Are Pro Bikes THAT Different To Yours? | Vid Persak's Orbea Rallon
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Today we are finding the differences between off-the-shelf mountain bikes and that of a World Cup professional. Rich Payne is joined by Vid Persak in the Orbea FOX Enduro Team pits of Les Gets, France to compare Vid's Enduro World Series bike against the stock equivalent you can buy in a bike shop.
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I have a commencal meta tr with magura mt5’s. Fox 36 factory kashima coated and an ohlins on the rear. Industry nine hubs front and rear.
Are they given a frame that has higher quality carbon layup thats been given more attention usually reserved for racers? I hope not but unfortunately most likely is. Santa cruz reserve carbon wheels for the retail market seems to break more easily, sure, lifetime warranty, just that its spoils your day and to wait for a few weeks for replacement.
@@wangelite5279- most goods headed for pro use are picked and tested specially, but usually right off the line, some are 'cheaters' for sure, but sponsored racers usually depend on an endless supply, so that cracking a frame and both rims each race doesn't matter.
@@floydblandston108 To avoid a bad brand image, the frames are most likely carbon layup done well and xray-ed. This is an open secret. No brand wants their bike to crack with cameras watching.
I think this idea that the retail market has the same equipment is disingenuous. There are some brands that is probably same for both retail and racers, Athethon comes to mind. But nukeproof, transition, especially santa cruz, highly doubt the bikes are the same. Also the market is not big enough for an independant checker.
But when it comes to suspension, or metal parts where precision is more dependant on machinery, then I can believe that that racers and retail have the same product. People not familiar with how carbon is manufactured can get mis-informed by deceptive business operation.
2023 slash
Would be cool to see a comparison in performance between for examle a 3k (Budget) Version, the High-End Version and WC Version of an Enduro, oder DH bike. I would be interested, in how much the extra in money brings in performance on the track
I don't think it would be much, the same platform with better parts will make a difference, sure, but I don't think by very much. A fast rider would make more of a difference.
I used to build 'entry level' race bikes. Full bore EBay/Pinkbike/Dealer closeout parts scavenging and 'last year's model' tech would net you a top shelf bike for 1/2 of this year's list price, i.e.; Retail S-works= $5995, I could build the equivalent or close for $3k. The end of year closeout on that bike (if there was one) would be about $4500. I'd wager those ratios still hold true...keep in mind, my price was just for parts and assembly- all those hours scavenging were free to the buyer! Go back in time and ride the 'cutting edge' of 3-5 years ago and you could do much better, like 1/3 the price of new.
3k would buy you a second hand carbon Nukeproof Mega with PUSH 11-6 shock, ZEB ultimate fork, GX eagle drivetrain, XT brakes and sensible finishing kit in the current market - would be considered a super bike by most people’s standards
@@alexmason7103- EXACTLY! Which is where all this 'Salesman BS' Rich is pushing becomes so offensive. XT is almost always just 3rd year XTR, The new 'wondertech' is just a small upgrade, and bike companies and reps buy these shits off to convince YOU to pay 3x more for an *excellent* bike than you need to! Racing is racing, and if you're only 3% off the podium, $1 per gram matters. If you're just having FUN, then cheap and reliable is the key, and THAT my friends is tech *at least* three years behind Pro Level.
@@alexmason7103 If i buy a used bike ofcourse. Maybe 3000 is a little high. But for example the Propain Tyee i recently got started at 3k. The max. Build is somewhere around 6.5k
I guess that the difference in performance is not that high. But it would still be very interesting, how much it is.
Loosening the spokes to get more lateral grip. That is a pro tip that nobody would have thought of, but makes sense when you hear it. I think I'll skip that though.
Going butted spokes gives 17% more lateral flex too
Pro just means you can break expensive stuff more often 😂
Its actually doesnt work according to damon rinards wheel stiffness testing which covered lacing patterns spoke count and tension.
@@tobyehillier that's good, normally it just means you're getting paid to do the job
@@janeblogs324 Yes Jane. That is exactly the official term for a professional
I enjoyed this -- please do a few more....XC in particular
Rich cheers mate was interesting listening to you talking with Vid the way his bike was set up.Nice set of wheels.
Radon JAB 10.0 HD from 2018 with changed back wheel to dt swiss e 1900
i have a 2012 nukeproof scalp with 2023 specialized e bike boxxer selects, manitou select 6 rear shock, 26 wheels (obviously), 203mm sram hs2 rotors (2mm thick), 4 pot brakes. in the process of adding an enduro cassette as the downhill gears are a bit too much for my little legs
Newer bikes have better geometry. You should factor this in. It'll make loads of difference having a better head angle
@@doubleL_S i have an offset head angle kit. Gives an extra 1.5°. Makes my head angle around 66°
@TE_53349 ah okay. Adds weight though and 66 is still very steep. Under 65 is best imo
@@doubleL_S i think its 66. Id have to check though. May be completely wrong
@@doubleL_S my bad. Head angles 63°
Wheels- almost always custom built. Depending on sponsorship, you'll find some re-painted hubs.
Suspension- always custom tuned, sometimes prototype, occasionally disguised.
Brakes and drivetrain- surprisingly stock, but sometimes prototype. Sponsorship dependent.
You can buy a top shelf new bike and race it in Pro classes, for sure.
The mech on that Orbea looks like a medium cage (GS), not short cage as he said.
Pro riders bike, pretty sure he knows what he has on it. 😅
@@MrMuz99 Well you can't be that sure because Shimano don't make a short cage in XTR series. Only SGS or GS.
@@MrMuz99 - you would be surprised how many pros don't know much about the bikes they ride. That's what pro mechs are for...
@45graham45 - Pretty sure they'd get the treatment if they wanted a short cage, else they could use a different cage/mech that suits them. The rider went into detail about his brake rotor size choice and why, but he can't tell if he has a shorter mech or not? I doubt that.
@@MrMuz99 just use your eyeballs. You can see it is not a short cage. Jeez. A short cage would never cope with a cassette with that range on it would it? Shimano don't make a short cage XTR & these guys were saying that everything is stock type components apart from the suspension tunes so it's not a specially made mech.
Well, if compared to mine... yes, they are lol
More like this Rich. :)
Awesome video!
More!
#Askgmbn I’m confused, is Fox float and factory forks the same thing? I can’t find any oil charts for my 34 Factory, only Float charts.
float is the type of air spring while factory is a model version which is the highest one in fox hierarchy. The fork can be both Float and Factory. Factory version is pretty much all about kashima coating but not only and in this case the Factory has nothing to do with the amount of oil you put into it.
@@Szyszku ahhhhh thankyou!
wow"very nice mountain bike,, this is my dream dream dream mountain
I think with any sport you can get your hands on the pro stuff, even F1 and NASCAR (if you were a billionaire).
1:20 L size bike ? How tall is that guy ?
I think that some Pros choose smaller frames for handling but yeah both Vid and Rich look quite tall for that bike
@@jorgedios4535 Yes, but its much smaller.
If you ride a modern bike like 2023 it’s loads better then a pros bike from the early 2000’s or 90’s so in a way even a new Walmart bike is better then a pros bike from the 90’s
I have a specialized stumpjumper evo Expert
Pro bikes are usually heavier, with stiffer suspension setup!
This is where Analog bikes are going to differ from E bikes. Analog bikes are Rad because it really comes down to differences of skills of the rider. E bikes starts changing that dynamic with motor and technology. Everyone starts chasing technology to be better.
So you're saying that an e-bike can makeup for rider skill? That's a pretty bold statement considering there's no research and/or no studies to prove it. I hope you're not confusing aerobic Fitness with actual riding skills. 🤔 Now going uphill on technical Terrain, the potentially increased momentum from an e-bike would help with balance for sure. But at some point if you don't have good balance the e-bike is not going to make up for that, it is not going to improve your vestibular system.
@@rider65 Yes. If you have an e bike with 90 nm of torque and an E bike with 60 nm of torque, the 90 nm bike rider with less skill will out climb a 60 nm bike with more skills. Tech uphill and pedal sections in racing is a factor. Also fitness is a skill also. And if you think fitness isn’t a skill every motocross racer, DH racer, or any Athletic sport can take years to learn for athletic performance to win. Anything learned is a skill.
I just want a bike that makes me FEEL like I ride like a PRO.
Thanks for the vid, very interesting, big fan of the team. But guys please, upgrade you camera equipment and post your videos in 4K. Because filming is good, but not the quality of the video on youtube.
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Are there difference in quality with the carbon layup for racers vs the retail market? I really hope not.
Turns out, pro bikes are not that much different than mine.
@@pinky6863 lol I like this answer!
pro bikes are worse as they are restricted by sponsorship as to what parts they can use
I only ride pro bikes 😂😂😂
Screw F-1! 🤢🤮😆
I'll take a WRC and a MotoGP bike!
Well first of all, I don't have a bike
Second.... there's no second, lemme just watch the vid🦖🦖
Short answer not mine but my dentist's bike has more exotic parts and a frame worth your econobox pile you drive in twice...
He loves MTB fail compilations ☠️🤑
I lost all interest in all UCI racing since Redbull lost coverage.
Not much of a fan of the racers/racing then were you? Jesus 😂
@@Mockle07Not a fan boy no, but used to enjoy watching it. New commentry etc looked crap so I don't want to waste my money or time on it. At least Rob Warner has now moved over to Crankworx.
@@45graham45 You don’t have to be a “fan boy” to enjoy something… why do people use “fan boy” for everything these days?
Despite an unsurprisingly rocky start, the coverage on Eurosport and Discovery (free with Sky) is great. Not perfect, but then neither was Redbull’s.
I can’t imagine not watching a sport I love simply because the broadcaster has changed… it seems most of the people complaining were not that fussed about the racing in the first place and just love a winge 🤷🏼♂️
I also watched the redbul tour de France
the bike is 10%, the other 90% is whos riding it
Not mine. I use to crash often. Now I'm feeling a bike that is designed to rip. I often think, this bike is sick! Before I out rode my bike. Now I don't have the skill to push it to its limit.