The Marvels - The Absolute State Of The MCU
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- čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
- The Marvels, starring Brie Larson is finally here, and its just as bad as we all feared. The MCU is basically a dead franchise at this point.
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Its a bad sign when you are more excited for the reviews than the actual movie
And the pitch meeting. They're always fun
facts
Especially from this guy
@@pigeonpoo1823yep.
@chad9331 right there with you.
Honestly, I always expected this. People don't have the energy to hate on MCU, nor do they have the energy to care about it. It dies by apathy, and I think that's beautiful.
If only the Star Wars universe could similarly die.
@trevorlambert4226 Star Wars universe can die after I get Andor S2 and my third Jedi game
no endor 2, i do want a new star wars battlefront game... than it can die@@JG_107
Apathy is death
I rather have Star Wars and MCU to become good again
"The effects must service the story. When the effects become the story, we've lost our way."
-Steven Spielberg
🤣🤣🤣Keep telling yourself that, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Spielberg
that movie is better than anything that came out in the last 5 years@@Leodog92
Michael Bay has entered the chat.
The effects is crap too.
the same george lucas said even before steven spielberg, and that they quote the other is really funny because they are best friends since when they where young.
I just saw the movie and I laughed a few times. Not because it was intentional by it... It's almost as if you asked a 6 year old little girl in the 90s what she wanted to see in a movie. and..."Princess or Cindarella, singing, sometiing like freaky friday, oh and cats, I love Cats aaaand jump rope!" was the answer and the author was like : "don't say anymore, I got you!" The whole thing was then just garnished with a little toxic femininity and every male role was given more cluelessness than the main actors(who gives a shit about their backgrounds, it is about empoerment of the gilrls, right?) , as always. aaaand the movie was finished. Why did it take so long for this?
You watched it?!
I fell asleep 3 times. 90 minute movie, 3 times, Word of God, it was so goddamn boring.
What a great comment. :D
Stop rewarding them!
Waman empowerment is important.
The moment they made multiple TV shows mandatory viewing for a movie is going to be treated as Marvel's biggest mistake in the future
No the moment they went woke is what did it.
Totally agree. I watched Dr strange 2 and had zero idea why scarlet witch was evil.
One of them…
There used to be excitement whenever a marvel movie is coming out. But multiple endless TV shows just make it, oh no not again.
@@stephenphillips7699tbf the show doesn't seem explain that anyway😂
Disney + Marvel and Hollywood at large needs to give cinema back to the creatives instead of just commissioning writers and rushing scripts. We’re all here cuz we love movies but are unhappy with the current state of the industry
Balls
The man the myth the legend, didn’t expect u to be here
It’s antiman metoo era Revenge to destroy what guys once loved.
Disney is the Thanos of Hollywood.
I love this cycle of seeing the corporatization of creativity, calling it out and then getting called evil for it. feels great
You know I actually feel bad for Iman Vellani. I met her at the Miss Marvel premiere and it was clear how excited she was about the MCU and how much of a fan she is. She's also a very sweet person whose enthusiasm for the franchise was infectious.
It just sucks that someone that excited about Marvel entered the franchise when it's sinking as badly as it is now.
The fact you went to the Ms marvel premiere 😂
@@kaizersosai8560 It was for our internship.
@@CrayTomYeah...no. That's not how it works in finding a fandom.
Pretty much the same thing as with Liam Hemsworth
Her show was fantastic tho. You see that's the fucking thing you guys don't even watch this stuff you just say it's bad and call it a day lol.
My sincerest condolences for having to watch the movie to tell us the plot
When your villain has the same evil plan as Spaceballs, you should probably hire a new writer.
She's gone from suck to blow! 😮
Disney: "So, what are the opening numbers looking like?"
The Marvels: "We ain't found SHIT!"
Commence Operation…Vacusuck
@@Robkinggozerlol!
If they don’t, pizza is gonna send out for them
“You gotta do better, senator!” Never fails to crack me up. Can’t believe that’s a real line from a real show 😂
*The power is youuurs*
And he was talking about not calling terrorists....terrorists...😂
@@Bear-sn1psI'm old enough to remember when terrorists were not automatically the villain just because they were terrorists.
StarTrek TNG The High Ground would like a discussion but something happened in 2001 and everyone lost their goddamn minds when it came to understanding what causes terrorism.
The Captain Falcon peptalk? That was a classic moment, pure comedy
@@Bear-sn1ps They shit on this poor actor's career pretty good.
If this were a D&D campaign, it would have fizzled out by session 2. The session where half the people don't show up, the food is mediocre at best, nobody brought chip dip, and the only drinks left are diet water and non-alcoholic beer. The Dungeon Master has given up trying to come up with plot points and game hooks because he can't even successfully railroad them into the main campaign, and at least 2 of the players don't want to follow the story anyways, preferring instead to attempt to seduce every creature after their successful failure with the buxom barmaid. In truth, it shouldn't have even gone on for as long as it did. It should have been a one shot and then nobody ever speaks of it again.
what spell level would Black Girl Magic be?
Ugh. I wonder how many people here have lived through that? I know I have. Now I want to take a shower.
@@MarkOakleyComics
no DnD is better than bad DnD
Sad thing about this movie is that there are good things in there. Kamala is fun and likeable and she could as well be the main protagonist. Brie is actually kind of okay here - things would've been very different if she acted like this in the original Captain Marvel movie. The whole plot with Carol's "revenge" causing civil war and the consequences of it is pretty good and potent material for exploring how she's viewed and what her relationships are. But unfortunately all of that is wasted.
Yes! That's exactly how I felt, it had potential and at least one likable lead and they dropped the ball AGAIN.
I mean, as bad as it is it’s rotten tomatoes score is above Morbius, which is a miracle
I dunno, the Cree were depicted as unapologetic and evil imperialists in the first film, straight-up attempting genocide, so I don't think causing them a civil war that effectively punishes them for their behavior and puts a stop to their march of destruction is really fertile ground for any sort of growth or moral dilemma. I mean, if Adolf had been taken out and Germany descended into internal chaos, would the assassin feel bad about it?
@@biwnzixebrxb4786 rotten tomatoes is a steaming pile of shit
And many of us tried warning Disney of all their problems but instead of listening to their fans they decided to label all of us, "racists", "sexists" & "bigots" and went full steam ahead with their BS that ended up costing them most of their fans and we AREN'T coming back.
Another grand example of what happens when the loud minority manages to spill some internet over into real life.
FACTS!!!
it also cost them about 60% of their stock price, (as of November of 2023) ouch,
Never go full Disney
This is all being done on purpose. They’re not stupid and incompetent.
"the prospect of a teenage girl explosively decompressing on our screens would've turned it into a very different movie"
The Drinker never dissapoints😂
I would watch that movie.
I’d go see it just for that…and then leave the theater.
If Brie Larson decompressed in space into a pile of goo I would actually buy a ticket for that
In space no one can hear you scream
@@sardaukerlegionCameras still works, though!
XD
The irony of a bunch of feminists in an empty oblivion alone with a bunch of cats is just 🧑🍳💋
Unintentional morbid poetry
theres always blue curtains
If you were to do a detailed study of male traits and fed them into an A.I super computer, then the same with female traits...
There is no way in a million years A.I. would pump this sh*t out...
I try and say to my sister "Imagine if you had arnie, stallone & van damme in a movie in ballerina dresses", she tells me to shut up, its not the same.
I see at EXACTLY the same, and so do 100s of millions of men
This comment made me cry of laughter. Thank you
@@armondtanzthat is, if it’s an objective AI
The answer is blindingly simple. All the MCU has to do is find some of the best old stories in the comics and try their hardest to do a *faithful* adaptation, only changing things to help the page be realised on the screen. You need directors and actors who love the stories and want to do them justice. It's all that is needed. However, it seems that Disney's meeting rooms are so full of activists that faithfully adapting older material has become impossible. They should sell the MCU to someone who wants to honour the original material.
Didn't expect to hear the critical drinker actually say some mildly nice words about Blarson's performance in this movie.
What he said yesterday on live stream was. She tries out some facial expressions she think will mimic human emotions. So he decided to be a little more nice here 😂
It goes to show how shit her character was written in the first movie, Brie Larson may not be the most likeable, but she can act in the right circumstances.
Let's face it, after her work in Captain Marvel, the bar was set pretty low. So not that surprising that she managed to get over it rather then squeeze under!
She isn't a bad actress. This is a poor character that she obviously doesn't care about. They probably should have gone for Emily Blunt instead.
He only says that for views. Bashing marvel gets him popularity.
Standing by to insulted by his far right followers and how I don't know anything about Critical Drinker.
I was forced to watch this last night. Two points
1. I don't think I'm the target audience for marvel anymore.
2. The combined emotional intelligence of the characters would add up to a 6 year old.
and even 6 years old can be 5D chess champions sometime from our perspective giiven how manipulative they can be when they want something, not really the case hree
The lack of emotional maturity began with social media. Everyone behaves like childish brats now. I would even say that it even devolved the maturity of the millenials and gen x and boomers.
Emotional intelligence isn't a real thing.
@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Oh really?
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408I imagine you haven't met many different people if you think that. It's absolutely a thing, and has a profound impact on a person's ability to have positive relationships or have a successful career.
Bless the drinker for enduring such torture so we won’t have to..
The movies musical number where Bree sings and dances is its high point , can't miss that.
you mean making money off losers like you
I stumbled across you a few months ago. I can't invest in the long discussions (I am not complaining; your guests are excellent), but your five-ten minute reviews are goddamned hilarious and spot-on. You clearly know about writing, directing, acting, cinematography, and you know what's going on behind the scenes. Please keep up the good work.
If only Marvel had I don't know 80 years of comic material to choose from to come up with a better story!
This sucks
Captain Marvel isn't even among the top 10 most popular females in Marvel, that could be an excuse years ago since the most popular ones are from the X-Men (Rogue, Storm, Phoenix), were all with Fox, but not now there's no excuse, even the decision to turn Captain Marvel into a female version of Superman was dumbe since you can literally do the same thing with Rogue or Jean Grey.
Exactly it’s actually pathetic but that’s because they aren’t looking at comics for a bit of inspiration and ideas like they use to they are thinking about diversity political stuff and finding random directors who know nothing about marvel but as long as they have diversity ideas they don’t care it’s good enough
@@evangingerson1271 exactly. It’s so annoying it really is. They’re trying to reach a base that does not even care rather than just sticking with their massive fan base they have always had. Rather than pushing us away.
Diversity first
I can't help but applaud them honestly, everyone had 0 expectations and it was still worse than they expected
Drinker inspires me.. My parents said if i get 70K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
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@@namantherockstar No , that's not how it works
The Drinkers final comments remind me of a saying my dad used to tell me. "The opposite of love is not hate. Hatred implies that you still care on some level. The opposite of love is indifference."
Just like Wakanda Forever…I’m not going to watch it if I don’t have to. To quote Big Trouble in Little China, “just like your salad bar, take what you want and leave the rest.”
If I had a dollar every time a screenwriter used "quantum entanglement" to completely misrepresent what it is, I'd definitely have around $100 already. It's as scientific as Chernobyl liquidators turning into Hulks
I would watch a movie about this thought.
Quantum anything in a movie is almost always magic by another name.
Im sure they will blame LOKI for these. I wish LOKI didnt do what he did Yesterday
Quantum entanglement? Isn’t that what Jada Pickett Smith had?
Wait, you mean they didn't turn into Hulks?
The Drinker suffered through this movie so we wouldn't have to. Thank you for your service 😢
Not all heroes wear capes.
@@DavidLopez-qi8hb some just so happen like hanging out at a scottish pub
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Critical Drinker is a hack. He loves the Marvels because grifting gets him the most views therefore giving him the most money.
Standing by to be insulted by his blind followers.
@@maxpower8763 How would that make him a 'hack'? It's just youtube content for those interested and this is part of his repertoire.
What did you think of The Marvels?
At this rate, I think reviewers are better off just ignoring any Marvel movie that gets released. It's predictable how low in quality they will be.
Part of the problem with super hero movies is they seem to have forgotten what it's all about. Super heros are not cool because of over the top fight scenes but rather the internal struggles. That should always be the first highlight in a super hero movie and if something is on the cutting room floor the scenes around character growth are being cut you're doing something wrong. Secondary characters should be and stay secondary and sub plots or combat stuff should be the first things to disappear. Just about all the spider man films out there do a great job on focusing on the character and his internal struggles. Most of it applies personally to his life and how he has to do the right thing even if it's hard and there are consequences and burdens placed solely on him because no one else can bear them. Those are great movies regardless of CGI or anything else.
The only problem is, is that the original captain marvel film should have flopped as hard as this film did. The only reason it didn’t, is because they just had to release it between two of the biggest films of all time, giving the false impression that you had to watch that to understand Endgame, which was completely false.
I really wish that instead of Captain Marvel, they'd done a Black Widow movie instead. Save captain Marvel for phase 4 and let the fans have a movie about a character we all love and wanted to see more of.
@@silver9wolf6 Doing a Black Widow solo movie AFTER her death was a stupid move.
I've been saying this for years & it's clearly true from how the MCU treated Captain marvel/Brie Larson after the first film made 1billion. They knew it was circumstantial & had no choice.
Not a fan, but I watched the first one, it was okay. Not great, but okay.
@@guilhermehank4938the way they treated scarlett johansson was really fucking bad :/ they REALLY should have given a movie in phase 4 that in cinemas. Preferably instead of captain plank.
People aren’t tired of superheroes. They’re just tired of Disney’s terrible decision making.
(Edit: I guess I should specify what I meant in my original comment. Imo I don’t believe people (at least not entirely) are tired of the premise of superheroes in the sense of being true to their character or their beliefs. I believe people are tired of corporations like Disney weaponizing and retconning the essence of who and what the characters are for things like company politics or current year ideologies. I’m not a fan of what’s being done to characters I grew up with and shows I used to enjoy being used as tools for things I don’t agree with by places like Disney for profit.
I’m sure many can relate but if taking a break from the superhero genre or just being done with it all in general is what you’ve decided to do then I respect that. I do have hope for indie creations since I’ve seen a few and were delighted at what’s been made so far.)
You forgot about the man hating.
And "ThE mEsSaGe!"
@@ArionNoble didn’t need to. We all know that’s their default over there
Hmmm... Both.
@@espman01 yep
Awesome video. I’m so glad and so sad I only found your channel recently (because of the Godzilla Minus One review). There’re a lot of catch up I need to do now.
I love the idea of having the Camilla Khan developing a complex in relation to her hero worship of Captain Marvel and how that would teach her to not blindly look up to others but instead trust herself.
Trust Critical Drinker to suggest a plot point that would've significantly improve the film and a plot that would actually facilitate some nuance and depth. It's honestly laughable how inept everyone who was involved in the writing of the film truly are.
A wise man once said:
"It’s not about money, it’s about sending a message".
“Everything burns”
Money
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT “MONEY”
So it doesn't matter whether the movie flops and loses hundreds of millions of dollars...as long as it sends *the message* it's all good?
I know where that quote is from and who the "wise man" you're referring to is, but that line could easily be attributed to some Disney/Marvel exec when answering why they think their latest movie bombed 😂
cyberpunk 2077@@nicholasmurray7505
Monica Rambeau's origin in the comics was weirdly dignified. She was an FBI agent from a strong two-parent black family who was inspired by her firefighter dad to go into public service. She got her superpowers while investigating criminal smuggling that happened to dovetail with an investigation Spider-Man was conducting (while he also lusted after her). But now she's a torture-apologist from a single-mother household who got her powers accidentally while fighting to save a torturer...
Her original story sounds interesting! She sounds interesting (and very normal) as the original character too.
It's all by design to remove any references to the concept of a nuclear family. To say that isn't a ideological or political agenda would be an understatement.
@@comyxcon4gaming860 sure - that's why Kamala Kahn is from a ... waitaminute ... oh yes, a traditional nuclear family
Wh- Wh- What???!
@@hjones4922 I was talking about Monica Rambeau.
The biggest shock for me was that the Drinker actually had a few compliments for the movie.
The "just-consume-product-and-get-excited-for-next-product" meme is profoundly ironic when said by a guy surrounded by said products.
I wish people knew what "irony" meant.
Drinker saying “Monica RambEEAAUUGGHH” is more funnier than any joke the MCU can conjure up.
Made me laugh. 😅
Sums up my feelings with Disney Marvel in general. Its the MC-Ugghhhhhhhhhhh~ *vomits*
The MCU comedy ' is even paired as a five year old cartoon .
And i still can't believe people was finding Iron Man ' funny ' ; he was so damn cringe ☠️
Came to the comments for this 😆
😂 "they'll never know what you've sacrificed"
This was Feige's dream project, a female superhero team. He finally got his wish.
that really doesn't seem to be the issue with the movie
The concept of having an all-girl team is fine, just poorly executed
@@hjones4922 Actually it is. Grrlll power is more important than good product.
@@christophertaylor9100 Nope. Social engineering makes for bad movies.
Well sure, @@NeighborTom if that's your goal. But if you just go "I wanna make an all-girl team" that's fine and can work.
Any time a director, and/or producer, knows nothing about VFX it is that much harder to do our jobs. Glad I didn't have to work on this. Half our industry maybe even more support this stuff, or at least pretend to. It really needs to be discussed more openly.
"Go woke go broke" has never hit a studio with such violence before. Even i feel bad for Didney, they derped this easy money grab so hard, it killed all future MCU movies. Stan lee is rolling in his grave how his former IP got so mangled it even became unrecognisable to MCU fans. And that is the best complement i have to give. Refusing to accept that movie is based on the MCU.
"This really is how the MCU dies, not with a bang but with a whimper."
- Critical Drinker 2023
Apocalypse Now.
That's for sure. But we can always look at Endgame as the true end of the MCU.
Corporates will never understand why humans love real art made by real artists.
They just won't ever get it.
I'm also sure that artists will never understand the nervousness of the money counters and why they get nervous about a $200+m investment risk on an untried concept by what appears to be, very green artists.
@sigmacademy
I’m an artist, I’m also not an idiot… we are all forced to interact with money, like it or not. I’ve still payed taxes, owned businesses, taken out loans, made investments I’d hoped will pay off, owned houses, etc etc etc. You can’t avoid money.
People who ONLY care about money, will never understand art. Their brain isn’t built that way, and art isn’t something people are forced to engage with to survive. This is why these people call it “product”, they have no concept of or respect for art. It’s a means to money, or it’s a waste of time.
These movies are commercials for toys and theme park rides. They don't deserve to be art. The fact that any of them were good at all is a miracle
Great observation and so true!
The problem with these movies is that theyre purely flavour with absolutely no substance.
Like, what actually is Captain Marvel? What is her powers? The earlier MCU heroes were all fairly simple concepts - a man who turns into a green monster when angry, a rich person with a metal suit, a guy with a lightning hammer etc etc. Is there anything consistent at all about CM's powers and, crucially, limitations? For Iron Man his limitation is that if his suit malfunctions or is unavailable he is just an ordinary person. For hulk its that he can turn back human at any moment. For Thor its that without his hammer he has limited abilities etc.
To be honest, I think this is a problem that starts before Captain Marvel. As much as I love Doctor Strange its fair to say his character and powers is a bit more abstract, in his movies its not a problem because they do a decent job of exploring this and the doctor turned Buddhist Monk is a cool change. But they forgot how to add that depth and complexity.
Personally I felt like I could see the exact points they were going to have a "The Message" moment, but they edited it out lol. It speaks that upper leadership really has given the cease and desist with virtue signaling in the movies, but they didn't START with that goal in mind so instead we have a hollow movie that is clearly incomplete. So we're basically waiting 1 more year before we actually see a movie coming out that wasn't designed around the virtue signaling, but I don't think it matters tbh. Most outlets and important people in Hollywood are basically just calling the box office failures "Superhero fatigue", conveniently ignoring that it's applying to almost every Disney product with few exceptions. So the reality is that Disney is just gonna shelve Marvel, having learned no lessons other than "people don't like superhero movies anymore".
Publicly, perhaps, but as you stated, they do seem to see the writing on the wall in private. Now it's going to be a fight between all the woke slacktivists they've hired over the years, and the money-men tired of seeing red.
You know it's finally over when someone doesn't even bother to hate you.
It's great that Samuel L Jackson has managed to get that "Snakes on a Plane" sequel off the ground with the alien cats story line
Cats on a spaceship lmao 😂
That comment got me! Lol
@@shaylelarue787I would totally and unironically watch that.
Seriously Marvels on a Plane could have been a better choice for a movie.
I can already imagine Fury yelling "I've had it with those motherflerken Marvels on this space station"
You mean Mace Windu
As expected, every article about this movie has been saying the same thing. "It’s obvious that audiences have superhero fatigue". Quite hilarious. No, we've just lost interest since they went woke. It has everything to do with the horrendous "storytelling" of these abominations. And the collapse is glorious.
Well, not just woke; also incompetence. I know they are tightly linked, but this wasn't woke--just bad. The thing Disney has to realize is that if you take away the crying about race and gender and sexuality from these writers, they have literally nothing else to write about besides "space wizard goes zap." Every so often, the woke crowd actually does make something good, like Baldur's Gate 3, but they usually can't get over their hang-ups enough to do that (or lack the talent to EVER do it).
In fine form Sir.
I kinda miss some of the old "Drinker" chacter humor but I'm sure you got a bit weary of it after awhile? There's only so much you can do, right?
Nonetheless, you remain one of my absolute favorite, most respected, honest, intelligent and witty CZcamsrs! I rely heavily on and trust your reviews, comments & insights!!!
Keep it going!
P.S. I'm also becoming quite a fan of your excellently entertaing novels.
As a former comic book reader I just have to get this off my chest:
The trio disney gave us:
Cap. Marvel, Monica, Ms. Marvel
The trio real Marvel fans want:
Ghost Rider, Punisher, Wolverine.
Fellow comic book readers will get this.
Well, considering the trajectory of the MCU, anyone can reasonably predict that Wolverine will NOT be in the MCU, at least not this Phase. X-23 would probably be in it, and the entire X-men team will possibly be gender-swapped all the way (just out of pure spite). The one thing that any sane person have learned by now, is that whatever you want to see... you will NOT get ANY of it. :/
The Punisher is a vigilante who shoots people… you can kinda see why that character might be a little problematic these days
@@sigmacademyGender swap the X-Men, you say? So, Jean Grey will be John Grey, Rogue will be Bloke, and Storm will be Norm? 🤔
@@gregbors8364he wasn't kidding about non comic readers and all either damn. look up heart of darkness, sport.
problematic? compared to the usual homogenous narrative impotence these days? at least ultra violence requires the imagination to create something as outlandish as that.
@@cannibaletiquette5038 I’ve read Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness.” What about it?
And yes, the Punisher character would be very problematic (or “controversial” if you prefer) to portray in a mega-blockbuster-type movie these days, unless you gave him the kid-friendly “Robocop 3” treatment, but you’re always free to produce an indie “ultraviolent” Punisher movie yourself, if you can somehow get the rights from Marvel - which would be, of course, very problematic
The drinker explaining the utterly convoluted plot is gold… and exposes just how utterly hopeless these current writers are
The wonderful thing about current writers is that they all eventually stop being current. That is why Kevin Feige today wants to hire better, less hopeless writers to restart Daredevil: Born Again and Blade who have a respectful vision for the characters. That is not really what I expect him to do, but I also can not imagine any better reason to start over when he knew we would hate the version of those scripts that were already written. There is no use in making the same mistake twice by hiring more untalented, virtue-signaling writers for the second drafts of Daredevil and Blade! November 11, 2023, 7:11am
I thought it was utterly half-clever, like a medium-smart running gag.@awhellnah__
It wasn't convoluted at all.
@awhellnah__ This comment is utterly stupid.
@@josephbush1412 The drinker makes a whole video explaining why it is. All you can do is say it wasn't convoluted. Can you explain why it isn't?
I can’t with the “Monica Ram!BEUGH!” 😂
I ran a field test to see if my hypothesis was factual, meaning I let my girlfriend pick the movie on date night and she didn't' pick "the marvels" so I ask her don't you want to see the marvels and she replied no way. This new diverse female superhero movies are for niche, the ones that don't have any money and love to blame their broke status on the patriarchy. way to go Disney, you really know your target audience.
Know their target audience? Guess what, Marvel was always been woke ever since 1940s Lol
Did you even bother to ask why she didn't want to watch it or did you just concluded it'd be the same as your reasons? My girl is the opposite, she's the one who asked me if I wanted to see it since she knows I like superhero movies. We watched it and I found the movie surprisingly decent, despite the fact I came in with very low expectations. And I didn't feel any agenda being pushed at all. If you're conplaining that it's because the leads and antagonist are all females, then I'm sorry to inforn you but maybe you are just a misogynist. Previous mcu films had all male leads and antagonist, what makes this any different? Maybe try looking past the gender and be more open when watching it?
Of all the unforgivable things they have done in this franchise, what they have done to Nick Fury is one of the worse things that happened in cinema franchise history
Still not as bad as Jake Skywalker
Fury never really did anything in these movies, if you think about it.
Look how they massacred my boy
Dont forget the hulk, thats the worst of them all
maybe that is a way to bring in Earth 616 nick fury instead, david hasselhoff
I live in Hungary.
Even when a Marvel movie was bad in the past, on premier day the theater was full, and you could hardly get a ticket for the first two weeks of screenings.
This time the theater where the Marvels was opening was almost empty. There were about 10 people, including me and my friend. And those 10 people were not satisfied by the end…
What about this movie made you want to buy a ticket in the first place? Even the trailer looked awful...
@@gooble69 Obligation.
You brought money to Bob Iger. Shame on you.
@@BiriBiri925My friend bought it actually, I'll forward it to him! 😂
@@Mattenke I visited Budapest in '19. What a great place & people. Stay real!
The fact that their blaming superhero fatigue when invincible season 2 was very well acclaimed and had lots of viewers is funny
When a movie review is way better than the movie..
It's the same thing with Lucasfilm and the Star Wars franchise. As long as the fans were angry there was hope that it could be revived and turned into something great once again. But because the producers responded to the fans' anger with more of the same animosity, the fans just gave up on carng altogether. As long as there is some emotion it means someone cares, but when emotion is replaced with indifference, then all hope is lost.
i liked and replied because i agree with you he should do a video on this even tho he already has made videos on star wars series
Disney is buying up everything and then ruining everything. It's wonderful, they are truly magical.
I think the apathy from the audience is the best thing that could happen to both franchises. Once they become losers in terms of both money and attention the studio will put them in the vault for a few years, which will create an opportunity for a real fan in the future to revive them without all the baggage from today's political fights.
Oh please the so called star wars fans will suckle anything star wars related the franchise will be fine.
Drinker could rip the film more, but even he is indifferent to it. He didn't bring up the Valkyrie cameo.
MCU: *suffers flop after flop*
Everyone: "Yes, very sad. Anyway."
I'd rather go with Clarckson's original : "Oh no ! ...anyway"
“Monica Ramboooo”, Hahaha, nice one, would it have been so hard for them to call her Photon like in the comics.😂
Damn. Well fuckin' written. That really makes me feel sadness for Marvel Studios. Alongside the current troubles with Majors, it is hard for me to see how the franchise is going to survive.
"How does a civil war on the Kree homeworld damage the sun?" Simple. The original script probably had Carol's direct actions fighting the Supreme Intelligence ending up fucking up the entire planet and its sun, but that made her look too much like the genocidal, bloodthristy wrathful demoness that she actually is. So changes were made to the script that instead made her simply an amoral sociopath who inadvertently caused a civil war so the Kree would be partly responsible for fucking up the homeworld instead of a direct result of Carol's actions. It appears that there are limits to the amorality of writers at Marvel studios, or at least they didn't want their star heroine to come up looking worse than Thanos.
Or they wanted the hardline, zealot Kree heretics to take an all or nothing approach. To destroy the world intentionally rather than let the opposition live happily. Sounds like the Kree to me.
This is what happens when you have atheists writing everything and you kick out all the religious folks who actually understand concepts like sacrifice and morality
What an incredibly ignorant and unintelligent sentence.@@FJB2020LGB
@@FJB2020LGBif that's what you think atheists are like I'm terrified of what most religious people would be like if they didn't think someone was always looking over their shoulder
@@nommchompskyhe didn’t mean atheists. He meant people who are actually fanatically against Christianity. Not even all religions, just Christianity. But whatever.
You said it perfectly when you said that people are no longer angry, they just don't care. That's because the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. And that's how all of us fans are now. We've just become indifferent. So long MCU. Ive always got phases 1 and 2 to rewatch whenever i want
I agree with your point. But I’ve always hated that saying that the opposite of love is indifference. It’s just not true. If love is a net positive then hate is a net negative and indifference is neutral or zero. Hate IS the opposite of love.
@@facelessandnameless In the movie business though, hate produces attention which produces fan wars which produces more interest in people on the sidelines to pay to see what the fuss is about. Apathy produces no attention, no coverage, no conversation, no audience, no money.
That’s the very worst thing you can do to an entertainment company like Disney. They can spin anger all day long, but the one thing they will never be able to spin is apathy.
That's where the tactic of deliberately pissing off fans to get free media coverage and the occasional hate watch always gets you. It's the equivalent to lighting your house on fire to spite the electric company so you don't have to pay for heat and light. Yeah, it'll work... but only for a while and then you're worse off than you ever were.
@@facelessandnameless "Hate and love are just two different words for passion." -Evelyn, League of Legends
IMHO it's like a T. Love and Hate are opposite forces yet require energy and caring for either to occur. Lack that energy and the opposite of both is indifference.
3:46 The biggest Challenge the MarvelZ had in this movie, was Women having to work together.
We all know how Challenging that can be 🤣🤣🤣
It’s a bad sign when people are telling me don’t even waste my Internet to stream it illegally. Never mind paying for it.
One thing I love about individual reviewers on CZcams is they don’t say “this is what fans didn’t like about the movie”, they say “here is what is wrong about the movie”. They don’t walk on eggshells to avoid pissing off companies like so many news and reviewing brands
Yeah 😊
Movie wasn’t bad at all. The hate is unwarranted and uncalled for for. My kids Loved It , my wife loved it , and I liked it , that’s all that matters to me
Haters gonna hate.
@@CharlesWatson13yeah the movie really is good... These gatekeepers just gonna gatekeep for the sake of hating Disney
@@CharlesWatson13😂😂😂
@Anoneemus_Noenayme it's not always about knowing how good movie should be in order to enjoy one.
yall are just wanna be movie experts for the sake of hating.
just because people enjoy movies doesn't mean they Don't know nothing about how a good movie should be.
In 2008 we had Iron Man. A well known but not exactly top tier hero of what was definitely the lesser in quality of the two leading comic book brands. Played by a controversy covered Robert Downey Junior, this movie probably wasn’t going to do the much for comic book adaptations. Look across the road and you have Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy, one of the most masterful adaptations from page to screen of any fictional character, rivaling the intent and respect of Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings Trilogy. And then the movie came out. Revolutionary CGI, a fantastic plot, down to earth characters and set pieces, and one of the best mixes of love-ability, comedy, and flaws in a lead character cinema had seen to date, perfectly portrayed by Downey Junior. It was a success, showing that even goofier characters than Batman could have a solid on screen portrayal. Fifteen years later, the same universe containing the original Iron Man has churned out nearly (or maybe even more, I lost count) thirty movies and half a dozen eight episode shows, with timelines, characters, plot threads, and stories that are incredibly messy and ultimately end up no where, while some how the visuals have gotten worse, the messages have been bought and paid for by modern virtue signaling, and the performances are truly deplorable. Hollywood has died, and there is no better picture of it than the said, decrepit state of the MCU, once just one amazing movie, now a painting where the Artist applied one stroke too many, and decided that he should keep going anyways
Well, I will let this be a lesson to me: Never let modern virtue signalers pay for your films in the short run, when there are not enough of them to make your movies financially successful in the long run. The only saving graces that Marvel has in 2023 are Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 and Season 2 of Loki. I do not think they will "save" Marvel by any means, but for now they can keep fan interest in the present and the future of the Marvel Universe on life support while Kevin Feige looks for better writers to hire for Daredevil and Blade who will be faithful to the source material, and to the earlier series and movie they already made, and while we wait for the 2023 actors strike to end so production on Deadpool 3 can resume at last. November 11, 2023, 7:16am
Dark Knight was overrated as hell. Wake the hell up. That movie trilogy is mass delusion all thanks to Heath’s surprising death combined with his surprising strong performance which stole the show being the only redeeming quality in the movie. Never underestimate how these things delude people into giving things far more credit than they deserve. Batman Begins was good but the rest were MEH.
Rivaling LOTR? Are you high?
Hot damn guys I was making a point about the original Iron Man, the reference to the dark knight was just showing how the first iron man had a lot of competition to beat. And guess what? I liked the Dark Knight. And I’m not alone in that. so please don’t call me delusional for sharing an opinion that millions agree with. Is the opinion true because I hold it? Of course not! But don’t attack me because I liked what I think to be a really good movie (with flaws, don’t get me wrong, but amazing nonetheless). Gosh this is why I don’t comment any more
PS : rivals LOTR was a point about the skill of the adaptation- as in how respectfully it was taken from the page to the screen. I would wager that the dark knight and the LOTR trilogy are the best fictional adaptations ever, (if you disagree don’t call me a psychopath or some shit), not the actual quality of the films themselves. Dark Knight is good but definitely not as good as LOTR in an overall standpoint
@@user-qe7bt9dz1l Just a heads-up: People are going to take your claims more seriously if you actually support them with evidence and explanation instead of just stating them as if they're irrefutably true.
The problem with Ms Marvel is how OP she is and how she got her powers, she was doomed from the start, did not have to make any sacrifices, she is basically unbeatable that makes her boring.
They should have tried to fix that in this movie
Just make it so she's starting to lose her powers with time, and has to rush to save the day before she's back to being a simple mortal. But nah, can't have that.
Can't thank you enough for these videos. You have saved me countless hours of my life by not having to watch these movies anymore. 😂
The only thing you missed what just how screwed up CM power level is. She literally flew into a sun to reignite it. Someone that powerful should be able to take down generic evil space lady without any issues.
Stupid screenwriters can't write smart characters.
That seems to be the underlying problem for all these films.
@@Grubnar Truth!
he did talk about that
Thor and Hulk despite being powerful were not able to take down the Chitauri Army in Avengers 1. But that movie was so enjoyable that we ignored such questions.
Canon-wise she IS that powerful.
Remember when everyone lost their minds over the IW and Endgame trailers? Remember when people cheered out loud when Cap lifted Mjlonir? Remember when people watched videos of crowd reactions to that scene? And the feeling of happiness, satisfaction, and excitement over Endgame even months after seeing it?
Well now the MCU is just a vehicle to shart out progressive propaganda and endless content to generate monthly streaming revenue.
And its not even doing that right.
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No. No Marvel movie was a masterpiece.
You can thank Disney and their Turdas touch for that
Name 1 good thing that came out of those things people lost their minds over...
Maybe consider that it was always trite.
1:43 exactly, I totally forgot that Ms Marvel existed in the MSheU.
Ram-boo gets me every time 😭😭😭
This honestly saddens me. I remember me and pops being so happy and stoked watching iron man in 2008. His childhood dreams were pretty much a reality he saw a believable iron man and got to share it wit me at 16 years old. I loved this franchise honestly. Haven't cared for years now.
I am 60 something and Iron Man was always one of my favorite comic heroes. No supernatural powers, no radiation, no alien rings (or other alien items), no gods (or demi-gods), and no spider bites....just a normal man (with personal problems) that used intelligence to become a hero. When I heard there was going to be an Iron Man movie, I wanted to jump for joy...then I started thinking about Shaq and the Steel movie and panicked. Was overjoyed after seeing the movie.
Same! It was Thor Ragnorok for me, the way he spun his hammer against Surtur. Was waiting years for that. Too bad they never did the real Wolverine, except partially in Logan.
Perfectly how I feel and I was reading Iron Man back when he was Howard Hughes personified.
Lmfao
Same here me and my dad got to bond over so many good movies growing up they'll always be close to me
The massive social engineering project that Marvel has undertaken... and the subsequent gaslighting that occurs every time they are called out for it... has absolutely warranted all of the disdain, general trash talking, and relentless slander from the fanbase.
That said... I still appreciate you pointing out the positives that you found along the way... like the little girl genuinely enjoying her shot at being in a superhero movie. It's important not to become the thing that we despise ;-)
Couldn’t agree more. Not that I’ll ever see this movie or anything Disney for quite awhile. I respect a review that doesn’t just bash to bash and does try to give props where props are due. I find Larson insufferable but it’s nice hear she actually tried to be a human being for once and not an arrogant California socialite
Wait, are you suggesting that people might not appreciate it when something they like is replaced with a cheap knock-off and they're told that not liking the knock-off makes them a bigot?
@@DVX_BELLORVM even original characters are pushed to be "the next x"
I remember how they insisted Kamala Khan would be the next Spider-Man.
Pathetic.
Im sure they will blame LOKI for these. I wish LOKI didnt do what he did Yesterday
This turd is still better than #SheHulk what was the worst brain-diarrhea by far!
A girl power train wreck we all knew it was gonna flop. Great video Drinker!
It’s crazy cus Captain marvel’s character is just so obviously written poorly. It seems like it’s the thing a lot of pop culture stuff falls victim to. Becoming a business more than a goal or a vision. Started with actual love but has devolved into nothing but a money maker. You see it time and time again, call of duty, movies of all kinds, restaurants going from a local diner to a worldwide business. So many things souls seem to devolve as they become a business. Even we as humans can serve as an example as we have gained our humanity but the more we become driven by individual success, the more we lose the humanity that makes us so special.
What I find funny is that the villain pretty much got away with everything.
They didn't give the air that they stole back, or the water, and Captain Marvel reignited their sun. The Kree got to keep everything they took, which makes the movie feel really pointless and Captain Marvel look worse. I mean, it certainly made the scene on the water planet pointless because they just got to keep the water in the end, and apparently it wasn't that big a deal in the first place. Plus, the Skrulls on their home planet were apparently nice and willing to take in new Skrulls the whole time, so Secret Invasion is pretty pointless, that's without even getting to Valkyrie taking the Skrulls away to another place and it suddenly not mattering that the Kree stole their oxygen.
Also, why is Kamala Khan moving in with Captain Marvel in the end? That just seems dumb since the house was damaged but not destroyed. It's also pretty dumb how the nameless NPCs were told to get off the ship as quickly as possible by being eaten by the cats, but Kamala's family and Nick Fury don't need to and don't seem in a rush to leave (plus, they didn't even need to leave in the first place).
I think that this is easily the worst MCU movie and possibly the worst superhero movie of all time because it just doesn't make sense. I'd go as far as to say that Spider-Man: Lotus is better written than this movie.
That's not true. They closed all the portals she broke open. You clearly didn't pay attention at all. You just want to hate for the sake of hate and its honestly pathetic and disgusting.
I dunno, there’s a lot of contenders for most nonsensical. Multiverse of Madness was absolute, total and complete nonsense start to finish, Quantumania was chronically confused and devoid of any consistent internal logic or continuity; even Infinity War had its share of bad logic, nonexistent logic, and character butchering.
The weird part is that, I kind of didn’t care that she won since I didn’t feel any intensity that was happening throughout the movie. Unlike other comic book movies, like The Dark Knight or Infinity War, were you felt the tension and fear if the villains got what they wanted.
@@fly1ngG0PHER Atleast MoM had some cool artistic shots, but that's all.
I agree. There are surprisingly worse projects out there. I enjoyed the Ms.Marvel stuff. It was fun
I mean, literally everyone knew it was gonna be bad from its conception. Everyone thought it looked bad, the trailers were bad, the BTS news was bad, and yet it still managed to defy expectations in how awful it really is. Incredible
This is why it’s getting bad reviews, people go into the movie expecting it to be bad, so they assume it’s bad instead of having an open mind. This is the truth, don’t try to argue
thats so stupid i dont even know what to say@@deadpooldan9862
@@deadpooldan9862nigga you go in there with an "open mind" and tell me you like the movie
@@deadpooldan9862 Its getting bad reviews because its awful. # dumpy women with cgi powers fighting another girl yawn. The whole girls are the same as men is absurd
that's always been my question.. how come we as movie fans.. can just hear the concept of a movie and go.. well.. that's stupid.. but the powers that be think it's a great idea?? lol
Disney screwed up by making a Miss Marvel show before introducing her to the audience..through the big screen. They should have just made a Kamala Khan movie.
What sucks is loki season 2 is filled with decent writing but bloated to fill out runtime same with s1 I think honestly those last couple episodes are amazing and would be cool to see loki with tva go endgame sling ring scene with thor having a sad ending once loki has to go back after getting his brother back but highly doubt mcu will do it
Scorcese 4 years ago saying “Marvel isn’t real cinema” has ages pretty well
I get the impression that Monica Rambeau was a leftover from a movie that was never made. They set her up in Wandavision as a possible Captain Marvel replacement but seemed to have changed their minds. So now they have to use her with two other characters that just couldn't hold a movie on their own.
This is what happens when confused freaks think way too much, they can't stick to their ground for long.
Not one thing that Marvel has put out comes within a mile of Superman 1978.
The punishment of boycotting will not be stopped by an absence of man-hating at the cost of anything close to a plot.
This movie is like:" I'm not angry anymore, just disappointed". Like the drinker says, we just don't care anymore
Hard to believe it's only been four years. Feels like 10.
Ten years would have been better.
You're right. COVID has a lot to do with it I guess.
@@Sunny-sc5vq That was like a whole decade locked in a single year
People wonder why anime is so popular.
I love anime sincerely because it doesn’t try to push politics or anything like that.
Instead, you get creative and imaginative stories, such as Jujutsu Kaisen, Frierin - Beyond Journeys end, Mushoku Tensei, Full Metal Alchemist - Brotherhood, One Piece, I could go on.
If you’re sick of being force fed bullshit by Kathleen Cartman, try giving some animated Japanese goodness a go, you might like it.
The audiences knew far before the first trailer that this movie was going to fail and what the excuses were going to be and who was going to get the blame. Those three factors alone will kill any anticipation for a movie and what's even more sad is that those behind Marvel know this without any shadow of a doubt. Marvel and Disney actually cultivated the apathy they are currently experiencing
Paramount/Nickelodeon experienced this thing of causing audience apathy on themselves even worse with a smaller brand that failed to take off from the start: Wonder Park - metaphorically and literally a directionless franchise. The director was fired for sexual harassment, and the movie was too late in production to hire another director, which is why the end credits have no director in them. The story is an underdeveloped mess, from the characters to the pacing, the tone is way too inconsistent when the serious story and the message about June's grief over possibly losing her mom does not go far enough or take itself seriously enough, and the poor execution of the film killed almost any interest there originally was in its follow-up series, Adventures in Wonder Park. It has produced a full season, but has not yet aired for the public to watch. November 10, 2023, 11:32pm
Facts
The movie might do a tiny bit better than you'd expect only because people are a bit starved for movies due to the strike ending not long ago.
My wife, for example, loves going to the cinema every couple months. So she doesn't care if it'll be bad because even if it is then she can at least talk with her friends about how bad it was. And as for me, I only really let myself eat junk food on very particular occasions, the cinema is one of them. So I might not enjoy the movie, but nachos, fries, corn dogs...I won't really care what's on the screen. So yeah, I'll go with her.
@AlbatrossRevenue that reply was pointless. What you said goes by the premise that no one has been going to the theaters for months now. SAW X came out recently and people went to the theaters to watch that even knowing it was a prequel/sequel type of movie. Key difference between SAW X and THE MARVELS: the audience knew without question SAW X wasn't going to have WOKE crap being shoved down their throat
She-Hulk team: "We purposely made a show to piss the fans off" - brilliant self-destructive strategy there Disney
I can’t believe Endgame was four years, and I can’t believe just how bad things got in the MCU in a short time. It’s a shame because I wanted to like phase four and phase five but I only liked no way home and gotg3, I didn’t find anything else particularly good.
I didnt even find gotg 3 good. Way too long a boring. In fact none of the 4 people i know who watched it liked it either
That was the only good couple that they could make
No Way Home is shit too. Far From Home is a lot better
I always thought the MCU movies were overrated. Always a disappointment when compared to The Watchmen or Sin City.
It's almost as if that if one "goes woke" then invariably, one "goes broke".
Honestly this movie wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be the best scene of the movie was the end credits scene it was X-cellent X-citing
I never watched any Marvel movie before so about 2 months ago i decided to binge watch all of the movies, and i can say that most of them were fantastic, even tho ive never been much of a superhero movie fan myself. Because i never went to any theatres to see marvel movies , its sad to see that these movies now lack the same energy as they used to.
I like the fact that you remain objective enough to see what the movie does right in the mess of bad ideas.
Is that an excuse to watch the movie anyway? 😂
@XiaoyuuuYT
I checked out of the MCU since Thor Love And Thunder
Ditto. Passed in the Eternals too and cancelled Disney + in the middle of Hawkeye. I wanted to give them $ they just made it too difficult.@@stryfetc1471
@@XiaoyuuuYT Of course that's what I meant. Now out there and watch the movie five times.
When I first heard the premise for this movie was that they swap when they use their powers, I was hoping they would swap BODIES. That would have actually been interesting and given the actresses a chance to show range by having to play all three characters
Unfortunately that would require effort from the writters,the director and the actresses
Also, them wearing each other's clothes would have been fun to watch (and given Marvel MULTIPLE merch opportunities), but then one would have to explain how the clothes swapping would work, EXACTLY.
Can't have a white actress pretend to be black
The 3 of them didn’t manage to produce 1 decent character between them, I can’t see any of them being able to act 3 different roles.
that idea's even worse than the movie. It would have been way too confusing to tell who's who.
The Nick Fury and Flerken kitties plot line sounds decent, even fun…for a series of shorts dropped on Disney+.
Unpopular opinion: Civil War was the pinnacle of the MCU and everything since then has been downhill.
I loved that the Marvels made a flashback to Thanos in the trailer. I know these events are influential in MCU but COME ON, Endgame ended almost 5 years ago now. Marvel seriously can't put their hopes on that phase anymore.
The only bit of excitement was not having any idea what the marvels was to see Thanos and the original crew only to wonder wtf happened to likable characters followed by disappointment to realize the movie looks like shit and there are no significant male characters besides the marvels
I strongly suspect that hour they cut from the film was all of that MESSAGE/AGENDA that is suspiciously absent. Disney/Marvel has been in full panic mode, and this reeks of damage control.
Little too late to course correct. People have been burned by Disney/Marvel WAY TOO MANY TIMES; first by increasing prices of its fledgling subscription service that wasn't anything special to begin with, second, by firing Gina Carano for completely UNJUSTIFIABLE reasons, and finally, of course, making woke, agenda-driven, identity politics-infested superhero movies when their past superhero movies did JUST FINE without that garbage being inserted into them EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Fuck 'em. They're getting EXACTLY what the fuck they DESERVE!!
Theres many problems with Captain Marvel. She was introduced way too late in to the franchise. How could we care as much about her as we could for literally any other character in the MCU up to that point. All other main characters had a full arc story, and she just appears and saves the day. She had god mode from day one, and barely struggled to learn and adapt to her new powers, she was hardly in Infinitey War and End Game and they explain it away with "theres other planets that need rescuing" well Earth was her planet and Thanos (the main threat to the entire universe) was on Earth. Everything they tried to execute with this character only ever felt like a retcon.
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How exactly captain marvel was supposed to become the new tony stark for MCU?? I want to know whose idea was this
The MCU was once the golden standard for entertainment. Sure not every movie was a home run, but there were more hits than misses; and even the misses were connected in the overall narrative. Now the current state of the MCU is wandering with no direction, a joke without a punchline. Great video drinker. 🎉
Golden standard in terms of success maybe, but never the golden standard in terms of quality. Their best movie to this date imho is still the original Iron Man.
I'm not so sure. Calling the MCU the gold standard of entertainment is a bit like calling Burger King the gold standard of cuisine. Sure, they are people pleasers, and everybody wants a bite every once in a while, but if you keep consuming it, eventually you'll get sick and tired of having the same old thing every day.
@@kaasmeester5903 That is also my go to reference when talking about MCU movies.
MCU was juvenile trash from the beginning.
lol no it wasn't. Money, yes, but definitely not for creativity, writing, plot, character development and set pieces.