The CORE SUCKING Harvester Species Explained | Independence Day
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2023
- in 1996, Humanity would come into contact with a species that was not here in peace, but hellbent on the destruction of the planet and any species that had currently been inhabiting that planet. Using a planets entire core to refuel ships, humanity would be forced to work together an effort to stave off extinction by this invasive species. It became clear as we interacted with them that not only was their technology better than ours, but their very bodies seemed more durable. But why is this? Lets discuss that in todays episode!
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SIR YES SIR
I mean..... It is probably set in LA Because breaking a fault line is the easiest way to open a planet.
Worth the wait bro
Hope u get better your videos are my favorite part of the week
Nice , always a good listen while working .
Fun fact. In the novel of ID4 it supposedly has a POV from the Harvesters when they were hit by the failed nuke strike. Apparently the shield had absorbed the hit but was heavily damaged to the point they were rightfully freaking out as they were worried that another nuke would have broken through the remaining shield and destroyed or heavily damaged the ship. Meaning had the president did the second strike, they likely could have brought it down, and that humanity did have a way of bringing them down. At least by brute force.
The novel in many ways is better. More fleshed out characters and the aircraft from Area 51 are the prototypes and relics. Museum pieces in most cases. They are only intended to be the distraction, the cannon fodder, to give the modern aircraft a chance. That just made it feel more desperate. These pilots are going up knowing they are going to be slaughtered but it's to buy time for their comrades.
I read that as a kid and don't recall that being in it.
Then again- that was...27 years ago that I had read it.
Considering I read the novel and it has a scene from the harvesters pov, but not as you describe it. It takes place for the 3 aliens that crash at Roswell in 1947. One pilot died in the crash, another tried to crawl away but was attacked and mauled to death by coyotes, and the last one survived for a few days after being captured but starved itself to death.
Anyway thought, I'd recommend you buy the novelization but it only comes in the book omnibus. A 857 page paperback that contains 3 novels.
@@wrath908 Is the omnibus worth getting?
Wait a minute theres a book and not only one but 4
Roanoke please cover the Tyranids from 40k, and how their biology works with gene stealers or even just their adaptability. It's in this same vein and they're the upcoming villans of the next space marine game
I can take a look!
@@RoanokeGaminggood luck going through the rabbit hole
Just Tyranids? Roanoke could litterally do a year's string of videos on most of the things in 40K.
@@RoanokeGamingdude youre expecting a wiki page but youre getting into a bible for the surface level info. Theyre fucking awesome but anything warhammer related just has so much fucking lore. Youve been warned.
hijacking this comment for another suggestion (if it hasnt already been done) id LOVE to see some videos about the fallout franchise + the creatures, especially feral ghouls 👀
25:07
“This things hate us and they’re not immune to bullets which is hilarious, get wrecked” had me dying 😂
Regarding the 'whistleblower' around the 12:00 mark, "non-human organic bodies" can refer to almost anything, from cotton pads to leather chair backing. It's a carefully constructed sentence meant make you draw the conclusion of aliens without lying under oath by actually saying aliens.
Right on man!! Great info. 👍✌️
Or any number of non-human terran species including dogs and apes.
We found a non-human organic Body underneath the Wreck........... It's a Isopod.
It's a pretty cool one. See? It's orange😂
Could also be a crash test dummy.
@@Sylvershade a organic Crash Test Dummy? So a Corpse?🤔
fun fact, the "what the hell is that smell?" line Hillar gave while dragging the alien was apparently not planned and he was merely smelling a slight fish aroma because he was walking across a dried lake bed.
It was the smell of rotting brine shrimp or smth like that in the cracks or whatever
@@monkeyblooder0846 was still funny you gotta admit.
Here in Salt Lake City Utah we call it the lake effect were the scene was filmed.
Seems like one of those fake stories that sound like they could be true, so people believe it.
I guarantee it was in the script.
@@maccurtis730 I'm from Utah and never heard this, 🌟 the more you know 🌟
As an Army veteran, every military joke / reference Roanoke made us 100% spot on. Lost it at the black mold in the barracks bit. Way to go Fort Campbell. Love the content man
Can confirm all jokes and black mold at fort Bragg.
Same with Hood and Wainwright.
navy brat, but i can confirm base housing has the same issues for the families
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29 Palms here and can confirm
One thing I always loved about Independence Day is, as Roanoke says, not only is the President young, he's also a war hero. He personally leads the attack on one of the aliens' ships. Literally. He's right out in front. Totally unthinkable nowadays.
Come on, Sleepy Joe could do that!
@@DadvestorTrumpy would as well
Joe would want too, but the military wouldn't let him. Trump has bone spurs.
@MorkandGork I'm not sure about that. It's a nice sentiment. I'm sure he'd say he would lol. Either way he's the better of 2 evils.
@@1LLog1K have you gone mental?
I've always handwoven the moon dust vibrations and the weirdness of gravity when the grandmother ship lands as evidence that the aliens are using gravity based propulsion. You'd definitely have to use something like that to move such a massive ship.
Meh... Acceleration is acceleration regardless of source of propulsion. Gravity or anti-gravity may be the most efficient after a certain mass, but this won't help with the "torque" - the most immediately impactful source of propulsion would probably still be particle acceleration (nuclear or kugelBlitz even), but you would still need at least the same energy to accelerate a ship.
I would agree, though, that they are no doubt using gravity propulsion as there was no turn and burn when the mothership arrived - a ship needs the same amount of acceleration in the opposite of direction of travel as a braking force. But a gravity generator could just switch to generating anti-gravity when it wants to stop.
@jeffreypmurphy2352 gravity engines make so much more sense for a vessel of that size. You could use traditional particle engines but the fuel required for something like that would be insane. There's also the small ship they originally had in the first flick, it just sat and hovered for 50 years. That would also leave me to believe that they use some kind of gravity manipulation for their main drives.
@@jeffreypmurphy2352
What would "torque" have to do with acceleration or deceleration?
Let's look at how a gravity drive spaceship might work. According to general relativity, gravity is a curvature of space-time. So the ship would have to be able to generate a field that would increase the space-time curvature around it. It would move forward by differentially increasing the amount of curvature in front of it. Increasing the curvature would increase the ship's acceleration with respect to uncurved space-time. This is analogous to the fact that things fail faster on Earth than they do on the Moon. Also since the curvature field, like the gravitational field, would act upon all atoms within it simultaneously, the occupants would feel no acceleration forces, again analogous to the effect of a gravity field.
I'm unsure whether a gravity drive spaceship might be an FTL ship. At first, I thought that lightspeed would be infinitely curved space-time that the ship would only be able to approach asymptotically. But considering the fact that, in the very early universe space-time apparently expanded at superluminal velocities, it might be that a gravity drive might also be an FTL drive.
@spaceman081447 what you just described is called an Alcubierre drive and yes, according to relativity could move faster than light, or its more accurate to say that space-time could move the ship inside the warp bubble faster than light. Weirdly enough this drive mimics star trek warp technology. The main problem is that it requires an insane amount of energy to use as well as negative mass and negative energy. Neither of which are known at this time to exist. Also, space-time does move faster than light, it's what causes red shift in light from distant stars.
Fun Fact: Will Smith yelling "What the hell is that smell" is a blooper that was included in the film. His reaction was to the bad smell emitted by the salt lake he was on.
Regarding the Nuke scene. I can't remember where I read it but apparently the nuke did do considerable damage to the shield and one more nuke would've brought the shield down and potentially damaged the ship itself. Also the Harvesters were surprised by the attack since they did not believe we possessed such weaponry during the invasion.
We should of kicked their ass harder then
We used two nukes on Japan, we should have used two on the aliens.
Where is this info from? That it's energy shield can block not only the explosive shockwave, the explosion itself, the thermal transfer, the EMP burst, the radiation, it reflects/deflects/negates the atomic fusion itself. Should be able to tank infinite so long as it's powered and they have it going while riding through galaxies so shouldn't be an issue
@@myaldeade shield generator is electric circuit and even if beefy as hell, all circuits HATES power pulses and degrades rapidly from them - that's why you have fuses in your house. Any shoot on the shield creates immediate rise in power consumption - impulse going through power cords. Enough of power hitting the shield will simply melt it's power lines, assuming your power source can even handle such rapid increase in consumption, which isn't typically the case and reason for em guns needing capacitors and not being able to run directly from batteries/generator - only capacitors are capable of releasing enough power that quickly. And yes, they DO have this power issue, that's why their main lasers needs to charge and cannot fire immediately. In regards of our rip-off of that laser not doing anything to harvester ship most logical explanation is shields being tuned for specific frequency of their own lasers to avoid friendly fire and also harvester having much beefier power grid to handle those pulses on such power level.
@@depressedTrent assuming they have electrical based energy at all, how do we know their ship isn't powered by a singularity? Capacitors may be the best thing we have to do that but nature itself has something far better at it with lightning. I agree about the frequency tuning
I wanted to see more of the ground war between humans and the surviving aliens between independence 1 &2. Give it a survival horror feel.
I was hoping for that in the 2nd movie
I think the 2nd movie they said we had a 5/10 year fight with them.
The next best thing is probably the TV series "Falling Skies". It's about the human resistance to an alien invasion. Has a lot of "Walking Dead" vibes.
@psychshift
Read ID4 War in the Desert.
Battle of LA style
I do like the pool scene though. Summed up, “Is it dead this time?” “Drop a grenade on top of it just to make sure” “YESSIR!”
That movie was more thriller horror than it had any right to be
An interesting fun fact: Major Mitchell (the guy who shoots the can off the alien ship) is played by Adam Baldwin. Baldwin is the voice actor of Tali’s strike team commander on Haestrom, Kal’Reegar.
He's also Jayne Cobb in Firefly.
"The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!"
Baldwin? Like, Billy and Alec Baldwin? I had no idea!
@@danelynch7171 Actually he's not related to them, just shares the same surname.
@@kingsteve8083 seriously? Hahaha this has been a roller coaster of emotions. He would have been a solid addition to the Baldwin clan. 😂
@@kingsteve8083 He's also conservative/libertarian!
"Welcome to Earth!"
Best first upclose encounter with aliens that isn't the Mass Effect kind.
You Sir are the ultimate "watching YT while eating dinner after an 8 hour shift every night" channel.
Always interesting, and always entertaining.
God Bless America.
That's for watching my man :)
8 hour shift? Aint nothing to a 12 my guy
@@TheFreezer700 And? Good for you? lol
@@ChillyCharizard006 im just being stupid and making jokes dont take me too seriously.
Seriously this could be a show on television or a streaming platform. How cool would it be for Roanoke to give interviews to the people that created these monsters can get their perception and input on what he brings up? I have them show him the influences no one‘s heard of and such. That be some kewl stuff
Fun fact: In the ID4 comic issue #0 it is confirmed that Russel was telling the truth. He was abducted and he was abducted by the same aliens that come to earth
I recently did read the graphic novel, and yes
Dr Oken was based on Jeffrey A. Okun, a visual fx guy that worked on Emmerich’s previous movie, Stargate. They made Spiner up to look almost like Okun’s twin with the long grey hair, Brent used some of Okun’s little personality quirks (like his goofy way of explaining things) in his portrayal of Dr Okun.
This kind of carried over to Godzilla when the main character was named after the FX guy on Independence Day, Patrick Tatopoulos
I remember reading “Silent Zone”, a prequel novel and in it the Harvesters are said to have come from a world that they over exploited and this is what motivated them to harvest other planets, it also mentions how their “suits” were actually another species from a jungle world that they took over and use them to better move around.
Are the books still considered canon? Cause it feels like a lore breaking idea that the queen happens to have a suit for her at such a size.
@@jaccobmarrero6021I mean it could have been incredibly modified to her size
@@Jasondurgen that's a good point. At the same time, I can't help but be curious as to how tf do you heavily modify something that's around 12 feet tall and bump it up 100x the original size.
Wow! That’s crazy! That would be like if we crawled into a live lion and made it our suit.
@@jaccobmarrero6021It's organic in nature, so technically with the right tech and nutrients you can "grow" it
I always figured, and this was a plot point in Transformers, that the alien tech is what gave us our computers. So, if our tech was built based on theirs, a virus might be more plausibly viable for use to infect them. Plus, he had direct hardware access to the alien systems to figure it out.
It is. In fact alot of the tech in universe came from the crashed scout ship. Plus since the aliens used the human satellites for coordination they already were compatible.
@@adventwolfbane right! the alien signal! I knew I had one more point to make but my ADD ass forgot lol Thanks for the assist!
I honestly would've preferred if the second film took place a full century after the first so that we could get full blown space battles between human and Harvester ships, and it would've been more believable for humanity to get to a prosperous state.
Would have been better if they never made a second movie lol.
@@cody1o3 True.
"Will Smith opens up the alien space ship to tell ET to keep Earth's name out it's mo-..." 😂😂😂
With the gravity thing, I feel like it could be because instead of using traditional engines, the harvesters use a gravitational propulsion system, since I could easily be far more efficient for a ship of that size to use gravity rather than something like, say, a chemical propellant or ion engines.
I was also thinking it may have use an artificial gravity field, but once landed it shut off to use Earth's gravity and save power or some such nonsense
I went back and watched both films, and alot of the points he made is explained (somewhat) the gravity isnt due to the ships size it does infact have a series of engines around the outside ring that pull everything in, you also see them turn off when everything drops
They obviously use gravitic drives in the first movie. We never see them use thrusters when the city-destroyers are hovering over cities.
Hope you gave the book a glance, as it paints a better picture of the "Harvester" hives, as well as telling the story of how the scientist that Brent Spiner portrays came to be apart of the project of studying the crashed ships and pilots.
Yeah, I remember reading the novelisation as a kid and I'd swear it mentioned two additional details about the aliens: The "suits" actually begin as independent living creatures who are then basically hollowed out and heavily altered to become a combined power armour and life support system, and the bulk plating and superstructure of all the alien tech is actually organic matter that's grown to shape in molds before being "cured" to a hardened non-living state.
Silent Zone
The tie-in novel ID4 Silent Zone actually has an explanation for the biomechanical suits: they were another species that the aliens previously conquered.
So, they jeepers creepers an entire species??? The fuck???
@@RazielTheUnborn Basically, yeah.
Biomechanics have always been really interesting to me. If you ever get the chance to check out Guyver The Bioboosted Armour I'd love to hear your take on how'd it work
Biomorph!
Sometimes I think of scenarios where the very idea of war among space fairing species is completely foreign. Like the reason they've gotten to the stars much faster is due to them focusing 100% of their efforts in doing so. Rather than finding better ways to unalive each other. So when they get to earth they're just watching in horror at our proclivity for violence.
Literally the plot of "The road not taken".
Not exactly plausible though, it's akin to expecting a modern engineer who uses shaped charges in mining to be amazed by the power of a bow. A bunch of civilian tech can be used as absolutely devastating weapons or turned into them with ease, even more so if it's advanced enough to be used by a spacefaring civilization. They'll just load their space cessna with some space dynamite, crash it into out planet and call it a day.
Most likely scenario would be a more stable earth for them to develop from.
Less active volcanic activity.
Less need to move from place to place.
Maybe their own biology helped them, but they did wear exoskeleton suits so idk.
Thank you, Roanoke. Tali is indeed the best girl!
Absolutley on both statements haha
Facts
Faxx
I forget what game this is
Undeniable facts. All other choices in women are secondary.
One reason I love your channel is not just from how interesting it is but it also gives me interesting design choices when creating monsters and alien races
Watched a few of your videos. I love how enthusiastic you sound when you really start to dig into a topic!
I love how despite Roanoke being so aggressively American and pro-human, he just admits that we are basically monkeys with sticks if aliens decide we deserve to not exist. There is no amount of patriotism that can overpower the fact we are probably one of the dumbest sentient beings there is
To be fair we are probably gonna wipe out our own species before we actually meet any alien life face to face 😂
@@GodSlayerMaelU know the facts show that aliens wouldn't kill or attack us. There's an endless amount of resources on uninhabited planets, we pose no threat, these things can travel the universe and r smart so killing for no reasons out and they could make robot slaves that would never fight back or spread disease or anything. It makes no sense.
@@GodSlayerMaeljokes on you. the elites already sold us out as hosts to an invasive species while they build rocket ships to become space faring refugees
@@GodSlayerMaelyeah, the aliens just gotta be patient and we’ll take care of ourselves
like him or not he's spitting facts
The will Smith punching the alien scene is ICONIC (USA USA 🇺🇸)
Why the hell its smells like barbecue!!!
GRAAAAAAAAH 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Will Smith showing the world he's a sissy cuck was iconic too.
Fun fact for you, Tali fan boys: The soldier that double taps the alien after the autopsy scene, actually voices Kal Reegar, the male Quarian who was with Tali in Mass Effect 2 when you find her on that really hot planet. So yeah lol
Truly? That's hilarious
Quite an entertaining vid. Appreciate the work that went into it. Excellent work!
Fun fact: the character of the nam vet with ptsd was originally going to be flying his crop duster into the alien ship and blowing it up with improve explosives or stuff he had left over from Vietnam.
I remember going to watch this movie... It was at a theater in Athens, GA which probably doesn't exist anymore (the theater) and I remember it well because they were finishing the final section of Hwy 316 merging into 29 just before downtown. And yes it was hot so we all were drinking plenty of soda and I remember reeeaallllyyy having to go when the movie finally ended.
I saw it at 13 in Vegas (shout out to the rainbow promenade) and I had to pee twice.
Should've worn "astronaut under garments"
No clue how you can pump out so many videos, you’ve quickly became one of my favorite content creators. Thanks for the entertainment!
scientific spite
I feel like the issue with the moon defense is that it was based on the scout ship’s shield which would likely be less effective than the larger harvester ship’s shields. Probably would’ve being it so it would have enough power to break the scout shield but save energy for the next shot. Like arming yourself with a bullet that can punch through Kevlar just well enough to kill the person behind it, and not shatter your shoulder or waste lead and gunpowder needlessly. And then instead of a guy in Kevlar, we end up facing a tank.
Oh man I heard you say "Quest for More Money" in Mel Brooks' voice even... I love this channel. You get me Roanoke. Now I'm sad we never got a Spaceballs II...
It really feels that these were really inspired by War of the Worlds as if you take everything but the head and tentacles off they basically would be the Wells aliens. I think that drink machine was a Fruitopia machine, the machine that took most of my money in art school.
Oh man Fruitopia hit me like Pavlov now I'm drooling 😂
If you haven’t already I would recommend the book series “Remembrance of Earths Past”. It does a great job at showing the technological gap between the humans and aliens in it. It’s being turned into a Netflix series soon as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on it and the unique biology of the aliens.
czcams.com/video/gLFuxYibRgA/video.htmlsi=nbClINBjOyfj2c7b This is a great video the explains the trilogy with very minimal spoilers.
I think that's the Three Body Problem
@@chriswhite3692 the first book is the three body problem and some people will usually borrow that name for the whole trilogy, but it’s official name is remembrance of earths past.
It's the same with Game of Thrones / Song of Ice and Fire.
We know what you meant either way.
@RoanokeGaming yo bro, that clip of the military at 6:02 is my unit!!! That guy in the glasses is me, lol
I'm gonn do the cringe thing! Thanks for your service man!
God damn your videos are all SO good, I've been bingewatching them all for the past week (sorry for any errors english is not my first language)
I really like the more integrated review and science breakdown style. I never skipped ahead to the science stuff before but would easily tune out during the recap. This is much more engaging and entertaining. Keep up the great work.
What matters is not where the breakdown starts, but that it starts with the feet.
(Writing this before I start the video, Roan may work this stuff out himself)
There was an ID4 prequel book that covered the early life of Dr Okun and the Roswell crash in more detail. Few people know about it so I'm guessing it may not be covered.
But there was a brief paragraph talking about the bio suit and the original harvesters.
A higher gravity jungle planet is where the biosuit creature originally evolved, akin to an arboreal crustacean, without the tentacles. The harvesters destroyed their world, and took the creatures and changed their DNA, improving them, added tentacles for fine manipulation/controlling starship mechanisms, and removing unneeded parts. Now they're simply "grown" synthetically and hollowed out.
The Harvesters themselves overpopulated their world, moved into caves, killed each other food, simple moss and lichen. The few who left the planet were the only survivors, never learning their lessons, growing unchecked as advanced hives would.
Apologies for the unrelenting nerdiness of my ramblings.
Nerdy ramblings are the best kind of ramblings
I don’t think those books are cannon since the ID4 Resurgence novel is and introduces a different backstory where the sphere race actually created the harvesters.
This just makes them less scary and formidable. They are another species too stupid for their own good. But dam, using dead race you killed as your own chariots is brutal. I'm glad humanity took vengeance upon them.
All this shit about the suits being corpses is both cool as fuck, and grim as fuck.
@@Googleisstupid-sk3hm Its brutal and all, but we would probably have done the same if any of our earth animals had great practical use for charioting purposes.
Take the horse shoe crabs for example, we routinely catch and drain their blood for use in drug sterility testing. The only reason they're kept alive is cuz we can't synthetically "grow" their blood, but if we otherwise could, we wouldn't even notice if their habitats got destroyed and population numbers crashed.
If some exosuit made from gorilla corpses that could allow us to carry steel beams and other heavy construction materials without needing heavy machineries was invented, it won't be surprising if we use it too. Of course with super strict regulations and testing and modifications, but we'll still use it.
I love you reminding me about my own tinnitus every freaking video
Hey Roanoke, I made a recommendation a long time ago about the Relic movie; and it was beyond perfect. Well I'm back with another. I was rewatching the British TV show Primeval and there are creatures from the future I think you may find interesting as a biologist. Much love, and love this Independence Day episode ❤ 10/10
Humans all the way! Also yes more Roanoke videos!
Hell ya brother
Humanity #1 Baby!
it wasnt a thing in cities, but suburban and rural areas in the 90s, everyones keys were in their visor, ive heard explanations from my family ranging from laziness, ease of access, "it looked like a good hiding spot" even "idk gramps/granny just did it, so its habit" even today i know several people out in the country who still do it and im glad theyre that safe to be able to
Subbed a long time ago and youtube hasn't shown me your content in ages. Forgot where I subbed from til you said "starting with the feet" then I had major flashbacks.
Nice video yet again, Roanoke!
Would you mind sharing videos that explain that human telepathy and quantum number generator? It was very interesting and I’d love to see it more!
The book that was written to promote the first movie went into more detail in regards to the functionality and the origin of the biomechanical suits that the Harvesters use to pound us into the ground. In particular, the book mentioned that the suits are in fact modified reanimated corpses of another species that have been heavily modified for use as suits. Additionally, the fighters that they use are also grown
Oh yeah the wee ships are based on the carcass of a manta ray like creature, with a hardened shell.
The part about the fighters gives me Cylon raider vibes😮
@@Aaron_GKVcombine for me
The Harvesters grew their technology from conquered species. Read the books.
If I'm not mistaken the f35 story was actually an f22, and it was facing f15's. Which again with the odds stacked against one of the most formidable fighters at the time the raptor did bag and tag all of them with little effort. The raptor as expensive as it is, is one of the most impressive 5th gen fighters ever made and thats based on what Lockheed Martin has told the public....it does more.
Most expensive plane in existence is a small price to pay for complete air superiority
Yup. F35 didn't come out until later
Unless the missile was also stealthy and without active radar guidance there's no way all the F-15s would be killed especially not without being aware. The exercize counted missile lock and launch as "kill" not actual chances to kill that with an AMRAAM against an F-15 is like less than 50% per missile. In a real battle scenario the F-22 might had gotten away with it since it has similar kinematic performance to the F-15 but an F-35 with only 4 AMRAAMs would at best kill 2 if it was very lucky and then would be chased and curbstomped by the rest of the eagles.
@nickkorkodylas5005 hey man idk what the capabilities of the raptor is since a large portion is secret. I do know apples to apples the raptor is out maneuvering the f15 all day. And with the older flight systems of the 15 it'd be hard for it to go 1 to 1. F35 I could definitely see taking some losses, stealth can only go so far the raptor has claimed air dominance since deployment and with that kind of maneuverability and arms I can surely see why.
@@stevenonthewater6070 We are talking about a 5 v1 scenario dude and no the raptor is not that much more maneuverable than the F-15, it had its ass handed in mock dogfights by F-16s and TV is no longer used for standard maneuvers because it bleeds too much kinetic.
@ 9:47 a random Takua appears, and for whatever reason, that made my day.
So fun part about the deserts in this movie. He was walking across the Bonneville salt flats with the alien which is about 650+miles away from the area the military base was in. It's also about 260 miles north east of area 51. If he had instead walked north east he would have ended up at Hill Air Force Base which is a major supply and repair depot which didn't actually have any alien ships over the top of it in the movie.
One detail I like from Resurgence is that the Human bombers are just B-1s upgraded with alien tech.
Never thought I would see a Bionicle meme used by Roanoke. I am very pleased. Also just now catching up on like 3 months of backlog videos
I've listened to a few of your videos so far and wow, if it's at all possible could you stop being so relatable and familiar? Like wow I love your CZcams page yes you're a biologist I appreciate that and I'm sure thousands if not hundreds of thousands appreciate that, but even when you continue your main career please keep this as a side note or even a form of passive income because yeah it feels like a nice college seminar in theology. Anyway long story short thank you for uploading and posting
The usage of telepathy in how a society and species works is so fascinating to me. It reminds me of the Furons from the Destroy All Humans series. They’re and extremely militaristic race, extremely intelligent and have a Lust for destruction that borders on an art for them. Part of this is because of the fact they’re naturally telepathic and can read minds. Comedy and Drama are both difficult to near impossible to create in Furon society because they can tell what the twists and punchlines are thanks to their mind reading abilities. Destruction, combat and Warfare are far more entertaining thanks to the combat of wits that goes into a fight. As a result even their weaponry exceeds what would be reasonable for any combat encounter because for them the real drama is in the heat of combat and odd and overkill weaponry makes it even more entertaining. The two main characters get absorbed in American culture and programming because of this. TV is extremely addicting entertainment because not only is their action and Drama but the primitive nature of human technology means you can read minds of the actors.
You mean the primitive human Tech means you can't read the actors Minds? Not Sure how you'd read a TVs mind
Extremely based DaH fan. Love the way Crypto becomes his own imitation of an American badass/hero throughout the games.
as a fellow migraineur ... sympathies. as to the aliens, the BOOK adapatation of independance day has some lovely details about the bio mech suits- which are actually other aliens they use as suits.
you may well go into that, but i commented after the migraine part.
Excellent Sodaz clip!!! That was great to see!
@6:50 that Minute Maid vending machine gave me such a rush of nostalgia for the 90’s… they were everywhere back then, but I cannot recall seeing them since that decade.
What I always thought why the virus worked was that the aliens are indeed a hive mind so internal computer security wasn't something they thought of. Plus it required a physical connection to the mothership. It was pure luck that that Area 51 just happen to have an alien ship to physically connect
Even so there is the base incompatibility. Even if the alien computers where binary, the isa would be completely different. And since the ship was off until the aliens arrived they had no time to figure it out.
It's like trying to run riscV or Arm code natively on a X86.
I don’t remember where i read it, but i remember reading some piece of background lore for ID4, and it was about how humans had reverse engineered the technology on the crashed Roswell ship.
They did because in the 2nd movie we are using there technology in our jets
Harvester aliens worked on the Honour System
You should cover skyline(2010) if you have time. It’s a pretty good si-fi flic with pretty unique and detailed alien biology as well as a protagonist that understands the age old concept of hit it until it stops twitching. I really enjoy your work here on CZcams. While I mostly deal with mechanics and physics it’s always fun to listen to a breakdown from a biological perspective, keep up the good work.
I second this motion in the name of NATO!
The major sin of that movie was the ship surviving a nuke detonating inside the ship, no shields, no super armor, it goes straight into the ship and goes off but somehow the 100 million Kelvin doesn't completely vaporize at least a good chunk of the ship and scatter the rest over half of that Earth's hemisphere, not to mention completely killing anything biological inside with the radiation pulse of the initial detonation.
Awesome video!
Just bought both on dvd and finished watching them because of this video, it made me want to watch them again.
If tribal uncontacted people can take down a helicopter and that makes us ban anyone coming near them aliens would probably react the same to us gunning down one of their stupid pathetic ships.
No uncontacted tribe has *ever* taken down a helicopter, mate. Check your facts before you spew next time. lmfao
We are a very stupid intelligent species who are very good at accidentally obliterating stuff with different versions of rocks and various temperatures and flavors of fire
You're thinking of North Sentinel Island, but they have never taken out any vehicle of any kind. They do kill trespassers though
LOL FR
Your description of what we should have before talking to our space neighbors was straight out of my (and probably everyone elses) RTS strategy. Have some nearby picket scouts but not widespread exploring. Build my defenses. Turrets, walls, a small-medium combat force. Then I send out scouts. Once I find other units, I determine friend/foe (always foe because it's an RTS videogame) then react accordingly. Usually, moving my combat force to a decent forward position and build up a proper attack force to steam roll my enemies.
Just got your channel today. Your thoughts on the topic are impressive.
3:32 I generally listen to your videos. I was not expecting to see anime boy Kirby, the most powerful cream puff, playing a momentary role as diabolical door camper. It caught me by surprise.
the core harvesting sounds about right, theoretically it would be much easier to slurp up the molten core then to harvest a solid core or to collect 10,000 small, fast moving objects for miniscule return. in shorter words: it kinda makes sense. (edit: also i quite like the second movie, i can understand not liking it but i enjoyed it.)
But earth doesn't have a purely molten core, and the parts that are "solid" are so mostly due to the earths mass constantly pressing in on it. Pluto, Saturns moons, or Jupiter would be far better harvesting targets.
@@myaldeade a fair point, did you atleast get what i was meaning, from a curtain angle it makes sense.
@@ecogreen123 I do see your point but an iron core could be magnetically removed from the rest of the planets mass easier than the "molten" core. It's only really hot due to the pressures, when removed and cooled it's space rock mostly
But there'd have to be other planets out there with a molten iron core.
@@SirDankleberry there likely is plenty for the harvesting, but this one was personal, you'know?
Ive always loved the alien designs when i was a kid, theyre still awesome to look at even now
the sound of first contact still lives in my head since the first time i saw it in 2002
I love all your reviews!!
These guys are basically the Great Value versions of the Asgard from Stargate. Specifically the ones in the 2nd movie since the first movie came out a few years before Stargate SG-1.
GV Asgard 🤣😂 🤣😂
I love Roanoke, I remember him blowing up with dead space vids, now he's quiping about blown out middle aged knees. Truely a man of the people.
The early telepathy in humans has peaked my interest mainly because I was informed when I was in a military cadet group by a retired Vet who lives in the UK & volunteers with the RAF Cadets as an instructor.
Anyway at one of our camps all three groups in the 1101 Squadron were present (Blue, Red, and Green Flight Group signified by a coloured marking on our berets). I was a Cadet First Class for Blue Group, and my fireteams callsign was Gibbon, which was the fireteam with Blue Group's highest ranked cadet, essentially his personal unit. I had the callsign Gibbon-5, but there were 8 of us in my fireteam.
We were instructed before an altered game of Manhunt using blanks & radios that one of the ways to make yourself more hidden was to close your eyes if you can observe an enemy that can't see you. This is because even when not looking at you the British military has observed that enemy combatants, and people in general, are more likely to discover you if you observe them, almost like they can feel where you are.
I'm so glad you brought up the quantum computing experiment!
Roanoke! Love your channel, I love learning about the science behind movies and games. It's all so fascinating and you break it down into a easy to consume way. Thank you for the amazing content!
Please do a video on the Tyranids! With the new Space Marine game coming out it's a good time to get footage and model details.
Also, what are your opinions on the search for extra-terrestrial life in our solar system? (most likely places, signs to look for, etc.)
using the picture of Boogie with the comical nerd voice made me dribble coffee. Thank-you sir!
I love series like this. I don't have the time for studying this fiction, but I appreciate y'all that do.
It'd ff death clown....where's the laugh
Been waiting for a video on the Harvesters for ages! Thank you Roanoke!
I had a migraine to last night. Weird, was it the barro pressure? I threw up it got so bad, I was a little dehydrated thought so it wasn't too bad.
Thanks for the science and yes, we terrifying are like a children next to a highway.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you for making this video half as long as the movies you were talking about! 😜😂
I love roanoke's nerd voice so much. It needs it's own compilation imo :)
I genuinely love these videos so much I have re-watched nearly half of them, keep up the great work man!
Oh CORE sucking oh that makes more sense, thought it said something else
Omfao
You read it like that too?
Haven’t heard the F35 vs F18 story sounds a lot like the F22 vs F15 one, might be what he’s thinking of, but during preproduction testing one F22 was put against 12 F15Cs in about 2 minutes scored all of them without being spotted, another great example of tech differences is the time a F22 intercepted two Iranian F4s and was undetected right under them and only got noticed when he pulled right next to them and hailed them saying to go home
I was hooked within the first 2 minutes, and with the southpaw comment I know I found an amazing story teller!
I would love it if Roanoke covered the different aliens in Mass Effect.
I thought he did in his older videos
Need some Krogan biology. Apparently if you cut off all their limbs their rage would be so intense that they'd try to bite your ankles off. To be fair, I can understand it.
I love how these aliens are pretty much a more evil version of the Formics from the Enders universe. Only just not realizing the similarities
Buggers are ten times better written than these things.
What about the fact that Pacific Rim is almost a carbon copy of this with a few tweaks.
Sequels are almost carbon copies of eachother also.
Pacific Rim is more of a ripoff of Evangelion.
Thanks for the content.
Can confirm on the 'black mold base housing' joke, my time in on-base housing during my service was terrible, those houses are so poorly maintained. The sewage of an entire block got stopped up and everyone's basements flooded with sewer water, it was awful!
You're amazing, I rewatch your stuff a lot, great rewatch value in most of your stuff! Keep it up bro!
The thumbnail reminded me of a Hydralisk from StarCraft, which begs the question, would you ever consider going over the Zerg from StarCraft? They infest humans (Terran) but I'm not sure if there's much to go over in terms of biology but if anyone could make it work it's Roanoke Tales... I mean Gaming.
I didn't know there was a second independence day, I will have to watch this.
Thanks. You mentioning YOUR tinnitus made me aware of MINE again and now it’s louder!
I actually want to see a third one where we go interstellar and just have one big war with other alien species vs the harvesters and multiple queens
Ah yes the alien species that’s advanced enough to cross space and create force fields that can tank nukes but gets defeated by a 90’s computer virus.
Well they might of never dealt with a virus before. They are a hivemind race and most likely don't have assholes like we do. Also there is a deleted scene when David studies the Harvesters machine language. Hell, humans might be the only race out there and gets off on fucking our own people.
I mean. Think of it this way. A modern solder with their bullet proof/resistant armor can take a couple bullets. But yknow what it can't take nearly as well? A freaking sword. Now realistically the odds of a swordman reaching a modern soldier is well...just look at Japans civil war between the samurai and the shogunate when they decided to modernize. Spoiler aler the samurai got slaughtered.
Basically what I'm getting at is that advance tech is made for advanced problems. So if something is old or primitive enough it could actually work. But the odds of getting close enough to succseffuly pull it off is super small. But its greater than zero. So in theory our primitive virus could actually work if their anti virus has no idea what to even look for from our primitive systems. But yknow we have to get inside their mother ship undetected. Much like a swordsman would have to reach gunman undetected. Its possible. But highly improbable.
@@ODST626Nah it's dumb, because computer viruses are not primitive at all, they still use computers, while modern soldiers stopped using swords.
@@saadamehdi2848 not all of them. Just the sane ones. I've seen footage of a middle eastern man with a katana and a crapton of rpgs.
But you ironically prove my point. Its antiquated and almost no one uses them. So we don't bother to make our armor protect against them. Just like how a computer virus from a species thousands of years of tech level lower than yours could have a virus you don't make defenses against because who would use such antiquated technology?;
@@saadamehdi2848 also our level of computing is absolutely primitive to a space fairing civilization and if you don't see that then im sorry but you're dumb.
Picture how far computers have come from the first manned mission to the moon to now. Drastically different. You could argue that the computers that needed entire warehouses of space to do a fraction of what our phones can do primitive in comparison.
And that is a difference of 100 or less years. Now imagine how primitive our current tech will seek in thousands of years.
Yes. We are in fact extremely primitive tech wise right now in comparison to any hypothetical alien species who can travel the stars at this moment.
10:52 Gotta nit-pik a bit, since Marines have a crayon MRE ;) . El Toro is a Marine Corp Air Station, not a Air Force Base. Awesome vid as always!
Jeez. When you talked about tinnitus and then heard it. I really felt that.