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What happend to atraxas winrate
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
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I understand the videos point, but I will continue to have her at the head of my cEDH deck for pure fun factor
I like that answer. You should play what you think is fun.
@@cedhtv why is talions winrate so low? I watched a few videos where talion would draw 2-3 cards a turn that’s weird
As mons said, it is a control deck and has a lack of combos and win potential. The games often go into value slogs, and go to time. @@Yuta935
@@Yuta935one thing I suspect is that it can stop your own demonic consultation + thassas oracle combo because the draw is not optional. So someone can kill you in response with 0 cards in your deck by playing a spell. The nonbo with the best wincon in the format is rough. I have no evidence to back this up though
@@mekhihernandez4478 hot take but Im not flickering atraxa that many times to win
Love this video! As someone studying stats it’s cool seeing someone apply it to help people in this amazing hobby!
I think they paying close attention at atraxa nowadays. We got a small cedh tournment upcomming , im going to use turtle land eggs you brewed long time ago 😂
I really like that you showed the p-values but sometimes it falls off the screen
If you take magda since the printing of roaming throne you will notice that is the best deck nowadays according to top16 conversion
Magda? Are you kiding?
@@diegorezi5760 with the resulta in the last 2 weeks Rogsi is in the first position again.
Yooooo thank my good sir!
np
I like grand arbiter Augustin, i have not seen many list with that one i will remember that. Atraxa Dropping makes sense we should find more viable wins and more solid value for this type of deck
I've been playing with virtue of knowledge and gandalf and mother of machines in my list.
Was thinking about playing her with more...bad cards?? Like run witherbloom chain of smog so you can be aggressive with tainted pact. Then also use her kind of as a wheel. Run all the uncounterable shit and fast mana/rituals to dump your hand and then refill. Less bulky value pieces.
Idk.
Atraxa greatest strength it's the two wincons it has available. Made up by only useful cards, with no fats added to it. Problem is that all the rest you said is true. The format needs an alternative to Food Chain in the same way breach revolutionized the format.
There is a chance of doint this with Tivit?
Atraxa blink is a menace in casual
I have a question Mons, where did you get 571 decks from? Looking at edhtop16 for this year so far (including tournaments below 64 entrants) i found 628, and not counting those its approx 200ish
They have to be on moxfield. I can't extract decklist if they arent on moxfield. Some of them use different websites.
Wow, I relly like your content
To be honest, I don´t undertansd how do yuo do this analysis,
but I rlly like to know how Rocco is doing at competitive level, food chain or arena rector.
thanks for the data, is pretty helpful
Your welcome. Now rocco is a commander that CAN win games. Fast and effecient.
What ypu said about Demonic Tutor made me think...
What decks dont play those staples, like the good tutors, mana positive rocks, and generically good stuff like Dockside and Breach.
And are any of those lists doing anywhere close to decent?
Those are the best in the format.
@@cedhtv yeah, but maybe some edge cases? One I just thought of is mana crypt in Niv Mizzet decks. Is it still good?
Some yuriko lists cut mana crypt
Do you provide your data so we can see all the cards that are performing/underperforming in Atraxa, aside from the ones shown in the video?
I don't have a website. if you write to me on discord micromonkey I can send you some stuff you want to se.
As someone who has been playing Atraxa I’d say it’s actually better to focus on combos , not relying on casting the commander. But maybe that defeats the purpose?
No I think your correct. I have looked at data overtime and wincon focused builds tend to win more.
very interesting stats
do you mind sharing your source?
write to me on discord, name is micromonkey and I can send you some pictures.
Statistics really only help if their based off players who know what their doing. For example, if there was a group of say eleven players but they were REALLY good with Sram, Senior Edificer. You'd think Sram, Senior Edificer was a "top tier commander" option as they know how to play the deck, they have all the cards to make him work. Then, Timmy gets a Sram, Senior Edificer, builds a deck using what he has. And gets "shut down" and never does anything meaningful. Now let's swap the situation, Let's say there's eleven Timmy's who are just there to play commander and see how fast they lose to what none sense, and there's one player who showed up and made top five with Sram, Senior Edificer. The statistics are going to be skewed.
100% correct. Been telling people this a lot.
Hold on, a moment here, you didn't talk about any of what I would call my strongest wincons. I have several deck ideas. I have been running this as my main commander since release, and I run a heavly dimir based Thoracle combo. I also run a Bolas's Citadel as it's a more lethal wincon for me than Ad Nauseum, Hullbreaker Horror, and Walking Balista. I tried running a Geae's Cradle but the deck playes more Instants, sorceries, and Artifacts than anything else. I would agree, most of what you talked about is trash, I have tried over $1200 in combo pieces for Atraxa. I am willing to play people with the deck over discord if anyone's interested in seeing it.
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Red is just so good. Dockside is stupid.
yes.
Its a good deck i just built it i love it
Cons:
Very mid range
Lacking red
Pros:
Cars Advantage in command zone
Mana fixing with green
Control with blue
Stax with white
Imho its dropping in win rate because there are a ton of other decks in the format that compete just as good and faster but everybody at the table gangs up on atraxa (for good reason)
I think another thing to consider with commanders win rates in cEDH is that people net deck too much, often times trying to make an existing shell work for a new commander, using same cards or bad cards that they would in other decks. This lazy deck building style with combination of lack of skill to pilot leads to lackluster gameplay and performance. True you have your staples that every deck plays, but having secret tech and understanding how to use it within your pod is what separates the winners from the losers.
When one of the more prominent players gets caught cheating and banned from tournaments, the deck's winrate will get worse.
It's a very mid list that's slow and plays bad wincons
Very skeptical of decks that do well online, yet never achieve anything at in person events
And his tournaments entrys was removed from my data. And ... that made it drop a lot.
Oof
Uh oh....who cheated???
@@TripsAhoy Punnyname
@@drew941 idk who that is. Well either way that sucks.
I would prefer if you would also track the change im draw%. Because if you add 8% draw chance, but lose 1 % winrate, than this is good for a lot of tours, whereas you are arguing for that is bad.
I didn't becouse I think it can be a bit much numbers in the picture.
What means "Average draw rate"? It's the percentage of the deck you see/draw each game? A average draw rate of 50% means that in a normal game you see half your deck?
How does this value is affected by combos that draw the hole deck? Those games count as 100% draw rate?
Drawing the game. Like, nobody wins or loses. That can happen in a time-out scenario or if Animate Dead+WGD doesnt have a way to stop looping, or a similar event occurs. Players can also ID - Intentionally draw.
Problem with Atraxa is that she is extremely fragile, you have no comeback from anything really, your oonly win con is cycling BowMaster through a convoluted line and the other is Thoracle, it is extermely telegraphed and you cant really do much else even if you hit infiinite mana and have your whole deck drawn, if you dont include ballista that is. Everytime I see Atraxa I am happy to know that this will be easy game if I play some Graveyard hate, which as a stax player I run plenty.
It's a 3v1 of people scared of her resolving.
She cost 7 mana. To draw 4 or 5 cards.
Everyone else wins the game with that much mana
YES! hahaha
Buddy at my Local FNM would bring their Atraxa deck by, would win quite consistently. Best game we had was I battled them with my Yargle and Multani deck and we both got down to the one of us is going to win next turn and I clutched out Life/Death followed up with Triumph of the Hordes: LOL We both jumped out of our chairs like it was the super bowl and the final touchdown to win the game! Super fun game. Never underestimate a budget Yargle and Multani deck ;p
Because she is slow. Tapping 7 to cast her is meh. Then you get to watch your opponents go for wins while your tapped out.
Spot on.