am saying here. I believe you might have ‘mentioned’ your love for the Remington & I concur totally, yet I enjoy the challenge of the Colt open-top design. Your blended manner of; history, science, archaeology, & easy-to-listen-to-and-follow explanations & instructions makes your videos some of my most favorite of the CZcams realm. Your presentation is perfectly educational and entertaining. Please keep doing what you are doing, for I cannot thank you sufficiently for your videos. Truly appreciated from Alaska. Col. Montana Kid Hammer SASS 6476-P
Relative to the fired caps jamming the colt. The colt IIRC should pointed up when cocking so the cap does not fall into the action.
""Supposedly cavalry officers would fire their gun and then bend their elbow and point the gun straight up in the air as they cocked the hammer for the next shot.
At the same time they would flick their wrists to throw the spent cap off the nipple and away from the gun preventing the cap from falling into and jamming the action.""
Awesome video. You got a new subscriber. :) Greetings from USA.
i have a remington model 36 cal. ball gun. didnt think it would SHOOT that far! must be 40-50 yrs old. bought it new lyman brand. have to dig it out.
I missed you
Love your videos, always from a scientific perspective. Remington's design was clearly better, given that Colt contracts stopped in 1863. The Colt is about 161 years old. It appears to have loosened up. Suggest you try a newly built high quality replica Colt 1860 to see if it suffers from jamming by cap debris and other issues.
The answer is yes those replicas cap jam alot unless by high quality you mean not uberti and pietta.
@@anthonypiranio7409 Thanks for letting me know.
thanks.from uk
Very great.
It's always a pleasure to shoot with black powder.
Wow that Reminton truly is a wonder! You must have quite a collection by now. Ever wonder about showing it off?