Rytlock got Sohothin by stealing it from the Flame Legion Charr who had dug it up from the rubble at the Mouth of Abaddon, where we left it in GW1. He got mist powers from spending too much time in the mists looking for Sohothin. But yeah, Balthazar is the one who made the blade, so he restored it to manipulate Rytlock into freeing him.
Really man, you made me fall in love with the lore of Guild Wars. Every video just gets me more amazed with Tyria and the game. You created a whole new perspective when I play. Thank you!
I think it's the reforged Magdaer being used to break the curse, since we haven't seen it since Eir took the broken blade to have it repaired in AC story.
I think it's because Mordremoth can attack pretty much anywhere, and maybe he wants to take care of the threat of the Ascalonian ghosts attacking, as well? I doubt they'd come to the aid of the Charr, since they're bound by blind hatred in their curse. I guess we'll have to wait to see for certain, though!
rytlock is the most openminded charr i know of. he's one of the few blood legion soldiers who would even try the ash legion's way of doing this. he was part of an interracial group (destiny's edge) before the war with the humans was over. i haven't seen a single charr except rytlock be so openminded
I love your mysteries videos, but this might be my favourite one yet since it's such a core plot element with a lot of unanswered questions. Additionally, I didn't play very much guild wars 1, so the plot, especially the minor details, are often easily forgotten for me.
Very, very interesting mystery. I am looking forward to seing many of those questions answered. I find Rytlock Brimstone a very interesting character and i hope we will be seeing more stories tied to him.
Love this Gw2 mystery! The best for me since : - it ties with so important characters and histories - solving it could mean so many important and exciting things!
Perhaps with Zhaitan dead, the champions were able to develop a will of their own. Glint was able to break free after all. They are the minions with intelligence of their own, as opposed to just the mindless zombies, which are gradually thinning out. But perhaps Tequatl decided, fuck it, Zhaitan's dead, so I'll just rule the world myself.
Np :) & Yup, it's still ~25€ for the triology + ~15€ for Eye of the North, which you need to unlock your Hall of Monuments. But you don't have to buy EotN right away, you can just finish the others first, collect achivements & items & display them later.
Hey WP, rewatch this video and consider the events of season 2 and this potentiality. How much do we really know about the stone warband? the only members we know about are Rytlock and Rox. Rytlock accepted Rox into the warband knowing full well that she was working with the forming Destiny's edge 2.0 and knew that she would understand and fit in with his warband. The name of the warband is also curious. You posit that one of the more likely creatures to have recovered the sword was a dwarf. Do you think it's possible that the stone warband contains or at least works very closely with dwarves to an extent that it influences the naming of the warband? It would certainly explain why Rytlock distanced himself from them when advancing in the ranks as it would be very uncharrlike to be in such a warband. Use this question for a qanda or lore talk as you see fit :)
its worth noting that if you are a char with an honorable sire the level 20 quest takes you on a journey to recover your fathers ascalonian valuable loot rytlock seems to have a special intrest in this, he grants your war band leave to go after this artifact, he asks to come along tribune of the blood legion, recovering your dads loot with a lowly legionnaire? its as if hes looking for something in ascalon, perhaps the twin sword as freeing up the lands of ascalon would probably earn him title of khan-ur, parhaps the pact will be broken and the kings heirs kidnapped, parhaps Logan will do it in exchange for the swords either way perhaps sohothin would teleport to reunite with mahagdir in ascalon, giving rytlock a chance to recover it
Good point actually, I can't remember why I had the idea that it was old dead too. Maybe one of those ghosts reanacting the great northern wall mission in Gw1, who died. But I've annotated it.
Not having really played GW1 I'd assumed that Sohothin was found by Rytlock in the ruins of Ascalon. That the blade was actually lost in the Fire Island Chain makes it MUCH more interesting!
I'd never heard that first part about the origins of those swords before. I always thought that it might make for some interesting lore drama if the Iron Legion kept working out and found a way to 'contain' the ghosts forever as they seem to be doing, but then there were other groups, maybe humans or even humans and charr that felt that would be cruel and should be 'freed' in some way, like via these swords. Then whether or not the legions should care about ghosts and such could be built up.
GW1 only got so large after several years, remember. GW2's accessible map is a little smaller than the original Prophecies though. There are plenty of hints to future expansion already in the game though, like the mysterious unreachable portal in Brisban Wildlands to the Maguuma Wastes, and the Desert Gate at Ebonhawke leading out to the Crystal Desert. Cantha and Elona may come after some years.... I hope!
Building on my last comment, my guess at the events that gets Sohothin into Rytlock's hands goes like this... Devona recovers Sohothin from Undead Rurik's grasp after he is defeated by the player. At around the time of "The Last Day Dawns" (quest), she returns Sohothin to King Adelbern, who locks it away in the royal vaults in Ascalon. Centuries later, Rytlock discovers the royal vaults and loots the sword.
I had the same thought. I think the guy you mean is called Beigarth the Smith. minor spoiler: Eir definitely knows him because she introduces him at one point in the Norn personal story. He is the guy, who searches for a way to craft a sword that has the ability to shatter the Tooth of Jormag, which may turn out to be one of the fiery twin swords, who knows. He also later joins the pact on Trahearnes request, so he is definitely a capable man. He never mentions Magdaer though...
The "norn blacksmith" Eir will have given Magdaer to will be Beigarth. I've played all the norn personal story stuff and Beigarth is quite the smith... lately he's rediscovered the secret of Deldrimor steel, and was one of Scarlet's tutors.
So I just happened to wonder about how related to this the announcement trailer for HoT might be. It opens with Rytlock journeying into the Maguuma and opening a gate into a large golden city (suspected Mursaat, of course). Now, this could be just a theatrical touch, showing off the new Rytlock opening the gates into the new expansion. Or, we could speculate... Suppose this is a legitimate story element? What if Rytlock had been there before? This is a rough theory I'm entertaining. Suppose, long ago, something happened to younger Rytlock's warband. [Would this also bear implications for the pain of Logan's desertion, as perhaps Rytlock has survived something similar in the past with his original warband? What if Rytlock was the deserter in the past and that's how he survived? Blind speculation is the best I have, of course...] Rytlock becomes a gladium; ridden with shame, he chooses distant adventure to distance himself from his past life or some such, and somehow finds the Mursaat city. Perhaps through a pre-conceived quest to find Sohothin (and regain some measure of his pride) by tracking scattered historical notes, or just by random chance, who knows. In any case, he finds this Mursaat city in the Maguuma, which lo and behold has a portal to the Fire Islands; while there, he manages to find Sohothin and thereafter return to Ascalon. A past visit to such a Mursaat city could explain how he would get to the Fire Islands to retrieve the sword, which could also be a reference for his name, Brimstone--supposing he did indeed lose his original warband beforehand and therefore eventually received a new surname. Also, if his retrieval of Sohothin was related to some dishonorable period of his life, perhaps he would prefer to shrug off questions thereabout as thewaterguy17 mentions. Or, after returning from the Mists, he is simply guided to the Mursaat city somehow by the Mists and everything becomes a bit more boring. ...Eh, that's the best I've got.
Two things. First: In the Norn personal story mission chain "A Weapon of Legend" you meet Beigarth the Blacksmith, who is trying to forge a weapon capable of shattering the Fang of Jormag. He is probably the one Eir believes can restore the fire blade. Second: Do we know what Rytlock has done to earn his "Brimstone" epithet? It certainly seems a fitting name for someone who has braved the dangers of the Fire Islands and returned with a legendary blade in paw.
I don't think destroyers drawing power from Sohothin's flames necessarily means Sohothin has a relation to Primordus, but rather that fire isn't how you fight a destroyer. A concept we should be familiar with: If I remember correctly, destroyers took less damage from fire attacks and were immune to burning in GW1. Hell, even regular Flame Legion charr drew power from flames according to "The Nolani Academy Of Arcane Arts".
I checked up on 1- myself. She had a name change and on wiki you can see it happened with Tequatl Rising. She's allegedly a junior member or provisional member in the Stone warband now.
Glint may not have been able to see past her death, but could at least see Destiny's Edge (-Logan) holding their own and Snaff progressing well with his invention. Glint then hid SoO & Sohothin conveniently to ensure Destiny's Edge got as strong as they did. The fight may have been a final gamble on whether they would succeed based on her test in the book, or a belief that wounding Kralkattorik would give time for the "almighty" Trahearne to mature.
3rd possibility re Rythlok vs Logan, he may not know it is the real one but considers it an affront that a charr would even wield a replica. After all, the charr does that as an insult to Ascalon, right?
Maybe the swords washed up on the beach of Orr, from the Ring of Fire, and that's why maybe the Orrians put less value to it and gave it away for that reason. I also think that more information about Rytlock's warband will be given to us in CoW
Ghosts of Ascalon novel says that Magdaer was destroyed in clash with Claw of Khan-Ur, not by Adelbern alone. But i haven't finished it yet so i may be wrong... ""When the two weapons met, the energies within both exploded in a great jet of power that was seen from the Shiverpeaks themselves." "The Foefire", said Killen"
Its so sad to see that something so interesting in the plot could be put on hold or potentially forgotten by Anet for character we have never even heard about in the series. I wanna see answers to these question way more than I wanna see any new dungeons or raids. Your sitting on a gold mine here Anet.
You say that Sohothin was left at the RoF chain, but I just went and watched the end cinematic where the sword didn't get a scene. I think this means that it is not safe to assume that it was left in the RoF. Instead it may have been teleported through the same magic that teleported the Scepter of Orr. Glint hid SoO for Livia to find and Livia helped keep the Krytan Royals alive. Maybe Glint hid Sohothin for Rytlock to find as she already foresaw Destiny's Edge take on Kralkatorrik.
How Rytlock (may) have gotten the sword: Scenario A: He may have been formerly Flame Legion and used his fire powers to go to the fire island to get the fire sword and be the fire king. Scenario B: When Orr rose, the resulting tsunami splattered the fire island chain and washed Sohothin into the Sea of Sorrows, Rytlock went for a walk on a beach somewhere and found it. Scenario C: Rytlock went to the fire island and picked it up? He's voiced by Steve Blum so he's automatically badass.
Its so sad to see that something so interesting in the plot could be put on hold or potentially forgotten by Anet for character's we have never heard about. I wanna see answers to these question way more than I wanna see any new dungeons or raids. Your sitting on a gold mine here Anet.
logan should know that Prince Rurik was killed by Dagnar Stonepate over the Shiverpeak Mountains so the only plausible reason for him to mention that Rytlock looted Sohothin from ascalon is knowing of someone trying to reunite the twin swords before Eir... or a massive lack of knowledge
I've always thought it odd that the ritual which cleanses the Foefire may only be triggered by a "true heir" to Ascalon. If the magic is Orrian (which it may not even be, as you noted in the video), how does it decide who the "true heir" of a completely different nation is? Is it decided by Adelbern's will, the one who initiated the Foefire? If the magic is indeed of human origin, might it still permit a charr to use its magic, considering the charr are the rightful (and current) rulers of the land? Would the Khan-Ur, if one appeared, be able to cleanse the Foefire? And simmering below all of this surface detail, we can pay extra attention to the events 250 years ago: much of Pre-Searing was focused on the Royalists' struggle to overthrow King Adelbern, who had been given the crown as a recognition of his military achievements, and restore the royal bloodline of Barradin. Could it be that the 'true king' of Ascalon was Barradin all along, and the Foefire is literally a curse brought upon the nation because Magdaer's power had been invoked by a usurper? There is, of course, the subplot where Rurik and Althea - Barradin's daughter, as you know - were supposed to unite the two families, thus ending the Royalist uprising. Is it at all possible that in the 2 years between the Searing and Althea's kidnapping, she bore Rurik a child? Could Barradin's (and Adelbern's, I suppose) bloodline still live on in contemporary Tyria, and would that descendant qualify as the "true heir" of Ascalon?
1- rox isn't part of the stone warband yet. she's trying her damn best to do it, but she hasn't been accepted yet. 2- logan doesn't have to know about the fire islands chain. far as he knows, sohothin was in ascalon all along until rytlock showed up with it.
So sorry for 4 comments in a row but I thought of another thing... One of the ascended trinkets you can get is Rurik's Royal Signet Ring, which makes me wonder if Devona brought Rurik's entire body back for a proper burial back in Ascalon?! If not, adding his signet ring to the sword she recovered doesn't seem too far fetched. Given there's a Rurik armour set AND the ring, perhaps it WAS his entire body that was recovered, and returned to Ascalon.
What about the Scepter of Orr? After it disappeared from the Fire Islands it was found. The end cinematic of Eye of the North clearly shows Livia finding it. Livia was a member of the Shining Blade and wanted to reunite Kryta. Could that be why you don't see many Risen around Kryta? Livia used the Scepter's power to drive off the undead that were plaguing Kryta, and through the ages it has been passed down by the Shining Blade, meaning that it could still be hidden somewhere. Probably by Anise.
When Logan said that Rytlok looted the sword from Ascalon I think he's just saying that the sword belongs with the people of Ascalon, thus he metaphorically "stole" it from them. But yeah, that dropped plot thread at the end of AC was really disappointing. I was hoping Eir would give that sword to Logan at some point, like in Arah, but NOPE. Everyone forgot about it :/ Do the norn have a lost and found office somewhere that I can visit? Maybe it's there...
If considering what mortal might have traversed the fire Island Chain and recovered Sohothin there is one really obvious possibility even thought we can't be sure how much he can really be considered 'canon'. I'm talking , of course, about Nicholas Sandfort - known as the traveler. We do know that he traveled to almost unreachable places of the world such as the desolation. We also know that he collects items everywhere he goes and also that he gifts items. Now of course Nicholas died in 1110 AE and while we don't know the actual age of Rytlock we do know that charr age roughly as fast or slow as humans, so its rather unlikely that he was born long before ..say 1270 or 1280 - over 150 years after Nicholas death. But Nicholas might ahve given it to a charr who passed it down - or might have hidden it close to his final place of rest: Ebon Hawk, a city that has been udner siege by charr...
+ricky222rofl I actually found further evidence for my theory in the expansion: If you buy a lore book called "there with Yakkington: A travelers Tale Prologue" from Zinn's Print-o-matic it'll read on page 4: "Still nothing compares to our trip to the ring of fire islands! Not only did we end up in the shadow of an activ vulcano, we also arrived during the Titan assault agaisnt the Mursaat." Now one migth say that is nothing new, because when you wereon the island that holds the gate of khomali there was always the assault going on. But we never really knew how nickolas sandfords appearance would tie into the cronology of the game. Well now we know for certain: he was right there when the sword was lost.
On the other hand you may be right there! Cause by saying: 'I sense Sohothin's presence nearby Rurik u have returned!' he does confirm the fact of giving Rurik the real sword. I presume that's what you ment, if so then I can see that now! =) Good find!
Maybe it were the Flame Legion in cooperation with the Dredge who retrieved the sword through some underground tunneling and Rytlock stole it. And in the living story they're bundeling forces again to get it back. That would give a whole other turn to the Flame and Frost Story. =p
I suspect the story of Sohothin to be told in future. It seems many of the members of EDs' backstory will be told in the living story. Caithes secret, Eirs son, Rytlock and Sohothin, Logan and Zojja i don't know.
No. Jormag's Breath is a reference to the Icy Dragon Sword in GW1, which was just a blue Fiery Dragon Sword. It's a remake of the IDS to better separate it from the FDS and to be more GW2 related. The vast majority of weapons, skins, and armors have nothing to do with the lore and are there to just be shiny.
Seeing how with every new episode,you remind us of the multitude of unfinisished storylines, I am concerned whether or nor Arenanet are having a "masterplan" for the story/lore of the world or are just adding on stuff wherever need be. Because the living story is so rapidly moving the status-quo of the world forwards, they would now need to find a way to tie in some of the more recent events (e.g. Rox joins Rytlock) into the mysteries' conclusions to make them consistent with the world.
hmmm if Magdaer and Sohothin are relics of Primordus maybe the Scepter of Orr is a relic of Zaihtan (as it's all about undead). I can't think of any other relics though... Btw I think Eir is implying she's going to give it to Beigarth. It's not said anywhere but he is the only norn blacksmith we've met that's into old forging methods and fixing relics. I could be wrong though. Ty for vid :)
I think you broke my brain a little bit, because now I'm trying to figure this out. I do think that anet has given these characters a bit too much potential. It doesn't seem as if they even remember all this mystery that they've put into their characters. If they have someone write another book with this kinda thing, then yay! I'll gladly buy it. But they can't really do anything ingame concerning Sohothin or even Rytlock.
Tequatal is slowly morphing k to Zhaitan, or new version at least. The chances of one of the old races not killing one of them is incredibly low, so either there used to be more, or a champion becomes the new elder dragon.
Interesting that you mention he may be more important to the story than the others of Destiny's Edge, especially now since he is lost in the mists... looks like you were right. Also lets see a mysteries about Caithe, that girl is full of mystery.
This is interesting, this makes me think of where the game might go forward in the living story... we have seen Scarlet go to Caithe with claiming she knows her past, maybe next we will see her go into the Catacombs and say the same about Rytlock.. maybe she is trying to get to Destinys Edge by past events? idk just a thought, i mean we still dont know to much about any of them really... What do yall think?
How did you get Sohothin? Doesn't Matter
How did you get your mist powers? Doesn't Matter
Damn it Rytlock.
well at least we know the answer now. Balthazar gave it to him.
@@shinazu_k or revived the fire
Would have been even worse had he told the truth: Anet didn't bother to think about it.
Rytlock got Sohothin by stealing it from the Flame Legion Charr who had dug it up from the rubble at the Mouth of Abaddon, where we left it in GW1. He got mist powers from spending too much time in the mists looking for Sohothin. But yeah, Balthazar is the one who made the blade, so he restored it to manipulate Rytlock into freeing him.
@@creativedesignation7880 They expanded upon it in the books.
Really man, you made me fall in love with the lore of Guild Wars. Every video just gets me more amazed with Tyria and the game. You created a whole new perspective when I play. Thank you!
Dude I love your story telling... its fantastic to just sit back and listen too...
cant wait for the next one!!!
Looks like next week Sohothin is back. Awesome.
Looks like it! I'm watching this right now :D
I think it's the reforged Magdaer being used to break the curse, since we haven't seen it since Eir took the broken blade to have it repaired in AC story.
I think it's because Mordremoth can attack pretty much anywhere, and maybe he wants to take care of the threat of the Ascalonian ghosts attacking, as well? I doubt they'd come to the aid of the Charr, since they're bound by blind hatred in their curse. I guess we'll have to wait to see for certain, though!
Video's like these get me so excited for EOD, and what new lore we'll discover.
That's really wierd considering how the most recent visual podcast went (we recorded earlier, its not online yet)
That Morrowind Music in the background xD
Revanmightspear Revan thought i was the only one who noticed it xD
+Revanmightspear Revan I had to turn up the volume for a moment, just to confirm I heard it.
Love these stories WP, hope anet watches them aswell. I miss the gw1 lore in gw2.
rytlock is rurik's reincarnation
dun dun duuuun
lol
3 yrs later and i am considering it too.
might be the best video of this series yet. maybe it's not the most exciting mystery, but the way you presented it is simply gorgeous!
GW2 Mysteries are my favorite of your videos!! Thank you for making them!
Excellent video, game me whole new perspective to look at ascalonian catacombs, rytlock and other characters, thanks!
Great job on the video, really brought back a lot of memories!
Rox is a provisional member of the Stone Warband, you can see that even in April patchnotes is called Rox Whetstone.
By the Gods WP you make this game come to life every time for me great job!!
Thank you Reddit for pointing me to this video! I'm that much more stoked for Dragon's Reach now!
rytlock is the most openminded charr i know of. he's one of the few blood legion soldiers who would even try the ash legion's way of doing this. he was part of an interracial group (destiny's edge) before the war with the humans was over. i haven't seen a single charr except rytlock be so openminded
I love your mysteries videos, but this might be my favourite one yet since it's such a core plot element with a lot of unanswered questions. Additionally, I didn't play very much guild wars 1, so the plot, especially the minor details, are often easily forgotten for me.
Please keep doing these. I love em!
Love these videos.. even if they make me sad we're getting pretty much none of this as content in GW2 right now.
Very, very interesting mystery. I am looking forward to seing many of those questions answered. I find Rytlock Brimstone a very interesting character and i hope we will be seeing more stories tied to him.
Your videos are very entertaining. Great presentation of the lore!
I like the way you did this!
And I had completely forgotten about the two sword xD
i enjoy watching your guild wars mysteries & lore video more than playing the game :P
Love this Gw2 mystery! The best for me since :
- it ties with so important characters and histories
- solving it could mean so many important and exciting things!
Perhaps with Zhaitan dead, the champions were able to develop a will of their own. Glint was able to break free after all. They are the minions with intelligence of their own, as opposed to just the mindless zombies, which are gradually thinning out. But perhaps Tequatl decided, fuck it, Zhaitan's dead, so I'll just rule the world myself.
Thiese series are to good WP you rock!
Bravo Sir. I love this series. I imagine they take a while to write, research, etc... I am looking forward to more and more of them.
I love these GW2 mystery videos, feel free to keep them coming!
Np :) & Yup, it's still ~25€ for the triology + ~15€ for Eye of the North, which you need to unlock your Hall of Monuments. But you don't have to buy EotN right away, you can just finish the others first, collect achivements & items & display them later.
Hey WP, rewatch this video and consider the events of season 2 and this potentiality. How much do we really know about the stone warband? the only members we know about are Rytlock and Rox. Rytlock accepted Rox into the warband knowing full well that she was working with the forming Destiny's edge 2.0 and knew that she would understand and fit in with his warband. The name of the warband is also curious. You posit that one of the more likely creatures to have recovered the sword was a dwarf. Do you think it's possible that the stone warband contains or at least works very closely with dwarves to an extent that it influences the naming of the warband? It would certainly explain why Rytlock distanced himself from them when advancing in the ranks as it would be very uncharrlike to be in such a warband. Use this question for a qanda or lore talk as you see fit :)
After years, Rytlock requiem short story finally solved Sohotin mystery. It's hella interesting.
She is in the warband, her name has changed in-game to include stone in it.
its worth noting that if you are a char with an honorable sire the level 20 quest takes you on a journey to recover your fathers ascalonian valuable loot rytlock seems to have a special intrest in this, he grants your war band leave to go after this artifact, he asks to come along
tribune of the blood legion, recovering your dads loot with a lowly legionnaire?
its as if hes looking for something in ascalon, perhaps the twin sword as freeing up the lands of ascalon would probably earn him title of khan-ur, parhaps the pact will be broken and the kings heirs kidnapped, parhaps Logan will do it in exchange for the swords
either way perhaps sohothin would teleport to reunite with mahagdir in ascalon, giving rytlock a chance to recover it
I love how the Morrowind theme is quietly playing in the background, so appropriate
Good point actually, I can't remember why I had the idea that it was old dead too. Maybe one of those ghosts reanacting the great northern wall mission in Gw1, who died. But I've annotated it.
Not having really played GW1 I'd assumed that Sohothin was found by Rytlock in the ruins of Ascalon. That the blade was actually lost in the Fire Island Chain makes it MUCH more interesting!
I'd never heard that first part about the origins of those swords before. I always thought that it might make for some interesting lore drama if the Iron Legion kept working out and found a way to 'contain' the ghosts forever as they seem to be doing, but then there were other groups, maybe humans or even humans and charr that felt that would be cruel and should be 'freed' in some way, like via these swords. Then whether or not the legions should care about ghosts and such could be built up.
GW1 only got so large after several years, remember. GW2's accessible map is a little smaller than the original Prophecies though. There are plenty of hints to future expansion already in the game though, like the mysterious unreachable portal in Brisban Wildlands to the Maguuma Wastes, and the Desert Gate at Ebonhawke leading out to the Crystal Desert. Cantha and Elona may come after some years.... I hope!
Love it when I hear Elder Scrolls music in GW videos and still seems to belong. (Love Jeremy Soule's music)
I love your vids! amazing work
Building on my last comment, my guess at the events that gets Sohothin into Rytlock's hands goes like this...
Devona recovers Sohothin from Undead Rurik's grasp after he is defeated by the player. At around the time of "The Last Day Dawns" (quest), she returns Sohothin to King Adelbern, who locks it away in the royal vaults in Ascalon. Centuries later, Rytlock discovers the royal vaults and loots the sword.
I had the same thought. I think the guy you mean is called Beigarth the Smith. minor spoiler: Eir definitely knows him because she introduces him at one point in the Norn personal story. He is the guy, who searches for a way to craft a sword that has the ability to shatter the Tooth of Jormag, which may turn out to be one of the fiery twin swords, who knows. He also later joins the pact on Trahearnes request, so he is definitely a capable man. He never mentions Magdaer though...
and now we wait until Sunday... damn you two. Can not wait
Episode 3 from Living World Trailer-> Guild Wars 2 - The Dragon's Reach: Part 1
i think the mysteries around sohothin will get some explanation
The "norn blacksmith" Eir will have given Magdaer to will be Beigarth. I've played all the norn personal story stuff and Beigarth is quite the smith... lately he's rediscovered the secret of Deldrimor steel, and was one of Scarlet's tutors.
Keep it up WP those lore videos are the best.
So I just happened to wonder about how related to this the announcement trailer for HoT might be. It opens with Rytlock journeying into the Maguuma and opening a gate into a large golden city (suspected Mursaat, of course). Now, this could be just a theatrical touch, showing off the new Rytlock opening the gates into the new expansion. Or, we could speculate...
Suppose this is a legitimate story element? What if Rytlock had been there before? This is a rough theory I'm entertaining. Suppose, long ago, something happened to younger Rytlock's warband. [Would this also bear implications for the pain of Logan's desertion, as perhaps Rytlock has survived something similar in the past with his original warband? What if Rytlock was the deserter in the past and that's how he survived? Blind speculation is the best I have, of course...] Rytlock becomes a gladium; ridden with shame, he chooses distant adventure to distance himself from his past life or some such, and somehow finds the Mursaat city. Perhaps through a pre-conceived quest to find Sohothin (and regain some measure of his pride) by tracking scattered historical notes, or just by random chance, who knows. In any case, he finds this Mursaat city in the Maguuma, which lo and behold has a portal to the Fire Islands; while there, he manages to find Sohothin and thereafter return to Ascalon.
A past visit to such a Mursaat city could explain how he would get to the Fire Islands to retrieve the sword, which could also be a reference for his name, Brimstone--supposing he did indeed lose his original warband beforehand and therefore eventually received a new surname. Also, if his retrieval of Sohothin was related to some dishonorable period of his life, perhaps he would prefer to shrug off questions thereabout as thewaterguy17 mentions.
Or, after returning from the Mists, he is simply guided to the Mursaat city somehow by the Mists and everything becomes a bit more boring.
...Eh, that's the best I've got.
Two things. First: In the Norn personal story mission chain "A Weapon of Legend" you meet Beigarth the Blacksmith, who is trying to forge a weapon capable of shattering the Fang of Jormag. He is probably the one Eir believes can restore the fire blade.
Second: Do we know what Rytlock has done to earn his "Brimstone" epithet? It certainly seems a fitting name for someone who has braved the dangers of the Fire Islands and returned with a legendary blade in paw.
I don't think destroyers drawing power from Sohothin's flames necessarily means Sohothin has a relation to Primordus, but rather that fire isn't how you fight a destroyer. A concept we should be familiar with: If I remember correctly, destroyers took less damage from fire attacks and were immune to burning in GW1. Hell, even regular Flame Legion charr drew power from flames according to "The Nolani Academy Of Arcane Arts".
I checked up on 1- myself. She had a name change and on wiki you can see it happened with Tequatl Rising. She's allegedly a junior member or provisional member in the Stone warband now.
I would call this living very comfortably.
Glint may not have been able to see past her death, but could at least see Destiny's Edge (-Logan) holding their own and Snaff progressing well with his invention.
Glint then hid SoO & Sohothin conveniently to ensure Destiny's Edge got as strong as they did. The fight may have been a final gamble on whether they would succeed based on her test in the book, or a belief that wounding Kralkattorik would give time for the "almighty" Trahearne to mature.
I was half expecting MattVisual to pop in at the end and say "He has no pants!"
I'm sure you get this all the time WB, but you have such a yummy voice! Thanks for another great video. Can't wait to see more mysteries =)
3rd possibility re Rythlok vs Logan, he may not know it is the real one but considers it an affront that a charr would even wield a replica. After all, the charr does that as an insult to Ascalon, right?
Maybe the swords washed up on the beach of Orr, from the Ring of Fire, and that's why maybe the Orrians put less value to it and gave it away for that reason. I also think that more information about Rytlock's warband will be given to us in CoW
Ghosts of Ascalon novel says that Magdaer was destroyed in clash with Claw of Khan-Ur, not by Adelbern alone. But i haven't finished it yet so i may be wrong...
""When the two weapons met, the energies within both exploded in a great jet of power that was seen from the Shiverpeaks themselves."
"The Foefire", said Killen"
It's funny watching it after all these years. I can see clearly how much catnet dropped old plot points
Its so sad to see that something so interesting in the plot could be put on hold or potentially forgotten by Anet for character we have never even heard about in the series. I wanna see answers to these question way more than I wanna see any new dungeons or raids. Your sitting on a gold mine here Anet.
You say that Sohothin was left at the RoF chain, but I just went and watched the end cinematic where the sword didn't get a scene. I think this means that it is not safe to assume that it was left in the RoF. Instead it may have been teleported through the same magic that teleported the Scepter of Orr.
Glint hid SoO for Livia to find and Livia helped keep the Krytan Royals alive. Maybe Glint hid Sohothin for Rytlock to find as she already foresaw Destiny's Edge take on Kralkatorrik.
How Rytlock (may) have gotten the sword:
Scenario A: He may have been formerly Flame Legion and used his fire powers to go to the fire island to get the fire sword and be the fire king.
Scenario B: When Orr rose, the resulting tsunami splattered the fire island chain and washed Sohothin into the Sea of Sorrows, Rytlock went for a walk on a beach somewhere and found it.
Scenario C: Rytlock went to the fire island and picked it up? He's voiced by Steve Blum so he's automatically badass.
Sigil of energy (50 % back on weapon swap) also works on attunment swap. At least when in combat and has like all swap sigil an 9 sec CD.
Its so sad to see that something so interesting in the plot could be put on hold or potentially forgotten by Anet for character's we have never heard about. I wanna see answers to these question way more than I wanna see any new dungeons or raids. Your sitting on a gold mine here Anet.
logan should know that Prince Rurik was killed by Dagnar Stonepate over the Shiverpeak Mountains so the only plausible reason for him to mention that Rytlock looted Sohothin from ascalon is knowing of someone trying to reunite the twin swords before Eir... or a massive lack of knowledge
I've always thought it odd that the ritual which cleanses the Foefire may only be triggered by a "true heir" to Ascalon. If the magic is Orrian (which it may not even be, as you noted in the video), how does it decide who the "true heir" of a completely different nation is? Is it decided by Adelbern's will, the one who initiated the Foefire? If the magic is indeed of human origin, might it still permit a charr to use its magic, considering the charr are the rightful (and current) rulers of the land? Would the Khan-Ur, if one appeared, be able to cleanse the Foefire?
And simmering below all of this surface detail, we can pay extra attention to the events 250 years ago: much of Pre-Searing was focused on the Royalists' struggle to overthrow King Adelbern, who had been given the crown as a recognition of his military achievements, and restore the royal bloodline of Barradin. Could it be that the 'true king' of Ascalon was Barradin all along, and the Foefire is literally a curse brought upon the nation because Magdaer's power had been invoked by a usurper? There is, of course, the subplot where Rurik and Althea - Barradin's daughter, as you know - were supposed to unite the two families, thus ending the Royalist uprising. Is it at all possible that in the 2 years between the Searing and Althea's kidnapping, she bore Rurik a child? Could Barradin's (and Adelbern's, I suppose) bloodline still live on in contemporary Tyria, and would that descendant qualify as the "true heir" of Ascalon?
woah boy, one crazy radical story breaking theory at a time
Man, Rytlock's still my fav NPC.
Another interesting mystery! and dont forget, thanks to the living story and Scarlet we know that Caithe have her dark mystery.
guild wars lore, and some skyrim soundtrack in the background^^
1- rox isn't part of the stone warband yet. she's trying her damn best to do it, but she hasn't been accepted yet.
2- logan doesn't have to know about the fire islands chain. far as he knows, sohothin was in ascalon all along until rytlock showed up with it.
So sorry for 4 comments in a row but I thought of another thing...
One of the ascended trinkets you can get is Rurik's Royal Signet Ring, which makes me wonder if Devona brought Rurik's entire body back for a proper burial back in Ascalon?! If not, adding his signet ring to the sword she recovered doesn't seem too far fetched. Given there's a Rurik armour set AND the ring, perhaps it WAS his entire body that was recovered, and returned to Ascalon.
Great video.I WANT MORE MYSTERIES AND MORE LORE PLEASE :)
What about the Scepter of Orr? After it disappeared from the Fire Islands it was found. The end cinematic of Eye of the North clearly shows Livia finding it. Livia was a member of the Shining Blade and wanted to reunite Kryta. Could that be why you don't see many Risen around Kryta? Livia used the Scepter's power to drive off the undead that were plaguing Kryta, and through the ages it has been passed down by the Shining Blade, meaning that it could still be hidden somewhere. Probably by Anise.
When Logan said that Rytlok looted the sword from Ascalon I think he's just saying that the sword belongs with the people of Ascalon, thus he metaphorically "stole" it from them.
But yeah, that dropped plot thread at the end of AC was really disappointing. I was hoping Eir would give that sword to Logan at some point, like in Arah, but NOPE. Everyone forgot about it :/
Do the norn have a lost and found office somewhere that I can visit? Maybe it's there...
If considering what mortal might have traversed the fire Island Chain and recovered Sohothin there is one really obvious possibility even thought we can't be sure how much he can really be considered 'canon'.
I'm talking , of course, about Nicholas Sandfort - known as the traveler. We do know that he traveled to almost unreachable places of the world such as the desolation. We also know that he collects items everywhere he goes and also that he gifts items.
Now of course Nicholas died in 1110 AE and while we don't know the actual age of Rytlock we do know that charr age roughly as fast or slow as humans, so its rather unlikely that he was born long before ..say 1270 or 1280 - over 150 years after Nicholas death. But Nicholas might ahve given it to a charr who passed it down - or might have hidden it close to his final place of rest: Ebon Hawk, a city that has been udner siege by charr...
+ricky222rofl I actually found further evidence for my theory in the expansion: If you buy a lore book called "there with Yakkington: A travelers Tale Prologue" from Zinn's Print-o-matic it'll read on page 4: "Still nothing compares to our trip to the ring of fire islands! Not only did we end up in the shadow of an activ vulcano, we also arrived during the Titan assault agaisnt the Mursaat."
Now one migth say that is nothing new, because when you wereon the island that holds the gate of khomali there was always the assault going on. But we never really knew how nickolas sandfords appearance would tie into the cronology of the game. Well now we know for certain: he was right there when the sword was lost.
On the other hand you may be right there! Cause by saying: 'I sense Sohothin's presence nearby Rurik u have returned!' he does confirm the fact of giving Rurik the real sword. I presume that's what you ment, if so then I can see that now! =) Good find!
he realy did look stylish in that wolf helmet
Maybe it were the Flame Legion in cooperation with the Dredge who retrieved the sword through some underground tunneling and Rytlock stole it. And in the living story they're bundeling forces again to get it back. That would give a whole other turn to the Flame and Frost Story. =p
''.. and the status of Magdaer is now up in the air ''
Air.. Eir.. I see what you did there! Naaasty!
I suspect the story of Sohothin to be told in future. It seems many of the members of EDs' backstory will be told in the living story. Caithes secret, Eirs son, Rytlock and Sohothin, Logan and Zojja i don't know.
Early in the norn story line, you meet a blacksmith who Eir also knows. That might be the blacksmith.
No. Jormag's Breath is a reference to the Icy Dragon Sword in GW1, which was just a blue Fiery Dragon Sword. It's a remake of the IDS to better separate it from the FDS and to be more GW2 related.
The vast majority of weapons, skins, and armors have nothing to do with the lore and are there to just be shiny.
Well, kudos on the amazing video! Subscribed and favorited, keep up the great work!
Ps. OHMAHGOD HE RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT!
Seeing how with every new episode,you remind us of the multitude of unfinisished storylines, I am concerned whether or nor Arenanet are having a "masterplan" for the story/lore of the world or are just adding on stuff wherever need be. Because the living story is so rapidly moving the status-quo of the world forwards, they would now need to find a way to tie in some of the more recent events (e.g. Rox joins Rytlock) into the mysteries' conclusions to make them consistent with the world.
I just want to bring up that the Scepter of Orr also had a twin. There was a quest about in the desolation.
hmmm if Magdaer and Sohothin are relics of Primordus maybe the Scepter of Orr is a relic of Zaihtan (as it's all about undead). I can't think of any other relics though...
Btw I think Eir is implying she's going to give it to Beigarth. It's not said anywhere but he is the only norn blacksmith we've met that's into old forging methods and fixing relics. I could be wrong though.
Ty for vid :)
I hope rytlock is indeed that "special" compared to the others in destiny's edge. Hes fucking awesome!
Turns out Rytlock stole it from the Flame Legion while undercover for Blood Legion.
I think you broke my brain a little bit, because now I'm trying to figure this out. I do think that anet has given these characters a bit too much potential. It doesn't seem as if they even remember all this mystery that they've put into their characters. If they have someone write another book with this kinda thing, then yay! I'll gladly buy it. But they can't really do anything ingame concerning Sohothin or even Rytlock.
Just a thought:
What if King Rurik was turned in to a Charr on the fire island chains and somehow escaped?
and now in PoF finale we (as commander) can defeat Balthazar using Sohothin.... and from it's skill that sword is damn powerful
Tequatal is slowly morphing k to Zhaitan, or new version at least. The chances of one of the old races not killing one of them is incredibly low, so either there used to be more, or a champion becomes the new elder dragon.
Interesting that you mention he may be more important to the story than the others of Destiny's Edge, especially now since he is lost in the mists... looks like you were right. Also lets see a mysteries about Caithe, that girl is full of mystery.
Okay thanks for all the information Mina! Now I only need to get enough money for that, it's still pretty expensive on steam.
Its starting to shit me to tears that we aren't getting this potentially amazing story explained and further driven on in game...-_-
My guess: as you said, the swords are bound to Primordus, and I think they will return and be relevant when the time comes to face that dragon.
Please keep doing these :D
This is interesting, this makes me think of where the game might go forward in the living story... we have seen Scarlet go to Caithe with claiming she knows her past, maybe next we will see her go into the Catacombs and say the same about Rytlock.. maybe she is trying to get to Destinys Edge by past events? idk just a thought, i mean we still dont know to much about any of them really... What do yall think?
The frame where gwen is in it made me realise how much better story was in gw1 :(