@@musclegeek1991 On a city parked motorcycles I face my lock in a position that makes using the key difficult, which has worked well since on more than one occasion someone tried to steal a bike I had U-locked.
NYT updated their article: "In February 2021, a CZcams expert who goes by the name LockPickingLawyer posted a video in which he said that tools for picking disc-detainer locks were becoming more common-in fact, he designed one himself that’s now available online and that he used to open our top pick in 46 seconds and our upgrade pick in 58 seconds. Given that the brute-force methods we tried took even less time to destroy a lock, though, we remain less worried about lock picking than we do about bolt cutters and angle irons."
Between "angle irons" and the ambiguous phrase that can imply that LPL designed a disc detainer lock and not a pick, im really hoping this isn't a direct quote from the NYT because these typos are SOMETHING
That's dumb, those other methods are way too violent, why not taking the whole rake of bikes parked and throwing it into a van? The dangers of picking is that it's a lot smoother and doesn't grab unnecessary attention. Following this line of thought, angle grinder will always win eventually. Silly.
@@ilmpyt but they're right. Criminals normally cut through bike locks, not pick them. If you want a truly unpickable bike lock get a forever lock. Just because it can't be picked doesn't make it the most secure lock ever.
@@ilmpyt no-one cares about attention aside from the opportunistic thief, which a zip tie would likely protect against. Proper criminals will battery angle grinder the thing off, or use battery powered hydraulic cutters now available.
As a professional locksmith and hobbyist lockpicker, no, they don't. It's not financially worthwhile to buy this tool because we so very rarely deal with them in the field, and truth be told, we usually wind up just cutting them off. I have one that I bought with my own money, and it lives on my desk at home, because when I told my boss about it, his response was that it was waste of money for a toy I don't need.
@@larper8or851 As a professional, how much of what LPL does do you think is realistic, and is there anything about him that uninformed audiences don't really pick up?
I just checked the article and they have updated it to no longer call these locks unpickable, but rather “...should foil all but the most savvy criminal using specialty tools.”
The anxiety I have watching this video, while I sit in a doctors office knowing my electric bike is locked up with one of these locks across the street is palpable
make if face towards a wall or downwards, include a chain and another lock. Especially with an e-bike, where weight matters less I would go with 2-3 locks connected with one another. That means you'd have to pick multiples in different angles or you'd have to brute force multiple ... both is something a thief is absolutely not looking for.
I once saw a thief outside of my house trying to rake my neighbour's cheap DD lock with a rake then proceed to switch to a dimple lock rake and try again...
There aren't mechanical locks that cannot be picked. As long as it can be opened with a key, it can be opened. The difference is just whether you can readily get the tool to pick it, and the skill required to pick.
It's funny.. But on the other hand, if you go to a lockpicking meetup and nobody has the tool let alone the skills to use it, it does say something about the real world chance of yours getting picked..
yeah but really, pretty much nobody outside of some locksmiths and a really hardcore subset of the locksport community has the tools or skills to open these.
@@shantygaming694 you could already buy a pick for disk detainer picks for about 5 bucks (iirc, I actually saw one once on wal-mart's online store). they were just a lot crappier, or more expensive and custom-made.
I think lock companies should use LPL as a way to test their locks before putting them on the market. If the lock lasts more than a minute with him, it’s basically invincible against anyone else
Yeah i don't think the LPL understands just how much better he is than the rest of us at picking locks. Although i will say that back when we were bad kids we robbed soda machines with a tube pick made out of a bullet casing rubber bands and Bobby pins. I think it was..38cal lmao good times
Honestly, at least around here, as long as the lock doesn't basically fall open the only thing that matters about it is how thick and hard the metal is. Bike theft is incredibly common and the locks are pretty much never picked; they're always broken into using bolt cutters or an angle grinder. Lock pick resistance doesn't matter a ton when you can cut any lock in under 5 minutes with a handheld battery operated angle grinder. Even if someone sees a thief in the act they're finished by the time cops show up (happened last year right outside my building).
@@toonman361 In the past two years I have had a downhil bike stollen form our basement worth of 3000€ MSRP, a carbon road bike stolen near a train station at 2200 € MSRP Both of these were locked with krypronie ev. U-locks. I also had a 300€ MSRP fixie stolen also at a train station but it was locked with a less secure lock. All three of these thefts happened in Switzerland. I would say bike theft is quite common.
@@aserta It's not a lie, what's a better bike lock out there in the same price range? Plus if you read their articles, they say they're the best for "most consumers" not the best possible option out there.
I would love to see a top-10 list of bike locks with good cores. I need to replace my old Master lock that LPL picked with a toothpick while blindfolded under water.
@@aralornwolf3140 That's hardened steel. Only an angle grinder can cut it. In a previous video about one of these, he mentioned that the manufacturer or the media did a test of leaving a bike secured with it in NYC unattended for several days, and it was still there, with traces of a few cutting attempts.
@@aralornwolf3140 angle grinders aren’t the most covert technique to break open a lock. They’re very loud and create a lot of bright sparks when cutting steel. A ‚faster‘ grinder wouldn’t really do you much good, since it would worsen said issues.
"These tools are not hard to get, they are inexpensive, and the skills are easy to develop" Says the man who developed the tool in question, gave the design away to keep it inexpensive, and publishes widely watched how to videos ;)
@@granitedreamer3405 Right ? I do enjoy watching these, but every time he gives an easy trick to open a common lock i think "dude how many bikes are going to get stolen thanks to this".
@@Shaoraka there's actually a reason people do this. see, the idea is that if you show the companies what they did wrong, eventually they'll fix their crap. in the economy we have, doing this lights a fire under the lock company's ass. the more he does this, the tighter security will get, thus people's belongings will be safer. it's a "this is going to be hell for people today, but the people of the future are going to be better for it" kind of thing, it's much like exercise. it hurts now, but we'll all be better for it later.
@@dreyvinnash And I get that, no problem, it's just that I know for a fact that quite a few tricks he gave as far back as 1 or 2 years back are still usable simply because the companies don't care. If they even saw it, they didn't act on it. I absolutely support the idea, just sometimes it doesn't work and then it does the opposite.
@@420jessw and often less versatile, the efforts BB and LPL put into the design and improving it made for what they saw as experienced pickers as necessary in a disc detainer pick makes for a very nice little pick that is easy to use and decode with compared to most other offerings.
Yea he doesn't claim to have invented the pick, thats just the one they made and are selling he's using his channel as a plug for his business its a smart move
@@Alex-ve1og Just because you give your designs away to the public, that doesnt mean you cant make money off your design. The grand majority of people dont have the tooling to make this tool so they will buy it. Where are they most likely to buy it? Well from whatever website you recomend and are affiliated with. Want proof? Check out Joreg Sprave's Adder and Ferris weapons.
Clearly your picking skills are in the top 1% tier. If bike thieves had your skills, they would not be bike thieves. The yellow lock saved my bicycle from theft vs an angle grinder.
I have the yellow one too, and i agree someone with the skills to pick it this quickly woud be targeting much higher value things than bikes or motorbikes.
@@sideshow101101 LPL is a seasoned lockpicker. He's picked thousands, if not tens of thousands of different types of lock cores. Even with that, it took him 40 seconds to open the orange one. Someone without his level of skill and prowess would take a great deal of time to open this lock, if they could even do it at all.
@@HansLasser Well, his adventures regarding his girlfriend's backdoor breaking and entering didn't seem a so subtle choice of words ... [1071] Getting In My Ex-Girlfriend’s Back Door
It's shocking that he tries to defend a "professional journalist" who could have just used a Google search. Then ends up roasting them anyways. I mean seriously who expects anything less from the New York Trash?
Imagine going to a locksmith and asking for *any* lockpicking tool. It used to be that it was pretty difficult to buy lockpicks in the US. Now?...easy as pie.
Most locksmith's shops don't carry these types of tools for retail customers. I'm certain they have tons of them for their own usage but, selling them to prospective customers would defeat the function that the locksmith's provides. You don't want people doing everything for themselves that you can do for them for a price.
I have these locks for my bike ( along with a Dutch wheel lock) it is actually quite reassuring that it would take someone with this level of skill this long to get them both off.
Just adding some common sense to the equation really. There is no better product for the money in the bike lock space that I'm aware of. There's stuff out there that's as good, but nothing better.
@@peglor For ones you can buy in stores, Abus Granit X-Plus 540 is generally better rated. And there are several custom made bike locks in the $100-200 range that are better than that.
Was just sold the orange lock and the guy told me it was "basically unbreakable and unpickable". Thank you for letting me know I need to be more safe about where (and how long) I leave my locked bike than I recently have been. At least I also use a secondary wheel lock.
Im pretty sure both the room and the building were marked, or they would have been if the story were true. Like the building has an address, and they probably (didnt) meet in room 3b. That story is complete BS.
@@mikehawk3472 I'm assuming "unmarked room of an unmarked building" meant that the author of the article didn't specify what conference it was or where it was, not literally an unmarked room in an unmarked building
Wirecutter does a good job at picking a really good option for most of the public, most of the time. You did good job explaining the fallability of Wirecutter, too, all while stating they had a tough job. I'm still thinking that most thieves don't carry your tool with them. Good job!
I really love Wirecutter and trust when they say "this is the best value...(whatever)". I also appreciate LPL ensuring that I understand lock security is just a matter of time, skill, tools and level of destruction...
There are a lot of bicycles for sale in the area where I live and it looks like there’s a bicycle for every child in this area both size and style. I know for a fact the individual selling them does not buy them one at a time off of people he buys them off of people from a large city 8 or 10 at a time from people who do carry tools, I also think from people who have plausible deny-ability. Happens a lot along the coast where there are tourists and on the East Coast the bikes come out of major cities like New York city.
@@lairdcummings9092 Fastbikes did a test years ago with a couple motorcycle thieves that had been released from jail. They opened even lock in less than 30 second with a 10 ton porta power. The only thing they avoided was a disk lock because you couldn't get the portapower ram on it. Cordless grinders render those useless, but make noise. The advantage of the porta power is that it's also quiet. At the end of the test they apologized for being so slow, but the ram the editor supplied was a sloppy piece of crap. The only reason to pick a lock is to cover up the fact that it was opened. There is almost always a low skill brute force attack to any lock.
@@terravarious exactly. Brute force is crude, but fast. Grinders and saws are noisy, but portable, concealable, cheap, and fast enough. A portable hydraulic cutter is faster and quieter, but heavier, and a more difficult to conceal. Trade-off; you choose your target, style, and tool.
I like this guy: In a roundabout way he tells other lockpickers, they should buy his lockpick, to be wellrounded, then he tells bicycle thieves that they need to buy his lockpick, which could lead to more work for him as a lawyer (if he does criminal law) and finally he implys that the lock producing company should hire him to consult on how to make better locks, and he is nice about it.
Wow, what a great "how to" demonstrattion. I bought this tool too and tried several hours to to pick my own locks too (same products). Finaly your way, how you exactly grab and handle the lock and tool was the key !! Thanks a lot
One time it took me so long to open my lock with the key that I walked away because people started to look warily. Luckily I managed to open it 15 minutes later :D
I love how he makes tools and gives tips for locksmiths and regular citizens, but at the same time he is giving criminals the exact right tools and the best tips and skills to pick locks.
At this point I’m like one of Pavlov’s dogs and start salivating when the phrase “disc detainer” is uttered ... building up the tension waiting for “turn everything clockwise” and finally the payoff “TDDPTBBAIM”
I feel like this actually happens a lot, but more often with individual parts and not the entire car. It definitely happens with bike parts, electronics, and home appliances.
I feel that you were being polite and generous to the NYT journalist who wrote the article... ...I hope that the Times journalist gets a chance to watch your library of videos.
I bought the one on the right, well aware of it's weakness to picking. However whenever locking a bike it's good practice to orientate the key hole downward (close to the ground) and in an awkward position such as next to the frame so that it is difficult to get hands or tools infront of the keyhole, and taking purchase on two parts of the frame so that the lock can't be rotated more horizontal.
@@aayotechnology probably varies by bike. When you lock your bike up, consider what you’re locking it to, and how you can make it inconvenient for a thief to steal. Anything that would make them spend more time, or cause them a hassle would make them inclined to find an easier target.
@@charlesrodriguez491 if is close to the ground they can easily open by metal scissors ;). Doesn't matter how hard is you lock. They will step on the metal scissors and cut it ;)
I own one of these locks. That article was written before any picks for them were available. I watched with growing concern as LPL brought his disk detainer pick to market.
Designing and building a novel unpickable lock is a huge mountain to climb. He’s up against the cumulative experience of 150 years of financially-motivated lock designers. I bet it’s turned him into a reclusive basement troll.
What they don't tell you is that the black keyhole cover will collect water and freeze up solid. To use this lock in the winter you need to remove the keyhole cover assembly and use a piece of inner tube over the keyhole. You also need to disassemble the lock, grease the latches with synthetic grease, thin out the synthetic grease with mineral spirts and then inject the mixture into the keyhole. The mineral spirits will evaporate and leave the synthetic grease inside the lock and help protect it from freezing up. (I say this from experience.) If you don't do this your lock will freeze up! Graphite does NOT work!!! FYI, I have the NEW YORK FAHGETTABOUDIT MINI. I had problems with the lock freezing up until I greased it as described.
👍👍MORE Thumbs UP pls for this comment! A good man that took the time to write an actual good guide unlike NYT. (i dont have the lock and dont need something like it but can appreciate the comment nor the less)
@@solitudessilentgroove The keyhole cover freezing is only part of the issue. I'v had the latches freeze up, which takes considerably more heat to unfreeze. That is when I started using synthetic grease on the latches and haven't had a problem since.
This is what most manufacturers do, right? A capacitor broke, manufacturer says it's unrepairable, you have to order a replacement mainboard with cpu, gpu, ram, and flash on it, basically 60% of a computer. While at Louis Rossman it costs 20$ to replace the capacitor.
iPhone: You'll have to buy a new $50 charger Android: Don't worry - I have 20 other devices lying around the place that use the exact same charger standard so I'm sure I have one lying around
The lock pick way around this lock is fast. A small hydraulic cutter is faster. The only benefit to picking a bike lock is if you could rekey and sell it with the bike.
@@packetjanitor If you can pick the lock relatively quickly, you're less likely to attract attention from passers-by - the lockpick is shielded from sight and you look like just another bike user struggling with a badly-lubricated or rusty lock.
@@samarthprabhu5214 1) have to halt the production line 2) change the tooling 3) gain little or no additional sales for their trouble The general public (the vast majority of their sales) doesn't know, or care, about the difference.
@@Braveskin not sure out of my head I just recently got a starterset with simple tools and a few looks for my birthday haven't really started yet either
You're able to pick these locks quickly in a quiet relaxed environment. I'd be curious how quick you or bike thieves can pick these locks in an outdoor space with people around, city noise, and the threat of the bike owner returning at any moment.
You'd be surprised how little stress a bike thief is under. Watching videos of undercover bike theft videos, you get to see how brazen and nonchalant they are. Partly because no one besides the actual owner of the bike cares while they pull, cut, and jostle making all kinds of noise. Also, if/when the owner shows up, they just walk away. You can make a scene, call them out, but good luck detaining them. Cops treat bike theft like it's a low level crime and that plays into their mentality.
@@etoradamaley4713 i agree...u just need 3 methods to lock bike...u lock,cable lock n alarm thats the best way if your in a grocery store n will be there over 15 minutes
All the bike theft videos I've watched nobody picked the lock. They used bolt cutters or a strong pull on flimsy 🔐. So these two locks would deter a thief.
So many people say this. My dentists have never chatted with me. It's just like "Hi Nick, let me jam this needle in your gums and start cutting immediately with a dead serious face"
One key thing to remember here is that, with normal locks, they can often be picked using rudimentary tools. Even a bent paperclip can often be used as a lockpick, and a small screwdriver as a tensioning wrench, or a simple rake / bump attack. Disc detainer cores have the advantage that they require a special pick to open; they CANNOT be picked with improvised tools.
Fyi you can totally pick a disk detainer locks with bent paperclips of the same quality of pin tumbler locks you can pick with the same. I have picked cheap disk locks by cutting a notch in the tip of a turning tool on disk one and using a bent paperclips flag to turn the disks.
In your videos you are giving very exact instructions to the thiefs, with all necessary details. So this is educational video for non-professional thiefs. You could deliver the information in different way without doing such a harm!
This is under the "Why you should trust us" section of that article: "In addition, we made arrangements to get in touch with a lock-picking group, and we visited on a night with a presentation on high-security disc-detainer locks. The meeting was in an unmarked room in an unmarked building, and everyone who gave a presentation used their Def Con code names." Nothing more trustworthy than unnamed sources in unnamed locations. A clandestine visit to a secret lockpicking group while apparently not taking a couple seconds to go look up disc detainer locks on CZcams.
You could honestly pick these in broad daylight, and if people asked, you could convince them that was the key that came with the lock and it’s just tough to use.
Did you see the one where he picked a lock using just a piece of condom wrapper? (It was the lock for a chastity cage, he was using something that might be handy in that situation)
Disc Pick, aka Sparrows Disc Detainer Lock Pick Set by Bosnian Bill & LPL and who knows how many other names it goes by is ~$55 - $125, according to a quick search I just did, when they're available. These two guys are the bane of anyone that dares think or say or market that their lock(s) are unpickable, and we enjoy them showing us their skills.
Even though LPL crushes these locks super quick, most people aren't walking around with the pick Bosnian Bill and LPL made and even of those who are few have the skill to use it. These locks are still solid excellent choices.
@@jimfeldman4035 Yeah, absolutely no one is going to pick a bike lock when those exist for so cheap. In other words, the key hole is not the weakpoint of these locks.
@@cmmartti LPL has already covered in other videos that these locks specifically are also really resistant to angle-grinders, so if that's the concern then these are really solid picks.
Thanks because i have lost 9 bikes in a year to thieving bike thieves...i appreciate you sharing this information and experiences...it sure has helped me in a positive way...thanks again...
That's why I got the hip lock 10mm chain with 12 mm shackle wear as waist belt Gold standard with cable and front alarm disk lock and Kryptonite d lock ! All these only buy time NO LOCK CHAIN IS UNOPENABLE ! thank you fast work impressive !
I am a scientist. In my field there are certain mathematical tools which are unfortunately unknown. So when I reviewed a paper using them, even in a way I disapproved, I let it go through. The LPL attitude towards that article reminded me of mine and I think he is correct to encourage discussion about security even if they are shallow by his standards.
It's simple, just insert the photon displacement apprentice inside the vibranium coupling module and adjust the quantum neutrino parameters until a critical antimatter flux ratio is achieved. And that's how you pick the kryptonite lock!
I have the Kryptonite Evolution along with a chain lock (the Hiplok Gold, which is hefty although I’m not sold on the core itself - would love to see a review!). As part of an overall security strategy it’s not a bad choice, though anything is more vulnerable on its own. Remember, it’s about outrunning the other campers, not the bear.
I love and hate these videos. I bought an ebike and immediately started looking for recommendations for a good lock on CZcams. I came across the LPL and it seems like there is not any good locks, I don’t think he has ever not been able to pick a lock. So 2 years later I still have not bought a lock, and when I ride I never leave the bike anywhere. Thanks LPL!
Great, so I’m lugging around a 2kg bike lock whilst touring (when I meticulously chose every other piece of kit based on weight), to discover although it may take a minute to remove with an angle grinder, it takes even less time to learn the tricks of your trade if you are a bike thief and just pick the lock. I suspect the £2k insurance Kryptonite offer is also void if picked (not that I expect they would pay out anyway no matter how much you do to protect yourself). Thanks for sharing. Although it provides thieves with a ‘how to’ guide, I guess they’d figure it out anyway and you’re helping to keep the bike lock industry innovative and on it’s feet.
How does it feel to be caught in the crossfire of keeping an industry "on its toes" and crooks stealing your expensive investment because info that didn't really need to be made widely available was made widely available so some guy could make money on CZcams?
@@fordguy8792 to be honest, I can only stay frustrated with “thieves” as it’s enviable knowledge will get out there, but you can only ‘hope’ the World becomes a nicer place, where all human beings respect one another... what are the chances.. Guess I’m a realist although I try my hardest to be a positron not a negatron 😊 On a similar subject... I have often wondered why certain shows explain in ‘great detail’ how killers are caught e.g. how GPS tracking is used and luminol to expose blood under UV light etc. I don’t see any benefit in the average Joe knowing how all that technology works.
Have to say I’m mixed on this video. On the one hand, it’s definitely informative on the venerable of these types of lock that are touted to be invincible. On the other hand, you just gave a how to on picking them. I guess the lesson here is lock your bike up the best you can knowing there is a small chance it will get ripped off. And check with your insurance representative to see if your bike is covered or not. If not get coverage, it’s cheap.
I remember years ago disc detainer locks were "unpickable". So you and BB design a tool to pick them. Now they're easily picked. That being said, do you feel you're having a positive impact on the world? Just asking.
They were never "unpickable" unless you're buying the propaganda along with the lock. The tools have been around for a while. They just designed a nicer one.
i own a Kryptonite evo chain lock for my bike and based my purchase off of this channel. at some point did LPL recommended it because it seemed "good enough" compared to a lot of other brands. Strangely enough this video made me feel even better about it. you need a special tool to pick it, very rare among thieves and not common even among locksmiths :)
The “forget about it” is a double entendre because if someone is a beginner in lock picking you can just forget about someone stealing it. Although if they know anything about lock picking you can forget about ever seeing your bike ever again.
"These are the cheapest quality disk detainer pick-" Wait, that's not the pick you and BosnianBill- "-it's the one that BosnianBill and I designed-" \*throws money at the screen*
Most bike thieves will try to cut or smash the lock. The Kryptonite products are built strongly to resist those kinds of attacks. If a bike thief had the work ethic to pick up the skills to learn lock picking they'd probably have found more profitable employment doing something legal instead - though in the specific case of the US that probably isn't true if their parents were poor.
I always admire how these videos seem to be done in one take. If that's true, that's quite a feat as they are so smooth and detailed. If it's not true, can we please get a blooper reel this coming April first?
@@momoware Yeah, which is unlikely, but not impossible. I've been practicing here, I can do Masterlocks easy, but not American Locks like the series 50. Much respect for LPL's abilities, takes a lot of feel.
How many bike thieves pick locks? These are opportunist drug addicts most of the time. They look for the cheapest lock and cut it. When they see that yellow tank of a lock they don't start picking it, they move on to something else.
I guess you're unfamiliar with the organized bike thieves. When I was young, there was a ring of bike thieves making life hell for us cyclists around here. It took years for the authorities to shut them down. It was probably them who stole one of mine bikes...but then, I didn't have the good sense to lock it to something immovable, so anyone with a vehicle large enough to toss a bike into could've done it.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague lord you cops sucked, wrench, GPS tracker, slide it down the tube of a bike and wait, cost me 185 bucks (counting a cheap bike lock) and about five hours of my life, dropped a tip off got my buddies bike back laughed as the police came and shut them down.
@@Dies1r4e where did you get a battery powered gps tracker that would fit in the tube? I've been searching for a while, all I found were kickstarters that never shipped or chinese ones that dont work.
@@c0llision771 look up ones that are suppose to mount to dog collars, its what I used. I had some other friends want to chip their bikes too, one of them had a weird carbon fiber affair that had a diamond shape so the round fob didn't fit down it, so I took the casing apart, found a bit of PVC that would fit the guts and the frame then put it back together inside and slid the whole thing in. you can also mount them inside the under side of the seats on most bikes.
Except...are they really? How much actual change are we seeing across the lock landscape, and how much of this info is just being used by criminals to make their jobs that much easier? LPL comments often about how lock design generally has stagnated for the past 100+ years.
He's also giving easy how tos for would be thieves. That's doing both. To Elmo, lock designs doesn't really need to change. There are very good known designs, but there are also lots of mistakes that manufacturers can make. Educating manufacturer in good lock designs would make locks much more secure, even without reinventing the wheel.
He's selling lock picking tools. It's like a arms dealer arming criminals. Yet you're fanboying for him. How can people be so pifitul? Why are you purposely ignoring that and trying to make him look like a good guy? Teaching how to pick locks isn't freaking awesome. It's a scummy thing to do, and you're one too for idolizing him
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess You would be right, except it 8s people like him who push the lock industry to make better locks. No lock will not do good things for any good people if criminals can pick or bypass it with much ease. The end result of his work is that we will have better locks and we will be safer. And I suggest you buy his lock picking tools. If you could pick any of your locks with simple raking or with a bump key,you need better locks. You are living under an illusion of safety.
What I appreciate about your videos is how clearly they demonstrate just how there is absolutely no progress and innovation in that whole lock-making industry. That whole industry is ripe for one start-up with a good, new, innovative locking mechanism and masterlock and all these lazy companies will just go down the drain.
That or lock security is not the stuff that those companies try to optimize. Cheap and barely good enough is what they are going for. I doubt a startup could go against the economies of scale, dubiously cheap oversea labor, and wide distribution network on which big companies rest. Instead they would most likely be bought as some kind of externalized private R&D, or would stay in a niche market for rich people.
I think the issue is thieves rarely go around picking these locks. It requires knowledge, skill, and specialized tools. It's much easier just to angle grind it down in a minute and that's what most thieves do. I think lock companies know this so don't spend a whole heap of time developing super fancy unpickable locks.
@lockpicking lawyer i would like to see how extreme emergency lockpicking you can do... I mean with paperclip 📎 or other common tools... We see a lot in movies... But you are the only one that can tell us if this is possible with modern lock. Thanks
I've been using the Kryptonite Revolution for about a year now. I like that it comes with a medium thickness wire that I to lock up the back tire as well. What I don't like is that despite using the key cap to keep dust and debris out of where the key goes in, every week or two of regular use some parts inside seize up and make it impossible to open with the key for a long time. Takes 15 minutes on average of toying with the thing to free whatever is jammed up and then it opens quickly and easily with the key as it should for awhile. I kind of want to buy these picking tools, both to practice developing picking skills, and also to see if it's easier to pick than to use the key when this internal seizing happens.
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LPL's greatest weapon, the pick he and bosnian bill made.
It's a name now, so it's The Pick Bosnian Bill and I made :D
It's designed now
we need a new category ..
Nah. It's the friendship he made along.
you meant "The Pick Bosnian Bill and I made(, which is now on sale)" xD
Oh cool that's my bike lock. Can't wait to have my trust in it destroyed in 1 minute flat.
don't worry, my bike with it was already stolen a while back lmao
Insurance....
@@davidwebb4904 bycycles have insurance?
@@sobhaks7231 if you it, you can get it. Insurance companies will insure anything, for a price.
How much is your bike worth, out of curiosity 😁 And where do you usually park it? Asking for a friend....
The fact it took you 30 seconds to pick this is honestly a ringing endorsement of this type of lock.
Another thing to bear in mind is that you’re supposed to try to lock up the bike in a way that makes the keyway difficult to access.
Fiddling around with a bike lock for that long on the sidewalk would look pretty sus
@@indianakernick3788 Then again, bystanders don't give a fuck and are too scared to do anything most of the time.
Yeh its pathetic, halfords are selling these for £60!
@@musclegeek1991 On a city parked motorcycles I face my lock in a position that makes using the key difficult, which has worked well since on more than one occasion someone tried to steal a bike I had U-locked.
NYT updated their article: "In February 2021, a CZcams expert who goes by the name LockPickingLawyer posted a video in which he said that tools for picking disc-detainer locks were becoming more common-in fact, he designed one himself that’s now available online and that he used to open our top pick in 46 seconds and our upgrade pick in 58 seconds. Given that the brute-force methods we tried took even less time to destroy a lock, though, we remain less worried about lock picking than we do about bolt cutters and angle irons."
Between "angle irons" and the ambiguous phrase that can imply that LPL designed a disc detainer lock and not a pick, im really hoping this isn't a direct quote from the NYT because these typos are SOMETHING
That's dumb, those other methods are way too violent, why not taking the whole rake of bikes parked and throwing it into a van? The dangers of picking is that it's a lot smoother and doesn't grab unnecessary attention. Following this line of thought, angle grinder will always win eventually. Silly.
@@ilmpyt but they're right. Criminals normally cut through bike locks, not pick them. If you want a truly unpickable bike lock get a forever lock. Just because it can't be picked doesn't make it the most secure lock ever.
@@ilmpyt no-one cares about attention aside from the opportunistic thief, which a zip tie would likely protect against. Proper criminals will battery angle grinder the thing off, or use battery powered hydraulic cutters now available.
@@DoctorChainedI know two dudes that steal bikes with these tools now in broad daylight lol, can't do that with an angle grinder
"Nobody had the correct tools"
LPL: I guess they didn't buy the pick Bosnianbill and I made.
As a professional locksmith and hobbyist lockpicker, no, they don't. It's not financially worthwhile to buy this tool because we so very rarely deal with them in the field, and truth be told, we usually wind up just cutting them off. I have one that I bought with my own money, and it lives on my desk at home, because when I told my boss about it, his response was that it was waste of money for a toy I don't need.
They've been out of stock for how long?
@@terravarious weeks? Months? I'll admit, it can be difficult to lay your hands on one.
@@larper8or851 The last time it was stocked. they ran out in minutes, and that tooks them more than about 5 months to make more
@@larper8or851 As a professional, how much of what LPL does do you think is realistic, and is there anything about him that uninformed audiences don't really pick up?
After picking 5000 disc detainer cores, LPL has finally unlocked the Carbon Black skin for the pick that he and Bosnian Bill made
That's the factory colour for the ones mass produced by sparrows.
You must be a blast at parties lol
@@johndododoe1411 You forgot the "Ackchyually"
Gold skin when?
@@butterlerpunch that's a DLC, and LPL is smarter than getting fooled into microtransactions
I just checked the article and they have updated it to no longer call these locks unpickable, but rather “...should foil all but the most savvy criminal using specialty tools.”
That mean they watched this. Good for them.
Hi dad
" but the most savvy criminal using specialty tools.”, a.k.a LPL
Well, LPL took more then 10 second to pick each of them… Thieves are probably taking the bolt cutter.
"both sides" new york times strikes again
The anxiety I have watching this video, while I sit in a doctors office knowing my electric bike is locked up with one of these locks across the street is palpable
just face the keyhole away in a way that makes it inconvenient to pick
make if face towards a wall or downwards, include a chain and another lock. Especially with an e-bike, where weight matters less I would go with 2-3 locks connected with one another. That means you'd have to pick multiples in different angles or you'd have to brute force multiple ... both is something a thief is absolutely not looking for.
@@LipziG3R
Impractical to a Dasher
Someone: disk detainer can't be picked
Lpl: how many times do I need to teach you this lesson, old man?
They know it can be picked, they just want to see the tool that BosnianBill & LPL made.
I once saw a thief outside of my house trying to rake my neighbour's cheap DD lock with a rake then proceed to switch to a dimple lock rake and try again...
@asdrubale bisanzio Sponge Bob references are the best! LOL
LPL's the Old Master though, so I think it'd more "You have much to learn, Grasshopper."
There aren't mechanical locks that cannot be picked. As long as it can be opened with a key, it can be opened.
The difference is just whether you can readily get the tool to pick it, and the skill required to pick.
NYT: nobody has the tools to pick these.
The tool that BosniAnBill and I made has enter the chat.
NYT: shit...
I laughed at this way too much then i should
It's funny.. But on the other hand, if you go to a lockpicking meetup and nobody has the tool let alone the skills to use it, it does say something about the real world chance of yours getting picked..
yeah but really, pretty much nobody outside of some locksmiths and a really hardcore subset of the locksport community has the tools or skills to open these.
NYT : Did I just hear Boss music?
Kryptonite Lock design Dept: why do we hear boss music?
LPL: mass-produces the tool that Bosnian Bill and he made
Lock companies: *oh god*
**raises his hands and looks towards the horizon** "Behold!!"
**as regiments of disc retainer picks march past below his position**
All the Locks Companies left the chat
And normal people are caught in the cross fire.
@@shantygaming694 you could already buy a pick for disk detainer picks for about 5 bucks (iirc, I actually saw one once on wal-mart's online store). they were just a lot crappier, or more expensive and custom-made.
@@shantygaming694 Yeah seriously, fuck LPL, I want my bike back.
I think lock companies should use LPL as a way to test their locks before putting them on the market. If the lock lasts more than a minute with him, it’s basically invincible against anyone else
It's actually already happening. Some companies send him the prototype locks to mess with so he can come up with improvement suggestions.
Must be pretty upsetting for the engineers to spend months designing a model to watch it get picked in 3 seconds
@@capisenior Honestly, that would just mean they suck.
Yeah i don't think the LPL understands just how much better he is than the rest of us at picking locks. Although i will say that back when we were bad kids we robbed soda machines with a tube pick made out of a bullet casing rubber bands and Bobby pins. I think it was..38cal lmao good times
If it was inexpensive and easy to do a lock tike that, they would. But it is not.
"Relatively safe *for now* "
Gotta love how he's directly responsible for that "for now" lol
thing is, it is only the normal person who just learned this now, a good bike thief probably has this already down.
@@gergokerekes4550 WAY to slow for a bike thief! Battery powered saws all with a carbide blade. 👍
@@gergokerekes4550 that's not a thing. the thing is what the OP posted, and he's right
@@psychedalek those are totally things. I sell four different brands in the hardware store where I work.
@@bigd7861 well at a point you might as well sew whatever the bike is locked to
“Say the line Bart!”
“The pick that BosnianBill and I made.”
“YAAAAAAAAAAY”
I sometimes wonder if he just uses samples of his old videos for 'the line'..
@@johnsmith1926 Not on this one! Today he said "The pick BosnianBill and I DESIGNED". Cheeky bastard.
I didn’t do it
Honestly, at least around here, as long as the lock doesn't basically fall open the only thing that matters about it is how thick and hard the metal is. Bike theft is incredibly common and the locks are pretty much never picked; they're always broken into using bolt cutters or an angle grinder. Lock pick resistance doesn't matter a ton when you can cut any lock in under 5 minutes with a handheld battery operated angle grinder. Even if someone sees a thief in the act they're finished by the time cops show up (happened last year right outside my building).
Essentially all bike locks function to be secure enough to force the sort of person who steals bikes to use an angle grinder.
I had my kriptonite ev 4 u-lock picked in the ground floor garage of the condo... In Europe picking is not that uncommon.
I am a bit skeptical that bike theft is "incredibly common." what kinds of bikes and what value?
@@toonman361 In the past two years I have had a downhil bike stollen form our basement worth of 3000€ MSRP, a carbon road bike stolen near a train station at 2200 € MSRP Both of these were locked with krypronie ev. U-locks. I also had a 300€ MSRP fixie stolen also at a train station but it was locked with a less secure lock. All three of these thefts happened in Switzerland. I would say bike theft is quite common.
@@toonman361 just any bike. just any bike...
NY article: "Nobody can open this lock"
LPL: and I took it personally!
well that article might have caused those locks to become even less secure due to the NY article saying they are unpickable.
@@yumri4 yeah! Lol😂
Came here for this comment alone. :)
Never believe anything the NYT says. They are fake news.
@@poyed88 I think it's a trend with every "XYZ times" news.
2 locks in 4 minutes, and he spends 1 min talking.
Damm that poor author
Even worse, it's nearly 2 minutes before he moves the disks as far as they can go.
@@Zaapiel22 clockwise!
Still a good survival time, against LPL
that author was paid to write a kryptonite as, and he did so successfully.
@@Nachtwind7 Do you have a better recommendation, or are you just one of those cynical morons who thinks nothing is genuine anymore?
NYT: "These are the best."
LPL: And I took that personally...
NYT lied as easily as they didn't pay their line writers masquerading as journalists.
@@aserta NYT truly is the worst anime girl.
Why would he take it personally? A best lock does exist... Dipshit. Stop trying to force shitty memes into every comment that you write.
@@aserta It's not a lie, what's a better bike lock out there in the same price range? Plus if you read their articles, they say they're the best for "most consumers" not the best possible option out there.
@@BlackIndigenousPosse he took it personally cause they said they weren't pickable dipshit. And you know he's a lock picker.
I would love to see a top-10 list of bike locks with good cores. I need to replace my old Master lock that LPL picked with a toothpick while blindfolded under water.
the toothpick he designed with Bosnian Bill? that's a fine toothpick right there
You forgot the part about trying to break into the sharks bike while the shark was watching.
"These are relatively safe for now..." until the lockpick I designed catches on among thieves.
Or they come out with faster saws...
@@aralornwolf3140 That's hardened steel. Only an angle grinder can cut it.
In a previous video about one of these, he mentioned that the manufacturer or the media did a test of leaving a bike secured with it in NYC unattended for several days, and it was still there, with traces of a few cutting attempts.
@@ivan_pozdeev_u ,
Faster angle cutters then, lol.
@@aralornwolf3140 angle grinders aren’t the most covert technique to break open a lock. They’re very loud and create a lot of bright sparks when cutting steel. A ‚faster‘ grinder wouldn’t really do you much good, since it would worsen said issues.
@@TheDonutMan3000 ,
Yes... the bike would still be stolen, right?
"These tools are not hard to get, they are inexpensive, and the skills are easy to develop"
Says the man who developed the tool in question, gave the design away to keep it inexpensive, and publishes widely watched how to videos ;)
Bike owner: 🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭😭😭
As much as I do enjoy these videos, that aspect of them has me baffled
@@granitedreamer3405 Right ? I do enjoy watching these, but every time he gives an easy trick to open a common lock i think "dude how many bikes are going to get stolen thanks to this".
@@Shaoraka there's actually a reason people do this. see, the idea is that if you show the companies what they did wrong, eventually they'll fix their crap. in the economy we have, doing this lights a fire under the lock company's ass. the more he does this, the tighter security will get, thus people's belongings will be safer. it's a "this is going to be hell for people today, but the people of the future are going to be better for it" kind of thing, it's much like exercise. it hurts now, but we'll all be better for it later.
@@dreyvinnash And I get that, no problem, it's just that I know for a fact that quite a few tricks he gave as far back as 1 or 2 years back are still usable simply because the companies don't care. If they even saw it, they didn't act on it.
I absolutely support the idea, just sometimes it doesn't work and then it does the opposite.
04:12 So these locks _were_ fairly secure until LPL and Bosnian Bill designed and marketed a tool to defeat them.
There is other disc detainer picks on the market, most are more expensive though.
@@420jessw and often less versatile, the efforts BB and LPL put into the design and improving it made for what they saw as experienced pickers as necessary in a disc detainer pick makes for a very nice little pick that is easy to use and decode with compared to most other offerings.
You could use a 5 dollar one and just sand it down.
"Strange that nobody has heard of this very common tool that I designed"
There are other professional tools out there, that will do the same thing,...his is just the most inexpensive quality tool.
Yea he doesn't claim to have invented the pick, thats just the one they made and are selling he's using his channel as a plug for his business its a smart move
@@sourkeys8136 They gave away the design, he's not making money off of it.
@@Alex-ve1og Just because you give your designs away to the public, that doesnt mean you cant make money off your design. The grand majority of people dont have the tooling to make this tool so they will buy it. Where are they most likely to buy it? Well from whatever website you recomend and are affiliated with. Want proof? Check out Joreg Sprave's Adder and Ferris weapons.
@@mementomori4972 I went on sparrows and it's not on there help
Clearly your picking skills are in the top 1% tier. If bike thieves had your skills, they would not be bike thieves. The yellow lock saved my bicycle from theft vs an angle grinder.
I have the yellow one too, and i agree someone with the skills to pick it this quickly woud be targeting much higher value things than bikes or motorbikes.
You clearly dont watch his videos a lot do you? When he reviewed these individually he stated quite clearly they are very resitant to angle grinders
@@sideshow101101
LPL is a seasoned lockpicker. He's picked thousands, if not tens of thousands of different types of lock cores. Even with that, it took him 40 seconds to open the orange one. Someone without his level of skill and prowess would take a great deal of time to open this lock, if they could even do it at all.
You would be surprised at how talented criminals can be.
Strongly agree, nice to hear this about the lock.
he is so damn polite in his roasting.
it's an art-form...
or just the quintessence of sadism...
He is a lawyer. He can imply things about your mom, dad and farm animals and it will still sound like a compliment 😎
@@HansLasser Well, his adventures regarding his girlfriend's backdoor breaking and entering didn't seem a so subtle choice of words ... [1071] Getting In My Ex-Girlfriend’s Back Door
It's shocking that he tries to defend a "professional journalist" who could have just used a Google search. Then ends up roasting them anyways. I mean seriously who expects anything less from the New York Trash?
@@philpeko1796 that was an April fools joke. It was meant to be obvious
The comments section on the NYT site, “have you seen this vid”.
They disabled comments on the article lolololol
@@galloway_joseph oof that sucks
Not everyone can take being questioned or getting critique. 😉😄
@@74jojo Especially the New York Times
@@galloway_joseph Not true, just accept the cookies
Imagine going to the locksmith and trying to find the "pick that Bosnian Bill and I made"
Imagine going to a locksmith and asking for *any* lockpicking tool. It used to be that it was pretty difficult to buy lockpicks in the US. Now?...easy as pie.
Imagine going to a store and asking for something that they're selling in the store.
Most locksmith's shops don't carry these types of tools for retail customers.
I'm certain they have tons of them for their own usage but, selling them to prospective customers would defeat the function that the locksmith's provides.
You don't want people doing everything for themselves that you can do for them for a price.
Imagine going to Wal-Mart to buy a bicycle and you leave with a Lithium Ion 4 inch disk grinder instead.
@@JohnHoranzy thats so funny and sad it makes me cry... as an ebike owner
I have these locks for my bike ( along with a Dutch wheel lock) it is actually quite reassuring that it would take someone with this level of skill this long to get them both off.
And bike thieves will probably steal a bike that hasn't got one of these locks first.
After my ebike was stolen, I wouldn't trust a Krptonite lock again, they can be cut very quickly with angle grinders.
@@manoz6194 What did you determine works better?
@ccederlo I got a Litelok X1. Hiplock also do one called the D1000 but the Litelok shackle has more room
I guess you could say Kryptonite's Kryptonite is *_"the pick that BosnianBill and he made"_*
It's "The pick that BosnianBill and *I* made".
@@_vicary did you make it?
@@imprincesswolfy2565 well that's why it's written in quotes...
LPL recognizing the efforts of writers and going easy on them.
Just adding some common sense to the equation really. There is no better product for the money in the bike lock space that I'm aware of. There's stuff out there that's as good, but nothing better.
@@peglor For ones you can buy in stores, Abus Granit X-Plus 540 is generally better rated. And there are several custom made bike locks in the $100-200 range that are better than that.
Although I looked it up and LPL picked the ABUS with his special tool in about 58 seconds!
it's the wise word of the lawyer, he doesn't want to have to deal with an NYT lawsuit . But we can feel what he thinks and what he won't say today...
@@KNHSynths A lawsuit? For what? Criticizing? Contradicting? Newspapers aren't nearly as litigious as you seem to think.
Was just sold the orange lock and the guy told me it was "basically unbreakable and unpickable". Thank you for letting me know I need to be more safe about where (and how long) I leave my locked bike than I recently have been. At least I also use a secondary wheel lock.
Kryptonite higher ups are screaming after seeing this guy effortlessly pick their bike locks.
Nah they’re not because I doubt they’re putting much effort into it
he did the same thing a few years ago and nothing has changed, except with this tool picking them is even quicker lmao
Hello, this is The Lockpicking Lawyer and I'm in an unmarked room of an unmarked building...
...playing this tape recorder that will self-destruct in five seconds after it finishes playing...
Im pretty sure both the room and the building were marked, or they would have been if the story were true. Like the building has an address, and they probably (didnt) meet in room 3b. That story is complete BS.
@@mikehawk3472 I'm assuming "unmarked room of an unmarked building" meant that the author of the article didn't specify what conference it was or where it was, not literally an unmarked room in an unmarked building
"I didn't have keys for this building or this room, but the locks were very common."
Wirecutter does a good job at picking a really good option for most of the public, most of the time. You did good job explaining the fallability of Wirecutter, too, all while stating they had a tough job. I'm still thinking that most thieves don't carry your tool with them. Good job!
Most are carrying bolt cutters or battery-powered saws.
I really love Wirecutter and trust when they say "this is the best value...(whatever)". I also appreciate LPL ensuring that I understand lock security is just a matter of time, skill, tools and level of destruction...
There are a lot of bicycles for sale in the area where I live and it looks like there’s a bicycle for every child in this area both size and style. I know for a fact the individual selling them does not buy them one at a time off of people he buys them off of people from a large city 8 or 10 at a time from people who do carry tools, I also think from people who have plausible deny-ability. Happens a lot along the coast where there are tourists and on the East Coast the bikes come out of major cities like New York city.
@@lairdcummings9092 Fastbikes did a test years ago with a couple motorcycle thieves that had been released from jail. They opened even lock in less than 30 second with a 10 ton porta power. The only thing they avoided was a disk lock because you couldn't get the portapower ram on it. Cordless grinders render those useless, but make noise. The advantage of the porta power is that it's also quiet.
At the end of the test they apologized for being so slow, but the ram the editor supplied was a sloppy piece of crap.
The only reason to pick a lock is to cover up the fact that it was opened. There is almost always a low skill brute force attack to any lock.
@@terravarious exactly. Brute force is crude, but fast.
Grinders and saws are noisy, but portable, concealable, cheap, and fast enough. A portable hydraulic cutter is faster and quieter, but heavier, and a more difficult to conceal.
Trade-off; you choose your target, style, and tool.
I like this guy: In a roundabout way he tells other lockpickers, they should buy his lockpick, to be wellrounded, then he tells bicycle thieves that they need to buy his lockpick, which could lead to more work for him as a lawyer (if he does criminal law) and finally he implys that the lock producing company should hire him to consult on how to make better locks, and he is nice about it.
Wow, what a great "how to" demonstrattion. I bought this tool too and tried several hours to to pick my own locks too (same products). Finaly your way, how you exactly grab and handle the lock and tool was the key !! Thanks a lot
Kryptonite: *I fear no man*
Kryptonite _looking at the tool that Bosnian Bill and LPL made_
Kryptonite: *but that thing, it scares me*
:O one of these that are actually mentioning an object, *finally*
Kryptonite's kryptonite.
It's "The pick that BosnianBill and I made".
When he picks the locks faster than I've seen some people open them with a regular key... that's just scary.
Joke's on him, my old kryptonite is so beat up that it takes 30 tries to open it with the key. I can't imagine trying to pick that
@@bengerber4542 I’m not sure your assumption that a pick would be slower is correct here
@@bengerber4542 get some graphite for that lock. A little bit of grease could take you a long way.
One time it took me so long to open my lock with the key that I walked away because people started to look warily. Luckily I managed to open it 15 minutes later :D
Thank you for keeping tools used to steal bikes nice and cheap.
I love how he makes tools and gives tips for locksmiths and regular citizens, but at the same time he is giving criminals the exact right tools and the best tips and skills to pick locks.
At this point I’m like one of Pavlov’s dogs and start salivating when the phrase “disc detainer” is uttered ... building up the tension waiting for “turn everything clockwise” and finally the payoff “TDDPTBBAIM”
TDDPTBBAIM how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like meee
Yes. Thats exactly it
Wdym by TDDPTBBAIM
@@viquezug3936 “the disk detainer pick that Bosnian Bill and I made” is a frequently appearing tool on this channel
@@viquezug3936 The disc detainer pick that Bosnian Bill and I made
"It's like taking your car to a mechanic who doesn't have the right wrench sizes, and concluding that your car can't be fixed."
Lol
Pretty much
Well, if most mechanics don't have it, that makes it pretty tricky to have your car fixed.
@@ivan_pozdeev_u tricky but not hard to find someone who does have the tool needed
I feel like this actually happens a lot, but more often with individual parts and not the entire car. It definitely happens with bike parts, electronics, and home appliances.
I mean a pick that’s relatively cheap and available on Amazon isn’t exactly a collectors item, this shouldn’t be marketed as pickproof it it is
I feel that you were being polite and generous to the NYT journalist who wrote the article...
...I hope that the Times journalist gets a chance to watch your library of videos.
I know this was two years ago but i need a recommendation for a bike lock and this dude is the first place to go
"Disc-detainer core."
Oop. He's gonna say it. =D
It's so heart-warming.
"The first thing we're going to do is rotate all the discs as far _clockwise_ as they will go..."
HE SAID IT! HE SAID IT!
*Thumbnail of two Kryptonite bike locks*
He’s gonna say it.
I bought the one on the right, well aware of it's weakness to picking. However whenever locking a bike it's good practice to orientate the key hole downward (close to the ground) and in an awkward position such as next to the frame so that it is difficult to get hands or tools infront of the keyhole, and taking purchase on two parts of the frame so that the lock can't be rotated more horizontal.
SMART.
Is there a video somewhere of what you described?
@@aayotechnology probably varies by bike. When you lock your bike up, consider what you’re locking it to, and how you can make it inconvenient for a thief to steal. Anything that would make them spend more time, or cause them a hassle would make them inclined to find an easier target.
@@charlesrodriguez491 if is close to the ground they can easily open by metal scissors ;). Doesn't matter how hard is you lock. They will step on the metal scissors and cut it ;)
@@rdkbialek Not that lock , it won't fit and it won't cut it .
I own one of these locks. That article was written before any picks for them were available. I watched with growing concern as LPL brought his disk detainer pick to market.
Thanks for making this video. I just bought one of those locks for over $100 so I’m a little upset but I’m glad you gave me the knowledge.
When will we get the unpickable lock made by Stuff Made Here?
I haven’t received it. 🤷🏻♂️
Damn! I’m waiting for that too!
Yes, I eagerly am anticipating that video.
I think he was going to make an improved version first but I could be wrong
Designing and building a novel unpickable lock is a huge mountain to climb. He’s up against the cumulative experience of 150 years of financially-motivated lock designers. I bet it’s turned him into a reclusive basement troll.
LPL: "There are both reasonable locks, that I think represent a decent security value"
Kryptonite CEO: Stonks!!
HODL
Wow, this this site looks fantastic for training thieves up on different locks. 4 million plus subscribers!!
Thanks for evaluating the article! I read them all the time!
LPL: There's nothing inherently tricky about these locks..
Kryptonite: WE MADE IT PAST 4 MINUTES BOYS!
Also Kryptonite: oh! 2 locks. Never mind then.
2 locks and a 1 min intro.
What they don't tell you is that the black keyhole cover will collect water and freeze up solid. To use this lock in the winter you need to remove the keyhole cover assembly and use a piece of inner tube over the keyhole. You also need to disassemble the lock, grease the latches with synthetic grease, thin out the synthetic grease with mineral spirts and then inject the mixture into the keyhole. The mineral spirits will evaporate and leave the synthetic grease inside the lock and help protect it from freezing up. (I say this from experience.) If you don't do this your lock will freeze up! Graphite does NOT work!!! FYI, I have the NEW YORK FAHGETTABOUDIT MINI. I had problems with the lock freezing up until I greased it as described.
Or use your car ...
@@candidmoe8741 Brilliant idea! As a nice side-effect, global worming will then also solve the icing issue once and for all!
👍👍MORE Thumbs UP pls for this comment! A good man that took the time to write an actual good guide unlike NYT. (i dont have the lock and dont need something like it but can appreciate the comment nor the less)
I've been able to unfreeze locks by putting my mouth over the keyhole and blowing into it.
Not ideal but can work in a pinch.
@@solitudessilentgroove The keyhole cover freezing is only part of the issue. I'v had the latches freeze up, which takes considerably more heat to unfreeze. That is when I started using synthetic grease on the latches and haven't had a problem since.
Biggest nightmare: wake up during the night to some noise in my front door 'click out of two... click out of four...'
You: my phone broke
Your friend: it looks perfectly fine to me
You: well I don’t have the right charger
This is what most manufacturers do, right? A capacitor broke, manufacturer says it's unrepairable, you have to order a replacement mainboard with cpu, gpu, ram, and flash on it, basically 60% of a computer. While at Louis Rossman it costs 20$ to replace the capacitor.
iPhone: You'll have to buy a new $50 charger
Android: Don't worry - I have 20 other devices lying around the place that use the exact same charger standard so I'm sure I have one lying around
Just adding some false gates would be a game-changer. Why don't they do that, since they're already stamping/pressing the discs already?
That's not how you make money. You make money by selling locks, not heirloom fortresses.
The lock pick way around this lock is fast. A small hydraulic cutter is faster. The only benefit to picking a bike lock is if you could rekey and sell it with the bike.
@@packetjanitor What locks would withstand that cutter anyway?
@@packetjanitor If you can pick the lock relatively quickly, you're less likely to attract attention from passers-by - the lockpick is shielded from sight and you look like just another bike user struggling with a badly-lubricated or rusty lock.
@@samarthprabhu5214 1) have to halt the production line 2) change the tooling 3) gain little or no additional sales for their trouble
The general public (the vast majority of their sales) doesn't know, or care, about the difference.
thanks to this channel I started lockpicking myself
Wait... what.
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@@Braveskin not sure out of my head I just recently got a starterset with simple tools and a few looks for my birthday haven't really started yet either
You're able to pick these locks quickly in a quiet relaxed environment. I'd be curious how quick you or bike thieves can pick these locks in an outdoor space with people around, city noise, and the threat of the bike owner returning at any moment.
You'd be surprised how little stress a bike thief is under. Watching videos of undercover bike theft videos, you get to see how brazen and nonchalant they are. Partly because no one besides the actual owner of the bike cares while they pull, cut, and jostle making all kinds of noise. Also, if/when the owner shows up, they just walk away. You can make a scene, call them out, but good luck detaining them. Cops treat bike theft like it's a low level crime and that plays into their mentality.
@@etoradamaley4713 i agree...u just need 3 methods to lock bike...u lock,cable lock n alarm thats the best way if your in a grocery store n will be there over 15 minutes
All the bike theft videos I've watched nobody picked the lock. They used bolt cutters or a strong pull on flimsy 🔐. So these two locks would deter a thief.
Gotta ask. In a serious tone. Don't you think thieves watch you?
He sounds like a dentist when they are checking your teeth.
Especially at 2:29
So many people say this. My dentists have never chatted with me. It's just like "Hi Nick, let me jam this needle in your gums and start cutting immediately with a dead serious face"
@@kaldo_kaldo lmao
Click out of first canine, click out of two… number three feels loose 😂😂😂😂
One key thing to remember here is that, with normal locks, they can often be picked using rudimentary tools. Even a bent paperclip can often be used as a lockpick, and a small screwdriver as a tensioning wrench, or a simple rake / bump attack. Disc detainer cores have the advantage that they require a special pick to open; they CANNOT be picked with improvised tools.
Fyi you can totally pick a disk detainer locks with bent paperclips of the same quality of pin tumbler locks you can pick with the same. I have picked cheap disk locks by cutting a notch in the tip of a turning tool on disk one and using a bent paperclips flag to turn the disks.
In your videos you are giving very exact instructions to the thiefs, with all necessary details. So this is educational video for non-professional thiefs. You could deliver the information in different way without doing such a harm!
Welcome to Security by Obscurity 101. Because knowledge on the Internet is easily suppressed.
This is under the "Why you should trust us" section of that article:
"In addition, we made arrangements to get in touch with a lock-picking group, and we visited on a night with a presentation on high-security disc-detainer locks. The meeting was in an unmarked room in an unmarked building, and everyone who gave a presentation used their Def Con code names."
Nothing more trustworthy than unnamed sources in unnamed locations. A clandestine visit to a secret lockpicking group while apparently not taking a couple seconds to go look up disc detainer locks on CZcams.
You could honestly pick these in broad daylight, and if people asked, you could convince them that was the key that came with the lock and it’s just tough to use.
I would like you see you pick a lock with a paper clip... I know for some locks it's very easy. I've done it myself after a bit of patience.
he has, search his videos!
@Apache Longbow. I guess a chickenbone that he and LPL designed.
@@bertvdlast - underrated comment
Did you see the one where he picked a lock using just a piece of condom wrapper? (It was the lock for a chastity cage, he was using something that might be handy in that situation)
He definitely has done this. I’ve also seen him pick a lock with a lego man.
Thank you for this eye opener. Very helpful.
Disc Pick, aka Sparrows Disc Detainer Lock Pick Set by Bosnian Bill & LPL and who knows how many other names it goes by is ~$55 - $125, according to a quick search I just did, when they're available.
These two guys are the bane of anyone that dares think or say or market that their lock(s) are unpickable, and we enjoy them showing us their skills.
All you need for this type of bicycle lock is a specialised pick tool. Here's one I designed earlier. (with Bosnian Bill)
Even though LPL crushes these locks super quick, most people aren't walking around with the pick Bosnian Bill and LPL made and even of those who are few have the skill to use it. These locks are still solid excellent choices.
The skill most people should worry about is cordless angle grinders
@@jimfeldman4035 Yeah, absolutely no one is going to pick a bike lock when those exist for so cheap. In other words, the key hole is not the weakpoint of these locks.
@@cmmartti LPL has already covered in other videos that these locks specifically are also really resistant to angle-grinders, so if that's the concern then these are really solid picks.
@@sadbread2446 They are also resistant to jack attacks because of their small size.
Thanks because i have lost 9 bikes in a year to thieving bike thieves...i appreciate you sharing this information and experiences...it sure has helped me in a positive way...thanks again...
That's why I got the hip lock 10mm chain with 12 mm shackle wear as waist belt Gold standard with cable and front alarm disk lock and Kryptonite d lock ! All these only buy time NO LOCK CHAIN IS UNOPENABLE ! thank you fast work impressive !
When you're 3 minutes into a 4.5 minute video and he hasn't started picking either lock yet.
The "New-York-forget-about-it"-lock. Hilarious!
I am a scientist. In my field there are certain mathematical tools which are unfortunately unknown. So when I reviewed a paper using them, even in a way I disapproved, I let it go through.
The LPL attitude towards that article reminded me of mine and I think he is correct to encourage discussion about security even if they are shallow by his standards.
It's simple, just insert the photon displacement apprentice inside the vibranium coupling module and adjust the quantum neutrino parameters until a critical antimatter flux ratio is achieved. And that's how you pick the kryptonite lock!
I have the Kryptonite Evolution along with a chain lock (the Hiplok Gold, which is hefty although I’m not sold on the core itself - would love to see a review!). As part of an overall security strategy it’s not a bad choice, though anything is more vulnerable on its own. Remember, it’s about outrunning the other campers, not the bear.
1:42 is the part we all love
I love and hate these videos. I bought an ebike and immediately started looking for recommendations for a good lock on CZcams. I came across the LPL and it seems like there is not any good locks, I don’t think he has ever not been able to pick a lock. So 2 years later I still have not bought a lock, and when I ride I never leave the bike anywhere. Thanks LPL!
Great, so I’m lugging around a 2kg bike lock whilst touring (when I meticulously chose every other piece of kit based on weight), to discover although it may take a minute to remove with an angle grinder, it takes even less time to learn the tricks of your trade if you are a bike thief and just pick the lock. I suspect the £2k insurance Kryptonite offer is also void if picked (not that I expect they would pay out anyway no matter how much you do to protect yourself). Thanks for sharing. Although it provides thieves with a ‘how to’ guide, I guess they’d figure it out anyway and you’re helping to keep the bike lock industry innovative and on it’s feet.
How does it feel to be caught in the crossfire of keeping an industry "on its toes" and crooks stealing your expensive investment because info that didn't really need to be made widely available was made widely available so some guy could make money on CZcams?
@@fordguy8792 to be honest, I can only stay frustrated with “thieves” as it’s enviable knowledge will get out there, but you can only ‘hope’ the World becomes a nicer place, where all human beings respect one another... what are the chances.. Guess I’m a realist although I try my hardest to be a positron not a negatron 😊
On a similar subject... I have often wondered why certain shows explain in ‘great detail’ how killers are caught e.g. how GPS tracking is used and luminol to expose blood under UV light etc. I don’t see any benefit in the average Joe knowing how all that technology works.
So the question is: Have you contact NYT with a link to this video and offered to be a consultant on any lock-related matters for them?
Group of ‘professional’ lock-pickers: “Yeah, this can’t be picked.”
LPL: “Hold my scotch.”
It ought to be more like: Excuse me. I was not invited ... .
Have to say I’m mixed on this video. On the one hand, it’s definitely informative on the venerable of these types of lock that are touted to be invincible. On the other hand, you just gave a how to on picking them. I guess the lesson here is lock your bike up the best you can knowing there is a small chance it will get ripped off. And check with your insurance representative to see if your bike is covered or not. If not get coverage, it’s cheap.
Security through obscurity is never a good thing.
I remember years ago disc detainer locks were "unpickable". So you and BB design a tool to pick them. Now they're easily picked. That being said, do you feel you're having a positive impact on the world? Just asking.
They were never "unpickable" unless you're buying the propaganda along with the lock. The tools have been around for a while. They just designed a nicer one.
Instead of reading books to my kids at bedtime, I am gonna start an LPL playlist going and let his pleasant voice sooth them to sleep.
Thanks for the idea...I will try that tonight for myself :)
Lord knows it's how I pass out
Your kids will be eating their breakfast cereal paying careful attention to each spoonful.
kid muttering to self: "Nice crunch on one..."
"daddy for my b'day can i get the lockpick that lpl and bosnianbill made?"
i own a Kryptonite evo chain lock for my bike and based my purchase off of this channel. at some point did LPL recommended it because it seemed "good enough" compared to a lot of other brands.
Strangely enough this video made me feel even better about it. you need a special tool to pick it, very rare among thieves and not common even among locksmiths :)
unless the thieves find this video lol
The “forget about it” is a double entendre because if someone is a beginner in lock picking you can just forget about someone stealing it. Although if they know anything about lock picking you can forget about ever seeing your bike ever again.
LPL is like my go to channel for info about security locks.
"These are the cheapest quality disk detainer pick-"
Wait, that's not the pick you and BosnianBill-
"-it's the one that BosnianBill and I designed-"
\*throws money at the screen*
Can't wait to see how he destroys their credibility this time
What credibility?
Great content, you should make lock recommendation videos for different uses if you haven't already.
You picking locks reminds me of getting my eye glasses prescription at the eye doctor. “Click out of one, one, two, two feels good”
Yasss same “number one and number two, number one and number 2 ok great number 3 and number 4”
So from what I understand, unless you have the key or the right tools, these are good to use
"...for now."
Most bike thieves will try to cut or smash the lock. The Kryptonite products are built strongly to resist those kinds of attacks. If a bike thief had the work ethic to pick up the skills to learn lock picking they'd probably have found more profitable employment doing something legal instead - though in the specific case of the US that probably isn't true if their parents were poor.
I always admire how these videos seem to be done in one take. If that's true, that's quite a feat as they are so smooth and detailed. If it's not true, can we please get a blooper reel this coming April first?
Considering how long it took LPL to defeat these with a custom tool I would be fairly confident in picking either one of these.
I chose to read that twice. Something seemed off but I couldn't pick what.
@@KF1 Same the first time it reads like he is a better picker than LPL.
@@momoware Yeah, which is unlikely, but not impossible.
I've been practicing here, I can do Masterlocks easy, but not American Locks like the series 50. Much respect for LPL's abilities, takes a lot of feel.
How many bike thieves pick locks? These are opportunist drug addicts most of the time. They look for the cheapest lock and cut it. When they see that yellow tank of a lock they don't start picking it, they move on to something else.
It's still not pick proof. That's misleading. It's just not gonna be picked by a guy who's using a bobby pin and a paper clip
I guess you're unfamiliar with the organized bike thieves. When I was young, there was a ring of bike thieves making life hell for us cyclists around here. It took years for the authorities to shut them down. It was probably them who stole one of mine bikes...but then, I didn't have the good sense to lock it to something immovable, so anyone with a vehicle large enough to toss a bike into could've done it.
@@TheEudaemonicPlague lord you cops sucked, wrench, GPS tracker, slide it down the tube of a bike and wait, cost me 185 bucks (counting a cheap bike lock) and about five hours of my life, dropped a tip off got my buddies bike back laughed as the police came and shut them down.
@@Dies1r4e where did you get a battery powered gps tracker that would fit in the tube? I've been searching for a while, all I found were kickstarters that never shipped or chinese ones that dont work.
@@c0llision771 look up ones that are suppose to mount to dog collars, its what I used. I had some other friends want to chip their bikes too, one of them had a weird carbon fiber affair that had a diamond shape so the round fob didn't fit down it, so I took the casing apart, found a bit of PVC that would fit the guts and the frame then put it back together inside and slid the whole thing in. you can also mount them inside the under side of the seats on most bikes.
LPL is single handedly pushing the lock industry to do better and that is freaking awesome!!!
Except...are they really? How much actual change are we seeing across the lock landscape, and how much of this info is just being used by criminals to make their jobs that much easier? LPL comments often about how lock design generally has stagnated for the past 100+ years.
He's also giving easy how tos for would be thieves. That's doing both.
To Elmo, lock designs doesn't really need to change. There are very good known designs, but there are also lots of mistakes that manufacturers can make. Educating manufacturer in good lock designs would make locks much more secure, even without reinventing the wheel.
He's selling lock picking tools. It's like a arms dealer arming criminals. Yet you're fanboying for him. How can people be so pifitul?
Why are you purposely ignoring that and trying to make him look like a good guy?
Teaching how to pick locks isn't freaking awesome. It's a scummy thing to do, and you're one too for idolizing him
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess You would be right, except it 8s people like him who push the lock industry to make better locks.
No lock will not do good things for any good people if criminals can pick or bypass it with much ease.
The end result of his work is that we will have better locks and we will be safer.
And I suggest you buy his lock picking tools.
If you could pick any of your locks with simple raking or with a bump key,you need better locks.
You are living under an illusion of safety.
this isnt fixing a flaw this is making an attack available.
What I appreciate about your videos is how clearly they demonstrate just how there is absolutely no progress and innovation in that whole lock-making industry. That whole industry is ripe for one start-up with a good, new, innovative locking mechanism and masterlock and all these lazy companies will just go down the drain.
That or lock security is not the stuff that those companies try to optimize. Cheap and barely good enough is what they are going for.
I doubt a startup could go against the economies of scale, dubiously cheap oversea labor, and wide distribution network on which big companies rest. Instead they would most likely be bought as some kind of externalized private R&D, or would stay in a niche market for rich people.
I think the issue is thieves rarely go around picking these locks. It requires knowledge, skill, and specialized tools. It's much easier just to angle grind it down in a minute and that's what most thieves do. I think lock companies know this so don't spend a whole heap of time developing super fancy unpickable locks.
@lockpicking lawyer i would like to see how extreme emergency lockpicking you can do... I mean with paperclip 📎 or other common tools... We see a lot in movies... But you are the only one that can tell us if this is possible with modern lock. Thanks
I've been using the Kryptonite Revolution for about a year now. I like that it comes with a medium thickness wire that I to lock up the back tire as well. What I don't like is that despite using the key cap to keep dust and debris out of where the key goes in, every week or two of regular use some parts inside seize up and make it impossible to open with the key for a long time. Takes 15 minutes on average of toying with the thing to free whatever is jammed up and then it opens quickly and easily with the key as it should for awhile. I kind of want to buy these picking tools, both to practice developing picking skills, and also to see if it's easier to pick than to use the key when this internal seizing happens.