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Supermoto build | MONSTER | Part 1
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- čas přidán 17. 12. 2019
- I begin the motorcycle build project to turn my 2019 Husqvarna FS450 into a real supermoto monster. Including a Tekmo swingarm, Öhlins suspension, Tekmo exhaust system, 6 piston Beringer brakes, FAOR triple clamps, milled footpegs, high grip seat and ECU flash.
When is part 2 coming out?
it isnt out by yet even? or is it??
@@beardedcobra4898 it is. Not called part two though.
When is part 3 coming out?
The swingarm looks trick! Can't wait for part 2 :D
no such thing as part 2 lmao
Cool. You SuMo guys are fun to watch down at my local track. It seems like superbikes flow on the track with calculated movements while SuMo is more like a drunken fist fight. Keep it up!
Regarding brake: The 6 piston beringer with bro12 pump has a very soft feel and will be a big difference from the Brembo you are using now. I like the really soft feel in the beginning so I do not accidentally lock the wheel. But Ive had problems squeesing my own finger during hard braking when lever was not properly set. The beringer has some design flaws as well with really small pump oil volume and questionable seals.
The origial FS Brembo has more bite from the beginning but for me a harsch feel. I have also experienced brake fade on the original brembo so I went looking for a new setup. Many of the european elite riders use the beringer 4 caliper setup with different pumps. For me the VMX brake stup works really good (its basically a beringer copy with a lot of improvements and a much more progressive feel, something in between Beringer and Brembo setup above). I do not know if they deliver to the US but if you are in Sweden Lauri ships fast and it is half the price compared to Beringer. VMX also has triple clamps with different rake. I do not know the angle but it makes the bike 3 cm shorter, you do the math :) . VMX: vmx-racing.com/vmx-cnc-brake-kit-without-disc_p0698.html
How much did the whole suspension and swingarm cost you?
By the way thanks so much for your videos. You're the only genuinely enjoyable youtuber making supermoto racing specific content.
Remarkable Works Level build! Much thanks for sharing so much quality footage and specifics!
Engine:
My experience Twin exhaust 3-4hp, Dyno and mapping (flash ECU) 2hk, Vortex /GET ECU 1-2hp, Porting1-2hp, High compression piston 1-2 HP, Cams 1 hp, KN air filter 0,5hp (no filter at all does 1hp on the dyno).
Most modified Husqvarnas/KTMs in the European championships makes 68-69hp, depending on dyno offcourse but the gain with bolt on mods without being a engine scientist is 8hp ish.
So I would say your setup will make 5hp ish and it will breathe a lot better in the higher revs. The mapping will lean the lower register making it more crisp and responsive while the Tekmo exhaust lets it pull all the way to rev limiter and you will find yourself revving it more after the mods. If you like your engine do not open it :) .
Do you have the Adler or Suter slipper clutch ?
european championship bikes have around 12-13 hp gain;)
@@sumo_23 true, I was referring to the different championships in europe. For example in german S1 class I think place 10-20 have max 10 extra hp while the top guys who also compete in the european championship have more. But I wonder for how long for example Chareyre runs his motor :)
its not about the top guys. Some in the middelfield got more hp as the top guys. I know them very closely.
Nice vids, I think the single biggest improvement will be the suspension package, the rest are small improvements on a good base!
Mike, time to release part II. Can’t wait to see it...
Mike, great video. I would be interested in a quick tour of your truck and spares.
A tip from a guy working for a supermoto team in Italy: you are making too many mods at once. Completely changing the suspensions, making the bike shorter, adding more brake force: the bike will become more extreme and a lot more difficult to ride. You needed to do one thing, ride the bike some time to be able to get comfortable with the mod and setting up the whole bike to work with that mod, and then upgrading an other thing. The clamp mode is useless unless you are a very fast rider, the front end will be a lot twitchier under heavy breaking, and the 16.5 tyre is the worst at the moment
Penso qua dietro ce' qualche collaborazione promozionale, senno non mi spiego certe decisioni, hai ragionamenti giusti :D
Non ho dubbi, non che ci sia nulla di male (ci mancherebbe), diciamo che sarebbe meglio un approccio diverso, tutto qua
@@federico297 certo, fa piacere che uno dei "big" fa cosi tanto materiale sul motard 👍👍
What you want to say about the 16.5 wheel? Is it better a 16 inch?
@@federico297 16,16.5 or 17
WE NEED PART 2 MIKE!
more practice is better than buying parts - more Fun too
Can't wait for final results
Loving the Supermoto videos, looking forward to some more riding tutorials if possible unless someone can recommend some decent supermoto training in the UK 👍🏻
Part 2 where?
what a cool bike!
Great video! When is the second part coming?
Cant wait for part 2
Wow that's a crazy build ! Never heard of an adjustable triple tree !
Aren't you worried about the bike wheeling too much between the added power and the shorter swingarm ?
keep up the good work nice supermoto you got there !
Look forward to part 2
great video
love it when non pro riders feel the need to install sth like "custom pecs" and rly think that makes them faster LOL
Hey mike, why no love for the AER forks?
No way one of those tracks is my home track Shasta supermoto club
Needs a quick schifter to, healtech for example
wow its as powerful as my zxr 400
Would really like to see some lower lap times associated with said mod verses just saying I spent a ton of money on my bike and now its "better". Money can't buy talent with the exception of track time.
Video on engine braking and rev matching please🙂
Based on what I heard the 6 piston caliper is to big for supermoto
It works well on asphalt but it is to aggressive on dirt to modulate
The Beringer brakes have a very progressive feel if you opt for the whole system with pump. In comparison, best 4P Brembos are stronger and harsher....
@@GetLowRacingOfficial
correct. The 6 piston beringer with bro12 pump has a very soft feel and actually tricky to setup. Ive had problems squeesing my own finger during hard braking when lever was not properly set. The brembo has more bite from the beginning but for me a harsch feel. I have also experienced brake fade on the original brembo so I went looking for a new setup. Many of the elite riders use the beriger 4 caliper setup with different pumps and for me the VMX brake stup works really good (its basically a beringer copy with a lot of improvements and a much more progressive feel).
That concept idea and the swingarm look amazing plz can you tell me where to buy these parts I couldn't find them myself
TEKMO RACING Swingarm. Can find them on Instagram at @tekmoracing or @kmtr_supermoto
wheres part 2?
Now you're broke? Awesome build!
cant wait, to see part 2! :D
Hello, did you modify the travel on the Ohlins fork? That’s a motocross fork right? Thanks, I’m interested in making the swap to Ohlins.
I have that same socal supermoto shirt haha
Where is the second part?
when is part 2 coming my man?
Very nice build!🔥 And whats the song called at 3:20? Thx
Or you could have bought a TM racing or VERTEMATI to begin with...
very nice video :D
Which is the monster, Sir?
Wow! Did that cost as much as the bike? :p
How much hp did the flash add?
why use ttwo exuast?
Does the extra power from the new free flowing exhaust mean that the stock ECU is already compensating by adding more fuel?
Stock ecu is fairly rich and by re mapping its normally leaned making up to 2 hp along the whole register. Twin exhaust just makes less restriction so it puts out more the whole way, but where it really feels is in the top end. Going for twin exhaust usually requires richening again. I.e. dyno and map after new exhaust.
What's the thing about the double piped header? I haven't seen that for years and I always wonder why they are double?
They make those for more high end power, like the DVR exhaust
What made you go with TEKMO instead of by instance SUTER racing, Tecstra / MTR or like older models the Devtech ones... Are they also wider for a bigger / fatter rear tire?
And does your bike have a cush-drive?
Those dual headers are so sexy
Has part 2 came out yet?
OT: Sedlacek? Origin from Czech Republic? ;-)
duuuuuuuuuuuuuude where is part two????
I have the same bike as you. I really wonder if the Beringer is way better than the stock setting with new pads
No, its a matter of feel. Try some different brake pads first, for example z04 pads increase stopping power a lot. www.carpimoto.it/en-SE/32154_M497Z04-Brake-Pads-Brembo-M497Z04-Racing-Z04-Compound-2-pads-for-1-disk-.htm
@@pkerttu thank you! I'm going to Buy Them. I didn't saw your reply and i was looking for those 2 Weeks ago. Do you think 6 piston Beringer is over kill? All the best team run the radial 4 piston Beringer.
@@raphaellacasse-linteau good question. 6 piston is good with the axial fitting, especially with the right pump, bro12 or bro14. I think they run 4 piston due to radial fitting, the offset of 100 or 108mm max. I think the 6 piston radial offset is approx 130mm. The ones who run more pistons run two 4 piston calipers, look at cobra
när kommer del två?
awesommme
Hello mike, im converting my ktm exc to supermoto and i want to use a stock radial caliper from the fs450, is it 100mm or 108mm mount? With the stock forks amd caliper
Thanks in advance
Love ur videos
100mm Brembo M50 caliper
Wheres part 2?
learn how Husqvarna pronunciation sound like In Swedish in 0:49
decreasing clearance will decrease lean angle, so this is bad, decreasing wheelbase will decrease stability, so all those changes are stupid. dont think that bike makers are less clever, all those things are tested many times, but keep trying maybe you can find some good solution also
You're not totally true, ALL supermotos are way shorter than a Motocross bike, and need to be shorter to be more agile for the supermoto tracks. About the suspensions: the fs is way too low, so it needs to be higher on the suspension, especially the rear shock
@@federico297 most in europe are running them as they are. The only thing I did was to decrease static sag to 1,5 cm so it rides high in the rear. Suspension on the FS in stock form is really good.
@@patrikkerttu623 as you and I said, the rear is too low for supermoto use. The forks should need some mods to the set-up, I'd prefere to ditch the air forks but it's possible to make them work nicely. For example Tm suspensions are much better in stock form than the fs. The fs is a really competitive bike, it needs a radical change in the suspension. If you race the stock one aren't really great
@@federico297 On my FS I have the older cartridge forks and they are ca 1,5 cm shorter than the MX version. And on top of that I slide the forks up the clamps 1-2 cm. But now I will try different clamps with steeper rake so it will be interesting to see what happens.
I have not measured the length of AER supermoto forks, but I would very surprised if they are the same length as the MX AER forks.
I have ridden the never FS with AER forks and it feels great, much like my FS with revalved cartridge forks. The original cartridge fork valving were a disaster however, I have never understood why KTM cannot make a good setup from the beginning..
@@patrikkerttu623 i don't think the Mx forks are the same length as the fs, they are surely longer.
What I want to say is the stock suspensions are great, it's just the stock setup that's not really good. They just need some revalving and some height adjustments and they can work really well. A thing I've not written about: all my saying about the suspension is referred to the use of the bike WITH the off-road section, if you're using the bike only onroad it's true that the bike needs to be low on the front end
aha I knew has was Swedish - but the name Mike threw me of - but no American knows how to say Husqvarna and Øhlins - so a Swede
japp
Good to hear some correct pronunciations, would be nice if you called the bike what it really is though, en ktm med vit plast..
motofoto se vad fan är ktm da sämst
why don't americans say 'titanum' instead of titanium
because its pronounced titanium?
@@burneraccounthandle so why do they call aluminium 'aluminum'
that exhaust has to be the worst looking exhaust on the market IMO