Laird Hamilton: Forgiving my stepdad

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  • Big-wave surfer Laird Hamilton opens up about the importance of his mom’s constant presence in the wake of his biological father and later his stepdad walking out on the family. Hamilton also shares stories of meeting his biological father and frequent, physical abuse from his stepdad.
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  • @pjbergman-johnsonmusic7214
    @pjbergman-johnsonmusic7214 Před 4 lety +108

    I met Billy Hamilton and Laid in the summer of '73 when they came to Coronado to visit a friend and we all surfed North Beach in Coronado and Sunset Cliffs together, Laid was 11 or 12 years old and a terror (in an non-stop energetic way). I ended up moving to Kauai that September to surf and since there were absolutely 'NO JOBS' I ended up having to scrape by to make ends meet! Coming from a big Family (13 kids) I knew how to take care of household chores and watch, feed, and entertain kids. I ended up taking care of Laid and his brother Lyon quite a bit when his Mom and Dad wanted to go out and spend some time together dancing at the Anchorage, or the Dolphin. I had it wired and watching kids was no problem for me so once the word went out that I was responsible and reliable watching Laid and Lyon, I started to get non-stop requests to babysit and that became my main job in Hanalei for the next 6 months. It was actually a good job, I was living on rice, beans, and peanut butter until I finally got a job dishwashing at the Rice Mill restaurant!! I was in paradise because I got to eat whatever I wanted and worked with some of the good local surfers so that opened up a few set waves for my at Hanalei, middles, and Cannons. STOKED.
    I spent a lot of time with the Hamilton's and got to know his Mom well, she was one of the most beautiful souls I've ever met, smart, kind, and caring. Joanne always took the time to check up on me and made sure I was doing OK as an solo 18 year old blond haired Haole surfer in a very intense local environment. I never surfed more in my life in the biggest most challenging waves I had ever experience at that point in my life. I was hooked and ended up living in Hawaii 12 years, living, visiting and surfing Oahu, Kauai, and Maui and coming back every year after I moved back to San Diego the next 25 years. I always follow what Laird is doing and I ran into Lyon in Fiji a few times in the nineties when he was a boatman and lifeguard at Tavarua Island. Lyon is an amazing surfer in his own right and we had a lot of fun surfing, talking story, and drinking some whiskey after some great sessions. Both of us do not drink alcohol anymore and I'm still surfing and building custom surfboards here in San Diego!

    • @IndianaDundee
      @IndianaDundee Před 4 lety +8

      PJ Bergman Wheres your shop. I’m sure this could land you some well earned business. People would love to hear some more about...while they buy...

    • @Sam-ol3uo
      @Sam-ol3uo Před 4 lety

      U

    • @simondaughtry4619
      @simondaughtry4619 Před 4 lety +5

      thanks for sharing .... good times.

    • @lynnmahan154
      @lynnmahan154 Před 4 lety +6

      Wow. So interesting! Thx for taking the time to share all this. You were independent and resourceful at such a young age. Today's kids could learn from you!😋

    • @laraoneal7284
      @laraoneal7284 Před 4 lety +2

      No child “DESERVES IT”. What an unaware statement. Laughing makes it even worse.

  • @IndianaDundee
    @IndianaDundee Před 4 lety +112

    I am a man. I’m a stepdad. I will always take care of these kids. I will never leave these kids. I do not, and will not beat them. I strive to be better to teach them how to be the best they can be. I am their father. I am a man.

    • @lynnmahan154
      @lynnmahan154 Před 4 lety +4

      You're a good man.

    • @foffndy666
      @foffndy666 Před 4 lety +3

      @Blue Douche Mark weird when a man will make a baby, but then leave and not raise it.

    • @josuemoras9149
      @josuemoras9149 Před 4 lety +1

      Blue Douche Mark Then don’t date women with children? Lol

    • @Yachtzeee
      @Yachtzeee Před 3 lety +4

      His name is Robert Paulson.

    • @problynah
      @problynah Před 3 lety +2

      @@Yachtzeee his name is Robert paulson!

  • @rmoon01
    @rmoon01 Před 6 lety +257

    Shockingly personal questions, answered with grace and candor.

    • @woodguy76
      @woodguy76 Před 4 lety +6

      He's a class dude.

    • @NoOne-zm4rb
      @NoOne-zm4rb Před 2 lety +6

      I like the outbursts of maniacal laughter.

    • @sandorhartig3957
      @sandorhartig3957 Před 2 lety

      He Is a class, but he Got compared with Jordan or T. Woods!!!...... My opinion, that Is a insult 'cuzz Leard Is light years a head those money Junkee scum!!!

    • @wcc1212
      @wcc1212 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Right?
      I get the impression that Laird was so headstrong and almost feral as a youngster, that it was tough to deal with as a young step dad who already had a temper.
      As Laird suggested, 2 alphas carving out territory.
      Great persepctive from him.

  • @hoagybob
    @hoagybob Před 5 lety +70

    Never met Laird Hamilton but he’s still one of my heros. An oceanic warrior. Fearless, trustworthy, and genuine to the core.

  • @rosamrc923
    @rosamrc923 Před 3 lety +13

    Laird Hamilton is absolute HONESTY with amazing humor and unique smartness. My RESPECT! This man is one of a kind.

  • @qwertyu147
    @qwertyu147 Před 5 lety +91

    I wanted a Dad, such a heavy comment.

  • @tedium37
    @tedium37 Před 4 lety +39

    Forgiveness is always stronger than revenge or hatred. Thanks for sharing

  • @BigBass-xf5yi
    @BigBass-xf5yi Před rokem +8

    The world would be such a better place if even 1 out of every 50 adult men were like Laird.
    This dude is definitely one of the better role models out there.

  • @BOBSMITHH
    @BOBSMITHH Před 4 lety +17

    the most intense 8 minuite and 40 second interview I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing, Laird. Thanks for the interview, Graham

  • @maxbrazil3712
    @maxbrazil3712 Před 4 lety +27

    My father was a violent man & I still hate his guts. There are a few things more evil than child abusers, but not many.

    • @reubenbrownlee4303
      @reubenbrownlee4303 Před 4 lety +2

      Max Brazil there is no greater evil then evil.

    • @gesundheit602
      @gesundheit602 Před 3 lety +3

      Hey Max, I hope you are able to overcome it and be happy. Mine was the same and even worse and I still have a lot of issues even at over 50 years old, especially with depression and what I am pretty sure is ptsd. He died years ago but the things he did are still raw in my mind. Wishing you the best..

    • @parentsbasement7734
      @parentsbasement7734 Před 3 lety +5

      Any person man or woman who beats on a child are the lowest of the low.

    • @synclavier123
      @synclavier123 Před 3 lety +1

      My bio-dad left before I was born. Stepdad was a weak man, never beat me but was unrelatable and unavailable the 4 years he stuck with our family. Laird seems to have made peace with his childhood in a way that is unusual and rare. I don't know about you, but if I can make just 1 tick of progress in forgiving or letting go of that shitty stretch of existence, I think it would be a net-positive achievement.

  • @theonlyoned6409
    @theonlyoned6409 Před 5 lety +10

    I don't care if you surf or not he is a man's man. Always, when he speaks it's with intelligence and grace.

  • @gsteele89
    @gsteele89 Před 5 lety +7

    He's got such grace and humility. A real man.

  • @chrisvelour3679
    @chrisvelour3679 Před 4 lety +10

    Much respect to Laird - no doubt, a true warrior on both land and sea. It's easy to hold on to resentment and it's such a challenge to forgive those who have hurt us. It takes courage to open up and freely share what we've been through in this life, and Laird does it much grace and forgiveness. Respect...

  • @machina_aeterna
    @machina_aeterna Před 6 lety +19

    Good job Graham. Your interviews are national treasures.

  • @Scanlan5
    @Scanlan5 Před 4 lety +14

    Heavy stuff. Laird is an absolute legend and hearing stuff like this puts my respect for him at another level

  • @RTC1655
    @RTC1655 Před 6 lety +34

    This dude is an icon.

  • @Durin_Son
    @Durin_Son Před 4 lety +7

    I've recently been watching interviews of Laird and his wife amd I havee to say that they are amazing people. Are they perfect? No, but they work on themselves everyday with much love and for those around them. They are truly inspirational

  • @sk8monkeystahard608
    @sk8monkeystahard608 Před 5 lety +6

    Laird always has such an open and real personality, and to talk so personally to an interviewer about his life and still maintain the strong, positive integrity that he has is just amazing.

    • @pietskiet8763
      @pietskiet8763 Před 5 lety +3

      Laird is only scared of his wife . thats why simple qeustions like that can be answered very honestly !

  • @thefisherking78
    @thefisherking78 Před 3 lety +3

    Been fascinated by Laird since the '90s. I'll never be anything like him, but I'm a better person for the inspiration he provides.

  • @YvetteAnderson111
    @YvetteAnderson111 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you Laird for sharing so personally from your life with us, as a man your vintage I highly value your words and openness. Keep it coming and keep charging it brother.

  • @higherresolution4490
    @higherresolution4490 Před 6 lety +23

    So interesting to hear Laird talk about his father and his step-father, Billy. I would never have guessed that his stepfather had an anger management problem. In high school and at the beach (Laguna), there was no greater a gentleman than Billy Hamilton. He was like a younger version of surfer Phil Edwards. Many thanks for the interview.

    • @paulagrey6013
      @paulagrey6013 Před 5 lety +2

      @Scott Laux you don't beat the ish out of kids...

    • @higherresolution4490
      @higherresolution4490 Před 3 lety

      @MM 20 Especially here in wealthy Newport Beach, CA. If a fat or skinny boy doesn't have an electric bike so his legs can rest by 5th grade, and an iPhone 11, he'll need therapy for depression [hopefully therapy using LSD].

    • @higherresolution4490
      @higherresolution4490 Před 3 lety +3

      @Scott Laux Excellent point, Scott. No doubt you're correct. And yes, Billy Hamilton graduated early from Laguna Beach HS, at age 17, then moved to Hawaii, and then came the events we're talking about. A child raising a child, if it were.

  • @alexg5513
    @alexg5513 Před 5 lety +6

    So sad, so personal, thank you for sharing.

  • @pearlglass
    @pearlglass Před 4 lety +2

    I like Laird a lot, he's such an inspiration for me. Always working hard and training

  • @hawaiisurfingacademy
    @hawaiisurfingacademy Před 5 lety +8

    Its amazing Laird how God works in our lives ! you would be proud of us me Keiki and Kapono and what you have shared gave me a sense of hope to see you again ! Aloha Laird

  • @justgivemethetruth
    @justgivemethetruth Před 4 lety +5

    Dude sounds pretty solid for having so much turmoil in his life.

  • @romansroadapp
    @romansroadapp Před 6 lety +10

    Laid Hamilton is one of my big hero’s. I love him

  • @dropfry
    @dropfry Před 6 lety +50

    His laugh reminds me of Chris Farley.

    • @foxibot
      @foxibot Před 5 lety +8

      dropfry he actually looks like Chris Farley’s in shape brother! I would have not noticed until you said something.

    • @Monpano64
      @Monpano64 Před 4 lety

      I was just watching an interview of Laird Hamilton on the Joe Rogan Experience and thought he looks like a in shape Chris Farley or a in shape David Lee Roth.

  • @starcrib
    @starcrib Před 3 lety +3

    Love this guy....a real forged human being. 🔑

  • @MrSharkphoto
    @MrSharkphoto Před 5 lety +2

    Gives us a clue to his fearlessness. Tough story and a better man for it.

  • @deborahbushard6493
    @deborahbushard6493 Před 6 lety +7

    Forgiveness is a gift

  • @MrKnifeart
    @MrKnifeart Před 6 lety +4

    Great interview. Excellent guest.

  • @sdsurfers7957
    @sdsurfers7957 Před 3 lety +5

    my father beat me as well laird. i forgave him as well. i love my son. i dont beat him. we can change the cycle of violence.

  • @gballs007
    @gballs007 Před 2 lety +2

    You could see how some of those recollections had deep buried emotions..his eyes getting watery and red a little on a couple of his stories... Glad he us able to talk about stuff more as he got older...only way to try and fully heal is to talk and get those feelings and emotions out...

  • @alannamarohnic4722
    @alannamarohnic4722 Před 9 měsíci

    What a fascinating interview!

  • @joshuatelem8796
    @joshuatelem8796 Před 5 lety +2

    You have the best guest!

  • @adamj1627
    @adamj1627 Před 6 lety +37

    Great sense of humor. Seems cool dude

  • @ottergreen8190
    @ottergreen8190 Před 5 lety +6

    I get where he’s coming from. My father was there but he wasn’t a dad and had a volatile temper . My dad left the day after I was born to go on a surf trip to Bali so clearly spending time with his first son wasn’t too appealing. I spent years wishing he would’ve just left because it was worse with my parents being together for years and having him not care about his family. It would’ve been easier having him gone than constantly in and out of my life. Even when my parents split, he moved a mile down the road to our other house and I saw him maybe 3or4 times a year. He was just too busy doing his own thing to be involved. I remember telling my dad when I was 25 that the only things he did for me was teach me to surf at 4 years old and teach me how not to be a father and that really took him down a peg or two.

    • @ottergreen8190
      @ottergreen8190 Před 4 lety +1

      Jeff B no, he did that because a) he had already owned the house for years and b) it was 3 houses from the beach. Had nothing to do with wanting to be around his kids.

    • @ottergreen8190
      @ottergreen8190 Před 4 lety +1

      Jennifer Boehm that’s the only reason I left the ocean to move to bumfuck Indiana surrounded by cornfields is because my now ex moved here and I want to be around my kids. I make sure to be the opposite of what my dad was.

  • @jasmith9630
    @jasmith9630 Před rokem

    I admire this guy. Learned a lot about him thru these videos.

  • @adamj1627
    @adamj1627 Před 6 lety +10

    Great sense of humor.

  • @MrLRogers
    @MrLRogers Před 3 lety +1

    True aloha right there. Live, learn and love. I’ve always looked up to Laird. 🙏

  • @user-gx5kk2ik8m
    @user-gx5kk2ik8m Před 10 dny

    Fantastic and honest person. Can’t say much more

  • @Orgoneemfprotection
    @Orgoneemfprotection Před 5 lety +1

    Deep personal intorspection on a daily basis is the answer to all the grief and frustration that comes from relationships between children and parents. Dissolve any negative emotions through daily silent practice . its the only true way to really get past it and move on.

  • @misivulivosa7113
    @misivulivosa7113 Před 5 lety +2

    powerful and motivating

  • @pumpupthevolume4775
    @pumpupthevolume4775 Před 5 lety +1

    Larid has great insight and perspective.

  • @Mappy-xn1om
    @Mappy-xn1om Před 4 lety +2

    No wonder Laird can surf such insane waves ! He had it a lot tougher than " Riding Giants" portrayed his life growing up !

  • @troyfreedom
    @troyfreedom Před 5 lety +8

    I believe anyone who laughs through this type of trauma, has not fully dealt with themself. Forgiveness for hitting people is bullshit. I guarantee you, his stepdad never hit a cop when he was pulled over or struck his boss at work. We live in a world in which adults apply a different set of rules when it comes to children. Sad, but true.

    • @callmedoc5635
      @callmedoc5635 Před rokem +1

      Sad but true, but his ability to turn his negative experiences into fuel for the fire that has propelled him to reach even the wildest dreams should not only inspirational to all but especially to those who face any type of adversity. He is a tremendous role model.

  • @jeffwisener1378
    @jeffwisener1378 Před 4 lety +3

    Pulls no punches, sees both sides of a situation, good for him.

  • @okaydudes
    @okaydudes Před 4 lety +4

    How could a mother forgive the non biological father of her children for beating her child?

  • @velder22
    @velder22 Před 2 měsíci

    I've been to Hawaii but I've never been surfing and I've always been fascinated by Larry and his passion for surfing, I love sports I'm an NFL fan but I've never experienced the kind of passion that these guys get out of their lives.

  • @paulpresto7346
    @paulpresto7346 Před 4 lety +1

    the man speaks very well and articulates like a college dean. Mucho props.

  • @trangoadvisory
    @trangoadvisory Před 5 lety +14

    Hard to watch, the truth hurts and ultimately the truth prevails

  • @garethmurt
    @garethmurt Před 4 lety +4

    This makes me want be a better dad for my son

  • @Paulvon128
    @Paulvon128 Před 4 lety +1

    Hamilton is a great guy!

  • @edgarwatts8960
    @edgarwatts8960 Před 4 lety

    Outstanding.

  • @justintru_5395
    @justintru_5395 Před 5 lety +4

    Super blessed to say that I’m from Maui Hawaii. This guy is a legend🙏🏽

  • @timothyh6670
    @timothyh6670 Před 5 lety +1

    Love his strength

  • @petermartin9494
    @petermartin9494 Před 3 lety +1

    Wow, LH is such a truly awesome guy, intense and laid back at the same time. If a boy ever asks me, what is it to be a man I would tell him, be like Laird Hamilton and you will be a true man.

  • @KyokushinKichiKai
    @KyokushinKichiKai Před 4 lety +1

    Good for you Laird!

  • @danarrington2224
    @danarrington2224 Před 3 lety +2

    I had a stepdad and now I am a stepdad. I was blessed with the best mom ever on earth and the best stepdad on earth ever. I think the
    most important thing in any family is the spoken expression of love. I was told that I was loved by my parents many times every day. Now I
    try to do the same thing with my family. It's a great way to lift someone's spirits if they are having a bad day. Just sayin'..................

  • @janicemorris6085
    @janicemorris6085 Před 3 lety +2

    Laird is a mature evolved and highly intelligent man

  • @itouch1375
    @itouch1375 Před 3 lety

    Great guy!

  • @deweywatts8456
    @deweywatts8456 Před 3 lety +1

    Imagine a stepdad were no one asks if he's your real dad. They look remarkably similar for no relation at all. Amazing.

  • @rodfriesen4370
    @rodfriesen4370 Před 5 lety +16

    "As often as i deserved it!" Shocking to hear that . You deserved discipline, not abuse. A loving dad would discipline sternly but never abusively. You never deserved beatings. Please see that lie

    • @gc99289
      @gc99289 Před 3 lety +1

      No, some kids need an asswhooping. Sometimes discipline and carrot and stick just doesn't change patterns of bad behavior.

  • @surferpam1
    @surferpam1 Před 5 lety +5

    Pretty revealing information about Billy's temper.

  • @coachraylo
    @coachraylo Před 4 lety +1

    Very mature man

  • @situated4
    @situated4 Před 4 lety +33

    You only cackle-laugh like that to cover tons of pain. Feel bad for this guy as a little boy.

    • @Doorito_
      @Doorito_ Před 4 lety

      Bobby Lee has that tick too

    • @bryantorres9104
      @bryantorres9104 Před 4 lety

      Hamez sb true i noticed that on his podcast

  • @SeanD808
    @SeanD808 Před rokem +1

    I have great respect for Laird...

  • @higherresolution4490
    @higherresolution4490 Před 4 lety +4

    Having been one year behind Billy Hamilton at Laguna Beach High and surfed Laguna's Thalia Street while watching Billy in awe, it's SO hard to imagine him having a bad temper. Billy was one of the nicest, most polite, most tolerant of younger surfers guys I've ever known. Perhaps being cheated out of his first major surfing title by corrupt judges didn't help much.

    • @GodofDisco
      @GodofDisco Před 4 lety +1

      That's how abusive parents are sadly because it all gets bottled up and they only let that side out in the home. I prefer rough around the edges people to overly nice people any day of the week, generally more integrity.

  • @billiebergmann471
    @billiebergmann471 Před 6 lety +2

    wait a minute i now saw some Bensinger Interviews. Those guys he talks to are so often comfortable without shoes! I mean, thats the key?

  • @mellamodiego8458
    @mellamodiego8458 Před 5 lety

    It takes 2 to tango....so true!

  • @laraoneal7284
    @laraoneal7284 Před 4 lety

    Graham ur the best and the original. Seems like Lewis something don’t know his last name is totally imitating your style.

  • @TimmyTurner421
    @TimmyTurner421 Před 6 lety +4

    What a cool bloke

  • @wessmithp5560
    @wessmithp5560 Před 2 lety

    Legend looking good for all those years of sun and fun #StrongWorkYo

  • @TheDragon160
    @TheDragon160 Před 2 lety

    Laird seems like an awesome guy! If that is the few from his house, i am jealous. So pretty

  • @uncletony6210
    @uncletony6210 Před 6 lety +25

    we should all be so forgiving.

    • @hang-sangitch
      @hang-sangitch Před 5 lety +2

      This is true

    • @viceb7
      @viceb7 Před 3 lety +2

      No we really shouldn't... Some people don't deserve your forgiveness. Beating a child to severely is not something that should be forgiven in my eyes.

  • @sjelliott6660
    @sjelliott6660 Před 5 lety

    Great point about being males. Same sitch with my bio dad.

  • @Om3194
    @Om3194 Před 4 lety +7

    17 years old dating his mother? Omg

  • @Cwgrlup
    @Cwgrlup Před 2 lety +1

    I was adopted by my stepdad and had the exact same experience with my biological dad…

  • @donaldwatson3176
    @donaldwatson3176 Před rokem

    So very hard to forgive but it must be done.

  • @50hellkat2
    @50hellkat2 Před 4 lety +1

    This dude goes deep.

  • @Jkur2009
    @Jkur2009 Před 6 lety +63

    What an interesting interview! I had no idea that laird hamilton had parents!!! I always assumed that he had been created by some supernatural beings and put on this planet to blow our minds. So he actually human???

  • @DennisTeti
    @DennisTeti Před 6 lety +5

    2:07 smart guy 💯

  • @highd12
    @highd12 Před 4 lety +3

    As an adult that met my biological mother after 32 years, I wish I would have never have met her. I wish I would have had that self preservation.

    • @Utahtruckguy
      @Utahtruckguy Před 3 lety +1

      Agreed, my dad left when I was 6 and then he started reaching out to me again at 18. I wish I would have never agreed to see him again.

  • @thelastrebelshow1627
    @thelastrebelshow1627 Před 5 lety +3

    A true ocean man.

  • @sharekeogh8658
    @sharekeogh8658 Před rokem +1

    An very impressive man Laird is God love him

  • @majiktattoos
    @majiktattoos Před 5 lety

    🙏

  • @711yada
    @711yada Před 4 lety

    Laird rocks.

  • @ryanj7517
    @ryanj7517 Před 5 lety +2

    I’ve got to say that Laird is an extremely good role model. In a day that there isn’t many men of his stature and steadfast in his regiments regarding nutrition and fitness being a lifestyle.

  • @jayb2175
    @jayb2175 Před 4 lety +1

    Laird 'it takes two to tangle' Hamilton

  • @benben-sl7hi
    @benben-sl7hi Před 6 lety +8

    A little confused. Is the picture Laird as a young boy or is that Laird next to a young boy. The young man is a dead ringer for Laird. He’s the spitting image of Laird!

    • @Ck-zk3we
      @Ck-zk3we Před 5 lety +3

      he looks alot like his step dad

    • @0warami_7oo
      @0warami_7oo Před 5 lety +2

      It's Billy and Laird!

  • @jasmith9630
    @jasmith9630 Před rokem +1

    How could his Mom live with this?

  • @dannyfirst6544
    @dannyfirst6544 Před 6 lety +2

    Wisdom

  • @gb3817
    @gb3817 Před 5 lety +1

    Damn. This was a gut punch. My Dad used to beat me up like a bar fight @ 9 -15 and I haven’t talked to him in 12 years.

    • @jbre7233
      @jbre7233 Před 5 lety

      Gabe Bowers at 9 years old??!! I’m so sorry you had to deal with that at any age, but that’s so so young.

    • @marcel-kl5ok
      @marcel-kl5ok Před 5 lety

      @Gabe Bowers - Maybe try forgive him and see if amends can be made. Your father is probably having a hard time forgiving himself.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 Před 4 lety

      Your parents, mother or father, have no right to abuse you. It never ends well.

  • @brucemorrison9001
    @brucemorrison9001 Před 5 lety +1

    Dude is funny in a serious kinda way

  • @twainjones
    @twainjones Před 3 lety

    oh man 😞

  • @zoebettina
    @zoebettina Před 3 lety

    I don't know man...there is still a lot of pain.

  • @superbug1977
    @superbug1977 Před 2 měsíci

    Wow

  • @marcel-kl5ok
    @marcel-kl5ok Před 5 lety +1

    I never knew Billy had a temper like that. It's pretty sad.

  • @mochamommyATX
    @mochamommyATX Před 5 lety +3

    See how strong women are!?!

  • @reddiver7293
    @reddiver7293 Před 4 lety +2

    He was hyperactive and obnoxious as a kid. That being said, he has built a good life for himself.