Johnny vs. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2011
- The wait is finally over. After nearly one year after reviewing the original game, it's time to look at it's sequel. Is the game worth your time and money nearly 7 years later? Is it as good, if not better than the original? Watch and find out!
All that said however, I apologize for taking so long to make this. I have my reasons, but I won't bore you with the details. All I can say is that I'm back, and there's videos to make. - Hry
Johnny in 2011: God, has it been 7 years already
Me watching video in 2018: God, has it been 7 years already
Me watching video in 2020: God has it been 9 years already
almost 10 years
goddamn
Damn its been 10 years
11 years
Me coming back to it in 2023: holy fuck I feel old, I remember watching this video at my grandparents old house with my cousin when we were both in like middle school, before I played prime 2 like a dozen or so times and before realizing man Johnny got a ton wrong in this video and he is way too negative, I’m hoping he’ll be more positive when he re-reviews it
Am I the only one who fucking loves prime 2's music? In fact the only reason I remember prime 1's music is because of how long I was stuck in that area
Midnagamein G No, you're not alone :)
Midnagamein G >Ingsmasher comes alive and starts wrecking my shit, initiate bomb worm battle theme
>get smashed to fuck for 30 seconds when that techno beat comes in because I'm too busy banging my head
that soundtrack was hype
Midnagamein G love prime 2's music, hate the fucking game itself xD
Good to know
+Midnagamein G I don't share all his criticisms for Metroid Prime 2 except for the collecting keys but it isn't as good as Metroid Prime but it is a good game and no you're not the only one to thinks Metroid Prime 2's music is awesome..
The Dark Beam is actually the most effective weapon for Dark Samus.
And yes, this does make perfect sense.
Dark Samus is originally from Tallon IV, not Dark Aether. In other words, despite being Dark, she was born in the light.
+Thenextworldwar So, she thinks the darkness is her ally, you know what I nevered tried doing that, but does it freeze her and puts her in a state of hell, where she cant do anything, because she deflects missiles and dodges charge shots.
+Thenextworldwar
Wouldnt that mean Dark Aether should damage her?
I didn't say these rules were consistent when applied to her
¯\__(ツ)__/¯
+Phantron Actually if memory serves the only reason Dark Aether's atmosphere is poisonous is probably due to it being in an alternate dimension completely corrupted by Phazon...so technically it would not hurt her....then again that blows the "Phazon is in the atmosphere" theory because the Light Suit negates all damage from its poison completely. Knowing Retro its probably an oversight and not worth thinking too much on.
Actually, Johnny, Nintendo added the ammo system to invoke a sense of fear. In fact, that's the whole concept of Prime 2, invoking fear and paranoia. The dark story and grim atmosphere all remind me of Resident Evil and I did get jump scared by enemies suddenly attacking on occasion, specifically Metroids, which I can never seem to predict when they will show up.
Gamer-Nation 108
Those Grenchlers, man....I thought they were just baby Sheegoth clones, until one of them JUMPED to the same platform I was standing on. Couldn't tell you how many swears I let loose after THAT first-time experience.
Metroid4ever yeah ikr? I hated the space pirates at first. I don't have trouble with them now, but those things killed me left and right
Chad Williams *fistbumps* hell yeah
Gamer-Nation 108 If that was the case, then they failed. I own the Metroid Prime: Trillogy ($50 from the now-closed Game Crazy in my area several years ago. WHOO!!) and TBH, I agree with Johnny on many points. The Ammo system was out of place, missiles enough were the only "Ammo" I wanted to worry about. There wasn't a sense of fear in this game. Perhaps if it was more established from the very beginning of the franchise, it could hold well. But if there was a sense of fear to be held, there wasn't. If anything, it was more like, "Oh look, another enemy." I had to FORCE myself, WITH CHEATS, to play through this game once. I played through MP1 and MP3 3 times legit on Normal, Vetran, and Hypermode, and I'm more than willing to play those games freely without the use of external codes. For me, the only time I could actually enjoy the game was when I had access to the Light Suit, and could freely explore Aether and Dark Aether. But all the events leading up to then (Which I understand is roughly 80-90% of the game), I found were a chore and a bore to sit through. For me, I won't consider my MP:T game "Complete 100%" till I actually complete all 3 difficulties on all 3 games. I'm already finished with MP1 and 3 on all 3 difficulties, yet I'm in no rush to jump back into MP2. That's how much I loathe the experience.
But that's me.
the Comic Nation 108 invoke fear? more like annoyance because that is THE ONLY thing I feel when im almost out of ammo. you want something that invokes fear? go play metroid fusion cuz THAT game does a much better job at getting the player tense than prime 2 does
I personally think that while Prime 1 is the more solid game, Prime 2 just has so much more gravitas and atmosphere to it's credit.
I love playing the Prime series, with most of my time just being spent reading the logs and taking in the atmosphere. But I do feel like I get burnt out on the first game far too quickly, and I did feel that it was significantly easier than the other Prime games even on harder difficulties.
@@signas501 imo, Prime 2 assumes you have at least beaten Prime 1 thus the harder overall difficulty. This is my favourite Prime game mainly due to difficulty on normal. Hard difficulty is only for those seeking a hardcore challenge but again just my opinion.
Yes
"Some missing GF troups, that went missing" Your writing definetly improved
What's with Nintendo's clone fetish? Dark Samus, Shadow/Dark Link, Shadow Mario, Dark Kirby, Mushroom Pikmin, etc.
Dark kirby? Do you mean metaknight? They are different. Mushroom pikmin are just pikmin being attacked by the mushrooms every thing else is true
*****
He means Shadow Kirby from the Amazing Mirror, though he was not evil. The Amazing Mirror also gave us Dark Meta Knight.
Don't forget dark pit ;)
Mario and Wario, Luigi and Waluigi, Bowser and Dark Bowser (Bowser's inside story), does Red & Blue count?
Clyde, I know Dark Mario is Bowser Jr. I'm strictly talking about him in his Mario state
I love your videos, but GOOFY LIGHT SUIT?!
Thats the most badass suit of Samus of all time!!!
nope it silly
Well you're the minority guyy.
Cardigan Boy
Not exactly, nothing beat the gravity/phazon suit. Even the fusion suits look better than the echoes lineup
I Piss On Your Grave now that's just a lie
***** Hah, so true.
I liked this the most out of the trilogy, sure there are some problems, but the levels are so good, especially Sanctuary Fortress. The game felt more challenging than the others, and the gameplay for the most part felt very refined.
Yes, I would agree! I played the trilogy in its original three games one by one and I love the stand-alone nature of this game as a Metroid adventure. The sheer originality and difficulty really gets me. The ammo system is also just to balance the game I believe. If you had unlimited everything it'd be WAY too easy. It's also manageable if you follow the rules to get more ammo. The general feat samus pulls, saving an entire damn planet feels better than the cookie-cutter first Prime that pulls a lot from it's 2D origins, including basic locales.
Although the architecture takes a hit in this game, Sanctuary Fortress is beautiful and makes up for the other two areas being ruins.
Also come on now guys, the bosses weren't a challenge in Prime till the last one. All of these are pretty testing!
"My god it can attack the fourth wall!" I laughed so hard
idk why but i remember that part of the video having a better framerate. my guess is that somewhere, someone at youtube accidentally screwed up the video portion of that bit but was able to salvage the audio and that's why it's so stuttery nowadays
After getting the Annilhilator Beam from the boss in the Ing Hive, I tend to shoot the Light Crystals/Beacons with it. It causes many dark enemies to go running right into it.
I think Prime 2's strongest asset is its bosses. It had the most unique bosses in the series and the best use of the morph ball in combat.
I have no idea why people complain about the bosses so much, they're like, literally so much more interesting than Prime 1's, they're way less repetitive, they change with time, like Chykka and Quadraxis which have 2 and 3 phases respectively, and so many creative uses for the morph ball and the spider ball with bosses like the Power Bomb guardian or the Spider Ball guardian, Prime 1's endgame bosses were WAY more annoying than any of Prime 2's bosses, Omega Guardian and Metroid Prime were so repetitive and boring.
Omega Guardian: destroy its arms and ankles, switch to the X-Ray visor which fuckin' blinds you and makes everything white, while the fucker spawns colored Space Pirates that can only be damaged with certain beams, fun.
Metroid Prime: first phase is a slog, switching the beams is so slow, and you deal barely any damage to it, and then there's the second phase, starts off fine until it starts spawning those Mitosis Metroids that can, again, only be hit by certain beams, plus you have to switch between X-Ray and Thermal to even see the Metroid Prime, adding to that is the fact that you have to stand on the Phazon puddles to enable hypermode, which is annoying in on itself when you're also dealing with those annoying pesky little Metroids.
@@MexicanSheepMan Alpha Blogg hitbox bs and the lack of checkpoints before it. Thank you and good day.
I may just be screaming into the wind here, but I think the backtracking was worse in prime 1. Just to get the wave beam, you hade to get the boost ball in the drifts, go through magmoor and the overworld to get the space jump boots, and finally go all the way back to the drifts to get the wave beam. In prime 2 backtracking is made a lot easier because there’s usually an elevator going straight where you need to be and you never have to go through more than 1 area just to get 1 item
You rated this lower than Other M?!
glad i read the comments before saying anything cause I was gonna say the same thing. seriously, how can anyone rate this game LOWER than other m?
roklord82
It especially makes little sense taking into account the fact that he said more positive things about Prime 2 than he did Other M.
Ugh people like you need to stop being cool like everyone and just hate what everyone else hates.
TheChazzyC uhhhh, excuse me? why should we not hate on a game that legitimately sucks? saying that we're hating on other m to be cool is like saying people choose to be gay. it doesn't make sense.
***** You have to consider that this review is more than three years old. Opinions can change during such a long time span.
The "Ing" looks almost suspiciously alot like the Shadow creatures from Twilight Princess...Peculiar.
the shadow creatures look a lot like the Ing
"You look very human. No you look very Timelord"
Also twilight princess came out two years after Metriod prime two so your implied argument is invalid.
This game came first. But yeah, both the creatures and the light/dark light/twilight themes are similar.
yeah it's similar
Who knows maybe when making Twilight princess they took interest in the Ing design?
Johnny: "Realised in 2004. Christ has it been seven years already"
Me: " Christ has it been four years already?"
Same for Sonic 06 which has been released for 10 years.
Michael Rhett tfw 12 years now
Christ, has it been nearly 9-10 years?
NOW THE COMMENT IS 4 YEARS OLD
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@@dinosaurcj ikr
I disagree with you Johnny on this one.
How come Metroid Other M is criticized for having the 3 Generic environments of grass, ice and fire (typical of almost any 3D metroid game), and the first prime, which has Tallon Overworld, Phendrana and Magmoor, 3 generic grass, ice and fire areas, is not?
I think I enjoyed Echoes more than Prime. It explored the dark/light duality in ways fewer games have (like A Link to the Past, Chrono Trigger, and don't know any other ones), the final boss was more badass than the first Prime, and this game adopted the official Samus Zero Suit canon. Also, I find this game has more memorable music than Prime--Torvus Bog is simply awesome, the lower Torvus' remix of Deper Brinstar from SM is simply amazing, and the sanctuary fortress music, mix of chorus and electronic is one of the best tunes I have heard. Also, the Chykka theme (both, larval and adult, with special leaning towards the larval theme), and the Quadraxis battle music, is top notch from Kenji Yamamoto. This game has even better music than Corruption. Ahh, don't forget the remix of the countdown, straight from N, ES Metroid.
This game broke out of the norm, it presented us with a desert, a flooded forest/Swamp with a technological facility inside, and a futuristic city. The best boss battle to date (quadraxis), dual-dimension based puzzles, brought us back the Screw Attack (which was sorely missed in Prime), and established Samus as a badass hunter. Simply one of the best games on the GCN.
because people are blind, and they were blinded by the awful story of Other M.
Prime 2 isn't perfect by all means. But I still think it's a amazing game. I know why some people may not like the game. But it's really not that bad as people claim it to be.
You can find a save point three rooms before you encounter the Spider Guardian. If you lose to him you will backtrack for around 3 minutes. Zooming in the camera in the last section is really helpful.
I also never had a problem fighting the Alpha Blogg, the sidedash worked perfectly fine for me. But I have played the European PAL-version, maybe they fixed this issue there.
I really don't get all the hate for Echoes. I absoluteky love this game, and it's already my favorite game of all time.
I totally disagree with your video this is my favorite metroid game, but i enjoyed your video review and respect your opinions.
I can't believe it... Someone does care about other people's opinions!
Chris Puhara Hey - someone from 3 days ago! Wasn’t expecting to see you here lol. I’m just finally getting into playing Prime 2 for the first time in 2019, so far so good
@@chrispuhara8934 What timeline are we living in?!
I think this has probably the best soundtrack of the trilogy.
I agree
Absolutely not. The first one does. The only theme that I legitimately enjoyed in this game was the remix of the lower brinstar theme from Super Metroid.
***** So is mine.
***** In my opinion, he's wrong.
gilgamesh310 so we disagree, don't lose sleep over it
I gotta say, after playing it for the first time just recently, MP2 is not as bad as you make it out to be. I mean, we can all have our opinions, but I honestly didn't find it as boring or repetitive as you did. Granted that Sky Temple key quest was a load of bullocks. It seems Nintendo had an affinity for those types of quests at end-game that generation, because not only did Prime have it, but Windwaker had it with the Tri-Force quest as well.
...and Hunters is not a bad game either.
+MaxxSkywalker Will agree that hunters is not bad but unfortunately it is unplayable now. My big man hands can't take the way the controls are like the way they could when I was 14.
i dont really get why people say this, especially with my huge hands. then again i play on an xl and i dont use the stylus controls.
This reply is late af, but I also want to say that Echoes has a diffent feel than Prime, in a good way. Prime feels bright and video-gamey, it's the definitive 3-D Metroid game. But Echoes feels like a real Alien world that's been lived in. Everything is so bland and grimy, corrosive and uninvitin, and I love it.
Trust me The Sky temple Key hunt is not as bad to me in my honest opinion. I never liked the tri - Force quest in Wind Waker. Not only Dose it require to take a lot out of me, But getting the maps that tell you where to go are blinded, not only trying to get inside the ghost ship is horseshit, but you are constantly going to tingle island in order to unblind them, with along side a huge ass price in order to make that happen, and that means I have to grind a fuckloed of rupees in order to get things moving.
13:30 1 hour? i think you mean passing though 9 doors and fighting 3 enemies.
do you seriously not know about the save station next to the generator? it's one of the most beautiful rooms in the game.
Hard to believe this review is 10 years old. Keep on rocking Somecallmejohnny
Ok I really feel I need to point this out, but the beam ammo is there for a very good reason. The Dark, Light and Annihilator beams are ABSURDLY powerful. They would be devastatingly gamebreaking if they had infinite ammo, each one is far more powerful against the enemies weak to it than the Plasma beam was against anything in Prime 1.
The screw attack is absurdly powerful as well, but the issue most of you probably had is that it does damage per frame, not just a single set amount on contact, and some enemies you just bounce off of when screw attacking into them, meaning you do very little damage. For these enemies, screw attack to the side of them, and if you sideswipe them they'll die instantly. Also that example of trying to screw attack flying pirates was dumb, because they're one of the few enemies coded to be almost impossible to hit with screw attack.
Also, much as I love Prime 1, Prime 2's environments were so much richer, more detailed, and for fucks sake, at least they weren't video game level tropes like Prime 1's were. Honestly I enjoyed more of the music in Prime 2 as well, Prime 2 had a ton of great music I enjoy listening to outside the context of the game.
PS the Ing were able to steal the upgrades because Samus' suit runs off of a type of energy found in all living things, and some creatures, like Metroids, have the ability to siphon that energy. Upgrades to her suit were not custom built just for her, they come in energy form that the suit that absorbed it then uses to manifest a physical addition, the appearance of which would probably be different if another compatible non Power Suit suit were to absorb it. The Ing stole her shit in the same way Metroid Prime stole the Phazon Suit and made Dark Samus out of it in Prime 1. You get the upgrades back when killing the Ing guardians for the same reasons you get health and missiles and power bombs from killing enemies. You're basically collecting the remnant energy released by killing the creature.
those prime 2 beams are nowhere near as powerful as the prime 1 plasma beam, it could kill a standard pirate with 1 uncharged shot and could take out both baby and big sheegoths with ease. also the ice beam is about as effective as the dark beam but ice beam has unlimited ammo
@@supremacysammy3173 ice beam may be more powerful with its base shots than the dark beam but the rate of fire is at most half the speed of the dark beam, travel time is lower, charged ice beam is kind of redundant and the ice spreader looks cool but its kinda useless on everything but the metroid prime in ice state. Also yes the plasma beam is very powerful especially against ice enemies but for the most part the enemies you face in prime 1 that arent bosses, adult sheegoths, elite pirates or space pirates are embarrassingly weak. In prime 2 with a wider variety of significantly tougher enemies that will push your shit in it kind of makes sense why the beams may not feel as overpowered.
@@supremacysammy3173 Nah imo Prime 2's ammo is way more broken and there's a reason why they limit you. Light beam has DoT along with instakilling any ing that step on those light stances. Dark beam only takes 1 shot and it usually follows along as "I already hit him it's ok" especially since the dark particles help freezing fast moving enemies. Annihalator does so much damage and it does the aim for you it's effortless.
Honestly, despite its problems, the fact that this game is like the first Prime is enough to make me love it.
It's about 5-10 minutes from the closest save spot to the Spider Guardian
FUCKING THANK YOU IT DRIVES ME INSANE EVERYTIME SOMEONE SAYS THERE WAS NO SAVE POINT NEAR THE SPIDER GUARDIAN IT MAKES NO SENSE
@@enzyme3254 The checkpoint is far. You don't want to die to the Spider-Guardian.
@@Micgameman there’s a brief mandatory cutscene you have to watch each time you die, which could be slightly tedious, but it’s literally only a couple of rooms away from the save point
Can't believe people thing this game is hard. I WISH I had ammo in the other 2 prime games just to make those more of a challenge. Challenge = fun. Prime 2 is average difficulty when it comes to games IMO which is why I like the gameplay in 2 the most. The constant damage of dark aether and ammo made you put more thought into how you play. I also liked that the environments weren't as high contrast like fire and ice. Yeah that stands out but it's also way too simple/generic.
While I haven't played this game yet, a game with respawning enemies shouldn't have limited ammo.
gilgamesh310 Yeah but a lot enemies aren't "enemies" in the traditional sense. Most of the time they're just creatures in the world posing little to no threat. I dunno. I just never found the ammo thing to be a problem. Yeah I've run out of ammo before but I just deal with it.
Having infinite light ammo, in the dark world would make things incredibly easy, seeing as how the light beam makes short work of anything dark.
AgentFlea The first game is pretty easy, so. Don't really see a problem with making it harder, as long as it's not too frustrating. The amount of backtracking he said it has, is a bit off putting though.
I'm getting Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii VC, so I'll be back to tell you what I think of that.
The Hylian Timelord I already bought it. I never played the series before, so I figured this is my chance to experience the series. I'm currently hunting for the chozo artifacts in the first game. It's a bit tedious, but the game is excellent otherwise.
"God has it nearly been 7 years already?"
Don't worry Johnny, it's nearly been 19 years now
After playing through the game a second time, I figured some stuff out that really helps. Dark Commandos go down super easy with a charged dark beam + missle. There's also a save room that's kinda close to the spider guardian (fuck that boss still tho). As for the save point for alpha blog, yeaaah once you do that last part of the puzzle to open up the bottom area no turning back sadly. My main complaints with this game is just a couple of the bosses, alpha blogg, spider guardian, and the boost guardian ( getting hit by that boost attack does waaay too much damage imo)
Boost gaurdian on hard is luck based. If he doesnt hit any pillars or too few, you are pretty much gaurenteed to die regardless of skill. Alpha blogg is a pain in the bitch to beat by timing super missiles and trading blows, trick is the charged darkbeam and sidesteping his attack while firing last second.
@@ghostofsilence2697 Boost Guardian is not nearly as frustrating as Spider Guardian, even on hard. The trick is that staying in morph ball mode longer than you need to only gets you killed. Stay near the edge of the arena double jumping while he's boosting around (not locked on) and he never hits you. Once he's a puddle you can drop bombs, but ALWAYS unmorph when he's ready to boost around again. As long as you're not taking that stupid crash damage and you're making your charged light beam shots count, he falls like a complete chump pretty quickly.
Just finished Prime 2, and I loved it. The dark atmosphere, the hard bosses, the ambient music ... Better than Corruption, IMO.
I personally don't see really anything wrong with prime 2. When I first played it, right after prime 1, in the summer of 2010, I was very put off by it. I had never even heard of Metroid at all until that summer when my friend let me play Prime 1, so I was very skeptical about it, and honestly a bit afraid too. (Mainly due to the first time I faced the Parasite Queen). And at first, I absolutely hated prime 2, even going as far as making my friend beat all the bosses for me when he gave me his copy. But now that I've had it for some time, and after a very recent playthrough (that being today lol) I can now say without a doubt that metroid prime 2 is one of my favorite games I've ever played.
It has it's flaws here & there. But even so, I still think it's a amazing game.
I actually like this game a little little bit more than Prime 1. I think it actually did some pretty interesting stuff with the level design and the environments
I actually have the opposite view of your review. I love MP2 more than MP1. I still love MP1, but I find that MP2 did everything better. Yes, graphically it does look alittle worse, but thats due to the world being much larger. The backtracking isn't a huge problem for me, because I played this game like I played other metroid games, which is I tend to backtrack on my own anyways in order to explore more. I'm a completionist, so backtracking isn't a big problem for me. The beam weapons having limited ammo meant not over-using them. I can't just go through dark either by only using the light beam, because i will run out of ammo. You can still fire it if you do run out of ammo, but it requires you to charge. its super easy to get dark/light ammo though, so i didn't ever really run out of ammo. I like the fact that aether is how it is. Its a new world in comparison to previous metroid titles, all of which usually have you exploring areas of chozo origin. In this its the luminoth, another race of aliens that are technologically advanced, yet at the same time seem to care for nature as well, similar to the chozo. Their technology is also based on light, something very different than the chozo. I also enjoyed the added difficulty, as I feel like it was a natural step forward. Make the game harder since not a lot control wise changed.
Probably my only problems with the game are with the damage you take in dark aether vs how much you recover in light. I feel like the light crystals should recover health faster in order to cut down waiting time. Also, some items don't get a lot of use. Screw attack being one (both its main function and the wall jumping function) though this is similar to how the spider ball is very limited in use as well. The multi-missile is also under-utilized, as i feel like it could have made for some interesting enemy encounters. Why not have an enemy that requires you to target multiple parts at once, or maybe have some echo-visor only switches require multiple switches to all be hit at once? also the echo visor isn't used much, nor is the dark visor. Also I will admit that I don't find the world as a whole as interesting as previous metroid titles. That doesn't mean that they're boring, its just hard to explain. I really enjoyed torvus bog though, and its easily my favorite area in any metroid title. The perpetual rain coming down in a forested area that has abandoned technological structures, leading down to an underground (seemingly now flooded) research facility looking area. I find that it compares and contrasts nature and technology really well.
This is all my opinion though. I can see why people don't regard MP2 as highly as MP1. Personally though, its still better than MP3, which I felt was too linear. It also felt much smaller. Yea they have 3 planets to explore, but they all feel like half the size of a single area in MP1 or MP2. also, I felt like they were all linear, with some areas being larger, but still only having 2 doors and only being as large as they are because you have to fight another wave of enemies. for me, MP2>MP1>MP3. MP2 and MP1 are extremely close.
For me it MP3>MP2>MP1.
I love all 3 games.
I also really like how the Prime series didn't just keep aping the Chozo. The Luminoth and Ing were a breath of fresh air, especially since the Chozo were already very well handled in the first game. Even the third game had the...whatever deceased culture that existed on Bryyo. I don't think it was Chozo... honestly don't remember. That third game is actually completely on par with the first two, but it's still the one I've played the least. Point is, I like how the Prime series tried new things!
@@jjc4924 Yes
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even though Prime 1 is my favorite Metroid game, Prime 2 is what I view as the apex of the trilogy. It's almost perfect.
This is my personal favourite of the three Prime games, but I can see why some might not like it. I just think that as a sequel, it expanded everything about Prime 1, cooler enemies, cooler environments, cooler weapons/abilities etc.
i actually slightly prefer echoes over the first.. except that echoes backtracking is a bit more painfull but i never had any ammo troubles tbh....
Take a shot for all the "You rated this lower than Other M!?!" comments.
Are you trying to kill us?
Playing Prime Hunters when he says he hates it.... Me: Hey shut up I like this game
I completely adore this game
I also liked the ammo system. It kept me from getting too OP'D and I found it easy to replenish the ammo. It also forces you to be strategic with your weapons, something that I think no other game did right except for Prime 2!
Lol you gave Other M a higher score than Prime 2? Come on now.
+TophDaGreat Other M is a better game
+Harold Smith Joke of the week!!
Harold Smith We'll agree to disagree
Other M had better gameplay, graphics, music, story, and emotions.
Harold Smith Music? What music? I'll give you gameplay, but the story of Other M (orlackthereof) was garbage. Basically took away everything that made Samus who she was. The Prime OS2 by itself shits on Other M's existence.
Surprisingly this is my favorite metroid game and my 2nd favorite game of all time, it posed a challange unlike the first prime, and the ammo system was balanced by the beams being VERY overpowered compared to the prime 1 beams. Also, even charging them to fire every shot while you're out of ammo still is FAR more effective than the power beam
Funny how it's 3 years later and he's already reviewed Prime Hunters.
i used to suck at this game, but now i might actually think this is THE BEST METROID.
I loved the music of this game. It's something I can never get out of my head. However the game as a whole isn't my favourite, it was my first 3D Metroid game and it will forever be in my heart. Also I loved the concept of Dark Samus and how this game really pushed the boundaries of what can fit in a Metroid game. I was truly scared of this game as a kid, but I couldn't stop playing it.
I remember loving this game... I never got past the spider guardian. But then I got the trilogy and beat them all!
After playing these two games back to back, I have to say I like this one more. I really like the Zeldafication that they managed to do without sacrificing the Metroid elements.
I'm playing Prime 2 now, I feel your pain Johnny.
I was initially underwhelmed with Echoes as well back when I first played it in 2004. I have to say that my opinion of it has definitely improved over the years though. I really like how they introduced a bunch of new stuff and the up in difficulty was refreshing.
Hands down my favorite game. And let me tell you, playing this game on drugs is WILD!
This is my favorite metroid game of them all but I can totally say it is not for everyone.
6.0 out of 10... Seriously? I just played this game recently and it was awesome!
Suggestions for dark commandos, freeze them with the dark beam, and shatter them with a missile, that's it
Kritken I know right? Wait are you the guy that made those Metroid Fanarts of Bosses on Deviant Art?
Yeah, I think I know who you are
Kritken yes! I was the guy who requested the Chykka battle, both Larva and Adult.
The forth wall joke had me dying, smashing the sub button my good man 🎉
Complaining about the environments... I see this all the time for so many games. It always plays out in two ways:
1. Environments are too clichéd. (Forest, ice, lava, desert, etc,)
And when a game actually breaks that classic mold and tries subtler themes it becomes...
2. Bland and boring. Not memorable.
StllBreathnBut_Y you see there has too be some effort to make the world look better.
StllBreathnBut_Y I like torvus bog cause it reminds of tallon overworld :)
I think the Chozo Ruins and the Space Pirate stations in Phendrana Drifts from Prime 1 are good examples of subtler environments that are still diverse and exciting.
I also don't think it's fair for you to discount his criticism just because it can relate to a trope you perceive as unfair criticism - it's just a cop out to pretend like he disliked the environment because "it was subtle."
StllBreathnBut_Y i dont think thats true. Paper Mario TYYD has continually been praised left and right for going with a different set of environments thats still memorable (seriously, I think Rogueport is one of, if not the most memorable hubworlds in all video games)
Just because something is subtle doesn't mean it's good.
People complaining about this game being scored lower than Other M, while I'm trying to figure out how it rated lower than Return of Samus for Gameboy. :/
Ryan Dennison he doesn't give games scores anymore :/
It’s a good thing the scores are gone, causes more trouble than it’s worth
Ironically enough Prime 2 Echoes is my favourite of the Prime games. Just the soundtrack alone got stuck in my head for so much time when I was a kid. Pick this game up, it's awesome, don't miss the chance.
This game is a masterpiece -- what a mindfuck it is to play through this game. It's supposed to be tense / horrific. Your video was hilarious man. many thanks!
I love all three Prime games, and while Prime is my favorite, Echoes is the one I replay the most. There's just something about it that I really enjoy. I don't mind the ammo system, in fact it makes the game more interesting and different from the others. I enjoy the Light/Dark World gimmick in this game, and with a couple of exceptions the bosses are all a lot of fun. The backtracking doesn't bother me either since I usually go for everything I can at that point anyway, including the Keys.
Echoes is a bit strange (limited beam ammo, dull colors, etc.) but I still like it. Do I like it more than Prime? Well I like both for different reasons. I like Prime for the easier sequence breaks (my favorite being the early Space Jump Boots) and vibrant colors. As for Echoes its the fun bosses (excluding Alpha Blogg, Boost Guardian, Spider Guardian and the Ing Emperor 1 who are all a pain and even worse in the hard difficulty setting) and the Light/Dark elements. Anyways if you don't like it, that's fine.
Early plans for Echoes were very different from the final game, initially built on Retro wanting to distance themselves from the horrorshow production of Metroid Prime, creating a less intensive Bottle Episode to be made with fewer assets in a shorter period of time (described as how if Prime was Metroid's Ocarina of Time, this would be its Majora's Mask). An early pitch for the game called Metroid 1.5, written by level designer Tony Giovannini, detailed possible ideas for the game: immediately following the end of the first game, Samus' ship would be sucked up into a massive alien warship that would be the setting for the rest of the game, featuring aliens in cryostasis being bred for war, a malfunctioning AI with split personalities that either sought to help or hurt Samus, a gameplay mechanic where time can flow backwards and/or the gravity of a room can be altered, many different enemy types, plans for an "Ancient Chozo Robot Battle" multiplayer mode (where the players roll up into the chestplate of ancient robots and use them to battle), the appearance of other bounty hunters, and more. Some of these ideas were revisited in later games, such as the sleeping aliens (repurposed as the slumbering Luminoth), other bounty hunters appearing in Metroid Prime: Hunters and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and using ancient war golems via Morph Ball in Corruption.
One thing they absolutely nailed in this game was the atmosphere (I know, shocking, but hear me out). I'm mostly talking about the relationship between Samus and Dark Samus. I can't be bothered explaining it but this one guy in a video explained it amazingly, the name of the video is "Why Other M failed where the Prime Trilogy succeeded" or something like that, give it a watch
Dark commandos are easy peasy, dark beam charge into missile
I think this game deserves a short re-review. Wouldn't you say, Johnny?
A Round 2, lol
it's amazing how much of these games makes more sense when you wrap your head around the fact that Phazon A) learns how to possess machines and integrate technology (possibly even TAUGHT that by the space pirates), and B) has a hivemind that instantly communicates across _all Phazon, everywhere_
The time that passed between the first Metroid Prime game and Prime 2: Echoes happens to be one and a half years.
SCREWATTACK!
Shut your face
So I'm currently playing through Metroid Prime 2 for the first time and Johnny I have no clue why you had so much trouble with the Boost Guardian, I beat him on my first try, literally just shoot charged light beams and the fight is over in 5 minutes, plus the save room isn't that far from it, you exaggerated it way too much.
Ok, for anybody who still finds the Boost Guardian hard to beat, Johnny especially, check out Omega Snake's channel on the bosses of this game. He gives strategies for how to defeat the game's bosses, and make them easy. The Boost Guardian is a highlight of the playlist, in my opinion, since Omega Snake says that it is the boss that is requested the most, of Metroid Prime 2. If you find this comment, tell him I told you about his channel and try to support him the best way you can.
Did you just say... "Only the rear/Rare of the Ship took any damage, so I'm guessing the ship's made of Nintendium"? Damn... That's it... Jobs done, found it. Most seamless smooth double pun I've ever heard.
The reason why Prime 2 feels so drawn out is because if you ignore the dark world, there aren't that many rooms compared to the first Prime game. That makes no sense because it should be shorter...well let me explain it further. Notice that in the first prime game, big rooms were around, but not in abundance. Usually the bigger rooms acted as a center point or hub for the various areas Samus can explore. In prime 2, the abundance of bigger room with overly complicated puzzles to drag them all out makes the game slow down to an unfortunate amount.
Later in the first Prime game, Samus encounters Chozo Ghosts. Despite their annoying tactics, they can be brought down with 2 super missiles. For Dark Pirate Commandos, they take a whopping 4. You could use the Light beam and use about 3 charge shots up, but why can't you just...I don't know...run away? Well you can't. Prime 1 gave players the option to stick around to fight the Chozo Ghosts and then they can finish a puzzle in that room. You can pass up the room if you want if you don't need anything there. However in Prime 2, you are forced to Fight the commandos. Some do appear in portal areas so you can make a quick escape, but you can't progress to any other rooms in that dimension until they all die.
Prime 1 had more rooms albeit smaller with puzzles that won't drag on. They save the much larger puzzles for the bigger rooms but also made sure that they didn't stack up to aggravate the player. For Prime 2, I encountered small rooms that take WAY too long to not just solve a puzzle, but to traverse through other rooms. Prime made sure that the player has enough breathing rooms to take short cuts to find faster ways to traverse through a map. For Prime 2 these design choices are very few. The Space Jump boots are acquired very early in the game, so the developers had to get around the traversing issue by having Samus get around areas that didn't require so much jumping. Ball cannons, magnet railings, more elevators, abundance on ball morphing in general to get to new areas with forced ball puzzles to further waste your time when you just want to get to new areas, these aspects slow down the game and act like padding.
Where the Agon wastes was open enough for Samus to move around as she pleases, Tovrus and Sanctuary are VERY linear. And getting to one place to another would require to go through areas that over stay their welcomes. Why does it take SO long to traverse through this game even with all of Samus's power ups? Well I have an answer. All we have to do is think about why is there even a dark world gameplay wise?
The Dark world concept is like what John said, it's like link to the past. The Dark world is a brilliant albeit cheap gameplay mechanic to double the size of a game. By putting twists in another world, game designers can reuse assets from the original world to save space and time. However, with Link to the past the designers made sure that the environments in the dark world look unique and would even put nice spins to mirror the light world. Metroid Prime 2 had this going for it well with Agon. You can tell they put in more efforts to make the dark world look different from the light world by completely changing the layouts of the rooms. This is more prominent in the Pirate's base. But for Sanctuary and Tovrus that is not the case.
Tovrus and Sanctuary reused many rooms and didn't put in much effort to make the worlds look...well different from the Light world! The Inghive is a redder version of Sanctuary and the Poison Bog is just a swamp version of the bog...ah get it? Bog and swamp? Swamp being more...well you know...creepier...ahem anyways, the only few rooms that I can remember that had different layouts were the catacombs of the bog and ...What WAS different from Ing Hive compared to Sanctuary besides a red pain job? Are you understanding why this is?
Well did you know that three months before Metroid Prime 2 was released...it was only *30 percent in completion*? Yep! There is your answer. This is why Agon feels more thought out than Tovrus and Sanctuary. This is why the game has overly long complicated rooms that you reenter on multiple occasions to drag out the game. This is why the game is harder so it wasn't too easy to beat (Making it hard to make it longer is an old school game tactic). This is why the game's graphics are overall dull so they can easily reuse maps to make the dark world easier to reskin. This is why we have dark versions of already existing light creatures. This is why the game...is so dragged on.
It's such a shame that Metroid Prime 2 feels like a poor masterpiece with so much potential. Instead of waiting another year to finish the game to give it great polish like Metroid Prime, Prime 2's overall dull gameplay is the product of marketing to rush a game for the holiday season. As Shigeru once said, a rushed game is forever bad, but a delayed game would overall make it better.
Austin Grider .... just use charged dark beam and missile on dark pirate commando = easier than chozo ghosts
Austin Grider bitch stfu the games was good
The Prime Trilogy version thankfully makes the game more tolerable than the Gamecube version.
Other m 7/10
Prime 2 6/10
i respect your opinion johnny but that doesn't make sense
And Prime 2 is my favorite metroid in my opinion
But in terms of the prime games how would you rate it?
Cause ive been thinking about getting it but I want an ultimate opinion on it
I give prime 1 8/10 and prime 2 9/10 but that's just my opininion
James Shepard I TOTALLY agree with the 6/10 score, but I haven't played Other M so I wouldn't be able to compare them.
+Good Hunter don't, other M is horrible and says fuck you to the metroid formula that gave birth to the current way castlevania handled itself ever since SOTN.
Maybe he had lower standards when he reviewed Other M. He DID say Sonic Chronicles was a good game only to rip on it a few years later.
it always surprises me when i go back to older videos and I actually remember them being released.. damn I been a fan for a long time.
I prefer this game to prime 1 there's something about this game that makes me love it so far I'm currently playing through it I've played through prime 1 more the 4 times and I'm loving the light and dark concept of prime 2 and I love exploring this more then 1
Ok mp1 was way better but mp2 was still awsome game
I agree.
I agree with this review completely. I absolutely loved Metroid Prime 1, but 2 didn't leave me that satisfied when beating it. I loved all the bosses ( Except for Grapple, Boost, and the Spider Guardians, they can get a Power bomb up the Ass.). However, everything else didn't stick out. A side from the Boss themes, the remix of Red Brinstar, and the escape theme, I never really hummed much else, the dark world themes are also just non-existent. The environments were my least favorite part though. I absolutely love how the Sanctuary fortress looks, but that's it. The temple grounds is bland, Agon wastes is just lots of brown, Torvus just looks way too melancholy ( It's a real shame because I usually love swamp and jungle areas.) Not to mention the lack of landmarks makes me get lost often with how many similar looking room they have. The game isn't terrible, but it could've been a lot better. I may still replay it just for some of the cool bosses like Amorbis and Quadraxis, but then I'll have to fight guys like the spamming fucktard called the Boost guardian.
This is the best Metroid, hands down. And the Screw Attack is GREAT for getting you out of a pickle. Use it when you get cornered, jump once or twice, and it'll give you limited invincibility PLUS messes the dude up that cornered you. Great item.
This game is AWESOME simply because it's Metroid Prime.
I think it is just pure genius what the developers did with the Prime series in general: First, they released one of the greatest games of all time (Prime 1). Then, they released a darker and much harder Prime game (echoes), for all the gamers who were completely blown away by the original and needed a challenging sequel to expand their Metroid Prime gaming experience. Then, they released a much easier Prime game (Corruption) to make the franchise more accessible to other gamers and ''corrupt'' them with the Metroid-Prime awesomeness, so that they can release the Metroid Prime Trilogy. Pure Genius.
Just realized that the last 2D Metroid title came out a decade ago...
I feel old now
A year now
A Jolly Sonny Jim i love samus returns. One of my favorite metroid games. Here's hoping prime 4 will be awesome.
This game kicked my ass so much. Not in deaths, but I got lost and progressing turned my brain to soup a lot haha. The first and third Prime were much easier. It's an amazing game no doubt! But I don't think I would ever chose to play it again.
I prefer this game to the first one. both have the collecting of keys or artifacts but the sky keys are far more interesting.
"god it's been nearly 7 years already"
Me: dies laughing 7 years from the upload date
Prime 2 Happened right after the events of Prime 1 and before the events of Prime 3.
you don't say
No way!
Reeve Isaacs
well that's something you don't see everyday
(couldn't resist keeping up the rhyme)
Your Cray-Cray! Charlie Day! Yay!
Good job! You get an A!
Anyone else feel like you either think Echoes is meh or think its the best Metroid game. There is just no in between
Anthracite Fitting for a game based on light/dark duality. There is no in between.
I don't think it's the best but I still love it.
I think it would be considered a pretty good sequel if it didn't take a decade for MP4 to come out, it's okay to experiment with IPs, and I loved some concepts and bosses that MP2 had, but I wish they had used their 3 games more efficiently.
I lost to boost guardian only twice. The fastest way to destroy him is via super missiles
Getting to the Spider Guardian was the equivalent of getting to the Power Bomb station in Metroid Prime 1 in Phazon Mines, you have to go through the whole thing in one go with all these puzzles and a butt load of element pirates and I think a Metroid nest.
Ok I love your videos but I really feel like you didn't give this one a fair shot
I just beat metroid prime 2 for my second time and I loved it except for the end. At least this game is better than other m
I wonder if Johnny's gonna revisit the Prime Trilogy and make new videos about them, curious to hear his takes about these games today
He’s stated on Twitter that he’ll do it once Metroid Prime 4 has been given an official release date and Prime 2 and 3 have been remastered like how Prime 1 recently was.
The biggest deal about this game was the 3D debut of the Screw Attack. It may have been somewhat limited as a movement system than an actual combat item, but it can make mincemeat out of those nasty mofos that can hack the systems of Samus's suit. There was even a magazine article about it. Can't recall which one though.
Finally someone feels the same as me, hates prime 2 but loves prime 1
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Jump On Everything I don’t hate Prime 2, it was still fine, but I didn’t find this game as memorable as Prime 1 and 3.
I'm playing the game right now and I think Its that bad.
I'm on the Fortress. Its not as Good as the first one, but fuck, 6/10?
I would Give it 8/10 at least.
I guess he is rating the game form 1 to 10 not from 7 to 10 like certain reviewers. Then again I don't know what johnny's criteria are in rating.
I just played MP2 Echoes and finished it... and amazingly I have exactly the same opinions you do. You are spot on with this review!
I often found myself humming the theme to the Dark World from Link to the Past while playing this. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was seeing similarities there.
people are weird..when this first came out everyone was saying it was better than the first. now they not.
Without even playing Metroid Prime Trilogy, I can tell that the spring ball feature that Trilogy gives Metroid Prime 2 can absolutely screw over the spider gaurdian
oh yeah. spring ball is the death of that guy. first time I beat him i didn't use it because I had only just found out it existed, so i ended up using bombs for most of the fight to jump, and holy crap did i get frustrated. however, in my second playthrough, when I had more experience with spring ball, I absolutely destroyed him. i actually took more damage from the half pipe section of the battle in that run.
roklord82
More?
William Rodriguez the first time I fought him, I would try to jump up to a higher ledge only to fall on my ass. really I just needed to figure out how high I could jump with spring ball, something I did not have the luxury of figuring out in the heat of battle with a glorified pill bug constantly on your ass. remember, I had only just found out about the spring ball.
You made it sound like you took more damage on the second fight at the end of your first comment.
William Rodriguez Oh that, well thing is, spider guardian is fought in three stages, and what I was saying at the end of the first comment was that I took more damage from the second part than I did the first part, which wasn't that much (probably not even an energy tank), whereas in my first fight with him I lost a LOT more health during the last part (multiple energy tanks worth, in fact I thought I might have to rematch him I was losing so much) and it also took much longer to kill him.
In my second Hypermode playthrough, I went out of my way to find the energy tank at the dark temple, and that one ammo expansion. Then the boss was SO easy... I just spammed the dark beam and missiles. Again, it was SO easy.
If John ever does do a Playthrough for a channel (BSC or SGB) can you edit in guile saying sonic Boom when you fire it?
Prime 2 is my least favorite 3D metroid game. the scans are way too abundant, and I hated the atmospheric issues in the dark world. Also, the sky keys took forever to get. Even with a guide.
The screw attack though, I love in the Prime Series, it doesnt seem as game breaking as in the 2d metroids. All you do is aim where you want to land, triple jump, and jump 4 more times to get there. I don't look at it as an attack like it is in 2D metroid, but rather an extended jump that provides invincibility, like a star man. It does come WAY too late in the game here, which is why Im glad you get it early in Prime 3 (my favorite 3d metroid game)
Shadz Gamez You needed a guide to find them?!! Lol.
Third is your favorite, eh? Unpopular opinion but refreshing to hear.