Gideon Guardian 1-10x Budget LPVO Review.
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Gideon Optics has been making a lot of waves lately. Newest to the market is the Guardian- which is a 1-10X second focal plane scope. Personally I do not gravitate toward LPVOs, so my question to you is- do you prefer a first or second focal plane?
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First (Front) focal plane ALL DAY!!!!
I want my measurements to be accurate regardless of what level of magnification. On a 1-10, one could recalculate on a Second (Rear) focal plane because its 1/10, but the markings would have to be highly accurate, with a detent, which doesn't exist. For that reason, i will always only purchase a FFP if we are talking about reticle with any measurement on it.
I’m 3tarded so having a FFP makes knowing my holds intuitive, it also helps me teach new shooters how to accurately shoot fairly fast with minimal learning curve. Not to mention at 1x having a smaller reticle makes transitioning as fast maybe a hair slower than a rds. I’ve been rocking the plxc for a fat minute meow, and it’s been effortless and amazing as a shameless plug. Great vid bud
With an LPVO, I'm putting on a gun that is intended for short-range. It will be used for home defense or hunting in dense wooded areas. Maximum shot being maybe 200-300 yards. I'd prefer to have a big usable etched reticle for short-range. The benefit of an FFP is that the BDC markings are true at all ranges, but if I'm ever using those, I'm probably at a range that I'm fully zoomed in anyway. Most scopes are an extra $200 for the FFP variant, and for the most part, I won't be using their primary advantage. With LPVOs I prefer an SFP 1-6x. If I need more zoom than that, then I'll go with a 3-12x, 3-15x, or a 3-18x. Those types of scopes are where FFP is a real advantage. That's just me and the type of shooting I mostly do
First focal plane preferred.
I like the theory of LPVO's. But I just can't get past the weight. Most often they are used zoomed all the way in or out. Rarely in between. So I found that I like the Primary Arms Micro 5x Prism and an offset Holoson SCS. If you're curious what that looks like, I have a video on it mounted on my Ruger SFAR.
Just got mine last week! 💪😎👍
Arken nailed it with their FFP implementation with a zoom through reticle.
FFP on anything above 6x
SFP on anything below 6x
ACOG ftw
I prefer a first focal plane, simply for the accurate ranging capability regardless of magnification setting. If accurate ranging isn't necessary, because you don't plan on shooting at range, then you might just as well run a red dot and save the weight.
FFP for longer range and with a complex/hold rich reticle. SFP for close range and with a simple red dot style reticle.
Exactly I have the 1-6 nova from PA and SFP is totoally fine for such a simple design. Only quirk is that it does have a, simple yet decent, bdc. Overall, if there's a bdc present go for FFP, simple cross hair go for SFP
@@ricardojustiniano4942 The 1-6 Nova from PA is probably the only LPVO where SFP makes sense.
@gldude14-lt4qc exactly, it just happens to have a bdc as a little treat, and it extends to all simple crosshairs being the better choice for SFP. Anything else with any sort of bdc should be ffp
I prefer a 2nd fp scope for general with a good reticle and a 1st fp for precision shots. It would be a 2nd fp if I'd have to choose one for an AR.
It depends on the person, the reticle and what you're using it for. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.
You put that very well and I think the reticle is also key. That would, especially, be with a FFP, even a SFP. I prefer FFP, but has to have the correct Reticle. I added the use of a Red Dot and, possibly, a 3x-5x magnifier, when shooting within 200 yards. It really is up to the person and the mission... overall.
The first or second focal plane depends on the application of the firearm it is mounted on. Defensive short range, mid distance shooting, long-range shooting. Hunting, target, tactical, or plinking types of shooting. It depends, comes to mind.
Thank you Sir
I've always wondered about these amazon optics.
You might like the new Primary Arms 1x8 Nova, the PA Nova has a true Daylight Bright Reticle. Well it has a Daylight Bright Dot in the center of the Reticle.
Dual Focal Plane gang! Why compromise when you can have the best of both worlds? I've been using the March 1.5-15x42 Dual Focal Plane for a while now, and it is a pretty kick ass scope. Only downside is the price, but that's unavoidable, as the only manufacturers who currently offer DFP scopes are March and Schmidt & Bender.
Didn't know that even existed
@@bobborlog1677 Me either 😂
@@bobborlog1677 I've been posting video of using it at all sorts of matches, it has been great for the mid-long range stuff, and pretty useable for the close range stuff as well.
Thank you very much for your getting back to gun content. As to the focal plain, I have no preference.
If it has a BDC, FFP wins every time. If it's just a basic crosshair, it doesn't matter.
If you're close enough to your target that you don't need magnification, and you're running at 1x, it's going to work like a red dot. There's no downside to an FFP LPVO.
Second focal plane for LPVO. First focal plane for LRP.
I love LPVOs. Send it here for testing 😉
Might wanna tweak that spelling on "Guardian" before it publishes!
thats funny, I realized this when I was going through the back-end
I like my bdc reticle to be accurate throughout my magnification range, first focal plane for the win on lpvos. My go to though for low magnification is a fixed magnification scout style scope or a prism optic.
All my lpvos are ffp when zoomed in I can easily see the reticle and bdc but zoom it out and turn on the illumination and it functions closer to a red dot
Anything from 1x4 to 6 I want a Second Focal Plane. 1x8 to 10 I want a First Focal Plane. 70% of the time Im either at 1x or the highest setting but I have come to love having a offset Red Dot so I can actually use the scope to look for targets and that lets me use everything in the middle now.
Growing up we strictly had 3-9x40 sfp scopes with duplex reticles. They did the job but I often found that in rushed situations in thick brush that 3-9's sucked. Now I almost exclusively use lpvo's as i rarely use anything over 4x. Using lpvo's I can easily hunt thick brush and then pop out into wide open fields or long pipelines and still be effective. I only recommend sfp scopes to people who will never have to hold over a target or dial. I do wish that we had more ffp optics targeted towards hunters by offering capped turrets with Christmas tree reticles. That way we never have to worry about bumping it or returning it to zero, and can quickly acquire our holdovers at certain ranges. I might also add that I hunt alot with subsonic ammo so most of my bullets drop very quick.
Justs being honest, it saddens me that its only 1/2moa adjustments. it makes it much more likely that you will not be able to get an zero that is perfectly aligned to the point of the reticle. It could be just to the left, or right, or just above, or just below. And while that may be fine inside of 100 yards, once you try to make the long shot, your looking at a much greater offset.
FYI, I commented when you ask the question... Then watched the rest of the video. Good answer!
I love both ffp and sfp learn everything in my opinion can’t put my in a box
I have the PA GLX 1-10 FFP LPVO. Among many other PA scopes. At $800 I’ve yet to decide how much I like or hate it. So far all I know is it is made in Japan and the glass is amazing. The eyebox is extremely tight. But I think that’s par for 1-10.
I hear some killdeer. My range has them too!
How would this work on a Rossi R95 lever in 3030??
I would say FFP all day , and prefer mils
Second focal is fine with medium powers I am mostly on minimum doing close stuff or max making precision shot
I prefer FFP over SFP. However, the reticle is key, imo, for a FFP. I think I might jump and say, for within 200 yard shooting, a 1x with a 3x-5x magnifier is fine, too, if needed... I answered this before you finished your video... I'm glad you, and others, seem to feel the same way, meaning I may be doing some things right!
1st FP. Of course I'm down to 2 LPVOs, switched to x3 prism scopes on the rest.
NE Ohio here 👍👍👍
I like 2nd focal plane, if you are shooting far enough where you need to hold over or estimate range you're probably going to have it on 10X anyway, plus 1st focal plane scopes have too much junk on the reticle, just so you can see it when you turn the power down.
FFP with center dot ftw
Prefer SFP for a LPVO, FFP has an advantage with higher power scopes with ranging reticles. The problem with most FFP LPVO is that the reticle is nearly invisible at the 1x setting which is where you really need to have it visible. And if I need accurate ranging in my LPVO I have plenty of time and the need to be at max power.
SFP on my fighting setup. But FFP on long range setups.
First vocal plane
Sfp if it has a mil tree i don't mind, but otherwise I prefer ffp with a mil tree for more precision considerations.
Either way I can do precision, just don't like having to have ideal conditions for a bdc yo line up.
For me it depends mostly on the magnification and the type of reticle if I want SFP or FFP.
My issue with most FFP LPVO's, the reticle gets too small to be usable on 1x and the vast majority of optics with illumination don't get bright enough in bright day light not to mention horrible battery life in comparison to a red dot. For LPVO's I don't even bother with 1-4, but I do prefer the 1-6, I haven't been able to really look through any 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO's other than the Vortex Razor HD 1-10 that's FFP, which seems like a fantastic optic, but pricey. The most common on the market are your 1-6, which I've used quite a few, a Vortex Strike fire gen I (SFP) , Monstrum Tactical gen III (FFP), Primary Arms Raptor (FFP), and the Primary Arms Aurora (SFP). From those, the Monstrum was the absolute worst, horrible reticle, horrible illumination, so it wasn't very usable on 1x for cqb type of shooting drills and the reticle didn't have any ranging features. Next worst one was the Primary Arms Raptor. The reticle was almost none existent on 1x and the illumination was better than Monstrum's but not by much. It worked great anywhere between 3-6x at various ranges. The Vortex wasn't bad at all, the gen III is better but I haven't used one enough to really comment on it, but the gen 1 is more usable, I did like the reticle but not a huge fan of a large fixed horseshoe style of reticles. I found the Primary Arms Aurora to be my favorite, it is SFP, but the ranging features seem to work fine on most magnifications for a man sized target out to 600 yards, but imo, no need for ranging to be exact on a man sized target 300 yards or less. Has a few ways to range your targets, along with just a large Chevron and a Christmas tree style drop bdc. Illumination isn't that great, but it doesn't need to be since it's a SFP, I find the large Chevron easy to use for cqb style drills and very easy to make hits out to 600 (I double access to further ranges than that at the moment), but it's been the most usable LPVO I've used so far. Just from a few 1-8 and 1-10 LPVO's I've seen reviews on, most of them either excel at one thing but lack in another and other than the vortex Razor, it seems that most can't do cqb and long range well, it's one of the other. I'm sure there are others out there that do work well for speed up close and precision at distance, but my experience beyond 1-6 is limited so take it for what it's worth. That said, any type of magnified optic I run on a rifle that has a magnification of more than 12x, I do prefer FFP, I find the FFP reticle easier to work with and to use the reticle more accurately, especially if I need more field of view on a lower power than be limited to max power in order for the reticle to be true. I also hate the parallax adjustment on the objective lens, the side parallax is way more intuitive imo. For a FFP magnified optic, so far my favorite has been the Swampfox Warhawk 5-25x50, works great on any rifle of any caliber I have including my 50BMG, plus the eye box is generous enough even on max power, I can still see through the scope and see my impact with all that recoil from the rifle, which is huge because the optics that give you the black ring with the slightest movements is annoying. This is especially true if hunting or shooting varmints at long range and want or need to see your hits.
Pricing?
Hey your out of your office this week
They should make one that has both 1st & 2nd focal planes at the same time. Wondering if people would loose their 💩 over it, lol!
On a shorter range, lower magnification LPVO first focal plane really isn't necessary. I would go with SFP.
2nd...
SFP because when you turn it down FFP it can get to small to use
Ffp with an offset or 12 o'clock dot. To me that's the only use case an lpvo has validity and yea if on a budget you have to get a daylight bright lpvo which unless getting an ATACR sfp is the only way. But I feel an lpvo without a secondary\primary optic isn't worth the squeeze
I've always preferred FFP for LPVOs. In order to get any benefit from the "V" in LPVO, the bdc has to stay true at all magnification levels... otherwise, if its only true at 1x and max magnification, it's functionally no different than a holographic/red dot + magnifier combo. The latter option is also far more useable under nods. Still, I prefer a fixed magnification prism with piggyback dot (end up being lighter package). Honestly, SFP LPVO is a waste of time.
A lot of optics are a compromise. Weight vs precision, magnification for range or not for speed, etc. Lvpo's seem to be the ultimate in compromising nearly every desire. If you had a venn diagram of every possible optic desire lvpo would be found wherever the most overlap occurs. I think that's why they are so popular. I certainly don't want to have to swap optics... But that's why I have dedicated chassis' 😅 still, interesting to keep an eye on the "fad" and see how it progresses, I'm sticking to rds and traditional optics for now.
An LPVO should be 1-6 or 1-8, holdover reticle, SFP, daylight bright dot, weigh under 20 oz, and have clear glass at top and bottom of magnification.
First focal plane for anything with >4x power
1x10 ffp. 1x6 sfp. 1x4 sfp that's the way I like it.
On a 1-10 at the $400 price range? SFP is fine, especially with a reticle that is that simple. If you are really shooting at distance, chances youll be at max magnification which makes all holds true up. SFP is better for close up shooting due to the larger reticle.
SFP for 1-6 and FFP for 1-8/1-10
I put LVPO’s on my hunting rifles for the same reason you put LVPO’s on your fighting rifles.
FFP if Im going that way.
FFP is superior to SFP. That said I've only ever used 1 LPVO and it is SFP and I've never used a FFP so I don't have anything to compare to. Also, I think with a SFP the main downside is the intermediate power settings are virtually useless as well as a zero shift you have to compensate for but don't quote me on that
1-4x should be SFP, 1-6x can be either and where FFP begins to be more justified. 1-8x is where FFP really becomes needed. 1-over8x FFP is absolutely required.
FFP is what I prefer over SFP. Easier to use and zero in.
I dont mean to be an a$$ but what the hell has happened to the world that a youtuber thinks $400 is a budget optics???
ffp lpvos are heavy and have trash eye boxes, with the exception of the most expensive examples.
FFP all day.
I prefer my Japanese glass LPVO over this Chinese one.
Second focal plane. People who have eye problems have a hard time with first focal plane scopes.
FFP ALL DAY EVERYDAY.
1/2 moa is too rough for a 1-10. 1/4 MOA is what it should be, or even better .1 mil per click. Vector 1-10 Continental is better than this scope in every way, and affordable at around $700
Reticle on the Gideon is awful
FFP
Damn I can’t subscribe to this
Careful about getting into LPVO's once you get lost in the weeds they will drain your wallet.
Me and my new Nightforce NX8 concur…
I think I shot that same rifle with a different optic 6 years ago. Thanks, Curtis.
And for distance, I like LPVO.
FFP
FFP