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- Nick Wright, Kevin Wildes and Chris Broussard react to news the LA Clippers have rejected a trade for James Harden. The cast also discuss Joel Embiid and the Philadelphia 76ers future with rumors swirling he’s headed to the New York Knicks.
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I’m just going
I’m just just leaving leaving
If Embiid goes anywhere his first choice is going to be Miami, he loved playing with Jimmy Butler and I don't think he ever forgave the franchise for trading him in favor of keeping Tobias Harris.
Is James Harden with Clippers? Knicks? Or another team?
Is Embiid going to Miami?? Staying in Philadelphia??? New York????
“No one care about Terence Mann besides hard core clippers fans” brou with the quiet “and family” got me
😂😂😂
No lies were told 😂
Why would the clippers say yes when the sixers can’t trade him anywhere else. Take norm Powell and trade the clippers one of your picks
@JayehoodedUP I wouldn't even trade Norm. Here's Morris and Batum and have a good day
Good catch 🤣🤣
The fact that the Clippers said "we'd rather keep Terance Mann" says to me that James Harden has 0 value left in the league.
They whiling they he still have some left averaged 20 and 10 come on field goal was cool 2
Plus the fit
Oh does it? Bc it's basically spelled out for you it's so obvious lol but great observation Jerry
He has value he just avg 21 & 10 (led the league in AST), no competitive team just wants to take the risk of Harden becoming unhappy
yep. and thats sad
James Harden left the bag in Brooklyn. He’s going to get Westbrook deals from now on. 2.4M / a year. 8M/ a year.
He declined a supermax with Houston too when he was there. He's fumbled a couple chances at a generational bag
I think Westbrook will get a better contract after this year
Yall talk with no knowledge...Russ took that "deal" because he has a chance to stay home and liked the Clippers...he could've got more...plus that was all the Clippers could offer him...Ty Lue and Lawrence Frank said they would've offered more if they had it
@@TayyDay bruh lol. No body in the league is giving Russ more than about 12ms there was no bag for him to get. Name a team he’d start for at Pg that’s contending
@@jasonmalikclayborne4405 since when is 12mil a year not a bag? Russ already had his super max in OkC and has numerous off the court deals like Jordan and Hennessy...anyway if you think Russ not starting on the Suns, Heat, Bucks, Celtics and not to mention he's already starting on team that if healthy will contend...then we have nothing to talk about...
Here's what I don't understand. If Harden opted into his contract because he couldn't get that amount in free agency, why would any team trade assets to acquire him at that amount?
it's not that harden didn't think teams would pay him, he really thought he had that kind of value (delusion). However, The 76ers got harden's bird rights in the trade with the nets. Meaning no other team can pay harden more than the 76ers can (bird rights allow teams to pay their current players more money and go over the salary cap. as a way to incentivize players to stay on their current team). So Harden thought he would opt in, make the most money he could, and that other teams would be willing to pay that extra cash for him. And guess what, when the 76ers trade him to the clippers, the clippers would get his bird rights, allowing the clippers to sign harden for more money next year as opposed to if he just left phili last year and signed with LAC in the summer. All this was because he was trying to capitalize the amount of money he could get using the NBA bird rights
Teams could want him at that price but not having that cap space available. With opting in a trade becomes available.
Why would any team knowing his history and what type of player/person he is want him at all?
@@thishandleisntavailable72This breakdown should be pinned at the top of these comments.
He's not worth it
James harden not only has ruined his career but he’s ruined his reputation 💯
I would trade him to the Orlando Magic for some good draft picks.
This was where this was always going to go after he left OKC
He seems to be this generation's Bob McAdoo--a former superstar that can no longer be The Man, and go to someone that can still impact games as a high volume shooter off the bench, like Bob did with the early 80s Lakers.
As a clippers season ticket holder I’m glad this trade didn’t go through. I’m sick of this organization trading for old, hurt, troublesome players that ride the bench 2/3rds of the season.
The Clippers organization hasn’t accomplished anything in the NBA 😂you need to be happy good players are even playing there 😂
What old player they trade for?
How would clippers even afford him
Imagine living in LA and buying clippers season tickets lol
😂 I don't even feel bad for you if a trade like this goes down. You literally made a conscious decision to spend your hard earned money on clippers season tickets, dawg. That's terrible.
That's actually a reasonable trade request on the Sixers end. The fact that they can't get that for Harden shows how little people think of Harden.
clippers would need to include more than terance mann on that trade as the salaries dont match. They would probably need to include marcus morris and a couple of other players to match salaries.
I think philly would be paying part of his salary with that deal. Any deal for harden on the clippers makes zero sense unless Russ is included. Embid and Russ would play great together.
@@jasonhoppe781 russ is trash
besides that, russ can not be included in the deal right now because he just signed a new contract. He must have 6 months with the team to trade him...
@@leonardoyi3183do u not see that the clippers said no not Philly
Terrance Mann is a high-tier role player similar to what Bruce Brown was to Denver last year. He plays multiple positions defends well, attacks the rim, and can shoot 3s. He is also THE ONLY homegrown talent LA has, so yes they should value him as much as possible
Well said
He's a good role player, but not in the level of Bruce Brown. Brown dropped 50 in a game while he was in the Nets.
@@rubendacostaesilva8442Bruce brown has never had 50 points in a game lol you just made that lie up outta no where . Career high is 31 take it easy kid
Clearly he meant 15 and not 50 right ?
But his highest in the playoffs is like 30
Can't wait to see the new CBA be radically changed because of Harden exclusively
Ben Simmons kawhi Paul George so on so on
@@dallasmakahwi and Paul George are injured it happens
Exactly, ppl really hate players because their bodies betrayed them
They just signed a new one
@@samariohoward6298 this was when there was the nonstop chatter about the new "tax aprons" and the draft repercussions for being way over the cap right?
Harden, Embiid, and the 76ers. Good luck finding a better trio of playoff failures than that😂
KD, Kyrie, James Harden & the Nets.
@@marsgordeukthat’s not a worst trio try again
@@marsgordeuk76ers are a fat joke Lmaoo
@anthonyyoung248 the Nets situation was absolutely worse. People expected multiple championships. We know what we're getting with Philly...nothing.
@@anthonyyoung248it’s for sure worse. Lmao embiid will at least stay at the sixers and they had kd. Much more disappointing
As a Knicks fan we just want to let it be known the MEDIA started these rumors with Embid to the Knicks NOT Knicks fans. Every time this happens the media will troll us for not getting said superstar when we could of been just another team interested or not interested in said superstar at all.
Truth
Not saying we don't want sum of these guys but it really be the media bc of our assets but us knicks fans really not willing to give up wth da media suggest all da time
Bro the media IS Knicks fans
@@YunisRajab and Knicks haters
I'm a 6er fan, and we been seeing this for years. The media is honestly pathetic, but if embiid does ask out, imo it'll be September next year if we fail to land a super star in free agency. Only way he stays in my opinion is if we land someone like pascal, but we always mess everything up, so I won't be surprised.
Wildes is hilarious. Love all three
I don't think the Clippers actually want Harden at all and for whatever reason the Clippers just won't come out and say it. So instead they keep using Mann as the excuse. Lue pretty much said he didn't want Harden and that he's happy with the team he has.
Big L for Chris this segment we’ve seen this story before. YOU CANT WIN WITH JAMES HARDEN!! Straight up, and the fact that a team won’t give up a role player for a multi time all start and a former league MVP that can average double digits in assists while still giving you 20 points a game tell you all you need to know about how the league views him at this point.
Good take
James Harden is the type of guy to cheat on every girl that he has ever been with, but cries at night because he's lonely 😂😂
Basically, the Weeknd..
I'm harden😂😂😂😂
Him folding in the playoffs in games 6 & 7 AGAIN is what did him in…. Nobody will want him because you just can’t count on him at that price point… if he had balled out and reached the ECF, he would be maxxed out by now by Philly
Why would the Clippers give a defensive player to reunite the 2014 all star team?
Um you answered your own question... To reunite the 2014 all-star team.
Brou always thinks having more star athletes is better than having star players + role players. You absolutely need role players on a winning team Brou!!
Not to mention it becomes exponentially harder to manage a winning team with too many inflated egos on the roster, and there are none more inflated than Harden's...
What about players that are always hurt or load managing?
Would any fan even care if Harden retired tomorrow?
Crickets...
Rockets James harden was something to behold. I would be sad if I’m being real
@@kwh6769Rockets Harden wasn’t that good either. He was a result of the Dantoni system just like Steve Nash. They put up big numbers because they only shoot 3s and don’t play defense.
@@seancrowley3142rockets harden was good. he averaged 40 points for a calendar year.
@@seancrowley3142 the point guard isn’t the best defender on a team but all all time great shooter and playmaker. Majority of championship teams would love to have a guy with nash on it. Stop the BS narratives
It's almost like demanding a trade over and over every year has tanked your value, who woulda thought....
It would be the 2020-2021 brooklyn nets all over again 🤦🏿♂️
I generally prefer a league where players don't move every off season from one team to another. It kind of ruins teams identity
Nope.
It’s a business. Cry harder
If you actually watch the Clippers you know Terrance Mann is better than his numbers and maybe even better than Harden for them
Ha I was thinking the same thing while watching this. They talk about Mann like he's a nobody. He shows up to work and is consistent and reliable. Right there he's got a head start on Harden.
We all agree fasho
Oh plz
Harden will go down in history as one of the biggest jokes in the history of the Association.
Harden is a liability at best. Hope the NBA finds a way to force him out, with little pay, and he never gets a dollar from basketball again. Sick of seeing him, one of the most privileged human beings on this planet, year after year, paid millions to do this bs.
Don't worry he will find a team. (There is always someone who is gullible enough) He is consistently unpredictable lol. Him and Kyrie are basically the same it's like pulling teeth with them. Every-time you look at them you keep on saying to yourself over and over again *(but you chose the teams lol)*
If you think Harden is dumb enough to get removed out of the league then you’re the dumb one. SOMEONE will pay him, just not what he thinks unless the world gets proven wrong, you’re talking about him like he’s not still a Hall Of Famer & didn’t just avg 21 & 10
He don’t even know you. Why you so mad
pointless comment only intended to start an argument. If you seek confrontation online you aren't exercising enough to get your testosterone in use. @@Vortex_Feedz
Haters,jus hate without understanding, you jus mad at the mam because he making his money
,he work hard to get where he is.. stop hate,you all haters should be call criminals
How many teams does Harden need to be traded to before he just retires?
All of them
As someone named Terrence, thank you Nick Wright!
I love how Broussard gave that lineup as if it wasn't a complete disaster. 2 players that can't stay healthy to save their lives and 2 players who are headcases...what a perfect championship level team...give me a break.
Russ isn’t a headache to the clippers he’s a blessing lol he literally enhancing them. Now if harden come that would completely turn Russ into a headache and he won’t know his roll
Russ is not a headcase wtf? He didnt fit well stylistically on the Lakers' roster and now hes a headcase?
@@hero7523 We'll see this season if you are correct.
He didn't call them a championship level team, he said they would be must see tv for a few weeks.
Did you just call Russ a headcase? It tells me how much you know.
He is the reason guaranteed contracts get a bad rap.
Harden is desperately trying to get one last big contract before he goes away 🤔 he knows it's now or never
Nah it’s just never lol
He's not going to get a big contract at this point in his career an his additude is one of the main reasons he won't get a big contract He's already forced his way out of three teams why would anyteam trust at this point he won't do the same thing to them if things aren't going his way, he an idiot if he thinks his behavior is making teams want to pay him big money to join their roster.
Mann is actually really important to the clippers since he is attacking the rim, healthy, young and hustles. Kawhi and PG dont do those things anymore, thats why they need Mann. Obviously on a team like the Kings for example he wouldnt be as valuable to them.
So important they were willing to trade him.
The difference between the Knicks of the past and the Knicks now is the Knicks are actually a good playoff team with a functional front office and two all star caliber players lol. Like they were arguably the quietest team this offseason
In the last 3 seasons the knicks have been bounced by the hawks in the 1st round, missed the playoffs entirely, and won a single playoff series against the Cavs. All of a sudden theyre a good playoff team? Yall have won 1 playoff series in a decade of trying lmao
@@albinortiz876yeah “good playoff team” was a stretch for sure .. they are a competitive team last few years , and have drafted well (rj / Robinson/ quickley/ grimes ) and signed 2 caliber Allstars in Randle and brunson , the difference that has separated them from the past Knicks is they are not making dumb trades for players way past their prime anymore and not trading all their picks
what an absolute trainwreck of a starting lineup that would be 😂
8:46 don’t forget about the markelle fultz debacle as well
This was where this was always going to go after he left OKC. Should never have left
Great show! 😁
Just wondering how the clippers could do that salary cap & salary match wise?? Assumimg wouod have to be more players than terance mann?
Shout outs to Sixers for doing what they have to.
Maybe Clippers worried about ruining the chemistry. Every where Harden has gone, he has left the team in his wake. Sure Clippers have health issues with their 2 big stars, but bringing in Harden may cause a bigger issue and they are worse off.
Im from Tucson, raised in Phoenix.. When Harden was at ASU he looked like a #1 pick. Like Houston Harden in college. Until the tournament. He just disappeared. My mom is from Tucson, went to U of A and is a Wildcat fan. I convinced her to be a Harden fan based on how good he was in college. She said way back then "Harden aint what I thought he was, he is a choker"
Facts talent and drive aren’t the same. Everyone in the nba is talented several lack drive.
Anyone watching the Clippers social media and them having fun behind the scenes? James Harden would have ruined all that, good on the Clippers
I wouldn’t give a bag of chips for harden
I hear Brou swallowing his coffee in my nightmares
The Knicks would be insane to do Nick's proposed trade for Embid.
my favorite sports show on tv. I wish they had more content
Any team that trades for Harden are idiots. Fool me once shame on me. Fool me 3 times... His talent has diminished & he's not the player he used to be. No longer worth the headache.
Not giving up Mann for the league assist leader is pretty batshit if you ask me. As bad as Harden is in the playoffs… he at least single handedly won the Sixers a couple games. Clippers just must not want the extra drama.
might be a bit much on that knicks offer; he didn't finish out the season (post season) on two feet, yet again...
"Trust the process" lmao worst quote EVER
Harden seriously thought he's got leverage here. SMH
I wouldn’t want anyone that acted how Harden has the past years on my team. Utter child of a grown blessed man.
I never thought i'd see anybody worse than kyrie Irving when it comes to holding a franchise hostage James harden has now made kyrie Irvin look like a choir boy compared 2 James
15-6-8 at his worst Is a great 3rd option for clips
Trust the Process!
Even if he went to LA he'd force his way out of there. There's no happiness in Harden's world. For two seasons he was the most explosive scorer in the NBA. Now he's an embarassing footnote.
This is the best show
James harden needs to stay in Philly him and Joel embiid could be the next Kobe and Shaq but tbh I think it embiid that need to step his game up to another level cause like it or not James harden is a hardworking talent that just emotional at the moment but he’s a dominant player 💯
It is kind of reasonable but the problem is that harden will probably want out again in a year or so. Mann is on a good contract and is probably in the top 6-7 players on the team, sad as that sounds. The first one will probably be a pretty good one. I would give them Mann and the swap or the first and some lesser player(s), not both.
It could also mean that they might actually try to get off one or both stars sooner rather than later as obviously Harden has less value and Mann more in that scenario. Maybe wishful thinking on my part
he’s obviously more valuable than b Mann and picks, he just tanked his own value by publicly trying to force a trade. Both teams are smart for waiting it out and seeing if another buyer enters the picture or not. It’s literally how Philly got Harden in the first place.
As much as I despise Nick I loved this conversation... reasonable and calm basketball talk! Great!
I think the Clippers question the fit with Westbrook, PG, and Kawhi and now adding James Harden would make it very difficult to manage. Harden could definetely bring the PG, playmaker, and 3rd 4th scoring option they need. And that could be valuable. I think the Clippers would consider this trade later in the season if its not going well
Westbrook played with Harden in houston
@@albertoserrano67 Sure, but it's diffiuclt to manage all 4 stars together. Plus, they are at different points of their career now and you could even argue back in Houston Westbrook and Harden werent even that good of a fit together
I bet it had a lot to do with Ty Lue not wanting another man child on his team. It was probably him or James.
As a knicks fan i like the trade not love, 3 first rd would be better,especially since it would be next yr rather tyhen this yr
It’s just the fit, so i sortve get it but at the same time if I’m the clips i go all in and whatever happens this year happens.
I realize clippers are the only team in the league that always gets players and really never gives up anything or much at all, as much as james harden value is down, lets be real james harden paul george Westbrook & khawi all on the same team , still sounds like a crazy line up
In 2018 maybe.
Also, "I'm not making that dumb trade." - Knicks fans
He doesn’t cut, he doesn’t screen for his teammates, he does nothing but dribble and pass for assists… the Clips can have him for nothing at this point
I am pretty sure Clippers best starting 5 lineup includes Mann I could be wrong though.
Sit him then blacklist that'll send a message and have power shift back to owner
All the Philly sports teams should get together and agree to let Howie Roseman be a collective GM for all of them.
My fav show
I just love how Embid is gonna miss another Conference Finals 😂 gonna have to give him the Jokic treatment big time this season
" Star studded lineup?" Maybe 10 years ago😊
Why don’t the clippers ask for embid and maxey? I would do kawaii and zubac Terrance Mann and a pg
So y’all not gon talk about the Aces?????
James Harden is the Jada Pinkett of the NBA 😂
There's scuttlebutt. Always be aware when scuttlebutt takes place
I didn't know that Mann only averaged 10 pts last year!!! Every time I see him, dude be balling. I honestly would do that trade asap though.
Terrance Mann & maxey would be crazy
It’s just a message to the league: if you wanna go to the team of your choice, _don’t sign an extension,_ go into free agency, then you can walk on to any team with cap space - no trades needed.
Imagine you do all that youve done since leaving Houston and thinking there would be a huge market for you...
Clippers hittin' Philly w/ the 'ole:
"YESTERDAY'S PRICE IS NOT TODAY'S PRICE!"
This show is so peak when you understand the lore😭
Nick loves to hear himself talk!!! He Never lets anyone finish their point without jumping in! He thinks he’s smarter than he is
If I'm the clippers I'm telling philly this is the only offer and not to call to talk about it other than to accept the trade.
Philly sends 3 first round picks, 2 pick swaps all unprotected and James Harden
LAC sends Terrance Mann
Dog if clippers can’t do I want him to go to go Miami I think the perfect fit play wise.
Mann is probably a #7 or #8 guy on most teams. And the Clips can't give him (and a pick) up to get Harden? Not a knock on Clips management but for sure a big question mark on Harden.
Miami about to offer a bag of Takis and half a cookie.
The best ability is availability.
Im a die hard laker, but mann numbers dont show how he fits well with that team, and he has the ability to consistently show up day in and night out. He is the austin reaves of the clippers
100% Clipper fan and I appreciate that from a Laker Fan bc I know we annoy the ish out of each other. Mann is UNDERRATED. His energy on defense and he's not ball dominant on offense. Always moving. Set screens. Gets boards. Hits shots all over the court. I was at Game 6 when Clippers came back from 25 to beat the Jazz and reach our first WCF. Mann scored 45 that night.
Best player in that starting 5 right now is zubac!!!! 😅😂
Atlanta ?
15ppg on 30% was crazy
Brou finally said something from the heart. Harden definitely rubs team the wrong way.
If The Clips knock back only that for Harden,means they don't really want him.
Why would the clippers trade mann for harden? A guy who will force his way out in a few years and is a locker room cancer? This is the sentiment that people have about James. His reputation is screwing him.
They value Terance Mann more. That says it all 😂😂😂
NY media always state a scenario to send a great player to the Knicks. They have a successful guess rate of 1% or less.
For real. KD, Kyrie, Giannis, Donavan Mitchell were all supposedly going to the Knicks at some point. Now it’s Joel
Nick saying that nobody knows about Terrence Mann except for Clippers fans is just a poor excuse for not paying attention to any teams outside the top 5. That's on you bud. Learn up.
Wow