The "original line" is nearly 2 tenths slower | What did Xavi mean? | Onboard analysis
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- There was a misunderstanding during the final laps of the 2024 Chinese Grand Prix between Charles Leclerc and his race engineer Xavier Marcos Padros (Xavi). He couldn't explain clearly to Leclerc what line to run at turns 7 and 8. Let's analyze it! Onboard with telemetry and delta.
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"What did Xavi mean?" could very well become a series.
This must happen
Not anymore
We're checking.
We'll come back to you
Yeah right. If they told him to adjust his line and he did that you'd think they would be paying attention to whether or not he had improved.
@@GT_177I wish isolating 2 turns worth of telemetry to do the maths while the race is happening and all sorts of data is gathered at any split second was as easy as you make it sound.
😂😂
@@GT_177it took them 20 seconds to receive data from race control and compare statistics. Then verify to ensure they aren’t giving their driver inaccurate information. All before he’s even close to turn 7-8 again. I’m so confused what point you’re making.
"can you go faster? question?"
Blurring out all the advertisements is incredibly based.
Xavi’s inflection is ALWAYS a question. “Radio not good?” “We are checking?” “Well done?” “Good job?”
This is great breakdown of that communication. Still I think Xavi has been having communicaiton issue for a while. This is not the first time. His name is Xavi "we're checking" Marcos for a reason. I wish Fred could find someone better to replace Xavi.
Leclerc himself has decided to stay with Xavi
@@treapyoney5886 I know. Dude is too kind. I read somewhere they have good relationship. That maybe making it difficult for him to demand other engineer to work with.
Xavi has improved a lot, and "we are checking" is a very valid response (other engineers may not use the same words but they all need to confirm before responding to certain questions).
The original line was requested by the team for data gathering.
Xavi is probably related to some higher-up at ferrari. Un-fireable. Basically dude is probably some cousin of a ferrari bos, it's the only logical explanation to have someone THIS incompetent still be in ferrari.
well well well
Earned yourself a sub. This is good stuff, keep it up.
Same, just subscribed🙌. keep up the good work!!!
I wish isolating 2 turns worth of telemetry to do the maths while the race is happening and all sorts of data is gathered at any split second was as easy as people in the comments make it sound.
I don’t know whether it is or not but if the topic was brought up wouldn’t there be some concentration on those two turns as they’re coming up?
Xavi ask to do something to improved time... charles did , xavi didn't have the feedback immediatly. Something to work on still
You know that this information gets set back to base analyzed by people confirmed and then feedback is given to back to Xavi to give the driver. It's not an automatic feedback like a video-game where it tells you with no delay.
Are you new to Ferrari radio? 😅
Yea... Get rid of Xavi finally
@@jasper5878 as much as that is true it’s still bad communication. If you sit on bono/lewis gp/max radio you don’t have this. The race engineers job is to be the brain so that the driver can fully focus and trust blindly.
I promise you, if this was GP, directly after the tight line through 7 he would have come on the radio and give acknowledgement “thank you max” so that max can move on and focus. Here Leclerc has to ask for the result, if it’s better, and it seems like they wouldn’t even have checked it on their own. If they would have or not that feeling alone That’s bothersome. It would drive me nuts when I’m in a car in full focus and people behind me aren’t on their toes.
Lmfao wtf are you talking about
excellent analysis! some really informative stuff
Surely if you ask someone to try a change, you should feed back to them immediately after if the change was good.
you have no idea how a formula 1 team works, no concept of the exact time each radio discussion took place or what the engineering team was doing at that moment and you are ignorant AF thinking a bs comment like yours will trend due to the "lets mock Ferrari even if we have no clue what we are talking about".
You earned a new sub. Very good content
Awesome job man.
Very interesting analysis!
The lap 19 turning also set him up better for the following turn. He can ride his line almost directly to the break point of next turn.
Fcking great video, subbed.
Wow, this is worthy of being a paid pundit on a major TV network! Well done!
This is poor communication. Xavi tells him to try a new line at Turns 7 and 8 at Lap 18. And it is Charles who has to ask at Lap 20 whether there was a difference.
If you are going to ask someone to try something new, then the onus is on you to report bk to the person on what was the difference proactively, rather than wait.
@@GreedRuinsEverythinghe didn’t say he was checking. He said nothing after the improved line until Charles asked. That is POOR communication. Dude is together with Daniel’s RE the worst on the grid.
Excellent video
Great video
So Xavi was asking him to do the slower line in the last 2 laps?
Probably for data, he wasn't directly competing for positions so why not gather data for next year
Because when you loose grip due to degradation, you’re better off trying to maintain speed rather than hugging a tighter line
Just wanted a reason to say “we are checking” again
Top notch
It's useless to blur the sponsors, especially if you leave long gap between radios
Great
Good Videos 💪
Great video! Btw why do you blur the halo? Do the sponsors give you trouble? 😂
Probably wanted to get away from Liberty Media's DMCA agents
As someone who's done a lot of these videos in the past, it's probably to avoid takedowns. The algorithm have an easy time to detect the cars (position is constantly the same).
DMCA avoidance probably
I thought it was to focus the attention on the driver and wheel, turned out it wasn’t that bad decision, I was able to see the difference in lines better just looking at the wheel movements
Ferrari : It is hammer of time.
Lewis : You mean hammer time?
Ferrari : We'll get back to you.
So Xavi asked Charles to adjust his line to improve the laptime, and on the next lap when Charles asks for feedback that's somehow surprising and something he needs to check for?! Should be quite obvious to keep that information on hand...
U earned a subscriber in me
Can I just ask why blur out of all the car? It can't be for fear of copyright because you would use it over Heineken,Lenovo and all the other sponsors but you have left it clear on the thumbnail. Can you just explain why the blurred out image please thank you.
You answered your own question.
Its for copyright.
Sponsor logos dont matter, just add enough blur and you can generally do just fine.
Its not the sponsors that get you nuked, its using the footage in its raw form with 0 alterations that does that. Know this from experience.
Isn't this coaching? I thought coaching over the radio was banned?
Hey good vid, but I think maybe half of the .15 came from the oversteer correction.
Why is the car blurred? It is perfectly okay to show the car in a video, isnt it? Many channels do.
lap 17 was a good suggestion, last 2 lap idk if was ego or some internal discussions but was really unecessary, you already had a feedback early when he did the turn after faster with 1 lap older tyres
what app do you use to track all the team radio?
f1 tv has a channel that you can select to get onboard with any driver you want; and when onboard, you can hear all the team radios for that driver
That blurring out the car is ridiculous.
Copyright
@@zaksacc yes and it does help to focus on the track (with less elements on screen)
This is one of clear example of F1 is a team sport, driver can be better if they have best people surround them, otherwise they need to cover their teammates mistakes
Wasn't that prohibited long time ago, to teach the drivers via radio how to drive?? To tell him that he is loosing time in a specific corner should be fine, but telling how to drive the corner shouldn't.
They removed the restrictions, teams unanimously voted against it in 2016 itself.
@@SundarSrinivasHarish thanks for the explanation, once I followed F1 closely, than it became boring.... 😉
if you pass everyone you finish p1
New yellisteiner in sight
What's the song called?
I Had a Feeling - TrackTribe
from the CZcams library
@@RacingTelemetry thanks 👍
Wow so that’s what was going on. I suspect Alonso would be able to understand the instruction.
I thought Driver Coaching got banned in the Mid 2010s??
well he had a snap of oversteer on lap 17, bad data to compare.
why is it blurred
copyright issues
Aliens
I thought teams were not allowed to tell drivers how to drive? Does asking for a tighter line in specific corners not count?
Teams tell drivers how to drive all the time.
Rosberg get penalized because merc engineer tell him the setting for his car even for safety reason
@@rizkysetiadi4191That was over ten years ago. You can inform the driver now.
I used to think I wanted to race in F1 but then you realize it comes down to things you can't even feel really, and that just zaps the fun out of it for me.
That makes it even more interesting to me, an engineer.
@@jacobhiller6731ditto
Doesn’t that make it more exciting?
Because you're the driver doesn't mean you're everything.
This kind of interactions shows that even someone who isn't driving the car can get you to improve.
It's teamwork, it's awesome to see and quite exciting to know you're probably still far from your limits.
Anyways, would be quite interesting to watch a race without radios these days
Once again asking what the song is
I Had a Feeling - TrackTribe
from the CZcams library
pit cant coach them the racing line can they??
He means Koka line
Could you do Mercedes vs red bull to see how bad merc are compared to red bull
Would it be interesting to you all?
@@RacingTelemetry yes it will be really interesting to see the gains and the the pure strengths of red bull shadows the struggling Merc plague with confusing with the car and show the true weakness of their car
No one cares about Mercedes anymore :D
i dont think this is better overall, destroying the front left tyre even more... this corner is not that important
How does xavi never have answers?
Xavi is sainz race engineer in disguise ❤
The tighter shallower line is what Max drivers. The wider entry is what most drivers like Perez, Hamilton and Sainz drive. Leclerc is probably the closest to Max in terms of driving technique. Very similar to Schumacher.
i think a f1 driver should do this for himself finding the fastest line . But good content!
How tf is he gonna confirm his laptimes without asking???
@@kunaljain3196 i mean his dash shows the delta so he can see where he is faster or slower
wait, wasn`t this illegal? The team telling the driver the exact line, or telling too much details like tire temperature..
i thought so too there was a specific wording like the team couldn't help the driver which is why hamilton's engineer couldn't tell him about his brake magic being on
i found an article saying that "driver coaching" will be banned and there was regulations put in place for what the engineers can say but it says this " *These are the only messages that may be passed to the driver, whilst he is in the car and on the track, from the time the car leaves the garage for the first time after the pit lane is open on the day of the race until the start of the race." so they can coach them during races?
They are allowed to tell stuff like this but not coaching by telling him exactly where to brake what setting to use with each corner, brake bias of each lap…
@@Redlingstein but how is telling them what line to take not coaching?
that was good from Xavi
Radio not good Can you repeat, please?
Charles: 7-8 is better, no?
Xavi: We'll come back to you...
Xavi has been doing this since 2019 blud 💀
I still don't get the joke to put the guy with the worst English on the radio.
He's there for years. The joke is getting old.
The pits telling the drivers how to drive shouldn't be a thing. I thought this was gonna be banned. Then those that complained were those who can't do the driving without instructions .
This needs to be consigned to the past .
This exactly shows why Leclerc isn’t beating Sainz as much as 2022. Since 2023 Ferrari switched to a more oversteery car, he can’t drive 100% his driving style (braking late while finding good rotation). He needs to sacrifice more the entry to get a better exit.
"We'll get back to you".. I mean, this man is just incompetent. You were trying to fix something very specific: Turn 8 and therefore 7. You asked for changes. How are you NOT MONITORING THOSE CHANGES SO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER READY TO THE QUESTION YOU COULD SEE COMING FROM MILES AWAY.
Man, fire this guy.
Copy we are checking
If that isn't typical Ferrari I don't know what is.
Ask for a change.
Driver makes change, then asks for input.
Ferrari responding like they forgot.
They have that data in realtime. Lol. Bunch of clowns. I hope Lewis is ok with stepping into that.
Non capisco perche, a distanza di anni, ancora abbiamo Xavi come tecnico di pista 🤷🏽♂️
Micro driving managements is a cancer of modern formula 1, Peter Windsor is 100% right about it.
You don't tell a driver that has as good a feeling as Leclerc which line to take, you're only going to cramp his style and confuse him, have confidence in his talent and let him understand the car.
Lando did well when he shut off his engineer about his engine braking nonsense to reduce understeer, even Rosberg on Skysport called that out saying Norris was right.
same Lando nowins that shut off his engineer for inter tyres 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He gained time tho???
Okay, but his laptime improved. Coaches are normal in all sports. If Peter Windsor does not like coaches in Formula 1 then he'll be hard pressed to find a sport that does not.
@@theonlylolkingcoaching is good but coaching while playing is the problem. 😀😀😅😅
the race engineer thats entire job is to help the driver and aid them, but doing exactly that is "cancer." 2 tenths a lap is a large margin, especially for one corner complex. Ferrari thought they could beat Norris because usually McLaren are slower, so why do you think its so stupid to want to gain as much time as possible.
One of the many small differences between Redbull and Ferrari. Ferrari pilots have to ask the race engineer for feedback.
Just blur the whole car. I don't need to see it.
Xavi needs to be replaced
sub+1
Xavi needs to be fired, he's so incompetent
Go slower to go quicker 😉
7 8 should be the next 90° corners...
i absolutely see no difference in the lines in those two laps only grip level differs.
I should have pointed it out in the video but I thought it was more obvious than it seems to be. See the positioning just before he steers to the right. It is most obvious there.
@@RacingTelemetry i mean ya he kind of opened up the corner a bit more. But the thing is in wet you usually want to stay away from normal racing line and him not doing it before he got the suggestion just showed that he was being careful but i bet the mclaren had more performance in that part of the track.
Look at the right car, he keeps away from the right kerb
Hamilton passed 3 or 4 cars into 8 by going wide in 7. He liked the wider line.
That’s not the same…. Overtaking or driving the fastest lap you can 😂😂😂😂
Just say racing line for fk
Fu*k these fake GP
We need the return of Germany GP France GP
France gp is shit
China GP is a great track!!! A real racers track! All drivers love it!
i'm baffled how a professional racing driver can't figure out this on his own...