stella lee wild card cEDH data deck tech

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • This Stella Lee Wild card is really popular but not that good. She kinda struggels. Let's talk about why and maybe some things you can do to change that.
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Komentáře • 31

  • @wat_omy
    @wat_omy Před 2 měsíci +23

    the biggest issue ive seen is people know of the deck works but dont play it well. a lot of people try to jam a win as fast as possible instead of waiting for the best opportunity. i have around a decent winrate in my own data and i play her more patiently.

    • @noneyabizness6094
      @noneyabizness6094 Před 2 měsíci +6

      This has been my experience as well. If I go for the throat I get stuffed, but if I bide my time I usually connect.

    • @JacksonX94
      @JacksonX94 Před 2 měsíci +3

      I'm in the same boat, instead of trying to jam in your win you must be alittle more patient and I've had better results that way

    • @Papiness
      @Papiness Před 2 měsíci

      Do you agree with removing stuff like Storm kiln, Thassa, etc. in the deck to help winrate?

    • @wat_omy
      @wat_omy Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@Papiness I’m only running thoracle. The idea behind cutting it is sound but I’ve found it being an easy wincon keeping it in my list

  • @Savage_Mr_Bean14
    @Savage_Mr_Bean14 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I really like this format: showing card inclusion rate along with its win rate. Another possibility is that even though a majority of decks use a given card, it may actually be not optimal, but theres no good way to see that because theres not enough data where its excluded. I really want to see a deep dive into Nadu's includes when theres enough data!

  • @christophermurphy8117
    @christophermurphy8117 Před 29 dny +2

    CEDH Stella player here offering some perspective. Spot removal is nice, but it leads to stalled hands and inconsistency.
    The Izzet signet's downfall for me is the need to pay one to activate it. I don't know why, but having the extra land or rock tapped sometimes stalls me a turn.

  • @isaiaharmstrong1478
    @isaiaharmstrong1478 Před měsícem +4

    I'm suprised you didnt talk about twisted fealty, a card that actually wins on the spot with stella lee. Another interesting card is overmaster

    • @cedhtv
      @cedhtv  Před měsícem +2

      Yes that is a great card actully. Should have meantioned it.

  • @sytse_roos
    @sytse_roos Před 2 měsíci +4

    Hi Mons, Thinking about the statistics of win rates, I think we should be sceptical about an individual card having a large impact on the overal win rate. Even in a scenario "draw this card early/mid game, you won't win" there is just so much impact an individual card can have on the game. As an example, lets say we use 20 cards from the liberary, we have about 20% for an individual card to appear in your hand. In other words, at most (not realistic though) an individual card in this scenario can lower the overal win rate not more than 20%. In the case of stella lee this should be a maximum (again not realistic) of about 4% difference in overal win rate. More relevant might be; do 'better players' also select better/other cards? What does an inclusion of a card tell us about other cards included or play style? Things like 'selection bias' are really important to consider as well. Or else, I think there as is a risk people over value statistics. Btw, I really like your videos!

  • @WhoTFareyou2
    @WhoTFareyou2 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I have a top 4 and a top 16 on stella at two 120+ person events. I'm off the deck for now but I can confidently say that the deck is good people just don't play it correctly. It's basically a window theory deck. You try to shoot your shot at the most opportune time and present yourself as bot a threat at all other times. The deck heavily capitalized on the ability to point the finger at other threats that are actively doing things. Even a tymna looks like it's doing much more than stella. Meanwhile, if you're playing correctly, you're holding up a win the entire time.

  • @AimbotBrandon
    @AimbotBrandon Před 2 měsíci +3

    tidal bore protects the win. must play

  • @robertpfunder1757
    @robertpfunder1757 Před 2 měsíci

    Really useful video as I’m still playing her. Thanks.

  • @AresOMegas
    @AresOMegas Před 2 měsíci

    Great video Mons, the stats seem to back up the correct Stella deckbuilding theory! Interesting interesting
    Can you do one of these videos for Tevesh Kraum up next? I saw some interesting stats on the mind sculptors podcast, and your analysis could really help understand those better

  • @dimitriid
    @dimitriid Před 2 měsíci

    I wonder if eventually Stella Lee will stabilize at around the numbers Niv-Mizzet gets, feels that way but I honestly can't tell yet.

  • @Xeph0
    @Xeph0 Před měsícem +1

    I don’t understand why Stella doesn’t play haste enablers like some of the haste lands or cards like need for speed. Was watching old narset videos and thought about stella Lee

    • @cedhtv
      @cedhtv  Před měsícem +1

      I actully think Stella should play those lands aswell.

  • @Hordrasea
    @Hordrasea Před 2 měsíci

    I believe cast into the fire would do more then abrade!

  • @bigery1984
    @bigery1984 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Can you make stat of Ob Nixilis Kingpin too., It's my pet deck, lot of fun to play

    • @cedhtv
      @cedhtv  Před 2 měsíci

      I think I have done that a few times. But I guess an update could be good.

  • @0xFawful
    @0xFawful Před 2 měsíci

    Love the fucking stats videos! Keep it going

  • @user-qw3oh3dx1o
    @user-qw3oh3dx1o Před 2 měsíci

    8:18 gelectromancer on board, infinite damage

  • @eddipl5055
    @eddipl5055 Před 2 měsíci

    Stella been strong in my table with a good W/R, rest of the table does not understand how to handle SL

  • @tysanthecreator
    @tysanthecreator Před 2 měsíci

    Definitely expected better stats wow

  • @Inti.G.Olivares
    @Inti.G.Olivares Před 2 měsíci +1

    But who actually plays the deck in that brew or way?, it's like casual builds are decreasing its average win rate
    Lion's eye diamond is used with underworld breach and brain freeze as a combo, even jeska's will

  • @TripsAhoy
    @TripsAhoy Před 2 měsíci

    ❤❤❤

  • @BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh
    @BudgetPubStomper-lr7nh Před 2 měsíci +1

    The common arguments against wheels; your opponents draw (collectively) more cards than you do (this one honestly just kinda brain dead… it’s a one v one way to think
    The other (stats show you only win 45% of games when you cast a wheel😂😂😂
    They are good if not misused and better in some decks than others

    • @Lazydino59
      @Lazydino59 Před 2 měsíci

      This was a much more relevant argument 5-10 years ago when blue was the only *good* color at consistently gaining card advantage. These days well built decks have more cards than they know what to do with. Wheel stonks definitely went up significantly in the last 3-5 years

    • @Destrudo5359
      @Destrudo5359 Před 2 měsíci

      Three opponents are drawing aswell. Not good

  • @ferventalchemist
    @ferventalchemist Před 2 měsíci +1

    Tidal bore hater here