The BAD GUY REDEMPTION! Who Did It Best? - Despicable Me vs Megamind vs Wreck It Ralph!
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Dreamworks' The Bad Guys is being released TODAY! So in celebration, I wanted to do a little something centered on quote unquote "bad guys". Y'know, those characters that aren't really evil villains but were just kind of forced into the bad guy role by society and their peers, usually to the point where they either can't or don't know how to be anything else? I saw The Bad Guys trailer and it seems like that movie is gonna be in a similar vein. So my weird brain decided "Hey! Let's pit Wreck It Ralph from Disney, Megamind from Dreamworks and Despicable Me from Illumination Entertainment against each other and see which one has the best story about a bad guy going good and rising to fame!" Yeeeeeeah it was a really weird idea in hindsight, but hey, it gives me an excuse to talk about one major movie from each of the 3 animation giants. And they're all films I like so that's a plus! This is the first time I'm doing one of these ranked or comparison video things so let me know if it worked out ok. :P It was definitely more work than I thought it would be.
P.S. - I know that Ralph's story isn't so much a "Redemption" as it is a "Journey" I guess? But it's still got similar steps with the whole society forcing him into the role and not giving him any leeway to do anything but be a bad guy, so I think that still counts. ^^ Sorry if it was a little confusing though.
0:00 Introduction and What is a "Bad Guy"?
2:38 Gru from Despicable Me
9:38 Megamind from Megamind
15:56 Ralph from Wreck It Ralph
22:37 Conclusion and Winner!
#TheBadGuys #Dreamworks #Disney #DespicableMe #Minions #Megamind - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Let’s be honest, Ralph wasn’t a ‘bad guy’, he was just programmed to be.
"Just because you are bad guy does not mean you are bad guy"
He was only "bad" in the sense that it was his job... which is kinda crazy
@@Jon-id7ki Much like an actor
"I'm not bad... I was just programmed that way.."
(sorry, had to say it x3)
I’m not a bad person. Just had bad luck
He wanted to be loved: Gru
He wanted a purpose: Megamind
He wanted to be respected: Ralph
That is what I think sets them apart.
Wouldn't Gru's be wanting to be loved AND wanting a purpose?
Well said.
Well, grus mum hated him, that makes sense
He wanted to be loved......well.....actually gru already got that.....in memes
One thing I love about Megamind is when he double checks the “De” gun is on “Dehydrate” and not “Destroy” before zapping Bernard. He really doesn’t want to permanently damage anyone.
He's truly a good guy at heart.
Never noticed that’s what he was doing
whoa, I never noticed that
There's a "deez nuts" joke here somewhere, but I can't figure it out
Didn’t catch that. Good call.
I also love how Metroman wasn't given a choice in his hero status either in Megamind. It just was sort of forced onto both kids from an early age and they both decided to choose their own paths.
A lot of these bad guy redemption stories make the traditional hero into the villain which is kind of lazy. I appreciate that Megamind and Wreck it Ralph don't go that route.
@@Superluigi881
Yeah and even Despicable Me didn’t really do that, since there was no « traditional hero » in the movie!
I feel that he was given more of a choice than mega mind, mega mind always tried to be good and was just nerding out as a kid, till metro man after maybe months or years of putting him in the time out corner time after time again for trying to be nice, he decides if he isnt fit to be good, he is fit to be what he was taught. Metro man however was praised by others for punishing someone that tried to be nice, and he liked the praise, so he ignores justice and tries to get the praise instead of helping at all. Yeah sure he didn't want to be the hero as an adult. But he could always just tell the public that. He has his own city, he is a mayor. He can broadcast news or set up another gathering near the pool to tell them that he is retiring. Its better than false advertising your funeral.
@@entroray9703 That isn't how it works when you've had all those years of expectations and adoration going on. If they know he's alive somewhere, people will go to find him with either pleas to help with little things or with hate for leaving them. And given he's been helping them forever and all he has is their praise, he would possibly fall to guilt and continue helping anyways. The only way he could think of to get away was to start over from scratch, pretend he doesn't exist and no one else can know either, all at once so no one can stop him from going. Now all those expectations are off of him and he's enjoying what he wants to do rather than what everyone told him to do. He's sort of the "gifted golden child" to Megamind's "troubled child", having to realize at some point his choices don't always line up with other people's choices for him and taking it into his own hands alone.
I actually feel that megamind and metroman could have actually been friends.
Personally I had a slightly different interpretation of Wreck It Ralph. I saw Ralph as a metaphor for people who work jobs that are underappreciated and underpaid but are essential for society to function, like a Trashman or something. The fact that the movie ends with Ralph not rebelling but finding joy and worth in his role, and with his community realizing how important he is and treating him better shows that he doesn't need to change, but everyone (including himself) needs to show him respect.
[Edit: OK. Trashman was a bad example. I even kinda knew that when writing this. Feel free to replace it with any Minimum wage job our modern society needs to function that can't be easily automated]
Interesting since that seems to be the case with the massive teams of video game developers
I am the trashman I eat trash
What you meant was the garbage man
Yep
Exactly
That's how I understood Wreck-It Ralph as well. His entire journey was about earning respect, with the lesson being that the most important person you need to have respect you...is yourself.
Megamind was, at its core, about Nature vs Nurture. He was raised by criminals in a prison and was always "expected" to be evil, and even embraced it for most of his life, but it becomes clear through the film that he clearly wants something else. Metroman is, in fact, also an exploration of this. Pushed into being a superhero when his heart isn't in it.
Gru... might still be a supervillain? I don't clearly remember the Despicable Me films and didn't actually see the 3rd one yet.
To me, it feels like Megamind is the only actual Badguy Redemption story of the bunch... Ralph never struck me as a bad guy outside of job description, and Gru didn't really confront his entitlements. Megamind saw the harm he caused, felt remorse, and sought to fix it.
The one thing that I wanted to see (but may understandably be a little too preachy), is if in the end, when the Megamind statue was to be revealed, it turned out he re-erected the Metro Man statue instead with a "He sacrificed everything to be your hero, and my need for attention caused nothing but trouble, this statue represents the best of both of us".
What about bad guy turned less bad?
I agree. Megamind's exploration of the "Nature vs Nurture" argument makes his film the strongest villain redemption arc of the 3 presented. Gru, as far as I know, is still actually a supervillain. And Ralph's entire story was about getting respect for how integral he is for his game to work.
An interesting idea, but Metro Man wasn't in it to save the city either. He enjoyed the theatrics just as much as Megamind did, and was mostly in the job for the attention that it gave him. Until he realized that it wasn't fulfilling, that is.
So then a big statue of them beating Tighten, maybe
And then bookend it with:
"I LOVE YOU MEGAMIND!"
"And I love you, random human!"
In my opinion Ralph shouldn't be compared to the other two. His story isn't a real redemption story. It's a story about him proving to everyone that he isn't a bad guy while the other two are bad turning good. Ralph was only "bad" because that's who his character is in his game. Ralph in person is extremely friendly and nice. And only ever did anything bad either on accident or to protect someone else.
Even Shrek was more of a villain (altho Shrek was like 1 scene away from touching the Evil part of the alignment chart)
Gene and Candy were supposed to be the main villains
@@rompevuevitos222 how? how was Shrek ever evil?
the worst thing he did was yell at some people that trespassed, interrupt a tournament, and brutalize some knights that attacked him first. I can't remember him doing anything particularly "evil" or relishing in a bad action, besides when he taunts the knights that attack him in farquaad's fortress.
@@hobomike6935 he was very chaotic neutral and was openly hostile against everyone. Not actually evil ofc, but not far off either
@@rompevuevitos222 shrek is like a tvtropes disney antihero
I like how the voice actors for Megamind and Ralph (Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly respectively) are common comedy duos in other films
And yet they haven’t been a comedy trio with Steve Carell.
I see a problem there.
Steve Carell as Gru was pretty good
@@williammorahan4907 Steve Carell and Will Farrell have had a small duo in the episodes of The Office where Michael Scott is leaving for Florida and hires Deangelo as his replacement.
@@y.k.2726Really? What/Which episode was that?
@@williammorahan4907 Training Day and Michael's Last Dundies were the episodes where Steve Carell and Will Farrell had the small duo.
I put this to you: Gru was not properly "redeemed" until the beginning of the second movie.
Nothing in the first and first alone means he has to give up crime. And given the girls' reaction to blowing up the carny game they would have fun with him regardless of what side of the law he's on.
Your argument is... Logical
You raise a good point, but I'd argue that Gru's seeing the ticket out in space was when he finally realized what brought him true happiness, and his saving the girls from Vector was what sealed his redemption
@@Tiquono Is a supervillain not a supervillain just because they care about family? Can one not both be a doer of notorious deeds holding the world for ransom and still fight for little girls who you are raising in the family business?
Exactly! Just because the mafia has a family business doesn’t absolve them from their evil deeds
@@travissmith2848 Does someone have to fall into societies expectations to be a morally good person? Legality does not define morality and that's why the law can change, but what's morally right and wrong cannot.
Shrek technically counts in this.
It has a lot of layers!
He's no one's messenger boy, alright. He's a delivery boy.
Ahem, I believe you meant to say “Shreknically”
@@caracal429 Yes
He was never a “villain” though, at worst he was originally just kinda a jerk. Shrek still counts as a redemption story though since he had a change of heart.
A great “redemption” arc is the iron giant. The fact that a super weapon built for the sole purpose of destruction becomes a pacifist and sacrifices his own life in order to save lives instead of take them I believe is the greatest redemption there is. I know that in the end credits he’s still alive, but my statement still stands since he didn’t expect to survive
The Iron Giant technically wasn’t much of a “villain” to begin with - he was a weapon without any free will of his own that simply followed his programming and his arc was about gaining self awareness and choosing who he wanted to be. He didn’t have a choice - until Hogarth showed him how.
Iron Giant is a classic character and movie, how he goes from being what he was programmed to be to following the steps of his hero superman.
I have to agree that Megamind has the best villain redemption, and, personally, I feel it's the best movie of the three thanks in part to its social commentary. I mean, how many animated family films deal with issues like nature vs nurture, classism, stalking, identity, etc. this well? Yet it still manages to be fun. Hopefully, the upcoming Megamind series will be just as good!
They do a series?? Never heard from that😳
@@jenspohlmann6179 apparently, and im not sure if this is confirmed, it has megamind learning to be a hero and a social media influencer. fingers crossed..
@@jenspohlmann6179 It's not out yet, of course, but the creators announced a couple of months ago that it's being made and is going to appear on the Peacock streaming service. :)
@@UnseelieRose another streaming service??? And then they are whining because of piracy🙈
It was kind of stupid how roxanne just ends up with him though she should’ve just mept being distanced
I _think_ the current state of Despicable canon is that there's an "original" pack of minions who started working for Gru, and then he used science to make more. In the Minions film there's only like 50 of them, and it's clear they don't multiply on their own as their numbers never seemed to change over the montage of the Minions movie. Meanwhile Gru has closer to 400 in his employ.
So it's entirely possible that both "Minions are an ancient species" and "Gru makes Minions" are true with no contradictions.
I wish I remembered these films' story beats as clearly as I remember weird setting details.
Film theory did at heart on that i think
the fact that their numbers dont change much during the montage and throughout the minions movie means that they probably can multiply or reproduce in some way. there's no chance every single individual minion lived and survived through all the eras and shit they got into. if they couldn't reproduce then they would've gone extinct very quickly.
basically, the reason their numbers dont seem to change is probably due to the fact that they die at the same rate that they reproduce.
There is a MeatCanyon video explaining how Minions come to be.
@@ziggyzoo9335 they literally can't die
Ok hear me out. Minions need evil to reproduce. They reproduce via mitosis and during the centuries where they were trapped in their cave most minions died except for the few that we see in the movie. After decades of working for Gru, it's like their reproduction powers that were held for centuries suddenly released and now there's hundreds of minions.
But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory
Megamind did it best, no comparison. Wreck It Ralph doesn't even make the list cause the whole time he didn't even want to be the bad guy in the first place.
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he isnt a bad guy person, he is a bad guy character actor.
@@marcosdheleno exactly. He doesn't even qualify for the list since its just an act/performance :/
@@killeing also don't forget megamind never asked to be the villain it was actually metro man who gave him that roll he was just blamed and bullied until he needed to defend himself where he was blamed even more for it with the others alteast they had some semblance of choice, whereas this whole city/planet thats the size of a city forced the role of villain on him
@@user-op6kt8pg9y well i wouldn't know about that part- it didn't force the role of "villain" on him, he basically had the same "villain backstory" many villains get such as being bullied or raised, or in his case both, into villainy so him becoming a villain made sense and was his own idea~
The whole point of wreck it Ralph isn't about Ralph is the villian, he was programmed to be this way but in his real core he isn't the bad guy, he just does what the machine want to him to do.
Another point about Gru is that villainy is the family business, like the son of a member of the mob. He definitely went into it hoping he’d eventually get approval from his mother.
Gru only found out about the family business from his brother, who he didn't even know existed.
I just wanna say as someone who watched Despicable Me a hundred times over before the 2nd film came out, thank you for talking so sensibly about the movie and Gru’s arc. I adored it so much when I was younger and not even because of the more annoying aspects. Because of the way this lonely man learned to love and live in a healthy manner thanks to these three precious girls who were arguably just as lonely.
I mean it. The girls were orphans forced into labor with only themselves to take care of each other. Especially Margo, who seems to do most of the talking for the trio. That’s why I loved Gru and Margo’s relationship the most. Margo became the ultimate thing Gru sacrificed his life for, him showing just how much he’s grown for the better. Margo was able to be the most vulnerable she’s ever been when she put her life into his hands and that paid off. Now she doesn’t have to always be the one calling the shots to ensure her sisters’ comfort and safety, including her own, as well. She has a guardian she trusts enough to feel secure around.
Sorry for the long ramble, but god, I just love this movie an unhealthy amount.
HE was really protective of her in the second and third.
Yeah the first movie is def a gem even it doesn't try to hit the emotional beats these other two hit.
Shouldn't Wreck-it-Ralph lose this by default via disqualification? He was essentially just an actor playing the villain role for an audience. The other actors treating him like shit even though they all knew the truth doesn't change that. If anything, Gene was a real villain and never got any comeuppance because he apparently had a change of heart off-screen. (love the film but that still doesn't add up after his previous scene where he victim-blamed Ralph)
I think he was an actual villain. But but he wanted to change so he could hang out with other people
@@Dashiell777 I'd add to Emperor of Nothing's comment of "disqualification" that his sequel made him unlikable.
@@robbiewalker2831 yeah well the sequel is one of Disney's were sequels ever and not counting the properties they bought but their original films
@Bronze Eagle Productions I'm sorry if I disagree that you I just haven't seen the film in a long time but I get what you're saying now
Don’t think to much into it. In simple terms, his movie counts as bad guy redemption
And Gru still paid for the muffin and coffee despite it not being his anyway.
Not really since he only added 25¢ to a tip jar
@@JarenLemon still more then 90 percent of people tip 😅
Professionals have standards
Gru 100% stole that takeout, not to mention freezing everyone in the line before doing so.
@@hobomike6935 Even if it wasn't the right amount of money he should've payed, he still tipped the woman.
There's another layer in Megamind's message that isn't present in Wreck-It-Ralph: the designated hero can/will not always be the hero. Not that Metroman wanted to be bad, he just wanted to relax a bit, but just like society forced the bad role on Megamind, it forced the good one on him. When he was a kid, he revelled in it, but as he grew older he realized that there is maybe more to life than just being "the guy who always saves the day".
Sure, him changing his ways is played for laughs, and he was much better off being the hero than Megamind was being the villain, but the message stands.
However he couldn't just call it quits, so he put up a façade and kept going. Hell, even during his speech at the beginning, he tells the citizens "[he's] nothing without them", because his life literally means nothing without the people he keeps saving every day. Megamind's last attempt at killing him was the perfect excuse to finally let go of the mantle of hero.
Then Titan rolls out, and the citizens are all happy about "Metroman's successor". Titan instantly proves to be a threatening villain, incredibly selfish, proud and mad with power, and unlike Megamind, who only seek to destroy others just because he can.
Wreck-It-Ralph is about recognizing the work of honest people, and respecting them for it, despite the stigma associated.
Megamind is about not letting others dictate who you are, especially if it's something you're not.
Despicable me it's a childhood icon for me and I love how Megamind is ahead of it's time with a "nice guy" villain that shows how 'nice' is different than 'good'. But Wrecked Ralph it's different, because in his case, he can't be good without causing harm to other people, so people kinda decided it is the best for him to suffer alone. So, in the end, is good to see him finally fighting for some respect and teaching society a valuable lesson.
@sarahuchoa4018 I loved Wreck it Ralph the best but all are pretty solid from all 3 different animated studios
In MegaMind, I find it really neat that the prisoners tap into a paternal instinct to help raise him.
Could it be possible that while MegaMind may have grown to become a Villain, those prisoners who were his adoptive fathers may have cultivated a sense of service to others, which might have helped rehabilitate them?
That would be so cool, to think that MM's impact on others would be providing them the opportunity to do the right thing.
Even prisoners have standards. Guess who being treated worst in prison? Child abuser/molester/rapist.
That would had been very interesting.
I did not think of that but the prisoners probably did have a sense of service. They wanted to help a child who was left to them. He looked healthy and clean. So they probably fed him and taught him hygiene. They probably taught him creativity and probably taught him to care about others. I like how he became an accidental hero when the person he wanted to train to be a hero to fight against turned evil It's been so long since I've seen this movie. I wish we could go back to movies like this where bad guys change their minds instead of today's movies where they are explained or justified.
I have to wonder whether some of the prisoners had felt abandoned by society, prompting them to want to care for this lonely blue boy. I also find it interesting that, while he was raised in a prison, Megamind at least seems to have had people who cared about him while Metroman, although living "a dream life of luxury," had a distant father figure and a flaky mother figure. Is that why Megamind seems to have actually cared about the city while Metroman seems to have mostly cared about the attention?
I was confused why he referred to Megamind as “our little M&M” until I read this comment.
It's actually been theorized that gru actually cloned some already existing minions to create more minions. so it's not necessarily a continuity snarl.
*cough cough* theorized.. so its not actually the truth you doofus
That's kinda what I thought or it was a cover up so he wouldn't have to explain where they came from
There’s no continuity issue regardless. The way the “new canon” portrays it, the minions do all come from a single-celled organism that cloned itself a bunch.
I mean despicable me is my favorite movies, gru remind me to my dad
that's what I thought, he just found the minions as a kid and started mass cloning them to make more
TLDR: Megamind has best redemption arch, Gru's redemption is seriously muddy, and Ralph's.... is non-existent given it's not really a redemption story of bad turned good.
But I would LOVE to hear you do a breakdown on Wreck-it Ralph. That'd be so cool. It deserves to be expanded
Fun fact: I wrote a sociology paper on Megamind and got a 96. The professor didn't know about the movie but said it sounded pretty good and he'll "add it to the list"
I think the reason that megamind definitely takes the top is because of the 3 its the only one without a pointless sequel that completely undermines the message that the original had.
sometimes, stories really are best without sequels ;)
@@NinjaFlibble Yeah. Star Wars, Toy Story, and Shrek are all examples of franchises that benefited from sequels that surpassed them. Ralph and Despicable Me are franchises whose sequels destroyed them.
@@darknessdescending6695
I never saw Ralph. But, if I do, I'll remember to only watch the first one 😆
@@NinjaFlibble 👍
Despicable 2 was actually pretty good. They had limited character development and Lucy was a good addition to the franchise. I just wish dr. Nefario and Lucy had had more interaction than they did.
3 was sh/tty and wreck it 2 was 💩 as well tho
Never knew that you found "Wreck it Ralph" as one of the Best movies you've ever seen Finn. And I really appreciated your interpretations of its message :)
Ralph was not ever a “bad guy”. The “bad guy” characters in the video games seemed to be the ones that understood reality. That was that he was playing a role in the game. The other non bad guy characters like Felix and the Mayor didn’t grasp that basic concept. The non bad guy characters knew they were in a game but didn’t grasp the concept that they were basically actors performing a role. Felix was actually the 1st to realize this. The other games seemed to be similar in nature. Except for Hero’s Duty. The bad guys in that game were not self aware in the slightest. They react to beacon an attack everything and are reset for the next game. The good guys were self aware but their reality was the tragic back story of the main character.
I like his and Felix friendship in the second movie.
@@ShainaCilimberg Just wish they hadn't dumbed down Ralph in that one
Well Hero's Duty did seem to be a starcraft Ghostsish game and the bad guys were basically the Zerg so whatever leader/Queen they had is probably the only one in the hivemind that would be aware
@@sarmeister1699 and made Vanillope an unlikeable witch... sorry she just came off as such a spoiled brat there
@@Ladywizard Bratty lil Turbo tbh
There is actually an entire theory that megamind’s backstory was set up by the government to put him up against metro man. The theory goes that the reason why he was kept in jail, happened to go to the exact same school in the middle of nowhere as metro man despite metro man having money for private school since his parents are rich, and just in general how the teacher and students act towards megamind and metroman is because the government feared metro man and so they decided to pit them against each other so they didn’t attack the government. There is also small details like the writing on the schoolbus and stuff, but that’s all kinda extra
Well it was the "School for gifted youngsters" if you look at the front of the schoolhouse "lil gifted school for lil gifted kids" so it was obviously not a public school
@@Ladywizardthat's what I was thinking too lol. The guy that commented in top of you really thought he did something
The Minions in the origin Story are a bit less than in Despicable Me. I think he cloned the rest.
“IT REPRODUCED!”
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They are all boys
Look at film theory
@@level7dragonite why?
Oh God these films are ten years old and I watched them on cinema when they came out...I feel so freaking old
You had me at "The bad guy: it's a style, its a way of life, its a Billie Eilish song that sounds like a depressed merry-go-round'', and I subsequently agreed with everything you said. Also, I, too. fondly recall the early 2010's and love these three movies to death. Subscribed!
Megamind is probably my favorite animated movie of all time. And I agree with your conclusion that Megamind was the best. Mostly because Ralph wasn't a bad guy, just programmed to be.
Ralph is kinda like that heel wrestler that gets treated like shit in the locker room cause he's such a good heel that they forget he's putting on an act and he's just doing this job.
I was about to click away when it seemed like you were going to bash Megamind. XD
Also, the thing with Wreck-it Ralph is, Ralph was not really a villain. It was more a role he played for his game, but all the other characters still treated him like he was. Imagine if it were movie characters not game characters and the actor who plays the villain is treated like dirt by all the other actors, simply because of the role they played.
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Yeah I was actually sweating when it got to Megamind
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
That would be awful. Melissa Gilbert and Alison Ingram were actually best friends in real life (Little House on Prairie)
I watched Megamind for the first time at age 27.... And I was blown away by the attention to detail, brilliant character arcs and character writing, and a number of excellent pieces of social commentary (which they don't smash you over the head with).
I love the juxtaposition of the unwilling villain and the unwilling hero. You cant help but feel empathy for Megamind.... And, despite him being a bit of a douche...., you cant help but find Metroman charming and funny.
I love that the movie shows that villains can have a heart, as well as a genuine reason for being villainous. I love that Megamind has to actually work hard to undergo his redemption arc: it doesnt simply happen because the writers needed it to happen... it felt organic and believable.
I love that Metroman is not simply happy being the deified hero... He is still a person with hopes, dreams and desires of his own, regardless of the fact that the general public view him in a very basic manner.... To them, he is simply a hero, and always will be.
Hell, I even enjoy the character study of the lazy, narcissistic, entitled Hal, and how he changes when unfathomable power is simply thrust upon him, despite his lack of suitability to be placed in such a position.
All in all, great movie.....
But, 'Rango' is still my favourite animated movie =P
One interesting thing I noticed with Megamind is that MetroMan was force to become the hero just like Megamind was force to become the villain. MetroMan chose to change his own life to the one he wanted, so it proved it was possible for Megamind to do the same.
I mean for Gru becoming a villain, his farther was the best villain in the world for a time and his first name is 'Felonious" as in Felony, so I think his Mother kind of pushed him into becoming a villain
In my personal interpretation I don't think Ralph was ever a true villain. He's only a villain in the context in which he was created, and the citizens of his machine took him as such. Throughout all the time he spent in his machine he was only doing his job, and only wanted to be respected by his peers as a gear in the machine that made them a popular arcade game. He quests to find something worth being respected for, and yes, he falls to his temptations, but he never did those things with the intention of hurting. So while I find your reasons and analysis sound, I would make the argument that Ralph is not a villain at all, unlike Megamind and Gru, who do have evil intentions at the beginning but become better people at the end.
Don't forget the fact that despite Ralph was about to have everything he wanted, he was willing to die for everyone else and accept his role as the "bad guy" Just so nobody ever gets treated like him again
In my opinion: megamind is the best redemtion arc overall.
Reasoning:
Ralph was never a truely bad guy, he was just forced / perceived to be the bad guy by society. His redemption was really just the society realizing he was better then their notions.
Gru was kinda in a grey area and Hsi arc is quite good. With his eventually turn to good begining from adopting a family (from criminal intent) is genuis. But i find megamid better because....
Megamind was a true villain and it's reflected by his eventual turn to good steming near exclusively from his evil and lonelyness. He finally realizes what he's doing does to others (through titan) and how others feel about him (through the girl, whose name I don't remember). Megamind quite literally only changed because he finally realized why being bad was bad and how to be better.
Despicable Me wasn't even a redemption story, the evil part was pretty much just gags
He just learned to love others and that was the whole arc, he stepping away from his evil plans and learning that there's value in the company of others
He was still a villain even after the first movie ended and never really left that role anyway
@@rompevuevitos222 that is a good point I didn't really think of, I guess I kind of overlooked the gag part because it was more of a children's type story so such is kind of to be expected. However looking at it from a more critical lens your point becomes highly apparent
I disagree with the part you said at the end of the megamind bit. It's not about treating people equally it's about not treating people like trash. Some people do need to be treated differently cause if you don't nobody would get close to eachother. Ideally a kid like megamind would greatly beilnifit from being given all the tools he would need to be creative in a space with enough structure to keep everyone safe.
Its about treating someone that did nothing wrong or not intentionally equally and help him
It's more about not judging someone before you know them, which is why metroman is also shown to be forced into a role they don't fit and are not happy in, based on societies expectations of them.
What you said ignores Metroman's enrire soul searching journey.
I will say, Megamind also doesn't make Metro-man a "Secretly the bad guy"
It's really awesome that they just made him tired of having to be the one who answers all the calls.
Like you said, "Don't put people on pedestals, or shove them in the corner"
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Real quick, about the minion's movie, you see only 200+ minions in it, while in the future Gru has 10,000+. This means that he actually cloned the OG minions, and thus both are cannon.
Wreck it Ralph is an amazing movie and deserves way more praise. The line “I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.” hurts so much, typing it out has made me tear up. That scene alone makes me so emotional and I love it.
He is a perfect example of being made the villain by others around him rather for being himself without ever really wanting to be a villain himself. Society pushed him into that roll and he tries his best to break out of it but even outside of his job is the villain, the loser. The when he decides to do something different with his life, society around him crumbles and they realize they needed him more than he needs them. I love this movie.
All of them are amazing though and this "Bad Guy" trope is one of my favourites.ociety pushed him into that roll and
3:25 That Despicable Me song was FREAKIN HILARIOUS. XD I've also eaten those Tic-Tacs.
I'd love to hear you talk about Wreck-It-Ralph in the future. ❤
Bald guy, Big nose, was a villain, Met some gurlz, So CuTe, now I'm good, Also tic tacs
Megamind is my personal favourite of the bad guy redemption since all his life he was the bad guy and well his coming to terms with who he is when he goes back to prison willingly when all hope seemed lose and reflected was definitely the films strongest scene
If you think about it, this is also Shrek's arc. Mistreated and driven to solitude, has to deal with people occasionally coming into his swamp to harass him anyway and embraces his natural scary image, learns to open up once he meets two beings willing to look past that and see him as an individual instead of just "an ogre".
megamind has a very special and emotional place in my heart and always will tbh, in most of my life (primarily early life up til part of the way through high school, but still to an extent now finishing my first year of college) i've been kinda just pushed around by whatever people, mostly my parents, wanted or expected me to do. and i thought that was just how things were, and how they'd always be. mom and dad know best, i just have to do what I'm told and everything will be as it should be. that was the way i was raised. i had choices- or at least the illusion of choices- but doing anything besides what they wanted was always pretty overtly discouraged. i saw megamind when it first came out when i was still a kid, but the message didn't really hit until i rewatched it sometime around sophomore year. as funny as it is to think about, goddamn megamind was what taught me to choose and make my own destiny as opposed to just doing what's expected of me.
Megamind is my favorite DreamWorks movie
Technically Diego from Ice Age by BlueSky could be here, 8 years before Megamind and Gru, right?
Yes.
Knuckles and Shadow can also technically make the list.
Might be older but these three movies came around the same time so it is more fair
Go Diego Go!
Kind of, but I assume he’s not part of the group there since Gru, Megamind, and Ralph are the primary main character of their movie.
For Ice Age, the main character is Manny rather than Diego, but I’m pretty sure we’ll want him to have his movie rather than the two possums in that stupid Disney+ Ice Age movie
Definitely agree, though I do wonder if Shrek and Nick Wilde(Zootopia) would also qualify as having the "bad guy" redemption and if so where they would rank? Both weren't really "bad guys" just victims of prejudice. Kind of labeled as such in their worlds/stories, but hard to argue they were really presented as having been antagonists at any point. Just a curiosity and I could be putting in too much thought to it.
The Bad Guys is arguably the best thing in cinema in the last 20 years, and arguably the best heist film ever. It’s Oceans 11 meets Kingsman: The Secret Service, set to an epic Bond-worthy soundtrack full of (mostly) big band jazz and a little funk, all packaged in a non-political wrapping of the most stunning liquid comic book eye candy you could possibly ask for.
It doesn't try to take itself seriously, and it leverages the ability of animation to do what you can't do in the real world. There's no attempt to look realistic in the character designs or art style, and that is absolutely fantastic. Great pacing, glorious sound, and a perfect way to spend some quality time with the whole family.
I feel we should also add Beauty & The Beast to this discussion
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Huh, you know I never really considered Wreck it Ralph to be a Villain redemption story like Megamind and Despicable Me, guess after so many years of watching it that part was kinda blocked off my memory. Anyway, this was a great video man. I like that you treated all movies (for the most part) equally and you acknowledge their individual strengths. Good job man.
I enjoyed you analysis! I'm mostly interested in the visuals of animated movies, and it's refreshing to hear someone's take on the characters and stories in animated films.
You know I would love an extended Wreck it Ralph review on all the details of characters and world building.
One little tid bit I loved was how Sonic the Hedgehog, celebrity he is was effectively doing saftey PSA's warning them to not die in their games.
i'm with you on the winner being
megamind. i love all 3 films but in terms of bad guy redemptions i'd rank it
Wreck it ralph
despicable me
then mega mind
while i think wreck it ralph is a great film in this category i'd put it last only because it was hardly a bad guy redemption. ralph was never actually a bad guy. he was just doing his job that people relied on him for. but everyone treated him like a pariah so he went out to show he is a good guy.
when did what ralph did actually hurt people before the film?
then despicable me was a good film showing a man who slowly redeemed himself thorugh the love of 3 little girls! he even tried postponing his big plan because he realized it would interfere with the girl's big recital!
then we get megamind. an awsome film that deserves every bit of raise it gets these days. megamind was literally shoved into his role. he's just having fun the only way he knows how! because like you said that was all he was ever allowed. then he got everything he worked for and realized he didn't actually want any of it. he was just told his whole life that's what he should want but now that he has it....what now? so he tries to recreate the fun. the only thing he actually enjoyed.
meamind isn't a bad guy....he's a performer! all hsi fun came from putting on a show!
Ultimate respect to this comment for giving people the option to avoid spoilers.
I've only seen Megamind and Despicable Me, so I can't comment on Wreck it Ralph.
Of the two that I have seen, I have to go with Megamind. It just landed better in certain ways. Despicable Me had me laughing a lot though.
And, I think the ending of that movie gave me cavities.
I just saw this video and loved it!
Also regarding "The Bad Guys", I think it'll be one you will definitively enjoy. The music is absolutely phenomenal, the animation is different from DW, the action is humorous for all audiences, overall its pretty fun and relaxing to watch, and on top of that character development is very nice by giving you just the information you need in small enough packages to understand and yet not disappoint. You don't need to see them being mistreated when they were little or alienated over and over again like Dispicable Me does. They give give the basics and then live the present which in my opinion makes it an interesting different execution of the classic bad guy trope.
Watch it and decide for yourself :)
I did my own thing with this trope in a book I'm writing, which is that there is a person who was told her whole life, "you are a bad person and that's all you'll ever be" and was traumatized and stuff. And then she was just like, 'fine, you think I'm evil? I'm going to act the way you think I am, but I'm going to do the best I can to help people anyway.'
I like all three, Wreck-it Ralph being my favorite of the three. Despicable me was like if someone can give you an emotional push to the right path, Megamind that not because someone is different doesn't mean they don't deserve a chance to be accepted, as for Wreck-it Ralph, it left me two lessons, not anyone does what they do by choice, sometimes there's no option, and by the nicelanders, treat everyone as you want to be treated or it may come back to bite you, that's what happened when Ralph left, first they treated him bad and then when he's not there they are screwed.
The way they made Gru's transition from good to bad guy work so well is by giving a montage. That's literally what happened in the movie.
With the Megamind part, him getting shoved into the villian role, in my opinion, kinda shows off how much racism can affect society. Definitely wrong there, but that definitely has to do with racism.
Also, if you are in a situation that you feel is unfair, THAT'S NO GOOD!
I can't really disagree with your decision on who's the best, he's a really good choice!
You really got me with sighing before Megamind and Ralph... Both times I felt so hurt thinking it was gonna be a slog to get through that you didn't like the films. Man I got owned.
I'd say that the "getting up and doing something" part of Wreck It Ralph also applies to Megamind, due to Megamind himself being the one to create Tighten, initially turning himself in to the cops, and then later pleading with them to let him handle Tighten
Oh, and this also carries a "try to fix your own mistakes" thing which is nice
Tighten also carries the same "don't overdo it" thing as King Candy, due to Tighten being initially given the hero role, but just doing whatever he wanted to the point of harming people instead
EDIT: Yes yes, Megamind's notes on him call him "Titan", but when he carves his name into the city via laser eyes, he spells it as "Tightenville", implying that he completely rejected the role given to him by Megamind all the way to changing his name
and also showing hal is kind of an idiot
I'm pretty sure Hal spelling his name "Tighten" was just supposed to indicate once again how dumb he was.
You are a bad guy.
But it does not mean that you are a bad *guy*
As someone who just watched "The Bad Guys", I can say that DreamWorks did a pretty good job once again.
Edit: How the heck do I have over 50 likes?
I need to see it looks promising and I love dreamworks
And the fact that they always give depths to villains in thier movies (the good ones ofc)
One thing I love about all three of these movies is that they don't do the "Heroes are really villains" trope. Not really. The first Despicable Me doesn't really have a "hero". The sequel does- and Gru ends up marrying her, so there. The real villains of all three films are essentially just other villains that Gru has a rivally with.
Metroman is much more complicated. He was raised by a rich family that raised him to be a hero. And he just grew to see the gig as a means to an end and secretly wants to be a musician. And when he fakes his death to perdue that dream, he sees it as a police officer quitting his job. He believes that if he's not around to save the day, someone else will. He encourages Megamind to be that person, and when he does, he's happy for him.
As for Felix, the thing I like about him is that he's genuinely nice. He's not putting on an act. He's not secretly a jerk behind the scenes. Ralph doesn't even have any real beef with him. He just was programed with a natural charm and charisma. It's especially cool when you remember he's based on Mario, a character that is often headcanoned as a masagonistic, brother hating, animal abusing a hole. In fact, the only reason he let's Ralph be bullied is because he's too naive and innocent to realize how miserable the poor guy is. And when he does, he genuinely wants to help Ralph be treated better and treat him as an equal.
The Bad Guys has become my favorite of the “bad person turns good” troupe. It’s really awesome and unique.
I love this. Love Despicable Me franchise because it was wholesome, good humor, and nice message at the end. Megamind may not been my favorite, but I never hated it; showed a well-turned villain to all round hero, showing destiny is our choice. And Wreck It Ralph was very down to earth showing not everyone plays as the game programs. Wouldn't mind if you talked about Wreck It Ralph 2. And I can't WAIT to see Dreamworks The Bad Guys later on.
Also, to answer your question at 9:56, I was disappointed in the newly made live action Cruella. Speaking of which, what are your thoughts about the live action Cruella and Maleficent? Because they follow this kind of trope too and even got a full story since childhood on how they became "bad."
To me, Ralph is disqualified because of "Ralph Breaks the Internet". So that means, Gru gets second place... however, with "The Bad Guys" now on the big screen, and the titular characters have become world-famous, will they have a chance to swipe Megamind's Crown?
You know what would be fun? If the wolf goes through a self discovery journey, trying to experience being on the good side, only to realize at the end he loves being a bad guy.
Just do what I do when it comes to the sequel
Pretend it doesn't exist: they oofed HARD with almost every single aspect on that movie due to wanting to focus on 'Gurl Power!' WAY too much
@@QuickSilverKitsune I only saw the movie once, so I may not remember all of it well, but why does everyone say it ruined Ralph? From my recollection, Penelope is the one actually causing most of the problems and being terrible.
@@GodwynDi because the way he acts is to childish and kinda "dumb"?. It feels completely out of character when you compare him with the Ralph of the first movie.
@@0104-Vkta Even then, Ralph's "redemption" doesn't feel like a redemption, but rather it's more like a blame game. Gene should've been punished for moving Ralph's stump in the first place; but he gets off scott-free, because he's a "nicelander"; makes me sick to my stomach having to say that. And even when the Arcade Machine is labeled "out of order", Gene still blames Ralph for everything, and not on himself for provoking Ralph, thereby having Ralph leave his post before daytime! Heck, I'd argue that Jack Ferring's comment has a better understanding of the first movie.
An awesome detail I noticed in Megamind is that when he visits the museum to mourn Metro Man, he brings yellow roses which represents friendship. He considered Metro Man to be a friend
not to be dramatic but this video made me love you
i mean gosh, the note about the unfair treatment steven universe got and how it couldve been so good if given the chance made me so damn happy cause everyone ignores that and just unfairly says it was awful without taking in the conditions
but then all the love for megamind and then you saying how wreck it ralph is one of your favorite movies. yessss. theyre both some of my favorite movies :]!! wreck it ralph was arguably my favorite movie for a long time until encanto came along honestly
and just the analysis in general!
I feel like Wreck-It Ralph does the "loving yourself despite how society may see you" story better than Shrek did.
Was Ralph every really a Bad Guy.
In the eyes of The Nicelanders yes
This was really well written! I'll agree that the first Despicable Me movie was okay and I liked it, but everything else that came after it can eat dirt. I thought Gru's relationship with the girls was great and how he transformed over the movie over his feelings of family and fatherly instincts. Megamind is by far my favorite, though I seriously love Wreck-it Ralph, too!
Ralph wasn't a bad guy. He was an actor in a world where people took their roles so seriously they BELIEVED they were their roles. Ralph believed he was his role. So, it's more a story of someone who is looked down upon than who is an actual villain. A villain would retaliate in some way. Ralph never did, he just went out of his way to make himself better by meeting the requirements of "good". He messed stuff up along the way, but none of it was intentional. So, it's not as much a story of villain redemption as it is acceptance.
Megamind, however, does deserve a place amongst the best-redeemed villains. Megamind is one of three of the best villain redemptions I had ever seen. I'm not a movie freak, so I haven't watched a lot of movies or shows, so forgive me. But he went from evil to good in such an organic and meaningful way. He _earned_ his place as a good guy. He didn't earn being a bad guy, he just conformed to the mold people had been shoving him into for so long. But he DID earn his status as the most flamboyant supervillain and then his status as an amazing good guy by the end.
-Note: I didn't include Gru's transformation in the above favoritism. I loved it, but it's like comparing ice cream to cherry pie. Ice cream is good, but it's not in the same park as cherry pie.
9:45 had us in the first half ngl. This is one of my favourite movies.
Aside from the fact that Ralph never became bad due to harrassment, what others pushed onto him, and just wanting respect, the role he's programmed into is more of an 'antagonist' than 'bad guy.' Similar to the character he's based on(Donkey Kong), Ralph is shown as angry and scowling rather than malicious with an evil smile, and their stories have both of them as victims(animal violence for DK, and an abusive policy for Ralph). In the handheld game "DK Circus", its shows that DK used to be in the circus where he had to juggle pineapples and avoid fire, with Mario being his handler and laughing every time DK messed up(wanted to note that DK and Mario's sprites in that game look similar to Ralph and Gene). After the events of the DK arcade game, DK gets put in a cage, and his son has to avoid a bunch of hazards in order to save him. With Ralph, the first verse his theme song tells you that the people doing construction(Gene and some people that he hired) knew that it his land, talked to him before, and knew he was in that stump, lied about what they were doing with his land, and probably said they would talk about it('Foundation of Economic Education' did a video on Ralph where they discuss eminent domain). After you win, Ralph has a guilty expression on his facewhile Gene, unlike the other nicelanders, has a smirk before getting mad with the other nicelanders and throwing Ralph off the building. I wouldn't be surprised if TobiKomi(the fictional company that made the Fix-It Felix arcade game) made Ralph a protagonist in future games, similar to what Nintendo did to DK.
My rankings of the 3 in relation to the title are gold) Megamind, silver) Gru, bronze) Ralph, but it is for completely different reasons. If we are taking the word "redemption" into consideration, then that means there needs to be something to redeem. Megamind had a chance to be a villain, not only with the showmanship with metroman, but with the "defeat" of his rival. Sure, he never put anyone in danger, but he actually had a chance to do whatever he wanted without consequence and TOOK it. In second comes gru, who despite living a relatively normal life, still acted exclusively with his own interests in mind until he was forced to care about someone else. A freeze ray may not be lethal by cartoon logic, be he is still forcing his will upon a world that rejects it. That leaves ralph in last, who's extent of villainy is just the label given to him. Ralph didnt put his own goals above others at the expense of their happiness, or at least not willingly. No, instead he acted only out of necessity. The status quo he was forced into was actively harmful, so it is only right for him to defend himself. The consequences of ralph leaving the game are not his fault, but the fault of the elitist who refused to hear him out, instead treating his JOB as his identity, which is never a healthy mindset. Would ralph have left the game in the first place if he wasnt told he needed a medal to be accepted? no. That means ralph leaving is a consequence of the request, making the requester the one who needs to take the blame for the consequences. Ralph only did as he was instructed, yet is supposed to take responsibility for his "boss's" mistake? Yes, there are actions that ralph himself needs to take responsibilty for, such as unintentionally smuggling the bug that lead to the near apocalypse and trusting king candy's schemes by breaking the car he built with his friends, but he is not responsible for the game being shut down, no matter how much the people of the game's building want to blame him. The movie knows as much, and that is why felix, who was complicit in the bullying, takes an active role to bring ralph back. At that point, ralph does not need the medal, but he does not know that. Heck, i can take it one step farther. In the narrative of the game that ralph works in, he looses his home to the construction of the building with NO WARNING! He rightfully gets mad and is supposed to destroy the building in retaliation, and is only a villain (job) for letting his emotions get the better of him. To sum it up, ralph was NEVER a villain, instead, his job was to keep the game functioning by staying part of the status quo.
"I endure this movie."
"You keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means."
Ralph= programmed bad
Megamind= raised bad
Despicable= traumatized to be bad
They are all true heroes; overcoming on many levels (sometimes literally).
This is mine
3: despicable me, while it is a great movie to me the others are much better.
2: Reck it Ralph, I loved this movie and it is amazing but there is another
1: Megamind, same here I think this is the best but because of the rivalry between them and then at the end of the movie megamind became metroman and then he becomes the hero instead of playing as the hero
The best bad guy redemption is got to be Darth Vader from Star Wars. You get to feel Anakins turn to the dark side with him not wanting people that he is close to him and trying to save his loved one. When Anakin turns to Darth Vader, Obi Wan believed that nothing could turn him into the light, since he was filled with so much hatred and revenge, and when Luke sees the light in him, he tries to bring him back, and when Luke is being tortured by Emperor Palpatine, Darth Vader wanted to save his son because he didn’t want him to die and ultimately sacrifices himself and is redeemed into the light side.
Snape from Harry Potter where?
@@theworldofdio He was never good.
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Hey…….man I’m going through a real shitty time and that all of sudden “if you’re being treating badly for no reason” speech really just hit me. Thanks I think?
If you notice in Minions Gru and his mom are standing the background at Villain-Con. He was quite literally raised a bad guy
Your moral analysis at 19:53 really spoke to me. I'm struggling to accept my identity as trans when my parents are so against it, and after finding out they're doing everything they can to stop it. This was something I genuinely really needed to hear, and I'm so glad i stumbled across this actually pretty cool video and got something out of it, thank you so much
How do they stop someone from being trans, just curious
Dude you earned a sub for that fakeout on megamind. I was about to throw hands
Also I also love wreck it Ralph, but for a villain redemption I don't think it fits. He wasn't a villain in any way other than in his job. He was just a nice guy in a shitty job
Your editing and delivery is top notch
One thing I loved with MeGAmind with meTROcity is his characteristics: how he is so expressive and charming while being villainous, how he actually just loved the challenge, how he stays his character while shapeshifting and how his tone isn’t even set on the right notes, the details for MeGAmind and how this movie actually *explains* the villainous arc is really top-notch, MeGAmind is one of those movies I forget but after a while I would come back to it, the plot is that chaotic (so it’s forgettable) but so rewatchable, also because of the transparant irony and humor it has, so masTERfull!
Real talk... I am *SO* looking forward to when you do full reviews of each movie! I adore all three of these movies, and would love a deep dive!
I feel these are well covered and while I would watch more Indepth videos these are good.
I would maybe dive back in to these when you have a completed story over multiple movies
I would also love to see your top 3 bad guy redemptions for Animated TV, live action TV, Live action films and video games
love the RvB sound bite you out in the video. Takes me back lol
8:38 fun fact: the carnival guy is actually voiced by the same person as fix-it felix
It just makes me mad that metroman can save everyone, even himself from his own existential crisis going through self help books and changing his lifestyle but he didn't even think bout saving megamind, leaving him to change himself. Especally when he was a big catalyst in megaminds origin as a villain.
I think it's good. Because Metro Man believed in Megamind's ability to succeed.
Things sucked when they were kids, but he was a kid being pushed to be a certain way, too, and when he's an adult he finally reflects on that. He knows Megamind won't actually hurt people... so he retires. And when a threat comes up, he believes that Megamind will win even when Megamind himself doesn't think he will.
I think he had absolute confidence in Megamind.
This guy sounds like the fish in Megamind. And yes that’s a compliment
I'm only 4 minutes in, and holy shit how did I never check you out anytime you guest starred on other pony reviewers. your editing style is so memey, hilarious, high quality, and well edited, all while still being informative and getting your points and arguments across properly. I need to check more of you out!
"Gru had Doctor Mario and his little simpson tumors."
I laughed to hard my lungs actually hurt.
Fun fact, out of all three movies, Despicable Me is the only movie that doesn't have the protagonist's name in the title.
I love Wreck It Ralph too, the films became some of my favourite animated films of all time ^^ I'm on the team #WreckItRalphRedemption squad ^^ If you want someone to gush about the Wreck It Ralph films with you I'm up for that ^^ Great video as always Finny ^^
Over the Hedge is a 2006 American computer-animated comedy film produced by DreamWorks Animation and based on the comic strip of the same name by Michael Fry and T. Lewis. Directed by Tim Johnson and Karey Kirkpatrick (the latter in his feature directorial debut) from a screenplay by Len Blum, Lorne Cameron, David Hoselton, and Kirkpatrick, the features the voices of Bruce Willis, Garry Shandling, Steve Carell, William Shatner, Wanda Sykes, Avril Lavigne and Nick Nolte. The film's plot follows a raccoon named RJ who must reclaim food for a bear, ultimately manipulating a group of animals that had recently awakened from hibernation in order to speed up the process.
That song in the match up section, with the names of the companies, took a sec to recognize it. Gotta love Agent Tex's theme from S9