Anna Lembke On The Neuroscience of Addiction: Our Dopamine Nation | Rich Roll Podcast
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- Psychiatrist & Stanford professor Dr. Anna Lembke joins Rich to discuss the neuroscience of modern addiction, dopamine fasting, the opioid crisis & more. To read more about Dr. Lembke and peruse the full show notes, go heređđŸbit.ly/richroll623
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:39 - Primer for Today's Conversation
00:11:40 - Defining Addiction
00:16:47 - Anyone Can Form an Addiction
00:18:28 - There Doesn't Need to Be a Reason Behind Addiction
00:23:14 - Dr. Lembke's Dual Diagnosis Method
00:26:03 - The Neurochemistry of Addiction
00:29:19 - We Live in a World Saturated with Dopamine
00:32:24 - Drug of Choice
00:38:25 - Voicing Change
00:39:25 - Pain - Pleasure Paradox
00:40:25 - Dr. Lembke's Patients are Her Heroes
00:42:19 - Rechanneling an Addict's Energy to Fill Their Need
00:43:14 - Rich's Recovery
00:45:12 - The Value of AA
00:50:53 - What's the Brain Chemistry of a Withdrawal
00:57:34 - The Truth and Vulnerability of Sharing Addiction Stories
01:01:05 - We're All Vulnerable to the Fundamental Problem of Addiction
01:05:25 - Addiction Among Highly Educated Professionals
01:08:56 - Disclosing Personal Struggles as a Psychatrist
01:12:31 - Addiction by the Numbers
01:17:40 - The Opioid Crisis
01:31:34 - How Are We Redressing the Crisis?
01:40:14 - The Proliferation of Cannabis & Psychedelics
01:50:40 - The Effects of Vaping Among Teens
01:52:19 - How to Identify a Potential Addict
01:56:24 - The Hard Balance for Parents
02:06:02 - How Does Addiction Get Passed Genetically?
02:08:41 - Going on a Dopamine Fast
02:15:16 - Closing Remarks
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Excellent interview thanks Rich
wow...what an eye opener. Thank you Rich.
I've been listening to this for the last few days and it helps me with my addiction issues. You always have the most insightful guests and these podcasts are like therapy to me. Thank you.
What is with the old thumbnail pic? You addicted to vanity?
Thank you so much for this. đ
I love all your podcasts, but this one inspired me into action; I went to my first meeting and picked up white chip! I need this to work so I can be present for my 2 sweet baby girls and their father. Thank you đ
I've picked up hundreds of white chips. Sincere every time. Failed until I succeeded. Keep showing up and sharing. It works if you work it
I am happy for you :) And I wish you the best
Congrats Kelly. It's been a week I hope your feeling OK. It can hard in the beginning but the beauty in it is the restoration of yourself. Take care of yourself all other relationships will fall in place in time. ââ€
You're a badass Kelly!
Well done
Keep with it
I'm coming up 6 months
After 32 years of abuse
I would consider a few hours spent with Dr. Lembke the equivalent to winning the lottery. What a wise,humble,thoughtful, transparent, generous, highly intelligent human being. Wonderful interview! Thank you.
Exactly right! â€
100%. She is just brilliant.
Agreed.
2.5 months sober because of AA! It feels great!đ
I enjoy listening to the speakers mtgs on you tube. â€
all you have done is swap an addiction to a substance for an addiction to meetings, slogans, cult thinking, coffee and cigarettes.
none one
Since when does AA promote the use of cigarettes and coffee? Just sounds like you're projecting. Finding a group of people who understand you isn't a bad thing. It helps people.
Nice
@@noneone8726 a better qualified Life
Gosh I love hearing that the aim is not to try and escape the dopamine circus wheel, because it's impossible anyway, it's about carefully taking a look at your own dopamine triggering activities and judging if they are harmful to yourself and others, what their consequences are and if they are worth pursuing or dumping.
"You already had a spiritual awakening. You did it by hitting bottom, and crawling your way back out again."
This remark, within the exchange starting at 1:45:00, is deeply, remarkably profound. It is clear that both Rich and Dr. Lembke are gripped by the words they share here. Fascinating.
Finding a recovered life, is a spiritual experience regardless what you choose to believe in as a higher power.
The belief that others got sober or clean using a program of action, can be an adequate Higher Power for many.
Discovering the stories I had created to rationalize the destruction of my moral code, my base belief systems, to support the insanity alcoholism created, will continue to be a spiritual journey.
I agree. This comment to Rich made me teary. So much compassion. Stay strong!
@BullShark Alcoholism and addictions highjack the mind. For many, a spiritual awakening is simply learning that what you thought was real, was actually a delusion. Usually created by the drug.
For others, they get connected to their inner voice, the language of the heart, that gut feeling most folks ignore even when getting ready to do something that could get them in trouble.
Others still, have a spiritual awakening of sorts. They get invested in religions, spiritual gurus, spiritual practices.
A simple spiritual practice could be meditation or many types of Yoga.
I agree with you, Ryan.
@@a.a.sanfrancisco6078 I liked you answer, thank you! Having a spiritual awakening does not mean the heavens open up, angels start singing and God speaks to you, like it is romanticized in pop culture these days. It's something much more simplistic and that's why most people cannot actually have this awakening, they are waiting or looking for something grandiose to happen to them.
She totally changed my view on my addiction and actually alleviated a lot of my pain. Everyone should know about her work. It would make the world much better place
Her presence online is super helpful for people who donât have a lot of resources. Her insights really resonate while most of what we hear about addiction is made up by people who donât have real experience to inform their opinions. Congrats on your own journey.
You have to hear the Huberman Podcast with her.
I am a RN who has spent half a 37 year career working in corrections and Behavioral health. I found this conversation spot on in its message and contentions. At the same time it was relaxed and incredibly humble, thank you both. I go to work tonight a little less jaded and slightly more empathetic. Bob Ahlborg RN
Bless you for your open mindedness. â€
Cheers Bob, I found sobriety and then got my RN license to help others with mental health and addiction. Such an amazing and rewarding career, itâs hard but I believe I was meant to serve in this way.
Wow Iâm so happy I donât need a story to explain my addiction. My parents were such well meaning people and there was no major trauma in my life. The hard part may be to find the right kind of help. But Iâm inspired to do that now.
I have found listening to Annie Grace really helpful with alcohol addiction, you might too? Sheâs utterly relatable and science based đ
@@bettyboo1927 Iâll take this suggestion for another look at something that I might bite into. Not having some major trauma that we can remember, doesnât mean that we havenât experienced several small traumas along the way that have affected us.
Her message it's really big. We need more people like her. She has shared a lot with the world about how to have a better life and more if you have struggled with addiction.
As a trauma counselor..I am constantly wrestling with helping people with dual diagnoses of addictions and other mental health diagnoses. I am finding we really cannot do the tougher trauma work until people have a handle on their addiction. However, as people become sober, the depression and anxiety, the truth about self-medicating do become evident. How do they fill that gap...how to cope with all those uncomfortable feelings once the substance is gone? I absolutely believe the problem is 80% environmental..that work lives are so much less satisfying, that we are more isolated than ever, medication basically balances the scales so people can cope with the demands if the automated technical, dehumanizing nature of life and work. I spend so much time helping people accept...you are not broken..the world is broken...and until we can make changes in the world, how we are treated...we have to use medications, healthy self-care, spirituality to hopefully heal addictions. But as they said in the video..some people cannot live in this world with their brain that has been changed from trauma, chronic stress, without medications.
I loved this comment. Agree with 100%. We accepted that medication and other ways treatments for mental health are just a way of dealing with the world now, and it is whats it is⊠when in reality, sometimes we should be changing what this world is and what it expects of humans today. Our bodies and physiology did not evolve in the same pace as our way of life
I can see you wrote your comment a year ago, I just have to say I wholeheartedly relate to your hypothesis, we do live in a really unhealthy Society set up to isolate us, creating so much distrust & fear, how many of us feel we are just a cog in a very big machine in the system. I attend a 12-step al-anon program, just so I can hear real talk.
And try to understand why relationships in general feel like hard.
Thanks for your intuitive comment. đđđŒ
You comment reminds me of Aldous Huxleyâs book The Brave New World, where all of society takes a pill to suppress their emotions, in response to a unnatural way of life. That book was extremely eye opening to me.
It is no sign of health to be well adjusted to a profound sick culture
1:16:37 I do think self medication with any cortisol. Lowering substance to escape cortisol triggering thoughts is normal in a culture where human Basic needs are not meet
Amazing podcast! The part of the podcast where Rich talked about being raised in an âachievement-oriented householdâ really resonated with me. I donât know if this is the case in all such households but, in my case, it was just a mask for conditional love. I figured out from a very young age that if I wanted my parentsâ love, validation, and attention, I would have to perform. Neither of my parents were emotionally available so, when I did perform, I usually just got emotional breadcrumbs. When I raised my own children, both of whom are adults now, I made it a point to tell them often (and still do) that they are loved unconditionally, that they have intrinsic worth apart from their accomplishments, and that there is nothing they can do to make me love them any more than I already do. Both are still motivated to achieve things in life but it is for the right reasons and not to get their parentsâ love.
Hey, man. This is gold and can change broken parenting relationships. Thank you so much for sharing this. Peace!
;_;
We experienced this kind of parenting in many south Asian households. This kind of acheivement oriented love finally makes you numb and depressed, especially if you ever fail to fulfil their expectation when you reach 25.
A real pleasure listening to these well articulated wise people about such a pivotal and difficult issue in current society.
Amen! đđđđâ„ïž
Sometimes wanting is not enough. The craving and the obsession will not allow it. The power of choice disappears until we reach for the hand of that power greater than ourselves . ââ€
My son-in-law died from a âheroinâ overdose at 36 years old. It turned out to be 100% Fentynol. Sorry for the bad spelling. His 3 children found him. He leaves behind my daughter and 4 beautiful kids.......THANK YOU for your work Anna!
I am so sorry â€
So sorry for your loss. Some folks forget that addicts are people too and rarely wanted to be addicts. Your son will be remembered tonight with compassion and understanding by a man he never met.
My heartfelt condolences and prayers especially for your late sonâs 3 children that they can heal from the trauma of seeing their daddy dead. Your son was not a bad person and there is no Shame in addition. Itâs usually a cry out for connection. His soul lives eternally in the spiritual world. It is okay to grieve as long as you want. đđ»đđ»â€ïžâ€ïž
How awful! đą
Just want to sent you and youre family a big hug
Growing up in a screen world, my first dopamine hits came from playing lego racers on the PC. I found myself going to the computer every morning with my coffee when I grew up. The other day I did a dopamine detox and noticed how much my mind would gravitate back towards wanting to go on the computer. Addiction comes in many different outlets, I feel like habitual practises can lead to addiction in such a subtle way. Just being & meditating has helped my attachments to things lesson but discipline needs to be applied.
Hi, Alexander X 2 -- I appreciate your comment. Yes, something about "Just being & meditating" that seems to both mitigate the crash from over-doing dopamine and steer the regular meditator away from chasing D.. It might be as simple as cognitively reframing the depression flavored anhedonia that inevitably follows a dopamine hike: "Hey, I'm not simply bumming because I overdid dopamine, I'm meditating like a champ." It could be something more subtle at the neurochemical level -- if one persists with meditation, their mind learns to feed itself serotonin, creating peaceful contentment (and focus) instead of craving dopamine. For whatever reason, meditation works to alleviate the ups an downs of both exaggerated dopamine chasing and everyday life. Take care, DAN
Nature is dopamine hit number 1
Addicts had a dozen or more doctors.
Biden just made those dollars worth 10-? Percent less.
Suburbia is an alien-Nation.
Rebuild cities and burbs to include community.
I just really like Dr. Anna Lembke. Her humanity, honesty and humor make me find her approachable. I thank both of you.
This was legendary... Goggins, Huberman and now Lembke!! Extremely grateful to you and your team Rich.
I feel like Anna Lembke is like embodied angel on this planet and I am so happy to find about her existence. I really want to read her books...
This is one of the best conversations I've listened to in the last decade. Absolutely remarkable.
30 years as an addition counselor, and I agree wholeheartedly with this reaction to the podcast!
Bought the book. Found myself saying "Wow" multiple times. Such an important discussion. Thank you, Rich.
20:40 really changed my perspective, up until now I felt inferior that I did not have specific trauma to blame for addiction, and that was making detox a lot harder, not having anyone to be mad at but yourself
Anna Lembke is incredible. Her knowledge, compassion, and ability to communicate her thoughts make for such a great listen.
Excellent episode. I would love to see you interview Dr. Susan Pierce Thompson on the subject of food addiction. So many of us are incredibly vulnerable given our current food environment.
Yes, food addiction is very harmful, would like to learn more about that.
I tried heroin the first time at 14.. injecting daily by 15. I quit at 27, after lots of attempts, and started abusing other drugs.
If I had people like you two in my life it wouldn't have taken this long to figure things out.
Appreciate yall putting this info out there for the masses.
Addicted to these podcastsâŠ.
Just happened upon this the morning after a relapse. So much I could say but my takeaway is get back to AA.
Iâve resisted for yrs. And I ll get the book. Iâm so grateful for your honesty.
Grateful for the info. Itâs time. Looking up a mtg now.
My cousin, a psychologist, was always repeating this: PEOPLE ARE IN DEEP MOURNING..... THEY LOST SOMETHING THAT THEY LOVED OR CHERISHED AND ONLY A FEW CAN OVERCOME THE LOSS. Is losing an addiction that leaves a hole in your life?
What an incredible conversation. I have watched it twice and will keep at it. So much rich content, depth, balanced, graceful understanding between both of you.
one of the best podcasts I've ever seen on this topic. Yu are both very brave and honest, you are setting a great example. You guide us moving forward toward honesty, truth, and healing. Thank you!
I really enjoyed this podcast and the light is shined on addiction. I would like to weigh in on the use of psychedelics for mental wellness treatment. Iâve struggled with depression my whole life and have found a great deal of help through ketamine infusions. I donât see it as a cure all though. I still go to counseling, do breath work, ice baths and mediate. Itâs just one tool thatâs helped me see whatâs possible in me. Itâs not something I would say everyone should use but it has been helpful for me personally.
I can completely understand your concern with it though. It could problematic for some.
I appreciate your honesty and vulnerability. You have an inspiring story. Stay on the path brotherđđ»
I have taken Suboxone for nearly 13 years, same dose of 1 mg per day the entire time. It has enabled me to have a full and happy life! Zero AA, therapy, or any other intervention. Those things are great but never appealed to me. Thank you for the informative convo.
Two incredibly intelligent people. One of the greatest conversations Iâve heard about addiction and how the brain works. Wow, Iâm just so impressed and looking forward to reading Dr. Lembkeâs book. Thank you, Rich! Great show!
Watching my friend's difficulty with diabetes dietary changes ... I've realized sugar is an addiction. Insulin just allows people to keep using their favorite drug. Our grocery shelves are full of sugar ... Even in bread, peanut butter, meats ... Even dog food. Crazy.
Sugar addiction is harming me, but i can't stop no matter how i try to stop eating it.
True, I think the only way to mitigate this is to have regulation with the sugar content of foods sold in the supermarket.
So true, I am fighting my sugar addiction right now. I beat my nicotine addiction 4 months ago with no problem, sugar on the other hand I feel I will be fighting for a lifetime.
Two wonderful people, with so much respect for each other and so much wisdom
This is so helpful! Just ordered your book Anna Iâm going to add to my curriculum more of the neuroscience than I already have. Iâve been in recovery for 46 years, but started drinking after 10 and continue to drink for 10 more years before realizing it was a real problem and thatâs when I discovered AA. I too am a therapist and find so many people that have an aversion to religion so I try to live my Christian faith and not be like so many others that are judge mental and feel it is a cult. My last book I wrote was a 12 step book that focuses on step 11, but also brings in some really helpful Bible verses that were transformational to me, as well as actually listening to my higher power and writing down what I heard him say. Kind of hard to do step 11 praying for the knowledge of Godâs will for us if you donât listen to what he has to say about it :-) lol. Thank you for the podcast. I will begin listening to it, and looking forward to the kinship of recovery. Blessings to both of you.
What is your book called?
@@Kali08012 Thanks for asking... My name is Linda Larson Schlitz
Thank you both for sharing such valuable information. Amazing guest and host. I wish the whole world could listen to it.
What a great conversation. I love especially Dr. Lembke's prescription of honesty. Being honest with the people close to us is so rewarding and liberating, and a single honest conversation can make us go home with incredible new insight about ourselves. Thank you for the great episode and godspeed to everybody out there. We're all gonna make it!
Her voice, is addictive to listen to. Ironically.
What a pleasant presence to have on the pod. Awesome human!
Aside from the knowledge that Dr Lembke carries in her mind, I'm deeply moved by the level of compassion and humility that this woman/mother carries in her heart.
If anyone here can reach out to her, I would love for her to get a copy of the Quran and to be introduced to the teaching Islam (its morals and values) that she inadvertently preaches: the importance of a higher power in our lives, the critical role of the community/family, the fact that this life is nothing but a test and how that empowers the muslims in face of tribulations, having compassion for the one who's struggling and eventually coming at his/her aid ...
Love both of them! Anna was on a podcast I cohost so I am super motivated seeing her on Rich Roll! Read the book! Anna is down to earth, relatable and intelligent!
i'm addicted to Dr Anna Lembke podcast. I do not want to be treated honestly.
I'm addicted to Rich Roll podcasts.đ
Dr. Lembke and Rich.....from the very bottom to the tippy top of my heart thank you both sooooooooo much.
Great interview Rich !
Love her , had discovered her work a year ago maybeâŠ.thank you very much for sharing her work!
And thank you so much for your beautiful vulnerability, wisdom and healing! You are an inspiration!
Fabulous interview! She's wonderful and you sync wonderfully together. Please have her on again!
Anna Lembke is a gift to this earth
listened to this on stitcher
I vouch for every bit of advice given in this podcast: I'd go as far as recommending having the youtube transcript of this episode available and going through it every now and then
thank you so much Rich and Dr. Anna
Yes! PLEASE have Dr. Lempke back! This was awesome!!!!! Unique idea. Love the idea of moving AWAY from always looking for trauma. We all just ARE susceptible nevertheless đđŒ
Rich - thank you for this and all your work! Please have Anna Lembke back. She is brilliant.
Such an interesting discussion. Thanks, Rich. Love from Sri Lanka
Seriously I have a GED, Iâve been thinking all of these things for so long. It is both gratifying and terrifying to hear that I am most probably correct. The idea that the duality is absolutely necessary and as much as we push it aside will never go away. We will never escape it. It is profound and can be freeing for some but also extremely scary for others.
How can the human species overcome if we don't know what we're up against? Anna you're doing amazing work painting a picture of the "enemy" that is ourselves. Great discussion, thank you both
The story that says that opioids help to experience some transcendental meditation experiences is nonsense..... because probably it works short-term.
The body creates its own medicine and serotonin and adrenaline, melatonin dopamine and other chemicals.
But as Dr. Joe Dispenza says these meditation experiences are not chemical... he says everybody thinks it's chemical, but it's not chemical but an "electro-magnetic" feeling.
So how some drugs can make such an effect on meditation long-term? It's nonsense. It works only if you stop thinking about your identity and problems and focus only on goals or even the small goals in a humble way.
I think if opioids make such an effect it's an accident, it's not every day, and it's also a very short-term effect.
The ones who promote opioids and say it helps you and your wellbeing and mediation are just ignorant people who want to sell the drugs.
She is so humble and likable!
Thank you, thank you for this amazing conversation. No one to my mind has explained addiction so clearly. Greatly appreciative to both host and guest.
I really appreciate Dr. Lembkeâs work and her objective, warm nature. This was a really great interview. Sheâs great in ALL of them.
I thoroughly enjoyed every minute literally! Thank you bothđThis woman is an absolute gem that Rich so masterfully brought into the light.
Cannot wait to read Annaâs book! Thank you Anna for your work!
I love this woman
Hands down one of my most favorite RR episodes. Such an illuminating discussion. Thank you!
Another epic podcast - Iâm a sufferer from alcohol addiction, this was a massive eye opener đâŠ.. crazy how amazing this psychiatristâs insights are. This message needs more exposure
As usual a superb podcast, very professional, excellent aesthetic and filled with inspiring content. Genuine, in depth conversations where vulnerability is shown to be a strength. I donât know if it is relevant, but before parents beat themselves up about a choldâs addiction, it is worth noting that animals also show tendencies to addiction. My Boston Terrier starts dragging himself back from a long walk and as soon as he gets home starts begging for me to throw him his ball, which is what he gets his major dopamine kick from.
Rich, how about asking your audience for questions on addiction for the next interview with Dr Lembke? Loved this one! I already pre-ordered her book. Looking forward to ways of regulating my dopamine with good habits. Specialy around food and internet use. Does she have sugestions?
You 2 are fantastic, what awesome people to listen to in conversation - the compassion and empathy were tangible, so appreciate you both!
Humanity at its peak. Thank both and all involved
What an amazing conversation, super grateful for the time you both took to have this discussion
I so appreciate humanity in physicians đ
This is a huge problem ....Thanks Dr Anna Lembke
Thank you for bringing wonderful people into your podcast Rich!
This kind of honesty sets us free.
Trusting your kids to a certain degree is a must..love you both so much!
Wonderful!!! An interviewer that knows how to bring out the best of his guests. I am looking forward to this! Thank you
Thank you both for the wonderful conversation around addiction. Today marks 3.5 years sober for me and this was the perfect gift to listen to. Blessings to you both. đâ€ïžâ€ïž
Congrats
@@lesro7532 thank you! Life is so much better. One day at a time. đ
Lovely â€
Good luck.
I Love this lady. I also love all of the new doctors I'm "meeting" from Stanford as of late. Lastly, I just found your podcast Mr. Roll, and I appreciate already the people I see you have interviewed, and look forward to watching them all.
Dr Lembke met another Hero..
(Always love the quality of questions and energy of conversation)
So true about how people can have a good life and still get addicted. Itâs a problem of itâs own that has to treated. not simply a side effect of something else.
Dr Anna is excellent đ. Thank you for having a great roll of guests, Rich. Peace.
Minute 25:20 "People get sober when they are ready to." That is so true Rich, and it applies to all facets of life!
I say, "A man is going to do what a man is going to do... until he doesn't do it."
We must accept that compassionately, without witholding what we feel is sound advice.
Would like to hear your perspectives on AfghanistanâŠI am a vet who dealt with mental health issues after getting out in 2010. I like your nuanced conversations around issues and would like to hear perspectives that arenât just parroting the mainstream news.
These two actually mirror each other. They look alike. Very good conversation. An addict who grew up in a high functioning alcohol & pharmacutacle drug dependent parents. Youngest of 4. 2 son's in recovery. The younger one is a clinical therapist in SanDiego , CA. His clients are from Hollywoid, Orange County etc. You get the gist. He just moved to the Executive Sover Living House that he runs with 6 clients from a house with q3 clients. He also runs a rehab as well. Based on behavior addictions and childhood trauma. From being homeless, in jails, hospitals, 2 NDE's. He is a miracle who performs miracles. Myself I have been watching Gaboe Mate. T U both
They do look alike! đ±đȘ
Absolutely necessary conversation. I encourage everyone to listen carefully and recognize the truth in all of this.
Ive have pretty much bern addicted to listening to this beautiful being and both host interviews wow im going through something with my grandson and i no watching this all day helped answer so many thoughts in my head for the fact about i can feel better about i dont have to keep figuring out why he has this addiction thanks so much
Thank you, Rich and Dr. Lembke!
Thank you both for this conversation.
Your search for the truth answers all the questions I have . Thanks
Wow. Can't wait to watch this. Thanks a lot Rich and Dr. Anna.
This was one of my top favorite conversations. Love that we are now talking about addiction to devices and media. And I could have honestly listened to 2 hours more.
While addicted to devices and media lol
So much respect for the Dr. Great interview!! Thank you both!
Awesome talk. Deeply inspiring and touching. Thanks for the brilliant work of both.
Ih my gosh, I was so glued listening towards the end when you both spoke about parenting, I have a teen and I'm so happy to hear you both talking about the same dilemmas I have and I definitely learnt a lot. Thanks Rich for these wonderful talks by the way I'm vegan for a year now because of you and your wonderful guests. đż
This has been so enlightening for me, early days here, one day at a time. Thanks folks xx
Your story and program continue to inspire. Keep running YOUR race sir!
Rich this is a rock star interview-what a very special lady. Great insights for this time.
Rich and Anna - THANK YOU!!!
Incredible interview. Glad that I found you Rich Roll. Iâm hopelessly addicted to everything it seems. This new insight has motivated me to get back on my horse and try to achieve homeostasis again. Itâs traumatic amount of hell to go through, but better than the alternative
Thanks guys this is an amazing podcast itâs my second time watching and itâs just the reminder I need right now. Much love from the UK
Great show! Thank you both!
So insightful, compassionate and illuminating. Many thanks đ
Amazing conversation. Thanks Rich
This is an amazing interview! Thanks a lot, Rich!
By the way, 01:59:15 is the best moment on this episode. All of sudden it seems that she's your psychologist and you're her patient. I love it!