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You should show the finished lighting situation…we are emotionally invested now lol
Yeah, I want to know the before and after!
It's on his instagram
@@jjsjeffjjsjeff But a lot of us aren't on Instagram. If he posts a video about the project here, he should post how the project turned out here.
Yeah wtf Bob how are you not going to show the finished product??
@@bohmsawThe lighting wasnt the product, the problem solving was.
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. That said, I really wanted to see it finished too.. 😥
First thing i thought: Why do you not just cheap angle brackets from the hardware store like everyone uses?
10 minutes later: He ends up by using angle brackets with a slot, just 3d printed.... 😅
I understand that you want to educate about 3d modeling and printing. But this could be so much easier if you used just some scrap wood to make a jig and cheap metal angle brackets from the hardware store.
And you do not even share the end result...
Way overly complex solution for such a simple problem; cannot even recommend for the problem solving aspect.
Love this channel but this was all just ridiculously overcomplicated and unnecessary
This did seem like a solution in search of a problem
I totally agree... Work smart bob, not hard
Incredibly overkill solution for something that could have been dealt with in a much quicker way.
The iteration for finding the light placement I guess was alright, but after that I feel like a tape measure, a spacer block, and some pocket screws would have had those lights up in an afternoon. Measure each bay location for fitment (or go generic like with the orange brackets and use a shim in for gaps), cut, drill pockets, attach light bracket, use a spacer block for height placement, and pocket screw it to the joists.
(Could have screwed small scrap wood strips to make the height in each bay and then attach the light mounts above them.)
(Could have made spacer blocks fixed to the top of each lamp and then pocket screwed into the subfloor)
(Could have made subassemblies that held the lamps at the right height, but were a "U" shape that attached to the bottoms of the joists)
(Cold have invented an antigravity bracket that held the lamps where you need them without any hardware at all)
I'm always fascinated by how some people problem solve, sometimes getting stuck on one solution or using a specific method that's way less efficient than they realize.
How much time did it take out of your life to write this novel of a condescending comment?
I had the same thought. I get they are trying to show problem solving, but this felt a bit like a solution searching for a problem. I still appreciate the content though!
agree with you 💯 , the reason why he do anything is to have a long video to get paid, i refuse to believe that he couldn’t find an idea like yours to finish it up quickly and efficiently but i guess there wasn’t going to make 3 minutes video by ghat , and here on youtube money talks they over complicating stuff so that they can have it in video up to 10 minutes long or longer so yhat they can have the sponsor add in the middle and the youtube ads . in my opinion they are trash 🗑️
interesting to see your process, still not sure why the brackets are better than a block of wood though.
Thank you! I realize this video was about "problem solving". But anyone with a little experience in carpentry or woodworking would have had those lights up in 3 or 4 hours using just good ole fashioned pine. Why reinvent the wheel on something nobody is going to see anyway?
As I understood, it could also be done and would serve the purpose, but the video was more about problem solving, the process was the focus instead of the result. I also believe maybe he wanted to use more the 3d printer and expand his knowledge. as a consequence, simple ideas can be overlooked
You could use small chains with eyelets to attach them and use hooks to adjust the heights....simple and easy 😂 wouldn't be as much fun to watch you make it happen though.
Exactly. He did a great job but it IS overcomplicated. Hang a chain in a V from the top of each rafter to avoid drilling into subfloor above, suspend light from center. Adjust length of chain to set height.
This! THIS IS THE WAY.
Exactly this! ☝️As I was watching the video I kept thinking “just keep it simple and use the chains with hooks”
Thanks Bob! I know you guys weren't sure videos about solving problems were going to be useful, but I think they are. This is what I spend most of my time doing. Also, my 3D printer has been super useful when it comes to solving problems.
I noticed a little horizontal banding in your last shot. I’m not sure if that’s an issue with the new lights or the old lights. A lower shutter speed might solve that.
Also, have you considered painting the joists and ceiling white to bounce and diffuse more light? Maybe even add some kind of diffusing material between the joists to soften and even things out?
That's a nice and effective solution, but making such an easy problem that complicated and in depth is why I can't work with engineers lol. Looking forward to seeing your next video with the new lights, and seeing how much (hopefully better) different it looks with the hidden lights.
As an engineer myself, I couldn't agree more. This was so unnecessarily over complicated. Iterations are common when solving complicated problems, but hanging lights? This is not that complicated.
Haha, this is a classic example of overengineering XD great solution, really nice topic about problem solving, but way more complicated than necessary 😛
Agree
we didn’t get the final result/reveal of the entire workshop with the new lights
I like the final bracket design. What I had in mind was Adjustable shelf pins, you could drill corrisponding holes in the joists and used the pins, and to keep the board in place either a pin on the top or a screw. That final bracket design also could be made using 2 pieces of wood for those who don't have a 3d printer.
Hold up, all that and we didn't even get to see the finished product or before and after? Still a good video with some great ideas
Just a heads up, I’ve used those lights in my shop and they do not last. I had to replace 25% of them during the first year. Really enjoy your videos and thanks
Watching the channel for the first time in a few years, what happened to having Josh behind the camera? The static camera work is a throwback to the earliest days of the channel. Loving the problem solving videos
I've been wondering where Josh and the rest of the crew have been as it's been awhile since we've seen them. I hope all is OK?
I agree, I was going to make the same comments. Where's the other staff and what happened to their off site office space?
They all quit a few months ago.
They all moved on to other things, but Bob also talked on the podcast about the increased level of stress he'd been under as the channel expanded to produce and grow was taking its toll, so I think it was a mutual understanding from everyone that it was best for his mental health. They are all still friends. Forby still works for him though!
Glad he finally got there with a practical solution. Those first couple of attempts were ridiculously over complicated for what could have been resolved with ledger and some brad nails
Exactly what I was thinking. And to find the height, he didn’t need that adjustable bracket. Just eyeball out from where the camper is x - you could clearly see the right height from the camera footage.
But he's a content maker - a trip to a local hardware store for 64 angle brackets would not get many views and even less comments.
In this episode, Bob invents an L bracket 😂
4 pockets screws on a 2x4 and he would have been done before finishing the first prototype….
But that would be boring😂
Yes there are a lot of possible solutions. And it was fun to watch your process. For me since I don’t have a 3D printer (long range goal). I used the chains that came with the lights I chose ro adjust their placement.
So what was the end result? We didn’t get to see all the lights in place!
The one problem with having all the tools is sometimes you spend more time messing around programming and setting up a machine when definitely you could bandsaw those parts out of 3/4 ply in under an hour with paper templates. They don't need high precision.
But some times the project is the product, and you just wanna have fun designing things.
I've not been watching ILTMS for a while and I'm surprised to see only Bob in the videos. What happened to Josh & Co? Thanks for the cool content as always ♥
I’ve been wondering the same thing
Maybe paint all the area with lights white to increase the brightness from reflection
Maybe a gray for gray scale camera magicness? I don't know much but I think that is a thing, right?
A thought I had on top of that is to install a diffusion layer on the bottom of the joists so the whole ceiling becomes a solid white light panel
Unbelievably complicated solution to a very basic problem. Screw 2 cleats in parallel to the joists at the required height and then screw board into each cleat. Mount lights onto board. Done! No need to take a week to model brackets on a $5000 3-d printer!
Like I said, 1000 ways to skin a cat 🤷🏻♂️
But what’s the required height?
Great solution at the end. I always love the beauty found in simplicity.
I've struggled with similar joist lighting, too low and I would be blinded, too high and I lost light. What really helped was covering everything with a cheap high gloss white paint. Much brighter, and as a bonus was easier to clean.
Eyebolts with S hooks and Jack chain. Been used in commercial applications for years. No reason this wouldn’t be a simple solution. Just modify it with your brackets on a piece of wood with a couple of eyebolts on that to connect the Jack chain to.
Love the walk through of your process! The way you've set this up I think will make it very relatable for people on other situations, not just hanging lights in a garage (although that was a really ingenious way of doing it!).
Another solution (if one doesn't have a printer) could be to pocket hole your mounting board to the joist. You could cut down a couple scrap blocks to the depth you want, quick clamp them in place, adjust until the height until you're happy, and drive the pocket screws in.
I work out of a 3-car tandem garage which is finished with drywall, but no insulation. When the builder built the house, they didn’t do so thinking some people might use it as a shop. Anyway, there were only two 2-light florescent lights mounted on the ceiling. One provided light for the 2-car portion of the garage and the other was over the tandem portion. After using this lighting for several years, I finally bought several LED lights that looked very similar to the original florescent lights and hung them up. Rather that plug in the lights to each other, I cut off the plugs and hard wired them using aluminum electric tubing as I think it looked better. What a difference! I can’t believe I worked with only two florescent lights those years. It’s well worth upgrading your lighting! It should be the first thing you do in your shop!
I love this type of video. The way that you approach solving problems and learning new skills is why I keep coming back. So, this format which puts that on display is perfect. Thank you. Also I just got my first 3d printer, inspired in part by you so getting more ideas of how to use it is great.
Add white paint if you want better control over the color temperature of the light in your shop. The added wood-color may be topical, but probably not desirable.
Why not just hang the light from a chain that way you can adjust the chain to be longer or shorter?
I love watching just about anything you put out, so I do hope you do more of these types of videos. Problem solving, fun projects, home improvement, honestly it's all fun, and it makes me feel empowered.
...Even as I'm just sitting at my desk and unable to do things right now :P
Dude you are killing me! Where is the final reveal? We got "the pledge", "the turn" but not "the prestige."
When you presented the problem , my first thought was metal right angle brackets from Home Depot/lowes. Glad to see that your iteration ended back to that
Thank you for showing the process - I like what you came up with!
Will you hard wire the lights so you don’t have to turn them on/off individually?
I like to say “there’s more than one way around the barn “ 😊 I’m sorry you were sick - glad you’re feeling better
I really wish you had shown the end result. I am really worried about the refresh rate of the lighting you purchased. You can see in the clips where you have the lighting turned on that it doesn't match the frame rate you were filming at. Hopefully the end result looks great on camera!
I'm worried about the same thing. It was really obvious in the shot of the single light, and it was easy to notice in the final shots as well.
You have the cleanest basement joist area I've seen.
I've been to new houses with dirtier basement joist areas.
Thanks for walking us through the design process. While it sucks that you got sick, I guess it goes to show that stepping back from the problem can sometimes give you the "eureka" moment that you were looking for.
My desire to procrastinate frequently leads to me coming up with a better solution than my original, just takes longer
Same!@@wojtek-33
I'm still blown away by 3D printing. And the brain you have to have to use to effectively is pretty incredible too.
Its really interesting to see the process and the iterations. I was thinking pocket holes in the plank but reading some of the other comments it's obvious there are lots of different approaches. What I observed though was that once you started down the 3D printed and CAD route it focused you in on improving that and stopped you looking at alternatives. You never got to chains or off the shelf hardware brackets. It may be down to your skills with those tools and the enjoyment of making the perfect attachment though which is part of the fun. The final brackets did look really good so you will enjoy seeing them now and again and feeling the satisfaction of a job well done. :)
Hey, Bob, I like this type of video. Also, while I am NOT asking/wanting/needing specifics (especially personal stuff) but I have been wondering a lot lately why you seem to be running solo and almost never at the new shop/store. Is Josh still around? are the other people still around? again, dont need to get into peoples lives and all that, just a basic overview would be appreciated!
I've noticed the same thing lately. Hope things are all good for Bob and the rest of the team.
I’ve been wondering the same thing but I don’t think any of his views know anything.
Apparently all the others have quit.
He has a podcast with Jimmy Diresta and David Picciuto where they talk about the inner workings of their channesl and personal life. Its called Making it.
To answer your question "I like to make stuff" basically restructured where its only Bob and a video editor, everyone else got new jobs. They are still friends just not working for Bob anymore.
@@jessebayon Which video is it?
I really like the problem solving process you go through. Really well told. I recently found out how to prevent the LED lights from doing the dark band artifacts in my footage. I adjust the shutter speed so it doesn't mesh with the LEDs switching on/off. Thanks for the vid!
1. I appreciate you trying to show problem solving and it's multi-step iterative process. It think a lot of creators jump to the "Here's what I did!" part of the process vs. showing ideation, prototyping and then builds. I appreciate you showing your process and how you came to the final solution.
2. I am the son of a mechanical engineer and grandson to 2 farmers (and if you know the type...they are the ultimate problem solvers) and I can't help watch this and think you totally over engineered this. 2 hook screws into the subfloor in between the joists, and chains on each end of the light is a much cleaner solution. It solves your problem as stated "1. Hide the lights between joists but allow for them to be raised/lowered as needed for filming. It's a simpler solution, cheaper, and honestly faster than what your process cooked up. NOW with that said: Your solution is cooler and allowed you to use multiple tools/processes and create content for your channel (and loooord knows that's tough enough...so good on ye' mate!) and since this is your shop, you do you sir!
So agreed there are a bunch of ways to skin that cat and while I like your solution...this seems like a similar to the old legend that NASA spent millions developing a pen that could write in zero G's and could survive takeoffs. Russia just used pencils. You've created the pen...I can afford the pencils. 🙂
Keep up the good work though. I love your channel and content.
I loved the mid-project pivot, Bob. Great solution! So many great ideas while I'm laying in bed either trying to fall asleep or avoid getting up.
Showers are a great place for ideas in my 🧠.
We recently moved into our new house and we have short ceilings in the basement. There are a few shop lights around, but they all hang down and I come close to hitting them all the time. I want to build a workshop and 3D printing area in the basement. I was just at Home Depot looking at those flat panel lights, figuring they would be the best solution. However they are very expensive and the hanging shop lights are so much cheaper. Your solution is exactly what I'm going to do. Will work perfectly!
Project idea : a generator shed. With so many Americans going through a winter weather crisis this year, alot of homeowners are now becoming generator owners. A small generator shed that keeps it quiet and provides relatively easy access for starting and refueling would be a good build.
I painted the underside of the joists with cheap white paint... makes my basement shop a ton brighter. With the help sprayer it's not bad at all. Actually used the 5 gal valspar at Lowe's, one of your sponsor, had them tintbwhite, gave 2 coats.
Tbh if I had shop I'd probably have a storage problem for wood, 3D off prints, metal bits, and etc. 😅 15:45 🤔 those adjustable Ver2s could be useful for floating shelves
Great job on the install! Sad to say that there's a very evident flicker, I think those new lights aren't video quality. Also the CRI might be kinda low, colors seemed a bit duller in the end.
Great example of problem solving. The process to get to a simple, elegant solution is not itself simple and elegant but often requires some struggle through and time to percolate. Thanks for this!
As an engineer I can totally relate how married I get to iterations on my original solution, then when you get a minute away from the project you have that epiphany of "oh wait, my initial solution sucks now because my requirements have shifted".
Had you considered a servo motor system to be able to adjust all the light heights as needed? It would only have to have been done 16x. ;)
For future projects where the roundness of the CNC bit is a problem for creating 90-degree corners, there's a relatively simple solution. In your flat sketch showing the profile view of your 90-degree corner, add a circle of the diameter of your bit, or slightly larger, centered on the corner. This provides an automatic way to create a relief cut. Ideally, I like the toolpathing to perform that operation as a plunge cut at the start of my job, but it doesn't overly matter.
Considering the simplicity of the shape I think I would have made a wood "extrusion". Use flat pieces of wood glued together to make a long piece with the same profile as your part, then cut slices on the bandsaw.
For future prints, you might consider different bed orientations -- i think the L brackets would be stronger printed on their sides so each layer traced the L rather than having the connection between the two planes be parallel to the print layers.
Fantastic video! I always enjoy your videos, but walking us through the problem solving process (part of EVERY project) made it so much more meaningful to me. Thank you.
Brilliant, Bob! Fantastic work!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I loved watching more of the problem solving! Great video as always!
I film in my shop too and now you have me thinking about how to make the lighting more ambient vs glaring brightness in the camera.
You could also put open ended slots for the vertical part so you could put the screws in the joists ahead of time and just drop the brackets into place and tighten the screws... that way you don't have to try and hold the light up while trying to get the screws started
Man, I love the way you problem solve. I had this same exact situation, hanging lights between joists. I don't want to be "that guy" and say -why didn't you think of this- but my way to skin that cat was to just drill pocket holes in the boards and screw them up. I did have to cut each one individually because the joists were all different, so your way was definitely elegant. Cool video altogether.
Thanks for this video, Bob!
I found it good and useful to be reminded that it's OK to pivot away from an original design. This made me realise that there may be easier solutions to my problems and the first solution isn't necessarily the best one.
Also, I have even more reason now to add a 3D printer to my robot army.
Never forget the time I had one of our cats in my lap while I was playing ... some game, maybe it was Eve considering the time frame.. I was on voice chat, and somewhere in the coversation mentioned "There's more than one way to skin a cat" and that poor sweet baby jerked as she spun her head to look up at me.
This was pretty dang awesome. I seriously struggle with my overhead lighting in my studio. Love this approach. I also have diff temp bulbs which drives me nutso
This was great! I like the final orange design you landed on because it seems much more doable out of other materials for those without 3D printers.
If you don't have a 3d printer i would just use metal brackets from the home store. Less than 50¢ each. He probably spent more on filament than he would have buying a bracket like that in metal
Interesting problem solving and iterations. It show it’s normal to go back and adjust your requirements when you have more information or experience.
However, I probably would have just screwed some hooks into the joists and used some chains to hang them like drop ceiling lights. Each one would be adjustable by its nature and would have been fairly quick and inexpensive.
LED lamps end of life is normally when the light output is 1/2 of the initial output. You might consider putting a lumen measurement app on a phone and taking and recording measurements at a few locations around the shop. Then measure and record every 6 months or every year, and you will eventually see the lamps degrading over time. The decrease in light output is so slow and gradual that by eye it is impossible to notice. Your recording requirement makes the light output more critical.
Another great video from ILTMS. The one thing that would go light years in helping the lighting would be painting joist and ceiling white. As raw, they really soak up light instead of reflecting it down.
Firstly, thanks for this, as I am just starting the process of figuring out better lighting for my jewelry studio that is also located in a basement (granted, my 'ceilings' are only about 6'8", which is only one inch taller than I am, so I definitely can't have anything hanging down). My goal is to enclose a good third of the available basement space (for security, safety (need fume extraction, etc), and to make it a better/more quiet place to film), but I need to figure out a decent lighting situation that won't entail me hitting my head on lights. I love your approach on taking stock of what tools/materials you have to solve a problem that, on the surface, seems simple.
Secondly, what the heck was that giant format printer that's shown for like a second at 12:35?! I need that in my life!!
Cheers!
Honestly, from the very beginning I was thinking why not just make a small L shaped shelf for the cross piece by screwing together two small pieces of scrap, screw them into the joist a few different times until you find the height you like, then do a bunch of those. You would have had the same end result with a lot less time out into it and less 3D design and printing.
#1 rule of solving any problem: keep it simple.
Nicely done Bob & great solution on hanging all of those lights! 💥💥👍👍
Hey Bob. Just a heads up. I don’t know how many of those lights you have on one circuit. I’m electrician in PA and we had to fix and replace similar lights in a vinyl wrap shop. Love the video on design and problem solving.
Instead of a wedge you could print a little spring within the bracket to hold it in.
as the saying goes "many roads lead to rome"
sometimes leaving a problem for itself, helps to get over it while you really don't think about it at all. Sometimes also hard to when you really want to do something.
Sure did that the hard way! Without a 3D printer, I would have screwed a few blocks to the joists instead. Same outcome but done before the first bracket has finished printing.
Where's Josh & Meghan? It's been a few videos, few months now that we haven't seen them. Everything okay with them?
Still love the videos, just concerned & hope all is well with everyone.
Happy New Year, cheers from Texas.
The flicker from those new lights tho... Did you find a camera shutter sync that'll work with them?
That a-ha moment made this video! I used "more than one way to skin a cat" in class one day, and got an audible gasp from a student. Glad to hear someone else still using it 😂
Old dudes unite!
I grew up using the expression, “you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a…” I’m finding it not as well received these days by the younger generations. 😮😂
Another option for laser would be to cut twice as many as you need and double stack/laminate them. More work, would probably need to cut alignment features, but it's an option if you have a laser but not a 3D printer.
I don’t have a 3D printer…but the idea of making an adjustable test bracket is sound and I would just have used some clamps to hold the the wood in place while test fitting the light. Good thought experiment though.
Loved the walking thru the process. Sad didn’t see the final result in the video.
I think it would have been simpler to mount the light bracket on the head end of a long-ish bolt. You can then put it through a hole in a fixed crossboard. Raise and lower the light by tightening the nut on top.
What if you'd just put pocket wholes in the end of your "stretcher" pieces? Less repeatable lengthwise but no need for extra pieces and materials, just 2 screws on each end like you have right now.
Also, did I miss something? Where's the team?
Oh you were in bed when you came up with the idea. A bird told me you were in the shower! 😂
I actually was in the shower.. Honestly, I don't know why I said in bed... I was definitely still sick when I shot that part :)
I’d really like to know how you decided where the lights will go. I have a garage space with painted drywall, and the added constraint of not being able to drill holes in the ceiling for mounting. (Lights are lightweight though!)
Can’t figure out the best pattern for mounting, or method of mounting, measuring, etc.
Got any tips on where to start?
I was thinking pocket hole screws in a board cut to fit between the spaces. Two screws on each end of each cross board. Use a block of wood to measure the height for each board. Job done. KISS. ;) But I still enjoyed watching the video. Thank you!
was my first thought and he could have been finished in a day using scrap wood without much concern about thickness or width because the face would be set with the spacer block
Yeah I love the thought experiment but I feel like a lot of time was wasted on just figuring out the height. I'm not sure why wedges were needed at all. What exactly was going to bump the boards out of place while he's just checking the height placement?
I like your analytical approach in general, but... Sorry, but this was a solution in search of a problem. And in the end, the amount of adjustment you need to fine tune light dispersion is much narrower than the options you have with such a device.
Make your cross bar with clips, put a light on it, and clamp a small block to the joist and set it on top. Make micro adjustments until you're happy, then attach with screws. Basically your template to set your mounts was the solution from the beginning...
as usual : smart, done with passion and an amazing amount of inspiring ideas ! I like to make stuff... thanks to you !
Hey Bob that was a great solution
I thought some chain would've been good to hit a eyebolt threaded through the bracket but that's much more creative
nice video with a lot of details as always! thanks! buut, it's how overengineering works or i'm missing something? did you think to just put those lights flush right behind the joist? so basically when you go forward from camera than joist than lamp that flush low with joist, right behind it. you have minimum interference light and joist and it's simple to install, just screw lamp clamp side to the joist that's it. why you decide to put lamp right in the middle of joists? this design forces you to raise lamps up to the roof.
Great job with this one. It is always fun to over think a project them realize going simple is so much easier.
Simple Simpson brackets or corner bracket at home depot they have what you made in galvanized metal for a buck each and little invested in printing its a thought !
I know for some, this will be a disjointed "what's the point" video. But I really enjoy the talk thought the problem solving process. It's something is is missing in many places as we are constantly looking for the answer an moving on. I've been watching you for years, and these sorts of videos and the walkthrough of the process is why i watch.
Now let's see the finished product! Next week ??
Over engineering to hang a light. Some scrap wood screwed to the joist where you want it, lay the wood on top and screw up from the bottom of the bracket. Attach light and move on.
I like this type of video a lot! The consideration of the problem, design, and manufacturing methods make the solving seem so approachable.
Wow huge project out of just screwing a light up lol
New favorite video! I loved watching your process.
Personally in my opinion I would have just done it with base plates, threaded rod, lock nuts and captive nuts. Would be less time than having to do the modelling and 3d printing. Also means that you set the heights more easily. But again this is just a suggestion.
I really appreciate the humanity in your videos. Not just your (on-screen) personality, but the way you show iterating solutions, and this video specifically with the complete redesign. Keep on keepin' it it real!
Great video and great ideas thanks for sharing