Puppy Linux Install and Review
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- In this video I review Puppy Linux
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I have good memories of using Puppy Linux on my first good laptop that I could afford as a child in 2007: A ThinkPad 560X that I paid 40$ for. It had a 233mhz mmx Pentium and 96mb of ram, with a 4gb hard disk. I used it to browse internet a the local public library, with a CardBus WiFi adapter and Firefox version 2.
🥺
I remember when Puppy first approached the 100MB threshold. Damn I feel old.
Currently its like 300mb
Shoot, that was... 2007? They tried really hard to keep that 100mb for years.
Anybody got the phone number for the retirement home?
I remember buying those small CDs (210mb), so that I can run Puppy off it.
Then you should know DSLinux too? Hahaa
"Everybody now runs SSDs."
Cries in HDDlet.
Ur not alone captain... ;-;
> has macsek (catty cat) s background
> is called puppy linux
@@exu_skully8728 > has macsek (űűű) as background
> is called puppy linux
@@exu_skully8728 ca ptain
> SSD rans out space
"I speak American English not Great Britain English...we won that war, we have our own corrupt government and taxes now."
XD _dies of laughter_
And both countries have the same overlords that own your currencies, create them out from nothing and force you to pay interest for that money.
Though USA winning that war is a myth anyways, and IRS is a foreign corporation. I find it quite unbelievable that American people who appreciate freedom, have all those guns, are still not organized at all to take down foreign corrupt agencies.
@@juzujuzu4555 Cool story bro.
@@liesdamnlies3372 I just realized that your cool name XD
@@juzujuzu4555 I find statistics amusing.
@@liesdamnlies3372 100% of people who drink water die
WTF? I remember when puppy linux looked like a bland win3.1-ish OS with very few applications (surprised it even had a browser). But apparently they've updated it this much? Wow.
it's supposed to be called dog linux now
@@johnxd5116 lol f
I always have puppy around. Used it to install Gentoo when systemRescue failed to boot. It is also actually a very good rescue distro (fixed Grub countless times from puppy). And also perfect for having Wine and a copy of Fallout 1/2 and Diablo 1/2, making it a portable gaming USB stick you can plug at class/libraries/etc
Puppy Linux is the most powerful operating system.
I disagree. TempleOS is actually superior. Terry A. Davis was the smartest programmer who ever lived.
@@Lachrymogenic *God's Word*
@@Lachrymogenic and its very lightweight too, just 16mb for full iso or 2mb for lite iso
Nuh uh Bieber Linux is peak
you all really gonna ignore amog os?
Finally, the Gentoo killer
lmao.
You what?
not really
@@kquote03 >he couldn't take the puppy pill
@@zZGzHD not really
YES OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS DISTRO! Best used on USB stick
Mee too!
Puppy save me until today!
Elementary OS also boots in like 15 seconds from USB 2 and fits on a 2 gig drive. It's very fast for such a relatively resource intensive distro.
@@awesomeferret who the fuck was talking about Elementary os?
@@Fraudjaku me? Lol. It's another example of a distro that can boot from a tiny flash drive and do so very quickly, just like Pupply Linux. Why did you take my comment so personally, lol
@@awesomeferret Elementary os is just resouce hogging sure it might be "light" (nope) in the iso but it takes up alot of ram and is mega slow. Its just ubuntu with new de
Ah sweet, something for the old netbook a friend gave me
It's the only thing I could get to work with any level of comfort on my old netbook. Still can't save you from the bloat of the internet though.
Puppy linux was my first linux distro . I ran it on my old pentium III with 128mb of ram back in late 2000s
it was very easy to setup and use and the community is quite helpful.
"That's what this mostly seems like, is that puppy linux is just including a lot of software that I'm not really familiar with".
Well if Puppy's lighweight, he's a 4-eyed cat... oh wait, the 4-eyed cat man was bloat all the time!
he just double clicked when opening eyes
8___8
Puppy Linux is my favorite lightweight distro. Thanks for covering it!
"Most people who are going to be using Puppy Linux are grandpas"
Yeah, considering you probably need to use the terminal to just make the letters bigger, I don't think that's the intended demographic haha...
u set it up for them and they use it as a bootloader for palemoon
doesn't happen on real hardware
These light-weight distros reminds me of the days when we used to think that having a 32 MB RAM was a total waste of money 😁. And the client was a big show off. And having a modem (14.4 KBPS was really the height of extravaganza) [I am that old]
Me in Hungary: used a commodore 64 in the first half of the 90s as a kid
The desktop has either JWM or IceWM, the file manager is ROX-Filer. Abiword and Gnumeric aren't simplified versions of LibreOffice, they are completely different software, probably dating from before OpenOffice was made free-libre.
I think the tiled background when you scale it up might be intended behavior
You would need to reset the background image to fix it
This was actually one of the first distros I tried out on Linux. Used it for super old computers, and it usually got the job done faster. Glad to see they've been making some big improvements!
Puppy is more of a utility distro to me, you install the applications you want and keep a separate partition / external storage as your home folder.
That's because it actually uses saves to write user data
It's so nice to have the choice between all these Linux distros. My Arch installation with Qtile (and formerly i3-gaps) idles at 280-320 MB RAM. I wonder if I could narrow it down to 100 MB with Gentoo.
Still learning how to set this up! 😀
Idle ram is wasted ram?
@@godfather7339 The less RAM the system occupies for itself, the more RAM is available for applications 🙂
@@marioschroers7318 thats kind of semi true, the kernal destroys useless processes when ram is scarce, so if the os is using 500 mb when idle it will use less when only 2gb is available.
@@godfather7339 That's true. 🙂 Both my systems (a laptop and a stationary PC) are equipped with 8 and 16 GB RAM, respectively. This is a challenge out of interest rather than an actual necessity. I'm curious about finding out how much I can reduce the system load while still maintaining a usable system that would fulfill my requirements.
Linux has come a long way in mitigating resource usage. It's interesting to see how Ubuntu with GNOME would regularly max out those 8 GB I used to have available before upgrading my PC RAM to 16 GB. On Arch, it would hardly ever peak beyond 4 GB with many applications running in parallel and many browser tabs open.
Interestingly, a friend of mine reported that on his MacBook which he uses for fun and learning about computers (otherwise, he's a Linux user as well) would idle at 4.55 GB RAM used out of the 8 GB he has installed.
I have been using puppy for years and love it. Simple to setup my Epson scanner and brother printer/scanner, samba shares are the easiest to setup from any distros I have tried.
What did you use to burn the iso to USB stick? I tried dd and etcher. When I try to boot I keep getting a menu.lst error. I never had this with any other version of puppy Linux.
There is so much more you can do with this gem of a distro. For me, it's awesome and I have no issues when using it as a daily driver.
Loved your video!! Thanks!😀
take a look at Linux Lite, it seems very geared towards migrating Windows users.
you mean windows 12 lite
@PixelElectronX I know, it was a joke comment I made for lols.
HI, most of my very old machines run puppy linux, the first time was on a toshiba laptop ( pentium M or D ) and the hdd died, i was able to sort of make 2 or 2 partitions and our It repair contractor recommended this thing called linux puppy 4 ( the replacement ide hdd was worth more than the laptop )
So burn the image to cd and run from cd-rom - it worked great, i ran it from ram for about 3 years after some tinkering i realised i could same my live image to one of the working partitions on the hdd, and my saved file son another partition
This plus dos box gave me everything except windows xp windows 7 at the time
Today , i still have that toshiba laptop plus the next model 9 the old one has serial paralell and usb1 , the newer one is no legacy machine both are about 2003-2006 build )
I also run puppy 5 and 6 on thin clients and use them as home server and work back up machines.
Regards
George
My mom uses 1.8ghz single core Celeron laptop from 2006. Though it was one of the slowest laptops that you could buy even back then. It became a real challenge to get it playing online videos, as that was the most demanding thing that laptop would have been used for. After some tough optimization and certain tricks, that finally worked.
But I'm thinking about installing Gentoo on it, optimizing that as hard as possible, and obviously using distcc. This is one of those situations where getting that extra 10-20% performance actually changes things from unusable to usable, so it will be a nice challenge.
by online videos pls dont tell me its youtube... gonna be a real challenge maybe use puppy with mpv
@@someonehere4380 She is currently having heavily tuned Lubuntu with custom kernel. And CZcams works fine, but in fullscreen it's FPS drops somewhat.
But with Gentoo I could optimize everything to that ancient 32bit CPU and small amount of L2 cache. Also LTO optimization, and more aggressive flags works with Gentoo and could provide certain benefits.
I had that laptop for free exactly 10 years ago. About 8 years ago I had to solder wires to it's main board to get power to it. It's battery have been so dead for 8 years that if you cut down power, the laptop goes black in 1 second.
Also I have had to fix it structurally because the plastic has become like dust.
But it has amazing screen at it's age, 2gb of RAM and my mom has been happy with it. So it has been my hobby and passion to keep that laptop running as long as possible.
Other hobby I have is optimizing Gentoo =) Now I want to combine these two hobbies and get some more years on that laptop XD
@@juzujuzu4555 my laptop is from 2008 has 1gb ram 1stick and a xore 2 duo 2 cores and 2ghz but uses 1.5ghz cz not enough power from charger and battery is dead i use linux mint xfce4 its fine.. not much i use it for some internet browsing and do some fun experiments and store school files since it has 80gb of storage (72gb usable)
@@someonehere4380 I had Core 2 duo 2ghz also, and it's still decent CPU for Linux. It's at least 250% faster than 1.8ghz Celeron =)
With 1GB of RAM I would try Lubuntu or some other lighter desktop and distro. XFCE4 is quite light, but LXQt saves you probably about 100MB or so.
@@juzujuzu4555 alright thx for the info and ye ik my cpu is not that bad but the integrated graphics... i dont wanna talk abt it
Every once in a while I give Puppy and Alpine a test in a netbook but usually I just go back to Mint or Lubuntu
Cause you haven't tried Gentoo yet
Try bunsenlabs linux. Its ubuntu deribated so fully funtional but tweaked to be very lightweight. I use it for for my nas
@@laharl2k > has hesteg exclaimatin point (hestexc) s background
> is called bunsenlabs
@@laharl2k yes! it's the continuation of crunchbang which I used to use on my old laptop.
Give antiX a try it’s pretty good.
i used to daily this os in 2017-18 when i only had a athlon 64 x2 once you know where everything is it's an easy os to use. also nearly everything can be done with the GUI
Haven't heard people talk about this distro since...forever. I think the last time I heard of it was from Joe Collins back in 2015-2-2017
With a lot of new usb booting distros Puppy is less popular today.
Interesting vid. Love the "won that war" comments. I used to run Puppy on old dying laptops years ago. It def looks prettier now. I didn't really like the run-as-root stuff and the restrictions in available software and the lack of customisation options (oh yeah and the single-click stuff took some getting used to, was reminded by you opening multiple instances of programs by accident lol) but it was fast af and I mainly enjoyed it, and it was v useful in that situation. Glad it's still around.
You mention that puppy Linux should not be used as a daily driver. I beg to differ in that puppy Linux is an excellent distro to use as a daily driver. I have been using it for years as my main distro because you don't have to worry about things like using time shift, backups are easier in puppy based on my experiences with other distros. Running puppy from a flash drive makes a lot of sense for me. I only have desktop computers that puppy runs from using a flash drive
Great video BTW. Loved it!!!!!
He only said that it shouldn't be used as a daily driver in contexts where being logged in as root all the time would be bad, such as a work or library computer. He said single-user home computers would work just fine daily driving Puppy Linux.
I have SSD ye...
Slow Spinny Disk.
I think you missed the point of this distro...
It 1.runs inside ram and 2. Its able to save its persistence into a savefile.
The criteria some apps were chosen were actually by the file size compared to functionality. Including abiword, paint, palemoon.
Anyway, persistency - you can install your tools, make a savefile, and then make backup of it. If you break something, you can load it back.
So whole system is 300mb +512mb or 1gb savefile with your apps or recovery tools or whatever.
The size helps it load faster over usb 2.0!
Now try running ubuntu via 2.0 or 3.0... stuff doesn't work.
Also you can unplug the pendrive while the system is running which is fun.
Tldr : technician's distro, not your grandpas.
Edit: oh yeah installing is horribly complex because noone really bothered to simplify it... Because why would you install root only distro?
"puppy is the best distro because It comes with htop pre installed"
meanwhile mint with neofetch pre installed
ikr
angry sudo apt install
There are 15 year old thinkpads now that run modern windows just fine if you install an SSD, but for an old person I'd probably go with elementary
15 year old laptops dont have drivers for modern windows
@@valt1337 computers are not that different today, all the components in laptops from that time are older versions of components that exist now and are covered by their drivers or by a generic windows driver. this is not a matter of speculation, i have multiple old laptops that run windows fine. you may be confused as to how long ago 15 years is
@@Joshlul I have a lenovo thinkpad from 14 years ago. doesnt work with win 10
@@valt1337 what, an x60 or something? i literally run windows 10 on mine, a tablet version, and it works including the touch screen. i did not need to install any drivers either
@@valt1337 are you sure someone didn't libreboot your thinkpad before you got it? that doesn't work with windows
I also used it like 10 years ago. I had it running on an old Pentium MMX (I think it was ~250 MHz) and it worked pretty well even on that. Now it looks like the RAM consumption is not any better than a normal distro. Kind of defeats the original purpose of it - to be compact and run on old hardware.
It runs in RAM, the whole distro loads into ram including "every" included program and never reads from or writes back to the boot medium unless you are saving something to the boot medium, accessing something from it or saving your session, which can be saved to the HDD or not saved, you can remove the boot medium if removable once booted, that's the difference, to do this with most popular distros would mean many gigs of ram used, not 350mb ... this should make it lightning fast, but I've found Pale Moon to be slow, it's either pale moon or there's something else at fault with the distro.
It looks super slow on your machine mister, it is lightning fast normally.
It helped me a lot when I was in Japan netcafe's travel, lifting restrictions, working on personal accounts and leaving no trace.
I have a compaq presario from 2004 running puppy. Love that I can still be on the internet with a pentium 4 with relative ease. it can even stream simple videos.
As a dog person I could use this!
You're an anthropomorphic dog? There is this group called "furries" and they worship you as their god. You should meet them. Unless you're only part dog, like only your head. In that case you should meet the Egyptians.
@@censoredterminalautism4073 I’d rather not get involved with furries
@@censoredterminalautism4073 nice religion you got there. I'm interested.
@@user-jc2in3cp3g Not even if they give you a bunch of money and build you a pyramid?
@@censoredterminalautism4073 I’ll consider after they build me a pyramid 😂
Yes, F***. I will double-click everything! =)
Mental, one video idea would be to make Qemu working under Gentoo. That's something that would help everyone, but which would have certain Gentoo specific things for those who use the best distro. Getting some Linux working with Qemu with acceleration would be great.
One of the best distros around..small but powerful with a great community..saves many laptops from landfill.
Wow, you are actually pretty nice to puppy... I kinda expect you to trash on it.
Old puppy had some weird issues in my experience
Great review been using puppy for 15 years now I love it
What I like Puppy for is making excellent little LiveCD's for doing some basic diagnostics on older PC's.
wow that whole distro with with a gui is lighter than the base artix live cd.
Does a review of Puppy Linux / CZcams avatar is a cat. 😆
I love all my puppies but slacko is one of the best, keeps my ole the think pads going,
This is my first linux distro. Worked beautifully with my old computer.
but does it run crysis?
Your video helped me install Puppy to my old Acer Aspire One that's been sitting in an abandoned car for 3yrs.. Now my kids can use it.. :D
I like PuppyLinux,it has a good pick of balance between user-friendly environment and lightness.
Puppy linux is a fantastic rescue cd/usb distro, like if you break your xorg, you can run this, and still browse the web to fix your main os install with it.
Nostalgia! I don’t remember installation being that hard before lol
you should try Bookworm Puppy Linux. It has more features and seems to have more ironed out design and stability.
Puppy linux is my os savior, a use it when my pc with windows stop working.
A remember too wen a trying to build a custom puppy, just a have success a few times.
After see you with new version a will test the new version.
God Bless you!
Would you consider this distro appropriate for a NextCloud server?
Weary Puppy was the first distro I ever used, to revive what is now a nearly 20 year old laptop.
I found out later that it's a little idiosyncratic as far as Linux distros goes
Normal distros are like the Ramones, Puppy is like the Talking Heads 😂
I'm running Puppy Tahr to revive an old Laptop from 2003 without a Harddisk(Cyclic redundancy) from a live USB!
I turned that 32Vram, 512mb Ram into a 32-bit emulation machine!!!
Using Gelide as a frontend for everything from Atari, MSX up to PS1
(N64 only runs Mario64 decently)
I'm only revving it for my 7yr old nieces~
Winx [JVM] desktop only uses around 72mb of ram!!!!
Oh i used Puppy Linux a long time ago, was useful when i was on a laptop that had it's HDD rekt. But also used it as my personal custom install and stuff. I could just use about any computer. with my own settings and stuff.
Lets not go into IRC with a bunch of weirdos, that's what YT comments are for.
So happy to find out this OS and other OSs like backbox and zorin support Israel. So antiX is the best choice and feels nicer to be on the anti facism side than the genocide supporters. And It is more lightweight and overall better. Lubuntu also is a nice option
Puppy is mostly shell script. I love this.
> has macsek (catty cat) s background
> is called puppy linux
The distro that gave me the palememe pill. Based
Really happy to see you fixed the audio problems.
Based. I'm a puppy user, love it.
I was hoping you were going to show us how to change the wallpaper so I wouldn't have to look at that Tasmanian tiger any more. And how to find the password manager which is hidden somewhere. And the Puppy installation command. Apt and apt-get are not included. Where's the Puppy repo? Who knows?
There are utilities to set up the desktop under the item 'desktop' in the menu.
Normal way to setup/install applications is through the Puppy Package Manager. Puppy nowadays uses the packages of another distro, for Fossapup that is ubuntu focal fossa. So you have all the packages from ubuntu!
Fossapup also has the command line tool pkg.
Sfs is another way that Puppy can provide packages, mainly for bigger apps. Try sfsget in the terminal, or use sfs_load from the menu if you already have a sfs file.
Quickpet is a utility that provides popular well prepared apps in an easy way.
Also checkout the forum. Puppy enthousiasts provide packages there.
@@Frank-dv7ji Thanks for the help. Puppy Linux, being a quirky independent, really should have an extensive wiki. That would most likely help them increase their user base.
@@billfarley9015 That is not the best side of Puppy, true.
Pupplers are mostly tinkerers that rather dive into the dircorties and files themselves doing things 'manually' and they do not document that.
Pupplers often break their Puppy, learning in the process. A broken Puppy is easily reinstalled, no harm done.
And the forum is very friendly.
SLACKPUP NO PERSISTENCE USB BOYS WHERE YOU AT?
To be fair, a 12 year old ThinkPad would run any Linux distro decently with an SSD and enough RAM. I would have said 15 year old.
it is perfect on an old eeePC running: around 1 Ghz, 1GB Ram, and 16 GB space, where it is used as an music player at work... Works great.
good video.
But software gore does hurt...
you should make a os review playlist
Just a quick info, we can hear footsteps in the video, like loud thuds, maybe you want to check that on your recording setup ?
7:39 I don't know if you did this offscreen, but you could have used the 'cvt' tool that, I believe, comes with the Xrandr package to generate the 1920x1080 timings
Cant reach runlevel 5? It can handle service accounts fine but not a second user account for security? Other distro’s don’t run from ram? I have some serious concerns about the way this distro is presented in this video
Pls review OpenBSD
Such wow!
Wow
.. Nero?
@@CausticAscarite If you read WOW backwards it contains a secret message!
@@Mrln23 no I mean there is a cryptocurrency with a ticker exactly called "WOW". Wownero. I just had accidental flashbacks when I read your "WOW"
@@CausticAscarite wow
@@Mrln23 stop it
wasn;'t that the ROX-Filer file manager? that piece of software could be explained in at the very least 5 videos.
Rox is awesome. Maybe the second best thing of Puppy, second behind the frugal (layered) thing only. It's more than a file manager. It's also a pinboard with background, panels ... a basic DE.
Debian/Sway is idling at 340MB
After using Puppy many years ago on a P3 that was difficult to install anything on (can't remember the full details, probably 14yrs ago) and finding all the tools to boot the thing from a 3.5" USB diskette (think the internal diskette was dead and a new one unavailable) the bios only supported booting from diskette even though it contained a CD drive, I was surprised by the amount of effort people had put in, today I often boot bionicpup64 on a 2010 Dell Latitude with 8 gig ram, it's slower than win7 on this machine when loading the home page of (for example) CZcams, internet could be faster using Pale Moon, but it's ok, thing I found most annoying was there were the same difficulties for me setting up the internet via WiFi, too many tools to choose from and plus the firmware for the Wifi card wasn't included ... even though when bashing away at the prompt probing the Wifi claimed it had the firmware, the model card had several variations that needed the right firmware .pet ran to get it to work, yet it normally is with this included with this kernel, so someone took it out, took some research to fix that, but it does work well and is secure compared to using Win7 on this older machine.
You are not suppose to install it to the hard drive like that. This destroys the security. Instead you are supposed to install as FRUGAL. Just copy a couple files over. That's it. A lot easier and more secure.
It's equally easy to install to a usb drive, zip drive, or boot from cdrom, or internally into windows with Puppy Lick, which adds Puppy to the windows boot menu. The Frugal method keeps the immutable Squash file system. I'm using Twinview in my xorg file to get my perfect resolutions. I learned that from MythTV.
Very informative, thanks!
so its more lightweight than bloody chrome? what sorcery is this?
Good software selection. Particularly Abiword and Gnumeric, those are way better than BloatOffice and that comes with everything. Accidentally opening any of those programs is a really bad time. It's like opening Adobe Reader, you just lost 30 seconds and your day is ruined.
i bought a lil intel atom laptop (7inch) for 30 aus
with an intel atom n450
2gb ddr2
puppy linux, it runs sooooo good compared to its based windows 7
I tried this, but I had fewer issues with antiX. Looks better too. Still not the easiest thing to customize, but it’s a little lighter too, I think.
It was really odd, it was possible to buy an EeePC with SSD harddisks, albeit very small drive, so yeah, it was possible, but I think most chose the 320 GB or so spinny drive instead.
Puppy Linux even made my ancient 1995 desktop like a new system.
Plz Also Review Slax Linux it's also lightweight distro
Tried installing this in a VM and after this step at 4:59 it would just show a blinking cursor on the top left of a black screen and do nothing forever
"I don't know where the eraser is"
My instinct: Ctrl+z!
The best thing is the write speeds to a ramdisk. You get 4GB/s
7:11 that's what she said
5:23 Ha! Nice!!! 😂😂😂
That's normal when I started to boot the installation, it's showing me a error message? It's saying:
Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task!
---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task! ]---
~700MB of ram? I think one of the old versions I have burned in a CD uses like 100MB at most
if you want a distro lighter then air and that can run on patatos try absolute linux it uses 64mb ram half of the ram puppt linux uses
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I assume I will break a chain now
@@kagai4101 you did (
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I think I will try Puppy in a Virtual machine on my Windows host. My laptop already dualboots Linux and I want to try it but have no need for such a light OS as most of my hardware is fairly capable.
Just use it as intended, with a USB or SD drive and run it from RAM, then you have a great fast OS that does exactly what you want...
One more question before I take the plunge to English Bobz Poopie Linnix. Does it include ant-flea ? 😋 BTW. The Costa Rican govt uses on their Top Secret Serverz. They had a recent issue with the space program servers getting a worm. They applied DDT(available at the local hardware) Fixed it right up but now the mice are all dead !
early gang here
I remember fondly installing puppy on my moms cousin's laptop YEARS ago because she kept getting windows malware, and the thing was a potato. That had to have been 12 years ago now.