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The biggest problem with wrestling is that there are almost no places for adults to train. If you’re lucky a loca mma or bjj gym might have a wrestling class, but outside of that, wrestling seems to be almost entirely a scholastic sport.
Get into wrestling young, then add submissions. Wrestling has many advantages. It will make you tough.
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would share with us some advantages my good friend ?
Or catch wrestling, has submissions as well😂 but no chokes
@@tomsheppard378is almost impossible to find catch wrestling academy.
@@Muslim_qui_douteit is just good if you are weak or have been bullied it gives you confidence and you meet cool people it is extremely brutal but I think that experience is good
I wrestled 4 years in high school and transitioning to BJJ was not nearly as difficult as it was for a friend of mine who started at the same time as me with no grappling experience. I'm a blue belt in BJJ and at one point I trained judo due to an instructor at our dojo that offered judo classes, unfortunately he doesn't offer them anymore but there is a judo school relatively close by, but unfortunately no place to really train wrestling. So in my humble opinion, whichever one is available, train it.
As someone who wrestled for 7 years (middle school and high school), I transitioned to BJJ during college and instantly began tapping other white belts in my gym. Moved to Oregon from California and I'm beating blue belts at my new gym. I really want to start Judo and aim for that double black belt (Judo and BJJ), but the closest Judo dojos are at least 1 hour or further away from where I live. I've personally studied many judo throws, though, and have used some of them successfully in BJJ practice. Fingers crossed, I'll be able to afford to train in a Judo gym soon!
It's not a gym It's a dojo
@@markdaniels4178 My Jiu Jitsu coaches don't call it a Dojo. Technically, they call it a school, but whatever. Go out and touch some grass, kid
So you have 7 years experience vs someone with no experience and you won... Interesting 🤔🤔🤔
@@ericcampbell4526 7 years of NOT Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practice? Yes: how crazy. I was able to beat white belts with 3 or 4 stripes, even though I only knew wrestling, watched a bit of UFC, and was only taught one submission before my first practice. I'd say that's decently impressive for someone with only wrestling experience. I was literally given two stripes at once because I just kept beating white belts with multiple stripes, as well as some blue belts (one of them was a 3 stripe blue belt who teaches a No-Gi class). But okay, go off.
@@user-vg8ls2jn4iultimately, grappling is grappling. You beat a novice at 7 years of experience. Not impressive. You tapped white belts and some blues. What would be impressive is if another white belt (true white belt) beats you.
Remember it’s the Journey, not just the destination. I started my kids( after 4 years of striking ) in Judo before going into BJJ. There’s a lot of sportsmanship in judo. It’s also a great base/foundation. Wrestling where I live is only in High school and college. Some regions have junior high school programs. It may be fun, but you don’t have to do all 3. They’re 3 different expressions of grappling. We have to be rational with age and the time we have.
Judo and BJJ are a better fit. They are opposites that mesh well. I only wrestled in high school. Starting at 30, your not going to be a D1 wrestler, nor will you be in the international circuit. Take the drills and techniques that cross over and move own.
Figure out if your a Judoka who does BJJ or a Juijitsu guy who does Judo. For a long time I was a Judoka who did Karate. Because my boxing and kickboxing days are long over. Today I’m leaning to BJJ because I’m getting older.
I completely agree and you couldn’t have said it better. But I’m still going to try and learn as much as possible to get the best out of everything
Well said
Good analysis 👍!!!!!
Judo's MUCH harder to get even slightly decent at. Most throws will take you years to pull off against a resisting opponent. But if you get good, it's almost like magic, because no one really does judo. If you want to get good at takedowns fast then I'd say do wrestling. The takedowns, while technical in their own right, are much easier to get an initial grasp on. The only concern is that, unlike judo, wrestling is the meta right now, so just about everyone has lots of practice dealing with wrestling takedowns.
I think depending on what style of BJJ your primary training should dictate if you could focus more on Judo or Wrestling. If you do more no gi then wrestling is probably better for you. If you do more gi then Judo is probably what you should focus on. Either way you go it should help your BJJ develop
Do them all, but I started in Judo (1989) with Sambo and Shuai Jiao competitions too then GJJ/BJJ/NHB (1992) then wrestling all rulesets (2000). Started Aikido (2010). From my experience Judo is quicker to put someone in a hospital if fighting outside, GJJ takes time and is good for one on one and is easier on the body, but if you want to do standing jointlocks the best basis is Greco-Roman Wrestling it will get your upper body controls superb especially clinching for boxing or isolating an arm of a person.
I have done aikido as well loved it but was not as good. Why did you train it and did you get it do work?
@@jacobharris954 I was at home watched a Steven Seagal movie I think it was TNT then Google Aikido and it was a mile down the same street I lived on. Yes Aikido works for but I literally had over 30 years of martial arts experience before I got into it. The moment of understanding for me was when I used my body like boxing or pitching not like wrestling. For instance in fencing or a boxing jab you don't have to tense or initiate every movement from your core. Once I started treating the moves like a strike or pitch instead of a clinch and heaving throw everything synced. In wrestling I want to clinch and control the core of my foe while in Aikido and Boxing and Fencing I want to maintain optimal range also known as maai and fight on the chords and tangents of the arc of the foe's range drawing them off balance just how in boxing you can draw your foe to reach, push, over commit that opens them up for counters. If you get a chance read Budo, Budo Renshu, and this is self defense. You see that striking is a feature of irimi not just faints as Aikido Dynamic Sphere would lead many to believe. Research Jukendo, Tankendo, and Tomiki Ryu Randori these three were taught together in Manchuria and the Japanese Spy school. Later Strategic Air Command incorporated it in to their curriculum. Also look Steve Merritt System it is a defensive tactics program that has been integrated into more modern programs that are still taught for instance Selma Alabama State Trooper academy still has active Aikido instructors as does Jefferson County Alabama Sherrif department.
Luta Livre, which is a form of no-gi bjj but the creator of Luta Livre is more of a rival of the Gracie Family. Luta Livre is a grappling martial arts with jiu-jitsu and Catch wrestling combination
My schedule lets me do bjj May-August and judo September-April. I can focus entirely on one art during that time and I always come back to the other one better.
Thats works great, pure focus = faster results
I'm going to enroll in my local college just to take advantage of their wrestling program.
Wrestling is awesome!
Wrestling is hard on the body!! A very young man's game !!! I only do it for self defense and use the techniques that is useful for a streetfight !! Like the SPRAWL , GRECO ROMAN THROW and a few others ,but for competition it is hell on the body my friend!!! I leave that to the experts!!
i practice it but i go with guys my weight or lighter now, and i don't go all out.
@@OGFITNESS I hear you +!
Depends on what country you're in too. Quality wrestling is widely available in America. If you're in school, you can wrestle for your school. This is a much more cost effective way to train than to pay monthly gym fees. Beyond financial...wrestling arguably has an easier learning curve, especially initially. However, that is subjective. Wrestling is highly dependent on conditioning, and "grinding" for set ups and positions. If you're willing to "fight for the takedown" then wrestling may appeal to your natural instincts more. As far as fighting (self defense)... both teach superb body awareness, balance, leverage and agility which will put you leagues above the average person.
Well said!
Maybe a little anecdotal...but as a wrestler I trained Judo at a USJF gym and the best thing I took from my time there were the foot sweeps and leg reaps. These catch many people off guard once you get your timing down. They also don't sap a lot of energy to set up, imo, unlike what you may expend shooting for a double. Great for bjj, and fighting (self defense) in general.
@RED CHUCKS Learning a MT low roundhouse is one of the best things I've done in 5 years. MT is sick.
@RED CHUCKS "Man can't stand, he can't fight".
Very much depends on what are you training for? If you want to improve your BJJ and compete, then train Judo, because of the gi techniques. For self-defense, or MMA, even for no-gi competitions wrestling is a must. You will never have a chance in an ADCC no-gi competition if you can't wrestle.
Do a mix of all three. And most importantly do what makes you happy
Do everything!
Do you think catch wrestling fits better with no gi BJJ? as yiu can win via submission or pin. But i believe a lot of the subs are illegal in BJJ. Ive done some catch and there are neck cranks, spine locks etc. I think it helped my top game in gi i was much better at top pressure when passing and i felt more confident on my feet. My main sport is BJJ and i do judo 2-3 times per week and occasionally wrestling. I try to take a concept ive learned in wrestling and apply to BJJ/judo and in the drilling part of class i work on my single leg and half alch
Sambo/bjj would be cool as well, specailly if you cant decide betwen judo and wrestling.
Or Sambo and judo like Fedor
I think it depends on what your options are
I like Bjj and Judo, but with a wrestling background aggressive mentality and approach. Imo thanks
Focus on wrestling last? That’s an odd take. Wrestling is best to start young
1) What he said in the video, or what keeps you motivated.
2) If you can’t choose Judo or wrestling, just go with Sambo because it has both. Look at Khabib, Emelianenko and Russia in general.
Sambo clubs are even harder to find in the west, unfortunately not very popular here.
This is very interesting cause my BJJ gym teaches no Judo takedowns, only wrestling in gi and no gi
i think it depends if you want to focus more or no gi or gi
I wrestled and did jiu jitsu in high school. Currently train jiu jitsu 3 - 4 times a week and judo 1 - 2 times a week. They all have their own value and I love the all around progress I make as being a generally good and well rounded grappler. I will say though, there is a value to being extremely good at one of these arts as opposed to kinda ok at all of them. I've kinda become a jack of all trades due to my own choices, but my play style in how I grapple would definitely be different had I focused only on any one. Not better or worse, just different.
If im not mistaken the right saying is:
‘ A jack of all trades and a master of one’ i like that a lot better than ‘master of none’
The Judo club I train with is 100% Congolese club. All big black guys from Congo. I'm the only one there that speaks English. Taking beating after beating.
Congo, big big dudes. Genetics specimens. I feel ya. Osu!
I'm 27, I've been training bjj for a few years now and would love to train Judo as well, the only problem is that theres no Judo clubs anywhere near me. I have a buddy that's a Judo black belt and D1 wrestler that I talked into teaching a class once a week at my bjj gym. I felt like I learned a ton in the year or two that he taught but most of the lower belts that usually would come to class stopped coming on that day. I think the intensity and damage taken by constantly falling was too much for most of them, not to mention that he had us doing crazy hard "worm ups." My buddy eventually stopped teaching the class and has recently moved to a town about an hour away and started teaching at a new academy out there 2 nights a week. With my schedule and already long commute home I don't have time to go over there to learn Judo. Any Recommendations on learning Judo without gym near me?
Did you use crash mats? we use crash mats for judo makes the falls easier to take. Gives the student a chance to improve break falls and also easier on the body as some judo falls, even if you can break fall are hard on the body. I'm lucky I live in the UK and about a mile away from one of the largest judo clubs in the UK
@@tomsheppard378 No, my BJJ academy doesn't have any crash pads. They were looking to buy some when my buddy started teaching Judo but there was such a big fall off of students after the first few months that it didn't really make sense to them financially to buy 4 or 5 crash pads.
@@Daniel_Cooley such a shame. I'm not sure how much ur BJJ school does break falls, I think can vary. I wouldnt fancy doing judo without crash mats and I'm pretty good at them, just impact on body is still a lot. I'm lucky where I live lots of martial arts clubs in walking distance
That what I keep saying judo is hard the falling
Honestly if you can’t be taught judo, learn wrestling and apply judo concepts and methods to it. I highly recommend watching Shintaro Higashi’s channel as well as reading “mind over muscle” by jigoro Kano (the founder of judo). If you can’t find any sort of wrestling gym near you then at the very least do whatever throws/takedowns you can safely do on whatever floor your bjj gym has
Depends on your ultimate aims. Gi competition? Judo/BJJ. Nogi competition? Wrestling/BJJ. MMA or self-defense? You better do it all.
What happen to judo and lethwei video ?🤔
Judo + BJJ + Muay Thai or Boxing = well rounded fighter
For sure
I'm a BB in judo and BJJ, but I wish I learned wrestling also. All 3 are excellent to learn. As a sensei and professor, I encourage to learn judo and or wrestling cause they are harder to learn and harder on the body than BJJ.
I think having those three makes for a very complete grappler imo. Osu
Wrestling and judo is the best bet
I currently got a rib injury which isn't anything too crazy but still hurts when I go in certain positions. Any specific judo or bjj moves I can drill out whilst I have this which won't further aggravate it?
Honesty it depends on what you are doing, I sprained my rib starting Judo last month and is mostly healed now. I just had to take it easy on the ground (newaza) and let my training partners know that I had a rib injury so they wouldn't put too much pressure on me. Also when my training partners would practice throwing me depending on the technique it hurt my rib a bit for the entry.
But practicing throws myself was fine, the only exeception was trying to do a scarf hold as the person on top, with the same side as the injury which hurt.
I had something similar happen to me where I injured my rib while training it affected my performance a lot, so I decided not to roll with anyone for a while and just go over techniques and drills.
Do all three
Hey i was thinking this really pisses my head off can you tell in the next video you make or just comment to me so is this good judo and bjj and muay thai and after that boxing cause right now im doing judo and soon i will start bjj and mauay thai and after boxing and i habe a question is it ok if i just do judo and bjj not wrestling
Please answer im kinda pissed
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Idk
I think judo and bjj
Wth is this
What about weights and jiu jitsu or yoga and jiu jitsu ?? 🤔
Both combos are good, if you can do all 3 that would be best
Start wrestling young because it beats you down way more than Bjj and Judo in my opinion.
Wrestling + BJJ > judo + BJJ, but judo a great addition.
You can mix the 3 of them
Thats what i do🙏🥋🙇♂️
So I have a dilemma. I wonder if you can help. But before I share it, I'd say that for MMA, maybe wrestling + bjj translate more well due to the NO Gi aspect and how most UFC champs are wrestlers. So here is my dilemma. I'm 31 right now. I come from a striking background, which I have competed in (tkd, muay thai, boxing, krav)-and now only strictly doing JKD; so my whole ethos is all about the "street." I've diverged from sports mentality, sort to speak. I want to get started in grappling. I have 4 options in my area. Please tell me what you think I should do (&my kiddo). Option 1: Gracie Academy (Renner ryron organization) - They focus strictly on BJJ street defense (so striking here and there). They offer both gi and no gi. They offer online videos that we can always review on top of in person training. Option 2: A gym that has Olympian female Judoka and a Macheado lineage BJJ black belt. In all of their classes, they combine Judo and BJJ (I thought this is so cool, and in the street, I believe staying standing is better than going to the ground). They offer no gi once per week. Option 3: 10th Planet BJJ - No gi only with ranking belts. They offer separate wrestling classes. 10th planet are a top team in no gi competitions. So I'm stuck in a dilemma. For context, I'm Asian, 5'7, 145lbs. Small but quick. Is there any advantage when it comes to no gi/wrestling or judo/gi bjj?
Yo, hmmm.. im 5’8 150, were very close, i competed in Judo at 145. I’ll make a video for you, but tell me, whats the goal here? It’s sound like for self defense but obviously martial arts develop a whole bunch of positive attributes as well. Just wanna make sure before i make a video. 🙏
bro you gotta respond he even said he would make a vid for you 😲
@@TroyIndureTillTheEnd ya know?🤷♂️😁
Solution: Judo and Wrestling.
In my opinion Wrestling is the best base , it's the first choice all the time.
As someone who wrestled in MS, HS, college (club lvl), and has trained BJJ for the past year, I'd say Sambo since it's literally a mix of all three. I'd also argue Judo was weakened by the no leg grab rule in the early 2010's, the newer generation of judokas will not transition as well to wrestling because of that. So if you're learning the old form of Judo I'd say Judo/ Jiu Jitsu if you compete in gi. If it's the newer form of Judo and/or you grapple no gi then focus on wrestling, as it and sambo and the only arts were you'll become competent in takedowns and takedown defense. Also wrestlers have won Olympic gold medals in Judo but not the other way around, which was the reason they made the rule change. Therefore, I don't understand the opinion that Judokas transition better to wrestling than wrestlers do to Judo. There has only been one example of a D1 NCAA champion that was a Judoka prior to wrestling.
Catch Wrestling (CACC) has submissions.
wrestling+judo is a fun combo for slamming people into the ground
The ultimate combo to smesh!
@@OGFITNESS best grip power, maybe ad a bit of rock climbing as an activity
@@ronselporter4739 i did for a while but it got too time consuming for me with everything else i was doing, was great for the grips for sure
I'll just do all 3
Thats the spirit!💪💪🙏🥋🙇♂️
Judo and bjj. Why? Cause there is no wrestling club for adults. Before anyone says college, student loan debt is not worth it.
Many mma gym have wresting class
@@andrewnielson7192 Erik Paulson has a few combat submissions gyms which have a take on almost every wrestling style +striking but mainly Japenese combat wrestling, folk style, freestyle, sambo, and mostly catchascatchcan(aka catch wrestling). I like in jacksonville the most country place in Florida so we have one and even kosen Judo school.
Answer is obviously wrestling + judo!
Hehehe! For me as well.
What is the best for guys ?
Judo
Why not all 3
That would be the best
I don’t see a lot of judo videos on CZcams unless it’s like Olympic judo but I see alot of bjj and wrestling I wonder is it just the judo culture
For some reason are coach posts vids on facebook only beach judo uk if u interested 🤙
@@gurukevy I’m interested , I attended my first class today.
@@gurukevy what’s the fb page
@@halltrades5111 keep getting post deleted not allowed to link add me kev yates
@@gurukevy what’s the profile picture looking like
I would personally say Judo and BJJ seeing that they are basically two halves of one whole and mix very well! and wrestling being something completely and entirely different! So what if wrestlers have blast power double leg takedowns that just means they have to pass the guard once they get you there and they really aren't known for guard passing skills! Leaving the wrestler confused about what to do with a Judo or Jiu-Jitsu black belt having wasted all of his effort and energy just to get somewhere to be completely lost! additionally wrestlers have a very hard time fighting off of their back! Judo and Jiu-Jitsu just seem to complement each other a lot better and I think they transition into one another perfectly with wrestling being the Foreigner in a foreign land that doesn't know where he's going! This is not a put-down on wrestling I just don't think it really belongs with Judo or jiu-jitsu! That is just my opinion though
There is way more to wrestling than just double legs, they have many sweeps and throws as well. Submission Wrestling is also Wrestling. Judokas aren't known for being good on their backs either tbh. You can also use every Wrestling move without the need of clothes while you have to adapt most of the techniques in Judo before it works without clothing or jackets to be more precise.
Oh god! Here comes another argumentative individual who cannot handle a platform of opinions! Listen you don't need to start defending what flavor of ice cream you like okay! I am not starting fires with other people based on what they say! Don't get on my case all right and furthermore yes your argument about wrestlers not relying on clothes listen whoever you are we don't walk around in singlets okay we wear clothes in civilized society! And if you must know I was not putting wrestling down I believe it has value especially inside the MMA cage where the rules favor wrestlers these days and yes wrestling is very effective for self-defense but I just don't think it has much value in the grappling world okay Grapplers and wrestlers have a different agenda and they have different muscle memory! Judo and jiu-jitsu have a shared history and they are brother and sister Arts! Wrestling is not grappling it is wrestling! I rest my case
@@williambreen4290 I simply made counter arguments without being emotional at all while you start to quibble like a sensitive child buddy. I think YOU are the one who can't handle an opinion. But i can't take anyone serious who really claims wrestling isn' grappling. Wrestling is *the* fundamental grappling art in the world of combat sports, much more than Judo will ever be. Clothes are not enougn, T-Shirts are extremely hard to hold on to for a throw, it has to be some kind of jacket and i know nobody who wears jackets in summer. I mean whatever, you have no clue about wrestling anyway since you don't even know that wrestling has a lot of moves besides leg takedowns. Wrestling has always had value in the grappling world, you must live under a rock buddy.
@@kaen4299 so now we're calling other adults names? You're accusing me of being emotionally reactive? And you're telling someone to go back under a rock ? For your information my uncle's started coaching me in wrestling when I was 5 years old and I have wrestled all the way through High School so I do know what the hell I'm talking about! I have never thrown the value of my wrestling experience out the window but when I started training in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and dabbling in Judo I realized that wrestling didn't really have a place and that is my opinion and I am entitled to it by experience not just opinion so please stop calling me names you don't know who I am! And being a fellow who's getting into his age I find the value of grappling to be better for longevity regarding martial arts and way of life! There is a reason why wrestling is a seasonal event because it is a very rough Combat sport that requires a lot of wear and tear on your body and if you wrestled every damn day 365 you would have some serious issues medically and physically and furthermore I don't see anyone realistically wrestling anyone past the age of 55 competitively or effectively for self-defense! however I see someone participating in Judo and Jiu-Jitsu well into their 60s if they decide. And I will go on to also say that my major argument with wrestling is making children cut weight which is asinine and causes a lot of issues throughout their life regarding physical development. Judo and bjj do not seem to have those same issues when training children to become future Champions and experts! If I Could Turn Back the clock I would have just started training Judo and Bjj when I was a kid! But don't sit here and get on this keyboard kick and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about!
@@williambreen4290 Then you must have been a bad wrestler if you talk like that about Wrestling. It's not offensive, but the lack of knowledge you show regarding Wrestling says a lot. Being hard on your body doesn't mean it's ineffective. Muay Thai is hard on your body yet it's one of the most effective styles out there.
And as opposed to what you believe, Judo is actually hard on your body if you desire to improve and compete. You will get constantly thrown and thrown and it's going to leave a mark. If you go easy in trainingyou can do almost any art into old age. Martial Arts in itself is hard on the body if you desire to be one of the best, there is no other way around it.
And yes, you're indeed emotionally reactive, go back and reread the conversation. I simply counter arguments and then you proceeded to compose a wall of text telling me i can't handle opinions, what the hell?
If i have a kosen judo club around me then i don't need BJJ. Otherwise i think judo + BJJ is quite potent skill as both compliment nicely
Bjj & judo. Forget the wrestling 😊
Gi or No Gi
No gi
judo and wrestling lmao
Bjj is judo.
😂
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Thx bud!
lol