BJJ vs Judo Sparring Breakdown

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Komentáře • 424

  • @josiahmmann
    @josiahmmann Před 7 měsíci +315

    Judo brown belt here - I don't disagree about judoka over committing, but many times, as I suspect is the case here, it's not actually overcommitting - it's undercommitting for the sake of safety. A committed judo throw here would have been him making the circle less round and landing on your ribs while maintaining a close connection.
    He's throwing you up in the air, not down into the ground, which is why you have all of the extra space and opportunities. You can also see that he posts on his hand in order to protect you from his weight.
    "Mutual Benefit and Welfare" is one of the two core tenets of Judo and it seems to be a bigger training priority in Judo than BJJ in my experience.

    • @30035XD
      @30035XD Před 7 měsíci +36

      Thanks for breaking it down. I noticed it very easily, but couldn't put it in words, as my skills in both Judo and Bjj are quite limited. Not many people understand how dangerous Judo really is when applied full throttle. You basically hit the bad guy with the planet.

    • @FabianD1991
      @FabianD1991 Před 6 měsíci +18

      Se nota que el Judoka esta siendo muy cuidadoso con las tecnicas, respetos para el.

    • @r------
      @r------ Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@30035XDyour full throttle judo was whooped many times by MMA fighters. So please go and cry elsewhere

    • @r------
      @r------ Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@navhawk3438 must must be a clueless cave troll if you have not a clue about Rhonda Rousey, Karo Parisyan etc and how they ended up.

    • @lamesurfer1015
      @lamesurfer1015 Před 6 měsíci +8

      I agree. I usually don't over commit to my Uchi Matas or Seoi Nages against people who I know aren't trained to take falls (i.e. wrestlers / judoka). In fact, I usually don't use those techiques much at all in BJJ or against people who have a competition coming up because of the risk to injury.
      So instead, this is what happens...
      1. I soft ball my forward throw because I don't want to hurt my training partner (i.e. a shallow uchi mata or a really slow ippon seoi nage).
      2. The BJJ player usually scrambles to take my back.
      The few times I've thrown with force and landed square on them by accident they usually tap or ask for a quick break. Again, I'm not trying to do this, but it happens occasionally when mats are slippery. About 3 months ago a guy who outweighed me by 30 lbs tried to take my back while I still had a lapel grip and I instinctively threw an uchi mata, landed on him, and bruised his ribs.
      As a result, I usually stick to throws with a lot of control (Ashi Waza) and some sutemi waza that I can control the impact on (rolling uki wazas, tawara gaeshis, and sumi gaeshis). Again, this is to avoid hurting my partner.
      This is the same as a wrestler electing to use a claw breakdown, slide by's, and turning the corner on a double rather than blasting a standing Barzegar, Salto, or Belly to Back Suplex.

  • @Dynamic6000
    @Dynamic6000 Před 7 měsíci +379

    Friendly PSA. When Judo guys “over commit” by rolling through or hover above, it’s often not accidental. They are intentionally trying to lessen the blow of the impact for the receiver. Getting thrown is one thing, getting thrown while they land connected with full weight on top of you, sandwiching your body, with no ability to rebound… it’s a fight ender even on the mat. A comparison would be like blasting an arm bar full speed and tensions with no ability to tap vs getting into it more technically. The problem is you can’t really slow down some of the throws when it’s in full send, but a good thrower can lessen its impact, often by rolling through or posting…
    So, smile slap dap and appreciate them for not breaking ribs. 😂

    • @antoinegezod
      @antoinegezod Před 6 měsíci +15

      Yeah that's bullshit. During judo competitions you see them overthrowing more than not. And opponent's safety is the last thing they think about lol. It is SUPER hard to control the momentum and while in judo successful throw ends the match in BJJ the bottom guy can just drag you with him after getting thrown and get better position. It takes extra skill to use judo effectively in BJJ.

    • @moqo
      @moqo Před 6 měsíci +39

      @@antoinegezod if you overthrow during randori you aren't really doing it right. Competition is another level of intensity so don't really get your point. Again if its randori and you throw your partner on their head then you are again doing it wrong, that being said if you know what you are doing as a judoka and want to throw for self defence...enjoy spinning to guard with that concussion/broken ribs. If you don't respect the standing game in BJJ then you are just limiting yourself. Learn the full art and don't just pull guard.

    • @eltonblack9421
      @eltonblack9421 Před 6 měsíci +13

      BJJ is Judo. Name one BJJ technique that isn't a judo technique? There are different judo bjj bodies each with their own rule sets. The rule set is not the art form. Judo isn't standing only and BJJ isn't ground only... Bjj is an expression of judo

    • @antoinegezod
      @antoinegezod Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@moqo you overestimate the power of throws. Skateboarders fall from tall shit all the time and they are okay. Judo itself is not gonna win you a street fight.

    • @moqo
      @moqo Před 6 měsíci +19

      @@antoinegezod you underestimate the ramifications of head injuries I think. Where did I say Judo would win a street fight. Where in this thread was this ever about street fighting? The OP was talking about throwing with control, if you had practiced Judo (or BJJ that teach standup) then you would understand the point. You do realise BJJ and Judo are essentially the same art seen from a different perspective right?

  • @xeni9081
    @xeni9081 Před 7 měsíci +181

    you killed him on the ground but he sent you flying on his personal airline. super good technique from him.

  • @slavicvolk
    @slavicvolk Před 6 měsíci +51

    1:15 o goshi/uki goshi
    2:28 leg weave passing
    3:17 mounted reverse triangle
    4:03 kosoto gake
    4:46 uchimata, kguard backtake
    5:53 kouchi gake

    • @ricomonte7372
      @ricomonte7372 Před 5 měsíci

      thank you

    • @YTStopCensoringFreedomOfspeech
      @YTStopCensoringFreedomOfspeech Před 2 měsíci

      All these judo techniques are very effective, Jeff was just waiting for him to use them to counter attack. This proves that experience sparring and fighting matter more than just practicing techniques. If Jeff was attacking instead of defending, he would of got caught by these techniques. He would of been in trouble. Jeff is also better on the ground which is why he won most of the time. However, this video proves that many judo techniques are very deadly and are valuable to add as tools.

  • @chilatelover
    @chilatelover Před 7 měsíci +187

    I really appreciate these breakdowns. This is why BJJ has levels. . . one could easily miss so much.

  • @bidibum
    @bidibum Před 7 měsíci +59

    Love the "that's what I was trying to do" clip, I have no experience whatsoever in grappling but I find it really entertaining, and I know I'll do it sooner or later. Thanks for the quality contents Jeff

  • @lornemcculloch-auld496
    @lornemcculloch-auld496 Před 7 měsíci +85

    As a guy who's been training BJJ and Wrestling for the last 3 months, I can say you make it look easy! As a grappling noob, it is kind of cool seeing some familiar moves, mainly because I'm often on the other side of them XD. I look forward to seeing more content!

  • @Jabbadabut123
    @Jabbadabut123 Před 7 měsíci +30

    If he lands on you with that uchi Mata instead of trying to be a good partner then he might not have had the overcommitment issue a lot of judo guys have on the throw but of course it’s very frowned upon to land on your partner after you throw them since it causes A LOT more damage which is unnecessary in a light rolling/sparring session. This happens a lot when judokas train in BJJ where they are trying to throw someone but at the same time not do too much damage since it isn’t the objective. Amazing uchi Mata and amazing groundwork by Jeff!

    • @joshuabrant7689
      @joshuabrant7689 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Exactly striking equivalent is pulling a head kick lol. Puts you in a bad spot precisely because you didn't use power.

    • @judobreakdowns7616
      @judobreakdowns7616 Před měsícem +2

      Just to clarify what is happening with that uchi mata. What is shown in the video is not overcommitted. For what they are doing, it's perfectly fine level of commitment. He get's his back because the judoka was actually in the middle of standing up so this is a total misattribution of what happened. If this were competition what I would expect is for the uchi mata to be executed the same or with landing on his chest followed by immediate hold down/submission attempt without trying to stand up. I don't think BJJ players generally have the experience of being thrown full force followed up with immediate newaza. What's done in randori is a very faint approximation.

    • @endurojimmy3109
      @endurojimmy3109 Před měsícem

      This is exactly right. I have just written something similar.

  • @bobbyhidayat8194
    @bobbyhidayat8194 Před 7 měsíci +80

    Hey I don't think he's over-commiting. If he throws you with full strength, it would actually be very painful for you especially for throws where he adds in his weight in the momentum. During randoris I got thrown by a black belt and while it wasn't that painful, I still feel pain throughout my entire body and that is with him taking easy.

    • @30035XD
      @30035XD Před 7 měsíci +6

      Add throwing the guy straight down and landing on his ribs to that.

    • @hedgehog11953
      @hedgehog11953 Před 5 měsíci +5

      ​@@30035XD most BJJ guys walk right into seoi-nage, they get tossed on their head.
      The mat literally saves them

    • @amgabad
      @amgabad Před 4 měsíci +3

      one day at judo championship i got thrown as much hard that, i got half knockouted by throw, so if anyone will get same throw at street this will finish tragically

    • @CogniVision
      @CogniVision Před 3 měsíci

      @@hedgehog11953 lot of BJJ guys would knock themselves out if not for a mat with some of the things they do as well.

  • @wm6549
    @wm6549 Před 7 měsíci +29

    Yes, more grappling videos please. 😊

  • @jimmysorensen8451
    @jimmysorensen8451 Před 7 měsíci +31

    Always love watching a judoka go to work, thanks for taking one for the team Jeff Chan🙏 nice job with the ground game, cool breakdown, thanks

  • @bronstet
    @bronstet Před 7 měsíci +97

    As a Judoka, I cheered when Jay sent you flying and cried when you outclassed him on the ground and fully expected both of these results. Both fighting systems are great but they do have their strengths and weaknesses. I find BJJ deficient in throws, takedowns and trips and Judo outclassed in the overall grappling game. C'est la vie. I freely vouch for the fact that I am always submitted in grappling by BJJ guys and like poor Jay here, I've very often sent them flying first only to be submitted shortly thereafter. 😕I always tell BJJ fighters I work with that I'm good enough to make you have to work for it, but we both know is winning in the end. It's all good and they should be proud of the work they put in and their abilities. I'm always very happy to work with them and trade Judo for BJJ knowledge. 🙂

    • @SINdaBlock411
      @SINdaBlock411 Před 7 měsíci +21

      in a real fight, on concrete, the fight is over as soon as the jiu jitsu clown gets sent flying

    • @bronstet
      @bronstet Před 7 měsíci +7

      @SINdaBlock411 I was just mentioning this in an impromptu Judo seminar to my gym I did this Friday, SINda. After teaching everyone 1 throw from each of the recognized 5 categories, I asked them why we train on mats even when we are only striking or grappling on the ground already and who would like to get thrown on the steel floor under the mats or on the concrete driveway, sidewalk or street outside the front door. This was to give perspective and warn them never to do it in real life unless absolutely necessary.

    • @alexanderzhulin3528
      @alexanderzhulin3528 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@SINdaBlock411 In real hypothetical situation where throw is perfectly executed sure :)

    • @SINdaBlock411
      @SINdaBlock411 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@alexanderzhulin3528 that's what judoka do, at least decent ones, why the surprise did you ever even train judo

    • @hidan407
      @hidan407 Před 6 měsíci +1

      So if you learned boxing, Judo and Bjj together, you would damn near be set in every area in a real fight? Except if they had a weapon

  • @unknownentity8256
    @unknownentity8256 Před 7 měsíci +60

    Not surprising result, BJJ wins Judo if you can avoid stand up grappling and even then it doesn't matter much since there is mats, but in a imaginary street fight situation if a Judoka manages to grab you, and slam you on the pavement, game over.

    • @ivanramirez8828
      @ivanramirez8828 Před 7 měsíci +8

      I can tell you from some unfortunate experience, getting thrown on mats hurts quite a bit if you are not trained how to fall. if you notice, jeff is able to break/roll with the fall very well, which is a skill in of itself. even if he was on concrete, he would have been able to continue fighting because of his excellent fall technique. now for the average guy, being flopped on the hard ground is a ender.

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci +7

      true!

    • @unknownentity8256
      @unknownentity8256 Před 7 měsíci

      Yes I know from experience what getting slammed on tatami feels like from a judo black belt, you can get K.O'd even. I'm aware also that falling in itself is a skill, one area of wrestling/grappling, sure.
      Now saying that last part is bit funny to me, that assumes your able to land the same way, it's all circumstancial. Furthermore I think even landing properly could still knock even a trained fighter out, because it's completely different when it's concrete. There is well trained judoka's in competition that are K.O'd cold from a throw, even while landing with technique, but it doesn't matter if you have all the technique in the world, if the circumstances do not allow to use technique.@@ivanramirez8828

    • @ricardokerscher
      @ricardokerscher Před 5 měsíci

      There is no knowing how to fall if you are thrown head first...@@ivanramirez8828

    • @jonathanjoestar9317
      @jonathanjoestar9317 Před měsícem +1

      Judo is one of those martial arts where environment matters the most

  • @louisjolliet3369
    @louisjolliet3369 Před 7 měsíci +3

    You are extremely well-rounded, man. I also always appreciate your sparring intensity.

  • @Ben10Blader
    @Ben10Blader Před 7 měsíci +3

    This is a video that could help anyone appreciate and understand the art of grappling. Great video, Jeff.

  • @zacharywong483
    @zacharywong483 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Super great, thorough, and understandable commentary here, Jeff!

  • @angelcota5476
    @angelcota5476 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video bro. I love the way you sneak clips of what you were trying to do, it makes the hole thing much more immersive and understandable, looking forward to more grappling videos!!

  • @jylpah
    @jylpah Před 6 měsíci +6

    The both showed really nice technique. Those judo sweeps and throws are just awesome. BJJ ground-game is on totally different level.

  • @glennx8986
    @glennx8986 Před 7 měsíci +13

    A video on judo throws no gi+ follow up would be very nice to add to the game. I love wrestling but i think judo has a lot of good but is often misunderstood.

  • @mikelobao
    @mikelobao Před 19 dny

    Love your wrapping videos just as much as your Mauy Thai videos.
    What ever you put out it's golden

  • @johnzambrana6884
    @johnzambrana6884 Před 7 měsíci

    Would love to see more of this, learned a lot in just this one video thank you!

  • @maxzhao8331
    @maxzhao8331 Před 7 měsíci

    Great stuff! Love the grappling videos!

  • @nickyeng7444
    @nickyeng7444 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Excellent video with a great narration as always. Jay exhibits great control and grace. Most of my judo training was outside of the US where there seemed to be more of a balance between the training of Nage-Waza, Katame-Waza and Atemi-Waza. Judo can be all encompassing if we let it. Sometimes it's ok to turn off the sport mode and go old school;)
    The judo and BJJ cross training combination is really formidable. I know for me it took over a decade after shodan to really start to scrape the surface in terms of the way these two arts can offer synergies in a fight situation.
    Jeff, your ground game is becoming very impresive. It is starting to look intuitive and instinctive, nice job.

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci

      thank you bro!!

    • @zartic4life
      @zartic4life Před 5 měsíci

      Tradional Judo is complete Jujitsu no need to cross train.

  • @davidweinstein4583
    @davidweinstein4583 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Nice work! Please keep sharing the grappling.

  • @USMC_LAterZ
    @USMC_LAterZ Před 3 měsíci

    Love these videos, Jeff!

  • @MrHmmburger
    @MrHmmburger Před 7 měsíci +6

    More grappling!! Great lesson again, good job Jeff! But honestly variety is awesome, i try to latch on to at least one idea and try out. and if you cycle through different departments of the mma game, I always look forward to it

  • @m5a1stuart83
    @m5a1stuart83 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice details, the transitions from side control and how to defend it is good. gotta teach this to my kids.

  • @seymourscagnetti1413
    @seymourscagnetti1413 Před 7 měsíci

    Another excellent demonstration. Cheers!

  • @blankblank103
    @blankblank103 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Your grappling videos are awesome

  • @marcreyes9758
    @marcreyes9758 Před 7 měsíci

    Great stuff! More grappling videos please!

  • @joshuaschleich6277
    @joshuaschleich6277 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I would love to see more grappling content, awesome video!

  • @ArmadusMalaysia
    @ArmadusMalaysia Před 7 měsíci

    i'm going to sign up for your bjj online class as soon as it hits november .i'm excited! also, whenever you come to malaysia, you're welcome to train with us!

  • @TheOneJBass
    @TheOneJBass Před 7 měsíci

    This is a great breakdowns I know I'm not the only one that would love to see some more striking and grappling breakdowns highlighting techniques

  • @alexpointon784
    @alexpointon784 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great stuff again Jeff. J's throws were really cool, wish I could throw like that!!

  • @simeonkriel2878
    @simeonkriel2878 Před 7 měsíci

    I would love more of these!

  • @cambodian_joyboy
    @cambodian_joyboy Před 7 měsíci +2

    Love the play by play, learning alot from it

  • @WatThaDeuce
    @WatThaDeuce Před 7 měsíci

    Very informative for me, thanks!

  • @soapy12331
    @soapy12331 Před 7 měsíci +2

    "Oooh weee!" "Oh my goodness!" 😂 Amazing content as always, Jeff. And even better cameraman commentary

  • @SQU1NTZ
    @SQU1NTZ Před 7 měsíci

    Would love to see more grappling videos. Loved every second of this! Maybe make a video on your k-guard. it looks smooth

  • @tomdecock6027
    @tomdecock6027 Před 3 měsíci

    Best format of video ever!

  • @BMO_Creative
    @BMO_Creative Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing Stuff Jeff! Your K guard is on point bro! I love Jay's throws! They are totally cinematic! LOL

  • @Archone666
    @Archone666 Před 6 měsíci

    LOVING what I'm seeing here. Excellent and very educational. I do note that a lot of the comments in regards to the Judo throws being deliberately softened as much as possible sound very much like when strikers like myself point out that we're hitting with soft or light contact during sparring.
    And a lot of the grapplers don't GET that; the Gracies really did mess up people's understanding of what's effective with their hype, just like how karate and taekwondo had people thinking that taking your shoes off before kicking someone was better than keeping them on and slamming someone's head while wearing foot protection.
    (to say nothing of the misconceptions people started having when it came to ninjutsu. The McDojos had everyone convinced that they could walk around in broad daylight wearing neon colored ninja outfits, insta-winning against everyone they came across :P )

  • @AmiralAkbar1
    @AmiralAkbar1 Před 7 měsíci

    Very technical, very instructive video, ty very much

  • @justinfraser307
    @justinfraser307 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Would love to see more grappling and mma videos!

  • @asrimuhammad7951
    @asrimuhammad7951 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Next sparring breakdown video= MMA vs Silat sparring techniques. Love your videos from Malaysia❤️🇲🇾

  • @user-mc9kv4ti4x
    @user-mc9kv4ti4x Před 6 měsíci

    Very nice video!

  • @Thesavagesouls
    @Thesavagesouls Před 7 měsíci +6

    All the sweat on the mat lol Great technical video as always Jeff !

  • @blakewangler230
    @blakewangler230 Před 5 dny

    I truly love judo I love the Standing Submissions and Throws.
    They also have a fair bit of Newaza as well it's so underrated.

  • @taftphotography
    @taftphotography Před 7 měsíci

    Very nice Jeff!

  • @AlanHernandez-nh3vr
    @AlanHernandez-nh3vr Před 7 měsíci +13

    He didn't over committed, a real judoka will always protect uke when throwing, he could land on top but it's dangerous for uke so he put the hands on the mat. Throws are not difficult, protecting uke is the hard part.

  • @peggyoasis
    @peggyoasis Před 7 měsíci

    Great job!!!

  • @PaMuShin
    @PaMuShin Před 7 měsíci +7

    Your ground work got pretty incredible, you gonna give Nathan Levy one hell of a time, even this partner looked quite tortured. I am pretty curious if you added one or two new take downs too, seems like you invested very much time into improving ground fighting.

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci +3

      Jordan and Nathan are gonna be trouble for me at the USDC :(

    • @PaMuShin
      @PaMuShin Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@MMAShredded you are doing good, just learn to relax a bit, you sure gonna perform better if your thoughts are clear, relaxed and controlled. Maybe go for some autogenous training, it is a thing a lot of peak athletes do

    • @kovenmaitreya7184
      @kovenmaitreya7184 Před 6 měsíci

      Jeff is fighting Natan?!

  • @gavsmackedya
    @gavsmackedya Před 7 měsíci

    Wow he’s so good and familiar with the trips/hip tosses so beautiful to see it done so flawlessly

  • @alecto1468
    @alecto1468 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice detailed breakdown video as always. Also, I noticed that you have a training retreat course in Vietnam. I have my little cousin who lives there, he is a big fan of you, if it's possible that he can meet you at Ben Thanh market?

  • @SuperNontheist
    @SuperNontheist Před 7 měsíci +3

    Excellent technique!

  • @andrewtregoning
    @andrewtregoning Před 6 měsíci

    this is why i love cross training, we have so much to teach each other

  • @30035XD
    @30035XD Před 7 měsíci

    Damn! Those throws were sick af.

  • @andreywinter8399
    @andreywinter8399 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The main mistake of a judoka is that he went to the ground to fight after a throw. In real combat this is not necessary.

  • @markonovakovic3838
    @markonovakovic3838 Před 7 měsíci

    I really like "this is what I was trying to do" concept

  • @mightyshaoblitz
    @mightyshaoblitz Před 6 měsíci

    Congratulations on your BB Jeff! Oss!!!

  • @pangopod2969
    @pangopod2969 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice breakdown

  • @ragequittinggaming2342
    @ragequittinggaming2342 Před 4 měsíci

    Beautiful No-Gi Judo throws man! SICK!!

  • @sotheysay4040
    @sotheysay4040 Před 4 dny

    Dang your mats all super sweaty!

  • @awfully.average
    @awfully.average Před 6 měsíci

    i once fought a gentle giant of a judo black belt when i was a blue belt once , i really couldnt stay on my feet for very long , but on the mat , he kept turtling or went flat on his tummy to avoid hooks in, but i kept getting him with an armbar

  • @cem7387
    @cem7387 Před 4 měsíci +1

    This was a good video

  • @MaxTheFireCat
    @MaxTheFireCat Před 7 měsíci +5

    damn you guys are sweating like hell, great fight

  • @WintinWolf
    @WintinWolf Před 7 měsíci +2

    So much well executed and beautiful technique as always! Taking advantage of his overcommitment after that awesome uchi-mata was a clever tactic. Great video, great sparring, awesome stuff from both of you guys.

  • @drysalmon21
    @drysalmon21 Před 6 měsíci

    I would love to see more grappling

  • @YaseenKhaliiq
    @YaseenKhaliiq Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great sparring partner love judo !
    He controlled that through beautifully !

  • @brandonc5778
    @brandonc5778 Před 7 měsíci

    Awesome video. What art should I start with?

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Muay Thai or karate for striking and bjj/wrestling for grappling!

    • @brandonc5778
      @brandonc5778 Před 7 měsíci

      @@MMAShredded TY. I will start as soon as I am released from the Oregon State Hospital 5 years & 11 months from now. LOL!

  • @stormeagle28
    @stormeagle28 Před měsícem

    I'm Judoka for more than 30 years now and BJJ player too. At 4:50 it's no over-commitment, he did his Uchi Mata very well (which in a Judo tournament would have made him win by Ippon instantly) and tried everything he could to not fall onto you - what you took advantage from. Also fighting in no-gi styles is a big disadvantage for Judokas, especially in Ne Waza (groundfighting).

  • @homegrownrevolution9350
    @homegrownrevolution9350 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Fun video! As much as I love Judo, it always seems to match up poorly with other grappling arts. I think this is because it’s such a specialized system. Not only does it focus nearly exclusively on the standing position, it also makes shooting illegal, a lot like Greco Roman wrestling. And with no gi to grip, it puts Judokas at such a disadvantage in these rolls. I suspect Jeff was playing his standup specifically for the experience of testing his Judo a bit. If he wanted to get thrown less and score more, I’m pretty sure he could have wrestled from stance and made for a different roll all together, but that would have been a much less interesting experience. That being said, I think there’s an exception to the Judo problem. Elite Judokas - top of the food chain players - are a very different breed. They may actually be the most elite grapplers. I’m not sure because we never get to see Olympic Judo vs. Olympic wrestling or ADCC BJJ, but I suspect those guys would actually compete very well in a roll like this.

    • @lamesurfer1015
      @lamesurfer1015 Před 6 měsíci +2

      I'm a wrestler (Folk, Greco, and Catch), Judoka, did 3 amateur MMA fights many moons ago, and a BJJ player. I think what you said is a misconception.
      The trouble with comparing the grappling arts is that there is no one "format" to do so. Each "grappling style" tests different skills / values, which is reflected in the point system. For example, an ADCC caliber grappler would more than likely get absolutely destroyed in a Collegiate Folkstyle Wrestling ruleset, where pins, escapes, and back exposure score points.
      You can't fall into the trap of thinking "because Judo guys loose at BJJ, they are bad grapplers." (When actually, you'll find many of them are still pretty good on the ground despite never having taken a day of BJJ). BJJ is not the "universal grappling ruleset."
      Instead, you have to look at the skills each art values. This is how I look at it:
      * Judo's specialty is Clothed/unclothed throws, sweeps, and trips. It sub-specializes in upper body submissions and pins.
      * Greco Roman's specialty is unclothed upper body throws and clinch fighting. It sub-specializes in upper body pin retention
      * Freestyle's specialty unclothed takedowns and throws, which it does very well. It sub-specializes in pins.
      * Gi BJJ's specialty clothed/unclothed upper body submissions (particularly Guard). It sub-specializes in gaining position.
      * No Gi BJJ's specialty is unclothed upper and lower body submissions (particularly leg locks).
      * Folkstyle Wrestling's specialty is unclothed takedowns, pins, rides, and escapes.
      A good practitioner of one art should be able to translate parts of their game into similar parts of another grappling sport. It's never 1 for 1, but it can be close. That same athlete then has to develop skills that they aren't familiar with to compete. In my experience it is MUCH faster to develop ground skill than standing skill - but that's neither here nor there. Either way, you can never expect a pure exponent of a sport to dominate another athlete in an area where the other specializes in.
      Anyhow, I've known plenty of Judokas who within a couple of months, have made the switch to Wrestling, BJJ, or MMA and caught on quickly. I think it's a great "base."

  • @bobbyjackson7325
    @bobbyjackson7325 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Jodoka is a great grappling art for stand up grappling.

  • @yogsothoth-tz2bu
    @yogsothoth-tz2bu Před 6 měsíci

    Jay is already a takedown monster, when his ground game improves , he will be a force of nature.

  • @Benw8888
    @Benw8888 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Sounds to me like the BJJ vs Judoka fight comes down to how hard the ground is (aka how much damage the BJJ person takes from the throw). Correct me if I'm wrong please.

    • @lamesurfer1015
      @lamesurfer1015 Před 6 měsíci +2

      In a competition? Assuming both are the average Judo / BJJ players?
      It comes down to a stupid rule called "Duty to Attack." In Judo, you are obliged to fight when standing. This means the Judoka can totally disengage and stand-up, forcing the BJJ player to fight upright. In BJJ, its the opposite, where you are obligated to fight on the ground. If one fighter (willingly or otherwise) goes there and doesn't get back up, you must continue to ground fight.
      There was a really crazy Russian competition that pitted Sambo/Judo guys against BJJ guys. There was ZERO "duty to attack," which meant that the Sambo/Judo guy would simply walk away if things were not going his way and the BJJ guy would sit down at the slightest hint of a takedown. After about 8 mins of what would be considered stalling in both sports, the Sambo/Judo guy won... by leg lock. Strangely enough, the BJJ guy scored the only takedown IIRC, by sweeping the Sambo/Judo guy from sitting.
      Following these strategies and if no one was allowed to strike, I'd wager the person who wins is the one that gets the least bored.
      If strikes were allowed, I'd wager on the Judoka purely because they spend more time standing.

  • @mikemosley535
    @mikemosley535 Před 2 měsíci

    Yellow belt in judo.
    Multi stripe white belt in bjj.
    The 2 combined is deadly.
    Love hitting a de ahsi on people in bjj. So satisfying.
    Sweep right into side control

  • @KS-ru3bi
    @KS-ru3bi Před 5 měsíci

    Judo throws peak on the landing then winding down, dues to Judo Ippon scoring system. Meanwhile, Jiu-Jitsu starts from the landing, either redirects the impact momentum or taking advantages of Judoka rolling off to come up, in a sense, using Judo sacrifice throws.
    Judoka will not accept being thrown on the back and therefore you need to commit 100%. However, with Jiu-Jitsu, most of the guys will accept the throw and wait for the landing so you can peak in mid-air and then slow down and take your time figuring out your preferred position.
    On landing, I like to frame with far arm to create distance between our hips and land in T off position. This will prevent him from using your momentum to come up, and not right on top of you. It will be a race to see who comes up first but I think you will be at a stronger position, because you can back step and use that kicking momentum to come up.
    Awesome round!

  • @mfp5585
    @mfp5585 Před 6 měsíci

    It makes sense the BJJ fighter has an advantage in a no-gi setting with BJJ rules. However you would have lost by ippon several times before being able to do anything on the ground under judo rules, and in a self defence scenario on hard floor getting thrown like that also doesn't sound like a nice experience.

  • @meffis
    @meffis Před 5 měsíci

    beautiful!

  • @kovenmaitreya7184
    @kovenmaitreya7184 Před 6 měsíci

    Congrats on the black belt! I thought you deserved it ages ago haha!

  • @Baucelion
    @Baucelion Před 7 měsíci +1

    Judo is good in stand up game as well as in ground game. Don’t think judokas stink at ground fighting bc of this video. What’s happening here is that BJJ is rather ok at stand up game and EXCELLENT at ground fighting. In judo you won’t be taught how to leg lock and how to defend it (because it’s forbidden in the sport), you won’t learn de la riva or x guard because if one is standing and the other is lying the match restarts. Si the judoka dosn’t have the experience to pass guard from standing, norbeing too fluent on the ground. If youw ever do judo you’ll see it is very stiff on the ground. That’s how the competition determines the practice. In judo once you get to kesa gatame you become a stone and it’s hardly impossible to exit that. But in BJJ the don’t really know how to pin correctly and focus a lot on how to finish from a top postion and so. Just to point out some differences.

  • @mahdman3
    @mahdman3 Před 6 měsíci

    Nice!

  • @ichkaodko7020
    @ichkaodko7020 Před 7 měsíci

    wondering what would you do in case when you try to lock the leg, then opponents kick you face?

  • @x3gxu
    @x3gxu Před 7 měsíci +1

    Do you find front choke at 3:15 effective? Is it legal in bjj? Don't really see it being used, that's why I'm asking

    • @pennc81
      @pennc81 Před 7 měsíci

      You talking about that "r*pe choke"? It's not effective to actually finish, that's why you don't see it. However, it is effective to get your opponent to react and bring their hands up to defend so you can move to a higher mount and set up armbar/triangle.

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci +1

      haha no not effective at all I was just trolling him for a second

  • @DaniloCatania-vm7nb
    @DaniloCatania-vm7nb Před 6 měsíci

    Sanda here, I find myself in the same position when I stand up grapple in jitz , I get the takedowns but I dont want to land on peoples ribs so I leave this room that a bjj guy can capitilize on

  • @ralddyfrancisco9677
    @ralddyfrancisco9677 Před 6 měsíci

    Estos Movimientos son increibles

  • @artygganza6172
    @artygganza6172 Před 6 měsíci

    Congrats for the black belt🎉🎉🎉 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @cbroo69
    @cbroo69 Před 7 měsíci +2

    5:04 The only issue with overthrowing is training on padded mats and overthrowing. On da streetz its not an issue

    • @JudoP_slinging
      @JudoP_slinging Před 7 měsíci

      You could probably amend the statement to "the problem with judo *in a bjj/mma environment*".
      For non-grappling-trained opponents, especially on hard surfaces, concrete, hardwood flooring etc, I wouldn't imagine overcommiting throws to be a problem at all.

  • @WRESTLINGROMA
    @WRESTLINGROMA Před 4 měsíci

    Cool judoka ✊ landed two beautiful takedowns

  • @jacobstromburg5803
    @jacobstromburg5803 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Those mats are looking nasty

  • @sanjitjashan
    @sanjitjashan Před 6 měsíci

    Your BJJ is next level…awesome

  • @akromawrath7353
    @akromawrath7353 Před 7 měsíci

    Awesome 👏💪👍

  • @justaname935
    @justaname935 Před 7 měsíci

    love it- more with judoka sambo people is wonderful

  • @Lowkicksfordayz
    @Lowkicksfordayz Před 7 měsíci +29

    Everyone has a plan until they get kicked in the leg “ Muay thaison

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci +4

      haha

    • @saidmak8419
      @saidmak8419 Před 7 měsíci

      We dont see this in MMA.all we see is that the strickers get choked by the grapplers

  • @tinybatmanname9476
    @tinybatmanname9476 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Judo is so sick. It was my primary form of getting people down before I got into wrestling.
    As i’ve gotten better at wrestling I completely see why wrestling is so dominant in mma etc.
    I now see judo more so as a great compliment to wrestling instead of being a primary takedown method. But that’s just me.

    • @MMAShredded
      @MMAShredded  Před 7 měsíci +2

      cheers!!

    • @lamesurfer1015
      @lamesurfer1015 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I still swing back and forth. At this point I've picked up enough Greco, Judo, and Folkstyle to mix and match. I don't even see it as "moves" or "mindset" as much as tools for different situations. Each sport has situations that pop up more often and therefore you find yourself using those tools more often. For example, I find myself using uki waza (lateral drops), tawara gaeshis (chest wrap) and sumi gaeshis in wrestling. I use a lot of Uchi Mata and Sasae in BJJ. I primarily use Osoto, Sasae, and inside trips in Judo.
      Although, when I'm tired or going up against a physical beast, I tend to start thinking like a Judoka. Also, in MMA I use "No-Gi" Judo almost exclusively.

    • @tinybatmanname9476
      @tinybatmanname9476 Před 6 měsíci

      @@lamesurfer1015 Nearly the same for me.
      Not a big Osoto guy but I respect those who use it.
      Sasaes are the most underrated form of takedown. The versatility of them is wild

  • @nunoalexandre6408
    @nunoalexandre6408 Před 7 měsíci

    Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @tenfeetwanderers774
    @tenfeetwanderers774 Před 5 měsíci +1

    If it wasnt friendly randori, Judoka would just slam person on ground, then stand around and wait for the BJJ person to either get up and taken for another throw, or remain on the ground wondering why the judoka is just standing there.

  • @jchen8260
    @jchen8260 Před 7 měsíci

    would love to see a justin gaethje's tactic or how to fight like gaethje video

  • @jinxit
    @jinxit Před 5 měsíci

    J didn't overcommit on that uchi Mata, he just didn't want to break your ribs

  • @shechshire
    @shechshire Před 2 měsíci

    What belt color does the Judoka have?