Best Gloves (Nitrile vs Latex)? Venom Steel vs Grease Monkey, Hardy, Phantom, Raven, Gloveworks

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  • Rubber Gloves: Hardy (Harbor Freight) vs Adenna, Comfy Package, RX Pro, GMG, Grease Monkey, GripProtect, Phantom, Silverback, Venom Steel, Raven, Gloveworks, HDX, Safeskin. Gloves compared for abrasion resistance, puncture resistance, stretch and strength before and after chemical exposure, and tear resistance. I purchased all of the gloves and supplies used to test the gloves to ensure an unbiased review. So, thank you for supporting the channel.
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  • @rocaveda9757
    @rocaveda9757 Před rokem +1600

    Hey Todd when should we expect the LTT Screwdriver review?

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +1491

      Sunday, Sept 4 at 11:50 AM CST...the same time and day as usual. Testing is already underway against the leading brands out there. Thanks again!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling Před rokem +330

      I think LTT mentioned they were overnighted a day or two ago. The time it takes to run all the tests, get the data together, record the video, and edit the footage is significant, so hopefully soon, but don't hold your breath!
      I know I'm looking forward to Project Farm's review not only for the LTT driver, but also for ratcheting drivers in general. Would be cool to see what contraptions are used to get objective data.

    • @harisjaved1379
      @harisjaved1379 Před rokem +37

      I am looking forward to it! Thanks Todd!

    • @nikkabasyuk1
      @nikkabasyuk1 Před rokem +29

      @@ProjectFarm probably too late to test the wiha brand ratcheting screwdriver?

    • @CartoonWeasel
      @CartoonWeasel Před rokem +68

      Wait, linus tech tips made a screwdriver set?

  • @c.j.1089
    @c.j.1089 Před rokem +2402

    This topic is SOLID GOLD to us that work in the shop all day. Gloves are a GIANT pita to determine which are good, and which are not. THANK YOU for doing this!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +223

      Thank you very much! The difference in performance is simply amazing and I'll be buying different gloves in the future for sure.

    • @billy2bob63
      @billy2bob63 Před rokem +25

      Real men don't wear gloves! Lol
      Sarcasm

    • @c.j.1089
      @c.j.1089 Před rokem +22

      @@ProjectFarm I think I will too based on your tests! Thanks again!

    • @CartoonWeasel
      @CartoonWeasel Před rokem +11

      In a shop you want higher mil spec gloves.
      Should be 6mil or higher.

    • @kwestionariusz1
      @kwestionariusz1 Před rokem +2

      Yea great test

  • @ExcavationNation
    @ExcavationNation Před rokem +148

    It always amazes me that I always pull the correct glove out for my right and left hand without even looking

    • @not-a-raccoon
      @not-a-raccoon Před rokem +14

      I always pull two left gloves. I'm just unlocky

    • @ahlongs1278
      @ahlongs1278 Před rokem +5

      Bruuuh, you have a tallent

    • @artvance8251
      @artvance8251 Před rokem +8

      You must have ESPN.

    • @ethics3
      @ethics3 Před rokem +2

      I don't think you do , but you honestly believe you do because you are a " glass half full " type of person. Your brain remembers the good things that happens and dismisses the bad , thus you tend to not remember when you pull the incorrect glove....... Just a theory. haha

    • @steveturner3999
      @steveturner3999 Před rokem +4

      I have two left hands so I can only use half a box. Anybody need a bunch of rights? LOL!

  • @davidyoung2111
    @davidyoung2111 Před rokem +130

    I love when he says "WERE GONNA TEST THAT" lol. So you know if a tool makes a bold claim, well he's gonna hold them to that. I do love this channel.

    • @KrepsyK
      @KrepsyK Před 3 měsíci +1

      Most of the time the claims are BS too lol

  • @chriskirkemo2522
    @chriskirkemo2522 Před rokem +216

    Sir, you by far have the most interesting channel and as an engineer, I can really appreciate your approach, focus, and extreme attention to details and very creative problem solving is obvious in the design of your tests/fixtures. I’ll always follow your projects/content. Thank you.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +14

      Thanks and you are welcome!

    • @chriskirkemo2522
      @chriskirkemo2522 Před rokem

      @max marrero yes sir, at it 14 years

    • @frederickczajka573
      @frederickczajka573 Před rokem

      Truely a Red Green acolyte......

    • @MRMIKE276
      @MRMIKE276 Před 3 měsíci

      I too am an engineer... you'll know by the fact I told you and my spelling is atrocious.

  • @BluLemon
    @BluLemon Před rokem +319

    "I really appreciate all the time you guys take to leave comments...regarding the testing that just took place".
    Sir the amount of time and effort you put into these testings is just unparallel to what companies will ever be willing to do for their products, you are truly one of my role models!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +25

      Thank you very much!

    • @bobd.
      @bobd. Před rokem +16

      You are so right. The amount of time that must go into devising all these tests and collecting the data is huge. Todd a 'How It's Made' video on how you go about making a video would be cool. This glove test would be a perfect choice. How you come up with all the tests to perform, how you collect the data. Do you have help. How many cameras are running, etc. It would all be of interest to your viewers I bet.

    • @BarredCoast0
      @BarredCoast0 Před rokem +1

      @@bobd. Excellent idea!

    • @FusionDeveloper
      @FusionDeveloper Před rokem +3

      @BluLemon I agree. I remain astonished while watching these videos.
      It looks like it takes a lot of time to figure out how to test, build the testing devices, setup cameras, make the charts, think of what to say, edit the videos and of course, to put everything away when your done. It is one heck of a lot of effort.

    • @DRV-mt5dd
      @DRV-mt5dd Před rokem

      Agreed!

  • @Spaniard47
    @Spaniard47 Před rokem +129

    He's done it again.
    Never would have thought that gloves made from the same materials could be so different from each other. Thanks and very impressive!

    • @glasshammer291
      @glasshammer291 Před rokem +1

      purity of material and thickness play a large part. the fact that the gloves tested had dissimilar thicknesses should have called this whole test into question

    • @overtheatlas
      @overtheatlas Před rokem +6

      ​@@glasshammer291 I disagree, he's testing the overall best glove. Not best thickness

    • @glasshammer291
      @glasshammer291 Před rokem

      @@overtheatlas that's not apple to apples

    • @rupe53
      @rupe53 Před rokem +3

      @@glasshammer291 ... may not be apples to apples, but it's what each brand offers. Probably could have broken it into categories for general work, common automotive work, and chemical work. IOW, one type doesn't cover all applications.... just like cotton garden gloves versus leather work gloves are for different chores.

    • @Spaniard47
      @Spaniard47 Před rokem +1

      @@glasshammer291 general testing gives general results, which in this case is perfect. Most consumers just need to know which products perform best within a certain environment.

  • @JeepyGunner
    @JeepyGunner Před rokem +46

    I love that you always try to include Harbor Freight into the mix. I know you won't stop doing that, but I wanted to pass along my message of encouragement! Keep on testing HF with the expensive brands! Hopefully 10-15 years from now you'll have tested every product HF sells!

  • @DarkGharren
    @DarkGharren Před rokem +31

    Gloves are such an important item that many people use daily, and yet you rarely see comprehensive tests for them. This is very helpful and detailed, kudos to you!

  • @scubbarookie
    @scubbarookie Před rokem +67

    This has to be one of the greatest tests; for many of us DIY'ers, finding out which brands really stand out from the competition! Thank you!

  • @MCKoolperson9
    @MCKoolperson9 Před rokem +186

    I've tried most of the gloves in this comparison. As a concrete worker, dexterity doesn't matter quite as much as abrasion resistance. When I can find them, I always buy the venom steel chemical gloves, they are blue, 13 mil, latex gloves. They are cheap enough that they can be considered disposable, but durable enough that I don't mind taking care of them. I will go through 20 pairs of venom steel nitrile gloves in a day, but I've had single pairs of the chemical gloves last me up to a week

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +22

      Thank you!

    • @bobshams7231
      @bobshams7231 Před rokem +7

      Those were also the best gloves I found working in the oilfield. And I tried everything at every price throughout the years. Excellent brand.

    • @RANDOMNATION907
      @RANDOMNATION907 Před rokem +6

      I use to get gloves that where blue and had a longer cuff, like the Hardy 7 mil, but where two layer like the the venom steel. Had a soft white lining that prevented my fingers from pickling. Total thickness was 14 mil. They usually lasted me about a week, and sometimes I tossed a pair because they got too smelly. I'm retired now but, at the time I was an auto mechanic. I think they were called Blue Diamond-14L.

    • @skliros9235
      @skliros9235 Před rokem +1

      Why do you wear rubber gloves for concrete work?

    • @Monkeh616
      @Monkeh616 Před rokem

      @@skliros9235 Sand is abrasive, cement is alkaline, and it's an exothermic mixture. Long story short, it will destroy your skin.

  • @BroMark1611
    @BroMark1611 Před rokem +6

    These vids are phenomenal. I did motor vehicle repairs for 51 years (I'm 72 next month) and I was called glove fag early on, but my hands are in great shape. It's just I had to spend money unnecessarily to find the best stuff, and my brand choices back then were not like they are now. I went through many style of padded cloth gloves too. Writing this makes me miss it all. Thanks for your time in video and the amazing concrete testing.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +1

      You are welcome! Thanks for sharing!

    • @MajimaEnterprises
      @MajimaEnterprises Před rokem +3

      Wonder how many preventable health issues those guys who didn't wear gloves are dealing with now due to absorbing all sorts of chemicals through their skin.

  • @s1283
    @s1283 Před rokem +60

    Very cool how you created pretty fair testbeds for each of these catagories. Over the years I find there are a few things I enjoy about your videos more than anything; 1: creative tests customized for each product, 2: consistency within reason (your not a lab but the fact that your tests are hearty, reproducible,still pretty precise by providing reasonable and most importantly believable results with minimal places for errors that would greatly affect any results is refreshing.) 3: the absolute widest array of testing, of both products and different tests All in one place for the world to see! Keep it up! Can’t wait to see what’s next!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +6

      Thanks, will do! Thanks for watching!

  • @MrNastytrucker44
    @MrNastytrucker44 Před rokem +54

    Project farm is by far one of my favorite CZcamsrs. Thank you for being so thorough in all the things you test out, and by not selling out to corporate interests for truly unbiased reviews!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +4

      Thank you!

    • @JayMoravec
      @JayMoravec Před rokem

      Project Farm, Big Clive and AVE are the best by far other than keeping my dick in a vice. It's a bad recommendation.

  • @knight-knight
    @knight-knight Před rokem +203

    I'm a machinist and I wear the gloveworks almost everyday. One pair can last me a whole 10 hour shift. That includes putting them on and off multiple times a day. I might try out venom steel the next time I buy gloves. Thanks for the great content.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +22

      You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.

    • @tommyj7087
      @tommyj7087 Před rokem +2

      Good info. That is the ones I picked due to the texture. Glad to hear from 2 sources that they are a good choice.

    • @SubversionGarage
      @SubversionGarage Před rokem +2

      Gloveworks are the best I have found.

    • @HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks
      @HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks Před rokem +1

      I've never reused or seen anyone reuse their disposable gloves. I bet you can squeeze a penny till Lincoln's eyes pop out.

    • @knight-knight
      @knight-knight Před rokem +23

      @@HadToChangeMyName_CZcamsSucks They are 50 cents a pair. It doesn't makes sense to replace them every time I take them off. It would get really expensive fast.

  • @dean9498
    @dean9498 Před rokem +11

    I use the Venom Steel gloves all the time. I knew they were good. This confirms it. I'm a hardwood floor finisher,so chemical resistance and tear resistance are most important. This was a great test comparison.

  • @GunWillTravel
    @GunWillTravel Před rokem +20

    Bought a bunch of Venom Steel at the beginning of the pandemic, and I was really surprised at how great they perform in a variety of tasks! As always, your testing perfectly reflects my real world experience.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +4

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @JH-sm3ci
      @JH-sm3ci Před rokem +1

      Been using Venom Steel for years. By far my favorite gloves. They're been impossible to find locally since covid though.

  • @cwstevens71
    @cwstevens71 Před rokem +117

    Just when I believe you should be running out of testing ideas you surprise me with another great video. Great work.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +52

      Thank you! I ran out of ideas 2 years ago but fortunately Project Farm viewers have continued providing GREAT ideas!! Please keep the ideas coming!

    • @thereissomecoolstuff
      @thereissomecoolstuff Před rokem +2

      Hard to believe he hadn't done this before.

    • @gus473
      @gus473 Před rokem +3

      @@ProjectFarm Hey Todd, can you do sump pumps sometime? Give a real workout if you do! 👍🏼😎✌🏼

    • @alexgrant1979
      @alexgrant1979 Před rokem +6

      @@ProjectFarm What about testing jumper cables? I live in the UK and i have some really bad cables over the years. Maybe test how they take being overloaded or being left outside in the weather etc. Thanks Alex. Love your channel.

    • @TheRealSykx
      @TheRealSykx Před rokem +2

      @@gus473 That's a good 1!

  • @danjordan1979
    @danjordan1979 Před rokem +82

    It boggles my mind how you devise so many tests, and perform them all to perfection! So many aspects the average person couldn't even begin to consider! Excellent video, as I've come to expect. Perfect Sunday evening viewing! 👍👍

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +8

      Thank you!

    • @Joseph-xt2qg
      @Joseph-xt2qg Před rokem +1

      Haha, I agree. These videos could be made into a science curriculum for kids

  • @MCMXI1
    @MCMXI1 Před rokem +1

    The ranking table you added a few months ago for this type of test is great. It makes deciphering the winner by use case so easy. THANK YOU for all of your time and effort.

  • @nickkaplan6585
    @nickkaplan6585 Před rokem +3

    Always great videos! Such thoughtful comparisons that reveal product quality between brands. I always check out your videos when I'm buying something for my shop. Keep up the great work!

  • @NSFWHarold
    @NSFWHarold Před rokem +118

    It seems that the one factor that can't really be taken into consideration is the age of the box and conditions it was stored in. I've found that regardless of which gloves I'm using, they deteriorate in the box over time. In addition, if they are stored in my hot garage, that seems to accelerate the deterioration.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +18

      Thank you for the feedback!

    • @texicon
      @texicon Před rokem +22

      Refrigerate after opening

    • @glanzaguy9187
      @glanzaguy9187 Před rokem +23

      I'm pretty sure its ozone in the air that degrades the gloves. I try to put the gloves in a ziploc bag and toss the box. Seems to make them last.

    • @NSFWHarold
      @NSFWHarold Před rokem +8

      @@glanzaguy9187 thanks, I hadn't thought of that. That's worth a try. I guess that would preserve the moisture in the material, helping prevent them from drying out. Makes sense.

    • @ernestgalvan9037
      @ernestgalvan9037 Před rokem +11

      Better-quality gloves, and all medical gloves, have ‘Date of Manufacture’ on them.. medical gloves will also have ‘Expiration Date’.
      I agree with Glanza Guy… ZipLock bags are better for storage… vacuum-sealed are even better.
      One more thing… putting corn starch on your hands makes donning gloves MUCH easier.
      And ‘one more’ one more thing. Latex gloves can cause sensitivity problems, usually allergic reactions.
      After years of Fire/EMS, I now suffer from latex-induced anaphylactic shock, from mild to severe.

  • @alexdeleon7135
    @alexdeleon7135 Před rokem +56

    The test jigs used in this episode were brilliant! You covered every possible aspect of damage that could possibly occur with protective glove use. In short: Very Impressive!

  • @Oliver0200
    @Oliver0200 Před rokem +11

    I appreciate your comfort input. Definitely a positive idea. The average finish number is huge to me. Probably the best innovation to finish your videos with since you've started, it helps to keep me from skipping through the video after completing it and looking at the results of each test to narrow down your top picks.

  • @KentHenry8
    @KentHenry8 Před rokem +6

    The 7mil Hardy gloves with the longer cuff have become a favorite of mine when doing especially dirty automotive stuff - that extra length makes a big difference. Great work as always!

  • @BigInjun05
    @BigInjun05 Před rokem +88

    I've been using venom gloves for water treatment testing. Never had an issue and definitely recommended.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +6

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @seinfan9
      @seinfan9 Před rokem +2

      They just sound cool too lol.

    • @predsfanmyrtlebeach4542
      @predsfanmyrtlebeach4542 Před rokem +2

      What's the fit like? Do they have their own sizing or do they use a more standardized system?

    • @plkracer
      @plkracer Před rokem +3

      @@predsfanmyrtlebeach4542 they have a one size fits most, and an xxl. The one size is like a medium-large, if you have big hands, you need the xxl, but they are hard to find unless you buy online.

    • @davidswanson5669
      @davidswanson5669 Před rokem +1

      @@predsfanmyrtlebeach4542 in general it’s a slightly looser fit for me - I have large hands and I buy the large size. I just mean it’s not stretching crazy over my hand while I wear them, it’s comfy.

  • @rogerstephenson5639
    @rogerstephenson5639 Před rokem +42

    I have 2 main gloves in the shop, Venom Steel & Gloveworks, plus a cheap vinyl glove for quick coverage for a dhort task just to keep my hands clean. It is not uncommon to get more than 1 day of use from the venom steel doing woodworking. I also find them to be fairly comfortable for extended wear. The Gloveworks seem to have changed since I bought my first package and the new ones may not be of the same quality as the original ones were. Thank you for all of your testing, I appreciate your honesty and unbiased opinions. I look forward to each new test that you post.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +1

      Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing.

    • @gijoecam
      @gijoecam Před rokem

      The first box of Venom Steel I bought lasterd me two years and were awesome!! When I eventually ran out, I bought two more boxes... And they're rubbish. Very disappointed. They feel like a thicker material, but they're double layered and while they're thick, they tear a lot easier than my first box did.

  • @Xeemix
    @Xeemix Před rokem +13

    I never thought I'd see a comparison that'd actually affect my future purchasing decisions, always enjoyed the videos, great stuff as usual!

  • @oceancon
    @oceancon Před rokem +21

    I happen to keep three thicknesses of gloves in my shop; 5, 7 and 9 depending on what I'm working on. I use the 5 for most light duty work and the tactile sensation is good. The 9 is saved for hard or nasty work and usually hold up well. Thanks for the great video!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +2

      You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.

  • @lukemeck
    @lukemeck Před rokem +47

    My man, Todd, I appreciate your hard work and effort to show tried and true methods to find the best! Have you considered testing chemical cleaners like Krud Kutter or simple green? Would love to see which ones truly do the job with difficult greases!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +12

      Thank you for the video idea!

    • @yeeaahBUDDY
      @yeeaahBUDDY Před rokem +1

      Great idea!

    • @rico76
      @rico76 Před rokem

      Personally used Venom Steel for years with most consumer grade chemicals from degreaser, acetone, lubricants, and undiluted bleach to commercial/lab grade alcohol, strong acid degreaser, and various stripping agents all without issue. Any dangerous skin melting stuff I did have heavy rubber (or specific recommended type) gloves over my regular venoms though.

    • @N.A.J.
      @N.A.J. Před rokem

      Great suggestion. I’d love to see which chemical does best at removing oil stains from concrete.
      If you watch this channel, you likely have that issue.

  • @4Stanzas
    @4Stanzas Před rokem +1

    I bought the Comfy gloves and they're great. This channel is so helpful. Thanks, Project Farm.

  • @mainelife6432
    @mainelife6432 Před rokem +46

    I have a little game I play every week. Once I hear what you are testing, I hit pause...then try to come up with 5 ways you test the item. My best week was 3 tests correct. I only came up with 2 tests this week. Todd, you continue to amaze me with your creativity!

    • @gus473
      @gus473 Před rokem

      A few cool new rigs today! 👍🏼😎✌🏼

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem

      Cool game! Thanks for sharing!

  • @TheZalmon
    @TheZalmon Před rokem +66

    I imagine the Hardy 9mil from Harbor Freight would perform very well.
    And when on sale you can get a box of them for $10
    They’re amazing for auto work, I end up reusing them quite often.

    • @audinthusiast3750
      @audinthusiast3750 Před rokem +5

      Beat me to it, I was going to say they are the best so far, I work on cars for a living and everything else just doesn’t hold up

    • @ColonelK0rn1
      @ColonelK0rn1 Před rokem +3

      That's great to hear about HF gloves. I'm tired of breaking gloves as soon as I put them on and try to snug them up to my fingertips. I've tried a lot of brands, but haven't tried the Hardy brand. Thanks for commenting, otherwise I wouldn't have considered them

    • @dgymnast6473
      @dgymnast6473 Před rokem +6

      I was gonna say the 9 mil HF are my goto. The 7 mil gloves did well in the test for the price. I know the 9 mil would have done better.

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 Před rokem +8

      The HF 9 mil gloves pre-pandemic were so much better than they are now. I used to be able to re-use them 3 or 4 times before they ripped. Now they cost more, and they seem to rip way easier, and I find myself using 2 sets for one job, instead of one set for 2 or 3 days. If you hold them up to light now, you can see light through them. I'm pretty sure the old ones were a lot thicker and you couldn't see nearly as much light through them.

    • @jamesschmidt1120
      @jamesschmidt1120 Před rokem +2

      I would have to disagree. They are pretty prone to tearing and will rip easily if you catch an edge somewhere, and their abrasion resistance is not great. I’ve tried using them while cleaning with a scotch brite and in no time at all there are holes in the fingers. I’ve used glove works with better results but I’m sure there is a product that will outlast them both

  • @luislam6259
    @luislam6259 Před rokem

    Thank you so much for this Todd! Before I buy anything, I check to see if you have done a video on it. As always your attention to detail and thorough review have helped me make a wise choice. God bless you, thank you for the good work!

  • @elizabethvaux4420
    @elizabethvaux4420 Před rokem +8

    I've been using Venom Steel gloves for work and I honestly am happy to see that it's getting the attention it deserves! I totally agree w/ having two types of gloves (one heavy duty, one for fine motor skills) btw :)

  • @joeyjoey4280
    @joeyjoey4280 Před rokem +55

    Great video! When I was maintenance in oil field I would carry ravens or venoms, maybe hardy gloves but they got super slippery with oil exposure. And we changed oil filters regularly, the venoms and ravens would keep good grip.

    • @clafournaise
      @clafournaise Před rokem +6

      This would be a GREAT test! Which gloves are best when doing a messy engine oil change?

    • @davefeil1522
      @davefeil1522 Před rokem +5

      @@clafournaise I've always used Hardy 5mil since they're dirt cheap, and just throw them away after they got dirty

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +9

      Thanks for sharing.

  • @troytrecek6041
    @troytrecek6041 Před rokem +39

    Hi Todd! I really appreciate the effort you expend to do fair, accurate testing. I have a suggestion for you. A lot of people have ATVs and UTV’s for farm and recreation. Most have foam air filters. The “experts“ suggest using special expensive foam filter oil. We used to use regular engine motor oil. Some suggest bar and chain oil would work because it is much tackier than motor oil. Even heard 80w-90 oil might adhere better than motor oil. I think this would be of interest to lawn mower owners as well. Please consider. Keep up the great work!

    • @benbawden3589
      @benbawden3589 Před rokem +1

      I don’t really know if this is what your asking about, but he has a 26 video playlist exclusively on different kinds of motor oil which may be what you’re describing. Idk much about oil so sorry if that is unrelated

    • @kde5fan737
      @kde5fan737 Před rokem +2

      If you want tacky oil get some castor oil! I'm guessing this might be what is used for bar oil, possibly sulfonated castor oil b/c of the red tint. They both have a very high smoke point (I think the highest of any naturally occurring plant based oil..). You can find high quality castor oil at soap making supply shops for $18-25/gal IIRC.

    • @ehkale6789
      @ehkale6789 Před rokem

      I would think the filter would have more of a significant role in doing its job than the oil placed on it, I always thought the oil was only there to help the filter out with picking up really fine particulates, so as long as it lingers and doesn’t come off or remove itself in someway it should all do the same right? We used to just throw any old oil on our dirt bike air filters. Although I guess it doesn’t matter really if said filter is serviced fairly often.

    • @jensenmiller6410
      @jensenmiller6410 Před rokem

      @@benbawden3589 He talking about air filter oil which is different from motor oil. "Stickyness" is the name of the game for air filter oil along with washability and potentially carrying capacity but that last one might be depended on the filter media more than anything.

  • @yaroeb9136
    @yaroeb9136 Před rokem +1

    I love your continued improvement in processes and displaying of the info. Great work man

  • @jenarg79
    @jenarg79 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you! This was brilliant! Couldn't imagine a more apt comparison to help me make a choice between all of them, given the plethora of options! And am I very grateful that you've identified the one that's come out on top 🙏

  • @markusaurelius4015
    @markusaurelius4015 Před rokem +46

    Hey Project Farm. Great content as always.
    Video idea:
    I would love to see how you store and organize your tools or what you would recommend. As I collect more and more I’m starting to get cluttered and I’m sure everyone else would love to see a video on this topic somehow!

  • @mikeb.2166
    @mikeb.2166 Před rokem +35

    As always, these reviews are great and honestly the benchmark if you are considering ant new product! Thank you PF for taking the time to make these for the community! My only feedback for PF is that IMO there are 3 brands that should always be considered (if available): Kirkland (Costco), ICON (Harbor Freight high end), and the new Amazon Denali (new for some tools) as these are commonly available to most folks.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +3

      Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

    • @Inbal_Feuchtwanger
      @Inbal_Feuchtwanger Před 5 měsíci

      I usually get the Kirkland brand at Costco. They are decent quality, better than a lot of the ones ive tried on Amazon for around the $10 for 100 range. Except the Costco gloves are $28 for 400. For tasks around chemicals or automotive I just double them up and they last quite a while, and compared to the more expensive gloves you are still saving money

  • @acm_1028
    @acm_1028 Před rokem

    Thank you for putting so much work into these videos

  • @JayHutchG
    @JayHutchG Před rokem +1

    Thank You PF for taking the time to film these vid's! Funny - I get so pleased with myself when one of your test vids confirm the stuff I like and use. Conversely I have changed over to many items you have torture tested. I love the creative ways you test to be able to simulate real life use - like these gloves. In case you were wondering I keep Venom Steels around for for working on tougher stuff or chemicals. Use the cheapo Harbor Freight's for everything else. Learned the hard way that the Hardy's don't like acetone. My fingers don't like it either.

  • @ghod666
    @ghod666 Před rokem +56

    Never thought about this being a factor when buying gloves. Great comparison and review. What about window tint for a new video? How much do they protect from the sun, how much temp difference under direct sunlight, scratch resistance, and overall tear strength. The cost of the tints that we get offered at local shops are quite expensive compared to Walmart and AutoZone brands.

  • @ucitymetalhead
    @ucitymetalhead Před rokem +10

    I need to send this to my bosses so they stop buying the insta-break brands.

  • @StopBeingEmo
    @StopBeingEmo Před rokem +1

    Extremely helpful! After going through boxes of gloves that rip / tear went with you recommendations. Looking forward to trying them out!

  • @douglasgarland2298
    @douglasgarland2298 Před rokem

    Your Series of tests are a life and money saver, Thank you so much.

  • @dougrobinson8602
    @dougrobinson8602 Před rokem +50

    I've been asking for this test for a while. I sincerely appreciate your effort. Thank you for making future glove purchasing easier. Typically, I double glove myself, because when a glove gives up and my hands are sweaty, it's very difficult to get another glove on. So tactile feel is important to me since I'm trying to feel through two layers. Awesome test! It's always just as interesting to see what tests you come up with as it is to see the results!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +5

      Thanks so much! Thanks for suggesting this video idea!

    • @janeblogs324
      @janeblogs324 Před rokem +3

      I wish you had an email list warning us of future tests asking for our suggestions on how to conduct each test.
      13:39 you need to test vapour resistance not liquid. I use nitrile gloves while automotive painting.
      The paint thinners are toluene, xylene, iso-cyanides. You don't get "wet" through the gloves, but if you sniff your fingers after work you can tell you were being exposed and poisoned the whole time.
      Your fingers/skin also drys out and crack even though you never got wet. Basically the vapour particles are much smaller than the liquid so it passes through the glove.
      I'm still looking for quality gloves.

    • @jed-henrywitkowski6470
      @jed-henrywitkowski6470 Před rokem

      Unless I'm working with electronics and painting, I put a dusting of anti-MonkeyButt powder in my gloves.

    • @joiion913
      @joiion913 Před rokem

      Wear fabric gloves over your nitrile gloves.

  • @genericinternetperson
    @genericinternetperson Před rokem +51

    Grease Monkey really seems like a good deal, especially as the name implies it will be covered in grease anyway in automotive work, so grip strength becomes poor regardless of what you're wearing. Makes total sense that it wasn't a priority. Great video as usual!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +7

      Thank you!

    • @MTMinfiniti
      @MTMinfiniti Před rokem

      It’s not a good deal the brand is very very unconsistent with her quality. You’ll see if you buy them

  • @jonathantolentino5462

    Great video as always! Such excellent tests for products!

  • @Howie672
    @Howie672 Před rokem

    You do great videos, love the fast paced info. Thanks

  • @chapinsolitario1980
    @chapinsolitario1980 Před rokem +5

    Good day everyone!!!!

  • @calebcarty8552
    @calebcarty8552 Před rokem +7

    I don’t know why I enjoyed the finger stretch so much.
    I love how thorough your tests are! Great work as always!

  • @TheRealToejam2022
    @TheRealToejam2022 Před rokem

    I’m impressed that you actually figured out all those different test for some gloves..awesome work as always

  • @bryankasper6916
    @bryankasper6916 Před rokem +3

    This video was absolutely incredible, thank you so much for the time/money/effort it took to make this. I was specifically looking for diamond grip gloves and ASTRO grip gloves, these are popular near me, actually sold at the local autozone as well. Would love to see these 2 edited in to the video possibly! Thank you again! This is an amazing video.

  • @davidcarlson4533
    @davidcarlson4533 Před rokem +11

    I respect you for coming up with unique tests that are meaningful. I'm sure you spend hours putting together procedures which work to test that we never see, so thank you.

  • @tjtobin86
    @tjtobin86 Před rokem +95

    I switched to the Venom Steel about a year ago after going through a ton of harbor freight boxes. I haven't gone back as they have been the best I've ever used. Side note, these are very good to use when field dressing a deer (obscure I know) because little rough bone bits won't tear them.

    • @chethaynes5802
      @chethaynes5802 Před rokem +4

      Not Obscure IMHO

    • @bobbygetsbanned6049
      @bobbygetsbanned6049 Před rokem +5

      @@chethaynes5802 Not obscure at all but using shop gloves for food processing is pretty questionable since they have no reason to be sterilize or sanitized.

    • @colbywood1785
      @colbywood1785 Před rokem +3

      I started using them about 2 years ago when a client I was working for brought them to me and insisted I wear gloves for fiberglass insulation. I never looked back either. They were so comfortable and durable I was sold and have a box in every vehicle, on every job site, and a small stockpile in the basement 😂😂

    • @rudysu3908
      @rudysu3908 Před rokem

      obscured! LoL not even a real man knows how to field dress a game!

    • @ringtyler
      @ringtyler Před rokem +2

      I've used them for the longest time. I do miss the pre pandemic price though.

  • @ryanw1112
    @ryanw1112 Před rokem +1

    You continue to be my go-to when I need to buy a new product. I love watching your channel as a mechanic with an engineering background. Keep up the great work!

  • @Sam590ss
    @Sam590ss Před rokem

    I love your videos! Thank you for helping me make my garage more reliable and efficient. Your work is greatly appreciated.

  • @dissaver
    @dissaver Před rokem +18

    The best gloves I've found are microflex safegrip latex gloves. They have 11 Mil palm thickness, 14 Mil finger thickness, and long cuffs... They are extremely durable and comfortable... But expensive at around $25 for a box of 50

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +3

      Thank you!

    • @wtbman
      @wtbman Před rokem

      Came here to say this. Microflex Diamond Grip MF-300 is the exact model. In a case of 1000 they cost $.14 each which is not bad. They used to sell them at Autozone.

  • @joshuaallen4739
    @joshuaallen4739 Před rokem +54

    It's hard to beat the Hardy gloves for the price at HF, especially when the boxes go on sale from $10 box to $6 box on parking lot sales. Great video. I tested it lol.

    • @09FLTRMM77
      @09FLTRMM77 Před rokem

      Agreed! Sometimes they run them on Inside Track Club sales too.

    • @buildingsalvage
      @buildingsalvage Před rokem

      Yeah decent performance at 1/2 - 1/3 the cost of the premium gloves. Hard to pass up

    • @wtmayhew
      @wtmayhew Před rokem

      HF Hardy Nitrile are one of my go-to gloves, or I get surplus hospital gloves at the local flea market. It always seems to take a few pairs to get through a project anyway- either they tear or get full of sweat, so not much is gained by going with expensive.

    • @bobbygetsbanned6049
      @bobbygetsbanned6049 Před rokem

      They are good but at least in my area they prices went way up since COVID. They are $20+ a box last time I looked, not sure of the sale price.

    • @MD-gk4uh
      @MD-gk4uh Před rokem

      I couldn't find anything better for mechanic work then the HB 10 MIL ones. WAY better then 7 MIL. Far more than the 3 MIL difference would suggest. I did some BoN math and they would be top 3 in his chart! Take into account the price and sometimes huge discounts (I only buy ones a year on those discount days) and its a no brainier !

  • @joshuaseeger4402
    @joshuaseeger4402 Před rokem

    Great video thanks for all the product testing! You're one of the best CZcamsrs on this platform. Please test sockets next!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +1

      Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @Macros1971
    @Macros1971 Před 5 měsíci +3

    This was a great test and useful to the general public, as well as people doing hands on work. Thanks!

  • @murrayshekelberg9754
    @murrayshekelberg9754 Před rokem +15

    Always love when the new Project Farm video comes out. Used to work in a fleet shop and ran the fuel island before that and learned the value of getting quality gloves. I have used those Venom Steel gloves before and man are they tough.

  • @UtahDarkHorse
    @UtahDarkHorse Před rokem +47

    Thank you for continuing to bring thorough, topical videos. I'm sure it's a lot of research and work for you. I really appreciate all you do and look forward to many more. Thanks for sharing 😊

  • @MrSlayer512
    @MrSlayer512 Před rokem

    Love your videos, thanks for the time, effort and quality of your work

  • @staceyward777
    @staceyward777 Před rokem

    Some of the most creative (but relevant) testing I've see you come up with yet. Bravo, sir!

  • @drmarkintexas-400
    @drmarkintexas-400 Před rokem +12

    🏆🏆🏆👍🇺🇲🙏
    Exposure to latex causes the immune system to make IgE (immunoglobulin E) antibodies. These antibodies cause symptoms of an allergic reaction. IgE-mediated latex allergies can be life-threatening. Cell-mediated contact dermatitis (type IV): This allergy causes skin irritation and inflammation (contact dermatitis).
    Thank you for sharing

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +1

      Great information! Thank you for providing this information!!

  • @doodlequick
    @doodlequick Před rokem +27

    Great video, thank you for all of the research you do - it really helps!
    One suggestion I had - when displaying prices in charts / tables, could you also include a normalized price (e.g. price per glove / price per 100 etc?) Some of the boxes in the video had odd glove counts (like Safeskin at 40 or Hardy 7 mil at 50), so at a glance the Safeskin looks to be significantly cheaper than some of the other gloves when they're actually more expensive on a per glove basis.
    Thanks again! Your channel is one of the few I really value when it comes to trying to form opinions on brands / products.

  • @Golddude08
    @Golddude08 Před 2 měsíci

    Great testing, I enjoyed the video and also making informed decisions on what gloves to get

  • @Tortuga89R
    @Tortuga89R Před rokem +1

    Great info sir! Very well done and useful information!

  • @BBlueBBasterd
    @BBlueBBasterd Před rokem +4

    I love this channel, I often find that you test properties of the tools I wouldn't even have thought of comparing, very impressive.
    As for these gloves, I tend to find them an absolute pain to work with and I hugely appreciate you taking the time to find the best ones, this should help a lot!

  • @realPinkfong
    @realPinkfong Před rokem +11

    Another great video, one of the most helpful yet! Thank you, man; I have been subscribed for years and have watched every one of your videos. Keep up the great work, buddy. I'm genuinely so happy for you and your family that you were able to turn this into a way to make money by helping people make better and more informed decisions. You're making a difference; I really appreciate the time you've taken to make these great videos.

  • @jeremybeitler5066
    @jeremybeitler5066 Před rokem +7

    As a long time fan of the exact GloveWorks HD green gloves tested, I use them quite a bit. A box typically lasts me about a month, give or take. So I typically go through a case per year. Your test video has influenced my next case purchase to be the Venom Steel. Thank you!

  • @jerrbear1017
    @jerrbear1017 Před 11 měsíci

    I fell into the rabbit hole and in binge watching all your vids
    I love it I’ve been working as an alarm installer but recently got into school to be an A&P
    Project Farm you have helped me make the best tool buying decisions for when I was broke and now to where I have money to afford the big boys. Thank you!!!!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před 11 měsíci +1

      You are welcome! Congratulations on your schooling to become an A&P!

  • @Bradimus1
    @Bradimus1 Před rokem +5

    I'm not surprised on those Venom Steel. I stumbled across those years ago and love them.

    • @icanreadthebible7561
      @icanreadthebible7561 Před rokem

      Likewise. I can usually use a pair several times, rather than once and dispose with cheaper gloves. Some cheap ones tear just trying to pull them on.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem

      Impressive gloves!

    • @Bradimus1
      @Bradimus1 Před rokem

      @@icanreadthebible7561 I use them from everything to cooking, medical care for the kid, to painting and engine work. Reliable.

  • @permaculture3
    @permaculture3 Před rokem +3

    I’ve been using the same gloves for so long, I didn’t think about other brands. Thanks for another great video! Looking forward to trying the two you suggested. Thank you!!!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem

      You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

  • @andrewsmith9174
    @andrewsmith9174 Před rokem +7

    Excellent work and I love your test jigs. Those “out of the box thinking” designs intrigue me as much as the results.

  • @sirprintzalot3194
    @sirprintzalot3194 Před rokem

    Great Video!! Thanks for testing this one out. I never could find a decent pair of shop gloves. Now I know which ones to go to! I'm definitely going to try the venom steel brand. Keep up the great work!

  • @volvo09
    @volvo09 Před rokem +5

    always nailing the content! this is another great test, havent even finished yet!

  • @renderedpixels4300
    @renderedpixels4300 Před rokem +26

    looking forward to the LTT screwdriver test! Do you already have a video of testing of other ratcheting screwdrivers, if so will you retest them or just refer back to it (assuming it exists)? Love your channel!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +31

      This will be the first test. 14 brands. It'll probably be the most technical test I've ever done to validate both precision and efficiency. The testing is still underway but the video will definitely be ready in 1 week. Thanks again!

    • @danielpaquette1597
      @danielpaquette1597 Před rokem

      @@ProjectFarm I hope you include the Williams WRS-1 screwdriver, it is a great value.

  • @rosgamer_original
    @rosgamer_original Před rokem

    Great content as always PF! Thanks!

  • @klinfield
    @klinfield Před rokem

    Thank you for your thorough reviews!

  • @leebarker539
    @leebarker539 Před rokem +27

    Fascinating as always. My grip gripe is the palm splitting and you covered that brilliantly. Sorry it was hard on your hand.
    I keep a container of baby powder handy. When a glove fails and my hands are a bit sweaty, a sprinkle of that stuff and the new glove goes on easy.
    A new video from PF always gets the day going in a positive way!

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +4

      Thanks so much!

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 Před rokem +2

      Yeah...I always have a little container of powder on hand for that same purpose....sweaty hands and nitrile gloves dont mix well....lol

    • @AxGryndr
      @AxGryndr Před rokem +1

      I prefer corn starch for this because some baby powders have other chemicals for things like diaper rash.

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 Před rokem

      @@AxGryndr ....sure....go right ahead and use that GMO corn starch and let it absorb into your skin and poison you even more than all the rest of the stuff out there already poisoning you.
      And you CAN get just plain 'talc' if you LOOK for it....been used for hundreds of years, never any GMO.

  • @gunner6639
    @gunner6639 Před rokem +5

    I just bought the grease monkey last week! I'm glad I did now! Thanks again for all you do for us!!

  • @aisforannihilation1662

    Excellent review & tests. Thank u so much

  • @alansexton7
    @alansexton7 Před rokem

    Thanks for the heads up on hundreds of products!!

  • @thegingineer0
    @thegingineer0 Před rokem +22

    I typically use the 3Mil hardy for work with resins where I expect them to be thrown away immediately after, but for when I have to deal with nasty stuff like circuit board etchant where a failure can cause immediate burns, I sprung for the Venom Steel rather than the black hardy. Glad to see I'm getting my money's worth.

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +4

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @retromodernart4426
      @retromodernart4426 Před rokem +2

      I also like the Venom, they're reusable at least 5 times for a moderate task like bicycle mechanics and maintenance. I just let them stay inside-out after use to dry out from the sweat.

    • @TheRealSykx
      @TheRealSykx Před rokem

      you can always layer gloves to protect against chemical breakthrough - highly recommend cross checking the breakthrough times for chemicals you'll be exposed to and layering up as needed. Concentrated nitric acid is particularly nasty with breakthrough of 5mil nitrile in

    • @randomschittz9461
      @randomschittz9461 Před rokem

      Do the Hardy work good with polyester resin?

    • @TheRealSykx
      @TheRealSykx Před rokem

      @@randomschittz9461 find your resin SDS for the chemical composition and compare it to the gloves chemical compatibility table

  • @maritimesoul
    @maritimesoul Před rokem +5

    If there is ever a part 2 to this work gloves series I'd love to see the finger grip test done with the gloves covered in oil as well, I came from aerospace and some gloves were very tacky dry but SUPER slippery when the tiniest bit of oil got on them. I found a great pair eventually that had great grip properties dry and wet, that gave me 6 years in the industry without a single dropped part. :)

    • @ProjectFarm
      @ProjectFarm  Před rokem +1

      Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @tommyj7087
      @tommyj7087 Před rokem +1

      Can you provide the brand of these gloves?

    • @maritimesoul
      @maritimesoul Před rokem

      @@tommyj7087 I've been out of that industry since c19, I just can't recall the brand anymore but I know I have some pairs kicking around, I'll see if I can find out for you

  • @catog9991
    @catog9991 Před rokem

    Thanks for the review. As always you are so thorough, in my view not many can compete with the "completeness" of how you test, thanks.

  • @OmarJuvera
    @OmarJuvera Před rokem +4

    I went ahead and tried your recommendation for the Greasy Monkey gloves. These ARE a true upgrade to my Harbor Freight gloves FOR SURE.
    JUST LIKE YOU SAID and TRUE to your review! The tactile feel and fit IS GREAT and they DO take a beating before ripping.
    My Harbor Freight gloves would rip before I even began to work lol. Just gave away the whole box.
    These Greasy Monkey gloves are now my favorite gloves. THANK YOU!!!!
    BTW, I also am trying your E3 sparkplug recommendation (older video) this week for my scheduled maintenance =)

  • @holtrussell
    @holtrussell Před rokem +4

    Todd, thanks for the review! I honestly look forward to every Sunday in anticipation of your review. I don’t know how you keep the pace up. I’d hate to ask, but if I had to guess, I imagine you have easily over 70 hours invested into each completed review not to mention the cost of the test subject and testing tools you use. I hope you’re very well compensated given your huge investment in both time and materials! Thanks again!

  • @derrincalk9579
    @derrincalk9579 Před rokem

    Your level of thoroughness is as refreshing as it is impressive and helpful 👌

  • @timothyandrewgalable
    @timothyandrewgalable Před rokem

    Awesome as always!!! Love your videos always watch em before I buy

  • @williamcabral1615
    @williamcabral1615 Před 6 měsíci +1

    As a heavy duty diesel mechanic for 15yrs picking a Good glove always seems like a challenge cause it seems like the quality control and consistency is low. Cause when u think u found a good one the next few boxs seem vastly different then the good one. But once again ur videos have helped me determine which products to pick and if not which one to go with they always inform me on which ones not to go with keep up the solid work ur doing the work/test the working class wants and needs got a new membership subscription from me for sure

  • @CAHENRIKSEN
    @CAHENRIKSEN Před rokem +6

    I really like the venom steel. Thank you for doing the testing and confirming I have been making the right choice. I love your channel. Whenever someone is trying to decide on a product that is a category you have tested I point them in your direction.

  • @Genesis.1-1
    @Genesis.1-1 Před rokem +4

    I've used Grease Monkey gloves for a the past few years. They're pretty good all around gloves at a decent price. I've never had liquid get through while in use, but the harshest liquid I'm exposed to is gas and 50:1 mix. I do get about 100% tearing when using my fingers to screw nuts/bolts in/out. As always a thorough and well done video.

  • @jdkomododragon
    @jdkomododragon Před rokem

    Been looking forward to this one for a long time. Thanks!!

  • @colmanbaldwinson9091
    @colmanbaldwinson9091 Před rokem +3

    What i like a lot about your tests is that they allow you to determine which glove is best for your specific needs depending on what qualities you value

  • @FUTubeish
    @FUTubeish Před rokem +18

    I've bought those Silver Backs from the orange store twice in the last 8 months and each time they had the exact same issue as you described, making them functionally worthless. Even worse, if you continue to dig through the box some have fingers melted together or other various obvious QC issues. The only consistent item is that literally every single pair has a QC issue. It's so bad it's almost like they are purposefully broken, like the box is just the discards from another manufacturer.
    The fact these are so blatantly broken and a scam blows my mind they are still being stocked on shelves. Both times I returned them immediately and the employees were just as shocked at the quality as me.