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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2023
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Interesting discussion. I met a Jamaican in White Plains NY that told me American blacks are looked down on by Caribbean blacks as whiners.
He told me that basically many view American blacks almost like lottery winners that don't know they won.
It was a more nuanced perspective than you normally hear, but in the context of a conversation that needs to be had.
Half FBA and Caribbean here, My Caribbean Half siblings Hated me... Black Americans are envied for having the most developed Black Culture out of all Slave descendants... My perspective.
@@LloydsSky9 not developed. American blacks are devolving.
@@johnpaparella7345 America in General is experiencing what is known as Social Decay. Every Society experiences a death cycle, its natural for people to point down at the bottom class as well. Mind you, Black Americans aren't pushing immoral LGBTQ and Population Control Agendas, Globally. BUUUUUT, Black Americans are the only people in the US who are "Devolving" As you stated????
Didn’t Muhammad Ali say something like he was glad his ancestors were put on that ship (paraphrasing) after he visited Africa? I keep hearing America is the most racist country, yet, black and brown people keep coming here.
@@LloydsSky9 The most developed culture? What does that even mean?
Dude looks like the 3rd Hodge Twin.
Lmao perfect
He did a video with the twins not too long ago
😂
Fax lol
I thought it was one on the thumbnail 😂😂
Thomas Sowell really goes through American black culture with a fine tooth comb and breaks it down to how it developed into what it is today. Highly recommend any of his books
Homestead Act of 1862 and the G.I. Bill (Specifically for White Americans and Illegal European Immigrants). Statistically, this put Whites ahead Financially while the Black Population in America was excluded from the Economy all together... Thomas Sowell uses Social Science to deduce that Blacks are just messed up Culturally.... Whites own 86% of Americas Wealth while Blacks own 2.5% of the Nations Wealth.
Thomas Sowell.. is a disgrace to the black American.. what is important is Black American history 100% And reparations money for American descendants of slavery.. enough said.
@@jamesbrown9553 lmao. What a stupid response. No one owes you anything
His take is racist and anti black. Black southern culture had the most elements of Africa so if African culture is good and but black southern culture is bad?
@@thewordsmith5440 your opinion is misinformed
I grew up in Montreal around mostly Haitians (my family is Haitian) and some Africans and the culture is waaaay different. Part of it is because of the different language but growing up my parents were always very adamant that I don't follow black American culture because "it's not who we are". Dare I say it was almost looked down upon.
It amazes me that Haitians got the nerve to look down on us. 🤣
I’m in Montreal and grew up with a lot of Haitians and can confirm most had that mindset. Especially Haitian immigrant parents.
@@BronzeSista when their country is not only the worst in the western hemisphere but among the worst in the world. You cant make it up😂
@@BronzeSista You dont get it. Stop being emotional. In your head you are thinking all the strife and poverty the Western media shows about Haiti and how rich America is. It is beyond that. It is about self respect and values. I am an African and am disgusted to see a grown man with their underwear showing in public. You may say it is African American culture but the rest of the world sees that as people behaving like animals. You have the right to dress the way you want just as others have the right to judge you the way they want to. That is the reason well to do or educated immigrants tell their kids not to adopt hip hop culture not because they hate or dont like African Americans but they do not like the behavior or degeneracy.
So are you saying it’s black Americans committing all of that crime in Montreal…???
People conflate Black culture with poverty culture.
*Certain* poverty culture too, religious vs lib cap societies have different expressions.
Much of what we think is black culture was really taken from redneck culture from the findings of Thomas Sewell. Thats why education is looked down upon.
Exactly it’s really an ignorant perspective to think that the poverty culture that’s promoted in the media represents the lived experiences of millions of black Americans. I know you know , but these other folks need to not let the small but loud minority fool them.
Most Black folks are hard working family oriented people who focus on education and uplifting
@@lazerwolf001 💯🏆🇭🇹
Do that for white culture too because there are way more poor whites than there are black people in this country 🤡
My friend from Congo Brazzaville dated in American woman a black woman and when he visited her relatives they didn't like him at all they said he don't sound black because he was well spoken and knew several languages he sounded more British.
Pretty sad. The value systems are diametrically opposite and hence why most black immigrants just want to stay away.
It makes no sense, but being uneducated is somehow praised in African American sub-culture. And that subculture in the last 2 decades permeated through African American culture itself. The result is what we see today.
@@user-sj5ju4jb7t Yeah is not a surprise that black people from other countries see black USA citizens as people with privilege who choose throw away opportunities.
The real Americans are the brown people of Mexico, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc.
What you're saying is true. Just look at how they treat someone like Justice Clarence Thomas and he's not even African. I thought that was the perfect example of someone who overcame so much adversity to get to where he is today but they call him a coon and a traitor just because he leans conservative. That should tell you all you need to know about the mindset of the average black American. When they see us Nigerians, Ghanaians and other Africans doing well and not behaving like them, they try to say that we have the "house negro" mindset and that we are still slaves doing the "white man's" biddings 🤷🏿♂️
I rent apartments and houses in the border in Mexico and alot of black people have rented through the years and to me the diference is that Africans are more friendly and smile alot more
But african americans feel attacked alot, and its a pain to deal with them ..
Seems like a very scientific way to approach the differences between Africans and Black Americans. Not
I live overseas and an american. The difference between Africans all over the world and black americans is stunning. Africans are driven and are much more happy.
@@ashleyn8946 where do you live?
The thing with some Africans is that because of the immigrant mentality they want to go with the flow more so they won’t get sent back. African Americans on the other will be more vocal because this is our home.
As an African we are not necessarily happier. We just know we can't afford to sink into victims minority because the excuse of being held back by racism is not acceptable to us or those depending on us. We accept that racism exists and amongst ourselves use humour to deal with it.
As someone of East African descent, I was always told to look at it as propaganda. Obviously they were going to be people that struggle. I never looked at gangsta rap as the pinnacle of black American culture. There are plenty of other musical contributions! There are amazing people who have accomplished so much even in times of great barriers. I would not enjoy these privileges without the sacrifices of those people. So how can I live in North America and look down on them? It’s insane to me that people don’t understand this.
Shut up you’re not African
Exactly.
You a real one
Our Ancestors are hugging right now
exactly no african looks down on them any less than they'd look down on each other or anyone else. i dont know where this shyt is coming from. They're always walking around with a chip on their shoulder thinking everyone looks down on them
We need more people like Zuby.
A conversation that needs discussing, but hardly anyone wants to do it.
Love this, @Zuby!
You and both of these host are disrespectful fleeing green card bandits
I absolutely agree
It’s never race it’s always culture
Nah it’s race
Black people are not the most disrespected everywhere because culture it’s because race
@@joshbonds0073 then why do Africans hate black Americans more than they hate white people if it's not culture
@@joshbonds0073no culture
@@joshbonds0073I'm old, black and southern. The racist aren't in the south. They're up north and on the coasts.
I'm old enough to remember how in the late 70s/early 1980s, mainstream (White people) media and American pop culture HATED rap music and Hip Hop culture!! Radio stations in NYC like Z-100 and Power 95 would advertise about being 100% Rap free! In the early 80s MTV refused to play Black music in general, and definitely wouldn't play rap music. If you wanted to hear hip hop it was underground, in the fringes, after hours, bootleg tapes. Major music stores in the shopping mall didn't sell it. And you know what, I really really MISS that era, because the art form was at its peak! Every artists was original, fresh, exciting and Positive!! The WORST thing that happened to Hip Hop was mainstream acceptance.
Yup, the big music labels signed Gangster Rap (promotion of degeneracy, crime, anti-social behaviour, bling, etc) which then totally eclipsed hiphop of social political commentary.
Similar thing happened in Jamaica to reggae (under American influence).
I consider it a geopolitical tool to destabilise countries.
DJ Red Alert.
@@OrwellsHousecat Exactly!! I'm shocked that this isn't discussed more!! I never liked Dancehall and Shabba Ranks etc., and always wondered what happened to the sound of late 70s positive rebellious soulful Reggae. The exact same thing, at the exact same time.
@@juniorjames7076 yup, I think it was cold War culture manipulation by cia. Does thst sound far-fetched? Not so much if you look at the receipts the (Frances Stonor Saunders, The Cultural Cold War: The CIA ). Whilst she concentrated on USA & Europe, I dare say that it filtered all the way through the anglophone countries too.
She said there was tons of cia money & manipulation in culture - just like we see today with DIE media propping up one flop & re-write after another.
Also during that cold War both Russia and uncle Sam were tugowar over the islands next to Cuba, particularly Jamaica. Rumour has it that both were gun-running which fuelled the criminal/rebel gun-totting gangster lifestyle and subsequently the music too. Through the 90s there was "conscious lyrics vs slackness/gun-lyrics" dialectic (I liked both, I was a teen).
Uhm, they were banning black artist that weren’t rap artist. They didn’t want black people period regardless of music. See Michael Jackson, Whitney, Prince, Tina Turner
Everybody competes with the lowly so-called African Americans.....while at the same time emulate their culture and swag
Isn't that interesting obsessed with African Americans
@@JaneCurtright-zs1lr open your eyes
Caribbean and Africans born in or out of America are not Black American. One of the biggest differences between Black American culture and other cultures is that our culture is not only one of the most imitated but also we have to deal with a bunch of people who try to act like they know more about it than an actual Black American. They also seem to think bringing up a music genre somehow dictate what our culture is.
African Americans were literally imported from Africa you m0r0n. “Black American culture” is not a thing unless they have a distinct religion, language, food, clothing etc
@@tecumseh4095 First off we prefer Black American not "African American" because we're not from Africa and most people in America don't say "European American. Black Americans were not imported from Africa but our African ANCESTORS were imported from West and Central African countries around the 1500/1600's BEFORE America was even created in 1776 and we have a different culture and identity than those ancestors because of evolution. Stupid cowards like you have agenda to claim Black Americans don't have a culture or independent ethnicity so y'all change the definition of what a culture or ethnicity is to fit your agenda lol. If you're not gonna respond telling me what is your ethnicity for you to be credible enough to speak on Black American culture and history over an actual Black American who clearly knows more than you then don't expect me to read or respond to your stupid keyboard warrior comments.
@@yodad723 Negro means black in Spanish. is Negro American ok, too?
@@yodad723 Negros were literally imported chattel.
Import. verb
/ɪmˈpɔːt/
bring (goods or services) into a country from abroad for sale.
@@yodad723 I am a Shawnee and Shawnee citizen living on Shawnee tribal ancestral land in Miami, Oklahoma.
I am a Black American. My wife is Jamaican. None of her family want to return to Jamaica. When I asked why I was told Crime, too many haters, out of wedlock birth rates, corruption etc. If Caribbean culture is superior why are you here? Why are your countries so upside down. Why don't you return and fix your Country. Black Americans wish they had a country of their own. Literally tropical paradises. The way they have talked about me and black americans in general I could easily flip around on them if I traveled to their country.
There are many black countries in Africa that would welcome you.
Your statement highlights the problem with generalizations. You’re causing more damage than good. Perhaps you should listen again to the podcast at 3:10 in to enlighten yourself.
So your wife and her family speaks for all Jamaicans? Crime, out of wedlock birth rates is abundant here, too
I just know your lying about your wife being jamaican, your just clearly butthurt about the video crime happens everywhere but black Americans are the least successful ethnicity in the US that you were brought to yet still make up most of the crime such as chicago being compared to iraq because of black American men and thier obsession with crime, you also come from a country that has the highest amount of serial killers. Their is not a single caribbean country that tops that plus many black Americans fantasize about caribbean countries apart from haiti and move their or go their for vacation.
@@tecumseh4095 my point is the way Elliott and many west indians speak led me to believe that their countries/islands would be beacons of freedom and structure. Low crime rates, happy marriages and functioning infrastructure. Then you visit there places and you're like what the hell.?!!! Where are the values??!!
This whole idea that to be a young black american guy you have to sag your pants and show your ass, listen to violent / thug rap, etc.. its so destructive to one’s mindset.
But 80 percent are like that.
@@MrSivram28 i agree. But that is what holds back young black men… not any idea of white supremacy or some bs
@@kevincosgrove948 oh no that absolutely does and youd be stupid to deny it. Black fatherlessness skyrocketed when the government enacted drug war policies which mass incarcerated black men, who were also sentenced longer than their white counterparts. Not even mentioning all the other stuff before that which laid the foundation for the circumstances African americans are in now
@@MrSivram28 80% you met 80%?
@@Lilhunna509 it's blacks like you that Hold Us back from progressing. You refuse to acknowledge the problem. All you need to do is go out in public. Go to the mall, college campus etc.. and majority of black males have their pants hanging down their legs, dreads, tattoos all over their bodies. looking like drug dealers and gang members
Great conversation gents. Thanks for having it and sharing your thoughts...
Elliot was one of my first youtube gurus I followed, probably 10 years ago, off and on. Through all his changes, he's still a thorough dude that I look up to.
Same here, even though he aimed his talks at men🤷. Inspired me to start working out. He started seeming a little less down to earth a few years into it though, idk.
I had to look at the channel name. I'm still confused.
@@lilv3966 lol same here.
100%. 8 years ago, I had my "physical awakening". Starting as a round lard ball at a dirty outdoors gym. I managed 5 minutes on the cycle machine on a very low setting before getting off, driving home and stumbling face first into bed...
Then working myself up to starting every workout at the hardest difficulty for 20 minutes before moving on to serious lifting. In my ears during that 20 minute warmup, Elliot telling me that my struggle was with myself. My real enemy is and always will be, the man staring back at me from the mirror. My own weaknesses will be the only real enemy I can defeat and hopefully, will defeat, by the time I reach the end of my journey.
2 years later, I started competing in powerlifting.
Now, a few years have gone by and I'm slowing down due to age. I have accomplished things of meaning and his words still ring in my ears.
i remember elliot from LeafyIsHere. oh man that was so long ago now
This dude said Caribbean people take themselves more serious than Black Americans do?? They ran away from their lands, but take themselves more serious than we do?? This is why I am done with this "we're all Black" bullsh*t. Everyone comes to our nation.... and have no issue sh*tting on us.
Just show the example by staying away from the Carribean or Africa. Don't travel outside America and maybe other blacks will not come to your country but go to Europe, Asia and Latin America where the people are friendly.
I hear what you’re saying, but as a black American, I have to say that our people do not take themselves serious giving everybody our energy that don’t even respect us.we don’t even own our culture There’s no gatekeepers we’re just the entertainers that’s exactly why
all the outsiders trying to copy our culture it’s a easy come up
@@bookiedaleo1694 you aren't a Black American, be quiet?
@@bmoe3503 bruh I’m 100% black American
@@bmoe3503 and you are the reason they don’t take black Americans serious you’re trying to Tell me what my nationality is Instead of just asking how immature is that?
Living in the Dominican Republic as an American was a completely different racial experience compared to the US. Its about the underlying values, beliefs, and ways of relating rather than the surface level skin tone.
Like everywhere else in the world. Most people don't care about skin colour like some black Americans do.
@@glasscut4880 salsa babble
@@commonsenseisnowasuperpowe5275
Ah yes a bigot mammy
That’s because the Dominican people are mostly very dark
@@romans003 not all Dominicans Dominicans genetic make up is mostly 3 races (Amerindian, Black & European) some have more of one race more than others
Thank you guys. If you are a black person from a culture outside of the U.S., it seems that other groups will pretty much enforce the need for you to conduct your self as the style of being black they are comfortable with.
NOT WHITES BUT BLACKS DO THIS !! BE CAREFUL !!
American blacks act black, while other blacks just act normal.
In Nigeria, we don't even think of "black". That is an American obsession .... you know - by the very same people who tout "skin color doesn't make a difference. My husband is a Doctor, and not only are there *many* differences between races, those people who say there _aren't any differences_ - why do *you all* make such a big thing of skin color?? It's an _obsession_ by blacks!! Why don't _other_ groups of genes obsess?? Because it's not a big deal to them, and they work for a living - not expecting handouts or special treatment. Hey - what a *concept* !!!!!! Maybe blacks can learn from this??? Or did their computer crash "because they are black"??
@@santa_claus-north_pole Hello NIgeria, and this old white retired medical and teacher thinks the same! black folk in america have lost thier minds again! we do not associate Nigerians with american blacks, god forbid , but they hate you, black americans that is, as far as I am concerned , you are more than welcomed to the USA , and no you will not be treated with anything but respect as long as you give respect you will get it,so whoever said that is a stupid redneck black folk are red necks, see Dr. Thomas Sowell as he is the smartest man on history and economics in America and if needed he is black , find him on youtube and learn about African history and how black americans know nothing but lies and just stay away from the ghetto ones and you wll be fine , they are too busy killing each other , then we get more educated Africans to migrant, good ! and may the force be with you and yours !
big N style
Good to hear sensible discussion on social media.
We need more of this to heal the world.
Black Americans always at the top of discussion 😂
We lit 🔥
They have nothing interesting in their cultures that people really care about, so they discuss us.
And they get it so wrong.
Neither of them are Black American. Always interesting.
As a rapper that has a similar platform as Zuby, one that engages in philosophical debates and positive influence coach spheres, this is something I've struggled with always to grasp. Making rap that channels that powerful feeling people like from it but keeping the content uplifting but being consistent with that.
The music industry tell the musician what to sing or play. This industry sells black listeners a lie. The absolute most racist, hateful and filthy RAP and HipHop or sold to your culture and it is more indoctrination to criminal, entitiled and reprehensible behaviours. Your culture is like the addict that won’t throw the pipe away. Enjoy. I’m waiting for more riots. Please, burn some more shit down. Let’s get this party rolling. Time to get more people deleted. Get with the program bro!
IMO Jeru The Damaja - Ya playin yaself " was the record that shows it is possible.
Is it all beautiful, and enlightening? If that same music called for the rape of pocs and killing of the brothas, would it be tolerated? I think not. By enlarge, it is filth that indoctrinates your cultures youth as well as the easily influenced of every other western subculture. Keep on my brotha. Hell ain’t half full yet. Put that boom in your shockala. Africans were there wealthiest people on the fucking planet with the rise of Islamic power and the slave trade. Post slavery and pre civil rights struggle, blacks were the fastest rising economic group and the most stable families. Now what do you have?
Notice that this wasn't a discussion in an open forum of any kind. Imagine the chaotic side show that would develop out of this.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 we all know how what would of went.
I don’t know why Zuby’s being dishonest here. As a fellow Nigerian born in a western country you can absolutely see the cultural differences between continental Africans and black Americans. It’s night and day. We don’t have the same marriage and fatherless or abortion stats. Black Americans are over represented negatively compared to all groups of people, INCLUDING AFRICAN DIASPORA!!
Nigeria is a failed country where 80% of the citizens live in abject poverty. Is that considered success?
Not really, the Diaspora is Broken from Colonization. Africa can't get its Government structure together at all! Don't speak until you guys actually start recording Statistics on your economic and social conditions...
I seen African countries in worst situation. 😁😁
Nigeria illegal abortion is ridiculous and very high. Nigeria also have very high single parent homes. Not to mention the Biafra war. Black Americans over 40 million and most tribes are less then 30 million with the exception of Hausa Fulani Yoruba Igbo Oromo. Nigeria is getting ready for another civil war.
@@LloydsSky9you speak truth - I’d have to see the data from Nigeria or other African countries . Some African immigrants do great in America but many came from
Privileged families in Africa. I want to know how the average Nigerian family gets along
The main problem is every one has an opinion on black American culture. But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you know what you are talking about!
You heard this conversation and somehow found negativity?????
@@jamesstephens9702 and you took the time to twist this conversation into you being a victim, a victim mindset holds you back in life.
@@jamesstephens9702 are you a pookie/ray ray? Why are you so hurt by this conversation? You’re one of the stereotypes or something?
@@user-sj5ju4jb7tit's black American sensitivity lmao their extremely butthurt by African immigrants success
impressed with elliott's method. amazing how a brief question can distill an issue better than a 2 minute response.
Thanks guys, that was a really interesting discussion. A lot of food for thought. All young people need healthy positive role models to emulate. It's terrible if society has none because it seems to disintegrate without them. Keep up the good work.
Great to see Eliot and Zuby talking. Two great guys.
I appreciate Zuby. I like his outlook he is sure of himself and isn't looking to place any actions he takes on anyone other than himself. That level accountability and self awareness is really good to see.
I"m glad this video as well as your page showed up in my queue. You have a new follower. Great conversation!
No matter the origin, black culture seems to be about playing your music as loud as possible and not caring about who it bothers.
Zuby is introspective. Not afraid to speak on any topic. I wonder why most people are afraid to talk. You have a voice. Use it.
You get cancelled. People don't like being cancelled
@@mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 yup. it’s like getting shot in the ass after being fired from your job because your coworkers are woke. fun stuff
Most people don't have the ability to explain things in a contextual and nuanced manner
@Ag Perry stop worrying about what others accuse you of . Just unify and level up to where y'all deserve to be
Thank you Zuby for touching on some points in regards to PERCEPTION BECOMES REALITY ARGUMENT. Because of media art influencing life and life influencing art.
What a great conversation. Loved this!
A large problem I see with the black community, it is one I think zubys talked about, is the fatherlessness. Be it the father leaving, being pushed out by the mother, or being imprisoned, these young kids now have no role model other than these rappers and others who act poorly.
The saddest thing of all is that all the black fathers I know adore their families. From what I've observed, the black family unit, after being formed, is one of the strongest, they're just not being formed anymore.
Shahrazad Ali says it - go check her out
You can thank LBJ, the Great Society welfare programs, and the efforts of the Donkey party at federal, state and local levels to make it financially advantageous for black women to have many children out of wedlock and deny Black America the path to prosperity and joining the melting pot by chaining them with welfare programs that strongly promote DEPENDENCE, like the AMerican Indian on reservations.
LBJ's Great Society only provides substantial benefits to single mothers--LBJ, for whatever reason, broke the black family unit.
We can reverse this: give the same benefits whether a woman is married or not. Take away the "marriage penalty".
@@StudSupreme
Well said.
@@StudSupreme yeah, they may have promoted it, but the sisters didn’t have to take it. They chose that lifestyle. Nobody force them.
I really appreciated the nuance answers given to many of the questions. I didn’t like how guided the questions were to try and pull a specific answer out. I was in the Army investigator and served for 14yrs and the questions that were ask were done so in a way that reminded me of the “nice” interrogation. As the questions are bing asked they are also building a story in the mind of the person who’s answering to hopefully get them to buy in to the narrative on a subconscious level.
I peeped that too.
If all of these non American black cultures were so great then their home countries would be in much better condition. We all got problems and don't have room to be looking down on one another. I appreciate Zuby's perspective.
👊👊.... I can tell that you're a foundational black American
If they had the economic power of the US + their culture, they would be in a much better position. Why ignore the economics part.
@@user-sj5ju4jb7t well if that's the case then don't come over here and shit on Black Americans if your own country isn't well off economically. AGAIN, because of Black Americans and our sacrifices we paved the way for our African brothers and sisters to be able to thrive in this country.
@@AntBanks1984 you’re in no position to tell anyone where they can live. America is literally a nation of immigrants. Chinese immigrants built the intercontinental railroad, many groups have collectively contributed. You’re not in any position to tell anyone where they can live.
@@user-sj5ju4jb7t I didn't say that African immigrants can't live here I'm just saying that when they do arrive they respect black Americans. My comment is in response to what was said by the gentleman saying that Black Americans don't take things as seriously as Africans from the Caribbean
The interviewer is doing a great job listening and then asking new questions without interrupting or rushing through a list of questions.
How would this African know about Afro-American culture?
You have an Afro? Africans and Africans American are exactly the same people. Same goddamn DNA!
How would this Black American know about Mandela, Egypt, Shaka Zulu etc... stop acting like a little dictator.
You would have to be illiterate, blind, deaf, or all 3 to not know anything about it.
He grow up in the 🇺🇸
Man I'm blown away by this. Guys like this are not shown out here in the media. It's rare
Laughed when he said he listened to the older stuff (Biggie, Tupac). The old stuff to me is Kwame, PE, LL Cool J, Slick Rick and Kool Moe Dee.
Agreed
You mean the guys killed in Black on Black crime while always tryna talk about "the struggle" against racism?
Such a great video!
Thanks for the commentary.
Africans and the “African American” blacks arent the same people. We are two totally different nations
What are the differences?
@@tecumseh4095 Shem and Ham
@@tecumseh4095 yep black Americans are Shem
@@tecumseh4095 culture and genetics
@@SOULAANI_ So your African ancestry test doesn’t match with ethnic groups from west Africa?
Thank you for telling people this! We need more like you to set the record straight!
First time listening to this channel. I enjoy this talk very much. Just subscribed.
Good conversation man 👏👏👏
... Feels like its cut short though .. Is there more or an extended clip? ... if not we need a pt 2 😊
When you look at the state of Caribbean islands, the poverty crime and corruption, how exactly do you take yourselves more seriously?
It's a sorry tactic they use to say their better than Black Americans they all use in one way or the other. The number one insult I hear a lot is when they say Black Americans have no culture.
You probably don’t know history very well. Unlike in the US, after slavery ended in the Caribbean those people were on their own and had to figure it out. Read Haiti’s history and how dirty they were done. In the US when slavery ended, former slaves didn’t have to try to figure out how to create an entire nation, they just had to figure out coexistence in an already established one, one of the most economically powerful at that. I’m sure you can gather that one would provide substantially more economic opportunity than the other. Especially in Haiti’s case where they couldn’t even trade and were blacklisted essentially for being a black enclave that revolted. Given the available resources or lack thereof on small islands one would expect less economic activity vs a landmass that spans much of the North American continent.
I agree with his opinion that’s why approaching people as individuals rather than groups is important.
Great conversation!
To me Black Americans in the 70's used to be admired by us outside USA as they were artistic (Marvin Gaye, the Temptations etc including actors like Jim Brown as so far as Sidney Portier), the soul music, Tamla Motown etc. that's how I see it. Real music. Real handsome too.
I love love love this discussion between these two brothers. Great conversation.
What I got out of this conversation is that "Hip Hop", used to be countercultural, but now it has been mainstreamed its lost its purpose as a way for disenfranchised to express themselves and is just being used as tool for corporations to market to a target demographic. The stream has reversed itself.
I remember growing up in the 2000s when hip hop was going mainstream. It was all about club music and twerking.
Remember that when the red pill guys try to blame blue-haired lesbians for the "liberalization" of female sexuality.
Hey yo Elliot !
Dude is a legend far as I’m concerned
💯💯💯
Great convo.
It's surprising how an immigrant speaks on behalf of Black American people, it's insane how black Americans let outsiders represent them.
Were you referring to the dark skin guys? I don't think he was speaking on behalf of Black Americans. I think he was just answering the question that was posed to him, which was to compare black experiences. However, I am just founding out today that Elliot was Caribbean. I simply assumed he was just Black American.
@@blessedchild4941 Why is he answering questions on behalf of Black Americans, and you can tell he is not black American by the negative things he says about them, pathetic...
@@lulamaanderson Who are you talking about? Elliot or Zuby? America is a free country; no one can stop anyone from talking about anything. That's not how this country works.
@@lulamaanderson you didn’t even listen. He didn’t say a single negative thing about black Americans and defended them
@@themarathoncontinues4211 You are still young in the game to know what a "dog whistle"... You don't have to blatantly say certain things, learn to read between the lines...
I havent seen Elliot Hulse in so long! His workout motivation videos are seared in my head forever from repeated watching/listening back in the day. "Transcendant Rep" baby!
Def subscribing thanks for the intellectual take on this I enjoyed listening to what you had to say!
Zuby is the man, there should be Millions like him.
Man I haven't seen Elliot in forever. He was huge in early CZcams weightlifting world.
Remember him in that garage he always filmed in in Florida?
Yep and when Elliott spoke out against modern feminism - he lost a good chunk of his fan base
great conversation. Elliot is so awesome. Been following him for years.
This is a conversation that needs to be had, but amongst ourselves. Not on the freaking internet for everybody to hear.
As a point between Zuby and Elliot: culture is a reflection of individual choices magnified across a group. Rap music may reflect the conditions of the times but to what extent does that influence the youth of that time?
I think it is easier to be a negative influence, you just tell people what they want to hear. You can be powerful, you can be wealthy, you can get all the girls, you can do all the drugs you want, etc. Trying to develop a positive influence in someone's life is so hard because you have to understand their issues and their aspirations. It requires intimacy on an emotional and psychological level, to be a good role model.
I think that is why kids that are already in the margins, i.e. fatherless, in poverty etc. tend to be more at risk for the lifestyle depicted by rap music and pop culture.
I'm old enough to remember how in the late 70s/early 1980s, mainstream (White people) media and American pop culture HATED rap music and Hip Hop culture!! Radio stations in NYC like Z-100 and Power 95 would advertise about being 100% Rap free! In the early 80s MTV refused to play Black music in general, and definitely wouldn't play rap music. If you wanted to hear hip hop it was underground, in the fringes, after hours, bootleg tapes. Major music stores in the shopping mall didn't sell it. And you know what, I really really MISS that era, because the art form was at its peak! Every artists was original, fresh, exciting and Positive!! The WORST thing that happened to Hip Hop was mainstream acceptance.
@@juniorjames7076 That's pure fiction. Run DMC, LL Cool J, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, and the ever insane Beastie Boys were widely recognized and celebrated on radio and on MTV in the late 70's and early 80's.
The conditions of the times - fatherlessness, gang culture etc is direct product of the liberal policies enacted by Lyndon Lohnson in the 1960s. Under the guise of compassion, the black man was made irrelevant to his family through family welfare support. This disincentivised black men from being in the home and disincentivised black women from choosing black men who were responsible to procreate with.
If you look at black American culture from the early 20th century, almost all children were raised in married homes (80%). The literacy and educational rates were fast catching up with whites. Now both trends have fallen off a cliff.
@@StudSupreme How old are you? If you weren't living in NYC '82- '85 you don't know wtf your talking about.
@@juniorjames7076 Which means I do know what I'm talking about and you have a chip on your shoulder as big as MSG.
When it filters through your lens . . . yes, your adult, well-formed lens where your already well-crafted discernment helps you take away a more mature response . . . This conversation is an amazing exploration that we as a society should double down on!
So true..
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BLACK AMERICANS ARE WINNING AND WE ARE NOT ALL THUGS THE MAJORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE ARE SUCCEEDING IN EDUCATION, AND ECONOMICS
Zuby is very well spoken..I appreciate his perspective on things
Black American culture really does live rent-free in these people's minds.. black Americans formed their own culture after freeing ourselves from enslavement we did not run to other countries we stayed and fought for our people and created a culture that is emulated worldwide !!! Remember our families fought your families ran!!
Sagging your pants and twerking in the street is no kind of culture.
@@dwaynehicks3867 that’s coon tether talk
Black "culture" is largely inherited from southern redneck culture, which itself was inherited southern England (where it has died out.) You should read the book "Black rednecks and white liberals."
@@slydog7131 there was no southern redneck culture till black Americans created it
@@boox130 Where did you get that idea?
I’m so glad that he didn’t fall into the trap of making negative comments about Black Americans. As a Black American, it get so old hearing non-American black people in America. Rap music may influence, but people tend to put all their focus on the people who’s lives reflect rap music. That is NOT the majority of Black Americans. Literally.
It’s the whole model minority trap. It’s meant to pit people against each other. I was always told to learn history and be compassionate. I know that I would not enjoy these privileges without the sacrifices of African-Americans. Unfortunately, not every home that is black but not African-American gets that education. I have always admired the accomplishments of African-Americans. I see the negatives as a subset of any normal people. I don’t understand why hoodlums represent African-Americans but trailer park meth addicts don’t represent white Americans? As an East African person, I just shake my head.
Old man here, love your discussion!!!
Heavy questions! This is a fantastic conversation!
I used to listen to I.C.P. when I was younger and I always thought their stuff was funny but didn't take it seriously. I think music is an expression and yes it can be powerful. I dont think pop stuff itself leads to the downfall itself. I think people who worship those famous artists who follow them on social media are more influenced by what they say on their than the music itself. I am like zuby and a huge individualist. Unfortunately too many people are hive minded and just want to be with everyone else. I listen to metal music like death metal and that now. Whenever I go to a concert I am out of place because I don't dress like everyone else there. I dressed to be comfortable not to fit in.
My only issue with the discussion is that whenever “black American culture” is discussed it’s almost always going to be about hip hop, nothing else. As though this huge demographic of people are to be reduced to a genre of music.
Right, but they never talk about th3 30,000 Black doctors. or the Black owned financial institutions. The Black Lawers Association or the Black Engineers Association. The uneducatted immigrants about Black Americans, can kick rocks
@@BronzeSista EXACTLY. A bunch of people outside our culture trying to tell us what our is. While ignoring all of the positivity and resilience within it
Great discussion gentlemen.
Gwarn Zuby. Always speaking sense. A great one and a Legend.
Elliott is a fitness youtube legend
Absolutely 💯
This is why FBA people need to educate themselves. Everyone else is so obsessed with our culture and history but us.
Is there a link to the full episode?
I remember Elliott when he was working out of that little garage and he was showing his workouts on the little whiteboard and he had just got done doing. Strong man that's when I started following Elliott. I've watched you evolve into the best version of you and I believe you probably still work on it
Love Elliot- Great Guest.
Black American culture is new. It’s a modern design built in the face of trauma. African culture is far older and more established. Both have their positives and negatives. Black American culture lives more in the now. We’re less likely to put up with BS and put our own self worth a little higher than others. It’s the if nobody will care about me then I’ll care about me mindset. African culture is more grounded, they have a more go along to get along view which aids in longevity and survivability. Caribbean culture to me is a more in between model. This isn’t to say all people are like this, but I think we exist more in a spectrum rather than being some huge divide.
You summed it up well. People need to accept the fact that we all ended up here because of Western Africa's dysfunction and depending on where we were shipped we developed our own ways to cope with life and that came with issues too.
What is African Culture? There are many countries and far more tribes
Big s/o to the podcaster! Years back he was just doing workout videos out the garage. Work hard y’all!
Always strange that the newcomers finally feel free, but those who were born in America feel trapped.
This plays out starkly where I live. It's a majority white area, but there is a significant black minority, and also one of the largest populations of Somalis on earth outside of Somalia. Of course, Somalis (from east Africa) and west-African-descended black Americans are (at least) as different as Russians and Spaniards in actuality, but it's also crazy to see how much a few cultural differences lead to vastly different outcomes in the same city. The Somalis, as relatively more recent immigrants, have a more intact group identity, and seem to go out of their way to create businesses and services that serve that community specifically, at every level. For instance, there are a TON of child care and elder care businesses set up and owned/run by Somalis, mostly for Somalis, reinforcing the shared community and shared culture. I feel like American blacks (like most American whites) don't have that sense of an ethnic community as much, since we're all subsumed into "American" in different ways. I think America is too big, too many things, too top-heavy at the national level, and we all have an identity crisis because of it. We're all looking at the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1% and wondering why we're not there, instead of just looking around in our own communities and making life better in a tangible, achievable way. We didn't evolve to live in the kinds of super-communities that technology has given us access to.
Smells like Minneapolis to me . . .
I bet it’s musty too.
Parliament put out a album Chocolate City that was a tribute to Washington DC in Guangzhou China there's a Chocolate City too , it's home to many Blacks whose origins are from Africa , and they have Black Rappers who rap in Cantonese .
My friend who's from Guangzhou said there are TV shows that have comedy skits and they perform in blackface with Afro wigs and the people there don't think it's racist they think it's just comedy . i explained to her that's the same way white Americans used to think too .
Glad to see Eliot big again. He kinda went through an awkward growth period where he was finding what values he wanted to tall about.
Great Explanation 💯
I don't understand how anybody could say that rap and hip hop does not have obvious negative impact, especially since for the most part the music and the culture that seems to require it hasn't very much evolved in the past several decades
The same blk American culture that served in every war this country had so these two hosts had a USA to come to.
Exactly
every single war.
😂lies you didn't serve in war for them to sit down there. You did to please massa.
Zuby when you slamming out the next album? I enjoyed your music
Great conversation
I’m a fba I lived in England for two years. I’m gonna be honest we have a difference Jamaicans, Somalians and black British see us through what the media portrays us. From my view point I see that while they had whites who took and exploited them. They didn’t have to be enslaved and live with their oppressors. We are built and made by America, we established our own culture and the world follows it and shapes their culture. I learned that other black cultures learned to co exist and accept their status. I’m proud of my history we fight, we have legends Malcom, Muhammad Ali, Tupac and mj. We are different and I love it cause our history is different. We fight oppression and I learned to love being American because we have been here since 1619 we made this country and shaped the world. But I hate that others listen to media and instead seeking us for our opinions
Only 1 of the people brought over in 1619 lived to have children. Her children were also born before matri-lineal hypodescent was codified.
Hard facts, Obama's mother has as good a chance of being descended from the slaves brought over in 1619.
As a Somali person, it’s rather sad to hear that anyone black thinks that we are looking down on them. If you look at the history of the country, it has been very pro African. We used to help other African countries fight against colonialism. We were never colonized and exploited in the same way as other countries for that reason. It was one of the longest most brutalist anti-colonial wars. We also resisted colonization for centuries by everyone as a coastal country. We are a fierce people.
Yes, the older generation fell for the Hollywood portrayal. But over time they realize that it was just like the same propaganda they faced during colonialism. So a lot of it is a lack of education. Some of it is just straight up tribalism. Most Africans operate along the lines of ethnicity rather than a common skin colour identity. So they see you is just as different as a Nigerian person.
I was raised to be educated on African-American issues. So I was never one to look down on them. We were told to be grateful for all the hard work and sacrifice they made so we could live in North America!
Many Black Jamaicans are descendants of African slaves.
It always makes me chuckle to hear black Americans talking about how they freed themselves. Black people sold each other to whites as slaves, it was only other whites that turned around and forced the practice to end. Blacks certainly participated in ending slavery, but they didn't cause it to happen.
The whole "we made this country" is just sad cope though - the idea that all the white people on the continent would have just floundered helplessly if blacks hadn't come along and been their slaves... I mean, it's ridiculous on it's face.
@@mylesleggette7520 You obviously can't smell your own bullshit.
Europeans and Arab Jihadists forced Africans through divide and conquer tactics to exchange people for weapons to defend themselves(this didn't happen overnight). Prior to this, there were no record of Slaves (as we know them today) being sold and kept for hundreds of years, Europeans did this.
Black Americans were literally the workforce that built America and for you to spread your mouth open disrespecting the people your ancestors mistreated for centuries, rather than showing some remorse, shows your lack of humanity & maturity.
This guy should be a politician!! He's not really answering the questions. He's not giving concrete answers! Frustrating!!!
God i would love to have a conversation with you about some stuff. is it possible to do so?
Zuby is like the big brother i never had
Impressive men and great discussion. I wish (and hope) that Men like these would be held up as role models vs the stuff our society/media keeps pushing on us.
And it was touched on early in the discussion. At it's root the underlying issue of corrosive culture/media/art is a problem for all of us regardless of our race. Until we all...as a society...stop embracing trash behavior as "cool", we are all going to pay a price.
Well maybe bc this America not Britain
Yo Elliot! I had a visceral reaction of delight realising who it was. Maximum respect and regard to this insightful man for all of the authentic positivity he delivered via his videos, over the years. Much appreciated.
Wow. What a profound exchange 💯🔥
Beautiful discussion.
in the Caribbean, we are still accountable to something outside and above us. We are accountable to God and his standards, the community and its standards, and our family and their standard, and even if there is bad behavior ie back talking to our elders. , drugs, sleeping around, kids out of wedlock most people felt shame but in the west in general largely in part to American culture and liberalism there is a growing disregard to these standards and lack of shame even in the Caribbean now. When growing up no one was proud of their antisocial behaviour and would never want their kids to have those behaviours.
So you’re really going to blame your degeneracy on America.
That goes against the holier than thou, “we’re not victims” narrative that Caribbeans, and indeed Africans…try to portray.
Looking at black people in America from Europe I do think OMG these people have lost their minds.
Isn't there an all out war in Europe right now? I guess you people have lost your minds too.
Well that’s because you most likely only see rappers which is a limited view of black Americans
Looking at European history in general I think the exact same thing. European's historical and even current violence against each other puts black on black crime in america to shame.
So, you’re basically admitting your ignorance and stupidity while sitting on a high horse, of being European.
The irony of it all.