2022 Toyota Tundra TRD Hybrid Hoist Review | Underbody, Suspension
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Jordan discusses his findings on the undercarriage of Toyota's new 2022 Tundra TRD Capstone (iForce MAX Hybrid) Truck
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Am amazed at the amount of detail this man explains this guy is way more informative and detailed than most reviewers out there
Love these analysis videos. You do an awesome job of explaining industry specific stuff. The more in depth the more I love them!
That rear diff, housing and 4 link (excluding brakes and shock points) looks exactly like my 1990 80 series cruiser. Also the spare wheel mount with long chain.
The underside quality looks so much better than the Maverick. Will keep this in mind in buying future used cars.
This is no Maverick. This is a Capstone Tundra...TOP of the line.
11:30 Large diameter aluminum driveshafts are used for their lateral stiffness to weight ratio so a long driveshaft can still have a high critical speed. OEMs like a long single piece shaft whenever possible to eliminate the carrier bearing. A steel shaft could in theory do the same job at the same weight and same diameter with a much thinner wall, but would be very prone to denting and manufacturing defects.
A pity that Toyota doesn't sell the Landcruiser or Hilux in the US, because I'd really like to see what the Munro crew have to say about them.
"If you want to see the outback, take a Land Rover. If you want to come back, take a Landcruiser" - Ancient Australian proverb
Absolutely. Landcruisers are beasts
Technically this chassis/engine of the tundra is actually the latest land cruiser 300 underpinnings!
@@alanmay7929 Exactly.
“Dinosaur engineering” by the look of it
@@markjonz that’s what she said lol……
The front brake calipers are opposed-piston (fixed body), but the rears are sliding... because that allows them to have a parking brake feature (with the currently popular electric actuator on the caliper, rather than the traditional mechanical cable).
I've actually never seen a deep-dive to this level on an ICE vehicle before, so thanks!
Lol….. you must have been living under the rocks then!!!
Didn't Sandy Munro say just recently they would never do ICE cars again? Only cheap ones, where they can learn from cost saving measures? I wonder why they made an exception here on this 70k USD Toyota Tundra.
@@koeniglicher Someone who works there probably bought one-- so they threw it on the lift, just because it's there.
@@koeniglicher yeah why not expensive ICEs and also where is the cybertruck!? It can’t even do 500miles of range let alone be a candidate for things like overlanding…… people are already modifying the tundra for overlanding……. ICE still have a lot of advantages compared to EVs like it or not
@@koeniglicher even tesla uses ford and Mercedes’ ICE vans for their mobile services go figure out!! Why didn’t Tesla convert those vans into electric!?!? 😅😅😅😂😂😂😂
Toyota truck chassis are soooo much easier and nicer to work on than USDM chassis. All those individual brackets you mention are easily replaceable if there is ever a problem with them, unlike American trucks where if there is a rust or damage issue it's very labor intensive to cut, grind, and weld a new bracket on. On the Toyota you simply unbolt it and replace it. Multiple brackets also prevents a single bracket failure from effecting multiple systems. Can you imagine if a sway bar end link bracket failed for some reason - a relative non-issue if the other side is still connected - but that also meant your fuel tank mount failed? Wow.
Like the solid paint on the frame. All my Chevy trucks only had soft vax undercoating that doesnt last long.
The additional remote radiators may be for a different temperature set of cooling... Isolated from the main radiator, which runs at a higher temp and therefore undesirable for the e drive side
"Addition radiators" are indeed Twin Intercoolers for the Twin Turbocharged 3.4L V-6 gasoline engine.
Munro’s great videos, I enjoying watching this type of videos. Thank you Munro team for everything you do!
Our pleasure!
0:04 we do need to see the dance moves
Boys and Girls , behold the Toyota Turdra! You are looking at Toyotas future, and Toyota is going to be History!.
Toyota trucks are always a decade or two behind.
He didn't mention Toyota's "NEW" Completely-Boxed Frame.
love these types of shows!
Well presented and very interesting, thanks. 👍
Also don’t forget wheels themselves are also designed as a part of “sorb” packages to absorb energy (the wheels break apart) as well as to prevent them from pushing into the cabin. I wish you guys would maybe do a little bit on the wheels and see if anything the camera can see.
(In some newer cars 2015+ ish, not all)
The fixed calipers are standard on almost all Toyota trucks and SUVs on the front. Ever since noting them on my 2003 Tacoma TRD, I've kept my eye on most cars to see their brake type up front. GM has gone this route recently for trucks which compete with the Toyotas afaict.
Great review and information...
Those extra radiators are the heat exchangers for the air to water intercoolers.
There's a lot or reminiscence to my 99 1st generation Tacoma. Same style LCA, same style UCA, similar front Diff. Same style of frame, add the new body dampers, Same style rear axle housing, 3rd member, add the 4 piston rear brakes, similar to the same style fixed 4 piston front brakes as my Tacoma. One thing I'd like to point out on the rear axle housing; I really like the simplicity if the pressed steel design. It's geometrically stiff ,durable and an economical use of material. It's also only 3 pieces welded together. You can weld modify and repair it if needed. Ie, adding brackets for traction bars etc. One thing your presenter got wrong is the center section material on the American trucks. It's probably not cast iron if it's being welded to. Cast iron and forged steel look similar in appearance, but forged welds great, and cast bolts or brazes together.
Thanks for doing the informational videos, I find your show very interesting.
I wish Toyota innovate with there trucks again. I think with mega casting and snap in place plastic body panels the could make a simple , durable, practical and cheap truck again the befits the common working man. A tough simple machine, made to work, and get great reliability and economy. Thanks again!
Fortunately they aren't using drum brakes on the new Tundra.
Fan clutch is reliable ,they really shine when you tow
You can really move tons of air with those things I can see the needle move when mine kicks in
Your's has a NEEDLE?!? Most new models have only the "virtual" instrument cluster...a bar graph.
Interesting contrast between you and Sandy who doesn’t mince words when he sees something he doesn’t like.
Sandy rants; Jordan makes thoughtful observations.
Looks well engineered. The Maverick by contrast did not impress.
I really appreciate the in depth details of a potential truck for me.
The Prado in Australian market has used 4 piston fixed calipers in the front for well over a decade now. Parts bin I suspect
It’s amazing how little they’ve changed underneath on this vs the previous gen.
The window was upgraded to $70k.
Low volume for sure.
"While Americans can’t seem to get enough of the mid-size pickups from Japanese automakers, they absolutely shun their full-size trucks. According to data from WardsIntelligence, the highest market share Toyota has seen with Tundra was 9.1% and that was in 2007. It currently hovers in the 5% range. It’s even worse for Nissan. The best the Titan was able to muster was 3.5% of the market in 2005. Today it’s at 1.5%. With the Detroit Three commanding 94% of full-size pickup sales this year, it might almost make more sense for Toyota and Nissan to share a large truck platform." Autoline
This is about as much change as most legacy OEMs accomplish from generation to generation.
@@normt430 120k units isnt low volume. 🙄 The Ranger is a lower volume truck than the Tundra.
😅🤣😂 I think you're used to Tesla.
Good show, great presentation. Top!
One reason we don’t see “those” (catalytic converters) anymore is because someone chopped it off with a reciprocating saw and stole it.
7:44 .. I'm fairly certain that is just a pre-resonator, it changes the tone of the exhaust before it gets to the muffler. The actual CAT-converters are more upstream and can be seen in your footage, up closer to the engine.
Jordan is just referring to the fact that Munro does mostly EV teardowns now.
Very well spoke. But Are these good or junk? I need a truck and can’t decide!!!
I'm sure someone already said this. 19:40 looks like the air to water intercooler setup to me. Toyota did spend extra money on this setup compared to their air to air competitors. Noticed this in the parking lot a few months back.
yes I just made that same comment.. This is common wiht Landcruiser 300 and both are on TNGA-F platform
That strap under the prop shaft is very interesting to me. The early 80's Toyota Crown 6 had examples of the long prop shaft fatally de-coupling from the gearbox. Toyota performed a major recall to replace all the single long prop shafts with two section ones, carried in a chassis-mounted bearing at about 1/3 length. I worked at a Toyota dealership at the time and watched them passing through.
That "Torque Box" appears to limit the aftermarket tire size, I won't be surprised when some owners simply cut it off for clearance.
guys have been cutting that cab mount since 2005 to fit bigger tires. they even sell kits that replace the cab mount alltogether
The spare tire carrier chain is relatively uncommon to cause corrosion of the inner wheel. The mass of the chain keeps it from contacting the wheel under most driving conditions.
Its not cast iron, its forged steel. Hard to tell the difference at a glance because forged steel has flashing lines like cast iron.
The viscous coupling fan is less efficient than an electric fan; however, The application requires longevity. The viscous coupling is more dependable, and will “fail-on”.
The mechanical fan is certainly less efficient. Though they are thermally activated and can vary the speed a bit too. They do move A TON of air.. WAY more than any electric fan can do. And is a pretty compact design given the air volume they can move. You would need HUGE electric motor to move the same amount of air,.
Another great video, thanks.
Pretty sure, Tundra & 4Runner both have mechanical fans; perhaps since engine can not run w/o cooling. It appears to be a reliability factor
the mechanical fan is much more reliable. especially on a vehicle that is expected to ford water if ever offroaded which alot of toyota owners seem to do.
The fan is not needed for the engine to run, until the coolant is hot enough to need cooling and the road speed is low enough the a fan is needed to assist airflow. Much of the time, the fan is not needed.
Looking forward to 2023 Genisis G80 Electric up on the lift.
All Toyotas I’ve ever owned have that chain hanging down. Never an issue.
"If you can't make it perfect, make it adjustable" ---
Great speaker!
Solid rear axle. Only an American dealer network could sell that old tech.
almost All trucks in the US use a solid rear axle... The Lightning is IRS, I cant think of another.
We use trucks for work, IRS is not as strong, and has way more parts and bushings to fail. And when you put a significant load on the rear.. it will squat, and with IRS the geometry is then significantly changed and will cause tire wear. That is not an issue with a solid axle.
Go ride in a Ram 1500 with solid axle.. rides smooth as can be.
The bad ride and hopping around on bumps associated with solid axles in the old days is mostly gone.
superior setup in a truck application despite what these ev manufacturers will tell you.
That solid axle will outlast any independent suspension
The Tundra uses the same TNGA-F chassis architecture as the Land Cruiser. Only a solid axle could meet Toyota’s design, performance, particularly off-road, requirements of the Land Cruiser. As the Land Cruiser is their top of the line 4x4 and drives design, everything else using the TNGA-F chassis will be solid axle. This includes the new Sequoia and upcoming next gen Tacoma and 4Runner, whereas the last two will have scaled down size TNGA-F chassis.
It’s better than IRS for truck applications 😂🤣
You need to go look at some older trucks because the chain for the spare tire has been around for over 40 years
Well done!
The rear axle beam housing fabrication from stampings should be structurally more efficient than tubes inserted into a central "pumpkin", right? It does require tooling specific to each track width, which would be expensive for a company such as Dana making axles to fit a range of vehicles, but that's not a problem for Toyota.
The cast (or forged) portion is the carrier; a bolted-in cast or forged carrier is a common live beam axle construction.
Exceptional analysis. I wonder if Toyota is growing old....
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Same chain design on my Hilux. It’s not hitting anything while driving. I coated everything in wax tho
When you are pointing out the cast iron brackets under the truck, are you sure it's not cast steel? Cast iron would be very week for that application. At least that's my understanding of cast iron. Thanks for the walk through. Cast iron doesn't fair well with a dynamic load.
I find retaining the viscous fan, especially on the hybrid, to be interesting. In towing the viscous fans typically cool better, hence why semis retain them. I to believe that is a pwm controlled clutch however.
My 2014 Infiniti QX80 5.6L V-8 gas eng. has BOTH a temperature-controlled Visco fan clutch & a magnetic-coupled belt-driven cooling fan.
The QX80 is basically a Nissan "Patrol" SUV, "off-road" type vehicle built TOUGH as ****!
The hanging chain for the spare is normal. Tacomas have it too. Toyota's been doing this for many years. You better fluid film the entire mechanism and exercise it periodically, or it'll rust in place.
WOO WOO WOO !!!
According to the owner's manual for the 2023 Tundra, the spare tire winch uses a chain, and there is no other "safety" chain. It looks like the winch chain has been wound down and something else is holding the tire (which would be strange), or the slack side of the chain is hanging down instead of being retained in the winch mechanism. You could have just cranked it down to check it out, without disassembling anything.
Another reason for using a engine driven fan is for mud. Electronic fans can get clogged with mud and jam them. Might not be as much of a problem anymore but there is still that potential for failure. There might be a video out there demonstrating that.
The viscous clutch fan is probably very powerful in moving air when a *lot* of cooling is needed. It seems to me this vehicle is made for towing heavy stuff so it makes sense.
The downside is you don't get much cooling when you are at a stop (or in stop and go traffic).
@@stephenj4937 You don't need a lot of cooling in slow moving traffic or when stopped though, as the engine isn't working hard, and especially as it's a hybrid.
Spare tire chain: it is a safety backup chain. Exactly same as my Tacoma. Surprisingly hasn’t caused NVH or dinged up the spare rim.
Actually the chain rides through a winch mechanism and gets shorter as the tire lowers to the ground, it’s part of the lowering system and not a safety system.
@@TheIrongutz Thanks for the correction. I falsely assumed the cable was still there. The tire retention device was replaced when Toyota did the frame swap on my truck, and I believe the original mech. was a cable reel. The links I see hanging down on mine actually appear to be quite a bit thicker than the chain seen in this video.
Prop shaft: good to finally see aluminum. Ford was using aluminum by y2K, but Toyota continued to use steel.
This Hybrid makes a lot of Torque... 437HP and 583 Torque, That may have been why.
Anyone notice how this truck is probably just as old as the Maverick, yet NO rust. Interesting, not.
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Nice vid! Over $70,000 seems like too much money for that.
Everything is too much money now
With current battery technology, hybrids and plugin hybrids make more economical sense for trucks, in terms of energy efficiency.
I agree, but people dont want to hear that.
Makes more sense for cars too. On my second prius (168000 miles). Drove first one over 250000 miles. Very low maintenance cost and no worries on long trips. Batteries need another 10 to 20 years of improvement in performance and cost before I'll give up my hybrid.
This truck is available as a hybrid.
Frame: not sure if it is still true, US manufacturer Dana used to build the frames for the Toyota pickups.
🇺🇲 I'm still buying a Tundra over its comps. Toyota trucks all over the globe. In wars, providing transport for the poor with little issues and easy fix.
Love seeing some traditional ice vehicles on the channel - Toyota knows how to build vehicles that last forever. Cool to see a walk through of one of their products.
19:43 Jordan - are the side mounted radiators in fact intercoolers as per the Landcruiser 300? Both are based on the Toyoya TNGA-F platform so I suspect they are indeed air to water intercoolers.
Sandy says less brackets/bolts is better. YAY America !
LMFAO! Opened with a Nissan truck ad by YT with over 200K “runaway roll away” recall by Nissan Trucks currently…
No body mentioned why extra 4 jacks are mounted to lift the truck, is this for safety of the presenter underneath the truck?
Yes. They are safety stands which Munro staff use when working under a vehicle on a hoist, at least on-camera. This is not generally considered necessary, but is good practice for safety.
So Toyota's frame philosophy is better IMHO. Get it right before producing rather than correct during production.
Our 1995 Tacoma had fixed 2 piston calipers up front; thought it was interesting but maybe more robust all around for a truck
7:44 .. I'm fairly certain that is just a pre-resonator, it changes the tone of the exhaust before it gets to the muffler. The actual CAT-converters are more upstream and can be seen in your footage, up closer to the engine. At least that's how it is on Ford's.
You are correct; you can see the actual cat stuffed further up the engine bay at 7:55. The oxygen sensor that is visible is the downstream sensor.
@@stephenj4937 Precisely.
There's a sensor in the pipe between the catalyst and this device... is a sensor used downstream of the catalytic converter, or is this a second stage converter?
Impressed with the Absence of "RUST" on the Undercarriage!!! Unlike my 2022 F-150 That's Brand NEW????? Now, I gotta take of that Issue myself??? "O" Well. And what's up with that Large Piece of COTTON at the Front Diff Area??? Is that supposed to be a SKID PLATE??? I hardly think so??
will appropriate if you look at and compare with ram1500, f150
I wonder how much the Ford E Lightning will cost Toyota in sales , and the coming E.Silverados and of course we know approximately how many are waiting for their CYBRTRK .Is Toyota going to have a Nokia moment?
Electric trucks are a scam. No one is buying them, except enthusiasts.
I am wondering about the fact same thing
Take a look at the real world towing range on the new Etrucks. It's not a lot. But if the majority of the segment gets sold to nontowing buyers, that might steal Tundra sales. So idk....
Pretty much what I've seen on trucks from the 90's forward. The hybrid is disappointing in the fuel mileage however does deliver more power. Won't compete with electric for long.
Maintenance on this will be expensive.
@@davidbeppler3032 hybrids are a fail
@@davidbeppler3032 crazy expensive in comparison. Dumb.
@@pavici Yep, Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. Tiny battery and added weight, tiny motor and more maintenance. Just plain dumb. That is why Legacy Auto loves them. More trips to the dealerships! MONEY!
@@davidbeppler3032 on point! I dont know why the world keeps quiet about this.
Have you done a 2022/23 Santa Cruz on the lift? If not could you.ty
Hey Toyota…complexity only impresses the truly ignorant.
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Gotta love the fact that a turbo replacement will require the cab being lifted off the frame, this will be a throwaway truck after 10 years
@Kevin K yes all the HD pickup are that way, I wasn’t comparing comparing apples and oranges. I was just waiting for a Toyota fanboy to justify and make excuses for a bad design😂
Just like when they try and justify how reliable they are, yet the multiple class action lawsuits on Toyota frames rusting spanning over 30 years into the present day and multiple other issues they have. They certainly aren’t any more reliable than anything else on the road, but their fanboys are reliable in how annoying they are 😂
@Kevin K that must be why nobody with a fleet of trucks operates Toyotas. Here on the oil fields in Alaska it’s all American trucks. Toyotas don’t last up here
@Kevin K Yeah, patriotism is why only American trucks survive in severe fleet duties 🙄 That’s why only exterminators buy Toyotas for their fleets and anyone who needs to do a rough job everyday buys American. The trucks with the lowest cost of ownership over 10 years are American, the Silverado and the F150.
@Kevin K real world numbers don’t lie, we’ve run Toyotas and they don’t last in tough conditions here in Alaska.
Sorry it hurts your fanboy feelings. Toyotas chew through 4WD systems up here. Transfer cases don’t last, small yokes, busted u-joints (amongst many other things) all things that leave a person stranded to die up here where there’s no cell service.
You have been defending the crappy design and engineering on a Toyota from the beginning, and you just can’t get over the fact that your precious little mall crawler isn’t made for real work. But you don’t actually depend on your truck like people up here do, so of course you would have no clue about any real world data. You fanboys are all the same, keyboard off-roaders that have zero real world experience.
Maybe the tundra shares the same chassis as the 200series that isn't sold in America? This would explain the multiple brackets as the two vehicles have different suspension systems
it shares the same platform with the current LC300 Land Cruiser
Can you put a car from the seventies up on the hoist and show us the lack of safety?
13:22 if you're doing truck review videos like this you should at least know that it's called independent suspension. Also, if you're wondering why they use different types of metals on different parts of the chassis.. it's because some sections need to be flexible, while others need to be rigid.
Are we not gonna talk about the purple bolts?!
If you haven't learned from this, that's on you.
They use fixed calipers on the tacoma and drums on the back
Presumably most manufacturers are doing the bare minimum development on ICE/Hybrid vehicles given the way things are going?
Not Toyota! EV trucks will be selling more than this before the first redesign.
A lot less rust on this bottom than the Ford Maverick.
It only cost 4x the price too.. that's a bargain.
@@calholli it’s 4x the truck as well
@@flight2k5 I don't even consider the Maverick a "truck".. It's an SUV with a bed built on the back. In Australia they call these a UTE. Either way, a Maverick and a Honda Ridgeline are not 'trucks".
You guys gonna do the Porsche Taycan?
What's with the purple and blue hue coating on the bolts?
Match marks so you can tell if a bolt/nut is coming loose. Also used as a QA function to show it was supposedly torqued to spec.
every vw I have had the last 20 years is electric radiator fans,variable speed
They have all had transverse engines, so an engine-driven fan is not feasible and an electric fan is used.
@@brianb-p6586 Even our Audis which had inline engines, all have electric fans, fans have been electric for decades
Why they don’t put 1 catalytic converter where the exhaust from both bank murge?
They want the catalyst as close as possible to the engine to get at the exhaust where it is hottest. Some engines have the catalyst integrated with the exhaust manifold; this is more convetional.
With a this illustration of quality engineering, I can see why Toyota has been slow on EVs compared to Hyundai, but for that kind of money (70k), you have to look at the Lightning.
Its a loaded model.. You can get a Tundra for less.. Yes they are expensive.. But 20 years from now and 500,000 miles later.. It will probably still be on the road.
@Kevin K
Keep in mind that the majority of people who own pickup trucks never tow anything. The lightning works perfectly for that purpose. But if you got a tow anything more than a small boat or jet skis any amount of distance, you definitely need a gas truck.
@Kevin K
Not disagreeing with you but the reality is people like big trucks for a variety of reasons. Often they like the interior space and the occasional trip to home Depot.
And honestly smaller pickup trucks except for the Maverick hybrid really don't get much better gas mileage than the bigger trucks.
For me the Toyota would be probably the most reliable you could get. The tundra has a reputation for being quite long-lived.
@Kevin K
Look at the sales data. Ford sales about a million f-150s per year.
You can get a EV truck for a lot less money than that. Perhaps not right now. But there are lower trims of the F-150 lightning.
I agree with you financially it doesn't make a ton of sense.
People like to have one vehicle that can do everything, even if some of those things are probably things they will never do.
Take a look at how popular the Jeep Wrangler is? A ton of them never get used off-road at all. People just like them because of the style and knowing that they could take it off road if they wanted to.
Buying a car is not just about doing the sensible thing, it tends to be an emotional decision blended with practicality and need.
This looks very like my 1998 Land Cruiser 100, including the chain for the spare wheel crane. Not a lot of development seems to have taken place over the last 25 years.
Lol…… what do you expect!! A large casting!! Stfu!!! Toyota trucks have always been made to be modified and I mean all Toyota trucks and 4x4 SUVs unlike other brands. You see the global use of Toyota worldwide right!!
Also there are a lot of me stufs on that truck from chassis to engine, gearbox, interior……
Lexus LX570 has the spare chain too. I will ziptie it up
I have a 2022 tundra and the chain on the spare is hanging on my truck too. I used a bungee cord to hold it up on the rim of the spare because I was worried about it hanging like that
With the intermingling of aluminum and steel parts, what are the potentials for electrolysis corrosion and how is this mitigated, or is it a non-issue
They don't care about it. Also you clearly see many places where the rust will grow fast.
I think the aluminium is heavily anodized (covered with a layer of aluminium oxide) so that it's effectively a very poor conductor on the outside. Galvanic corrosion becomes a non-issue.
@@adon8672 another CZcams troll with no content another idiotic 12 IQ statement.
@@mrm1885 nonsense!!!! They know what they are doing! Your corrosion bullshit won’t happen
@@adon8672 exactly
looks like a lot of cutting to fit 37s
Efficiency isn't everything. Durability and serviceability are far more important for vehicle longevity.
That is why Toyota is so successful