Pistols Presented to US Generals - Colt General Officers Pistol
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- In this video, we make a switch from the German stuff to pistols presented to two US Generals. The first is a Colt General Officers Pistol presented to Lieutenant General Robert M Elton for his service during the Vietnam war. His area of expertise was the helicopter air cavalry. The second gun is a nickel-plated WW2 Walther PP presented to Major General Julian Hatcher. Some of you may know Hatcher from his work of improving the M1 Garand. He wrote several books and worked with the American Rifleman magazine.
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Per your reference, Patton never had pearl handled revolvers. His preference was for ivory.
There is a great video here on youtube told by one of Pattons close army guys (I think it was his driver) who helped to get the handles. They are just plastic anyway. Or at least fake ivory. The story is really hilarious plus all the little things about Patton from someone who was really close to him through the war. Edit: Found it! : czcams.com/video/Zq8F95LrHD4/video.html
I fell on the floor when you said pearl, that's ugly.... From a decendant.
Just like I've been saying over and over not just a video but learning videos , thank you very much legacy collectibles .
LT. General Elton is still alive at 89! He actually has a silver star and 4 bronze stars.. So i wonder if hes missing one lol
Julian Hetcher is well known in Europe due it's Book "Hatchers Notebook". This book is insanely full of Information on historic guns. I highly recommend this book.
The Python is the jewel of this episode. I love all of the early Pythons.
"AUS" is Army of the United States (for Army Reserve and Army National Guard) :)
Patton had Ivory handles not Pearl. Only 2-bit pimp in a New Orleans where house would have Pearl. LOL To quote the movie.
That supposed to be Whore house. I F'n hate autospell.
Didn’t General Patton say something to the effect of “only a Louisiana pimp would only have pearl grips” when questioned about the material used for his grips whether or not was out of pearl, or was out of ivory?
"Only a two-bit pimp from a cheap Louisiana whorehouse would have pearl grips. These are ivory!"
I have a signed copy of Hatcher's book.
That pistol would sure go nice with it! 😁
You are just a beauty and art seeker!
Patton's grips were ivory, he would get angry if they were called pearl, he stated only pimps had pearl handles! LOL
Cheap "New Orleans pimp" kepp that pimp hand strong. Lol
Was about write about it! As I recall Patton said something like that “Pearl handles was for cheap second class pimps”!
Surely he just misspoke. I'd bet a hefty sum of money that Tom is well aware of this.
Opps.... did I offend anyone :)
Surprised you made such a gaff, especially considering Patton was probably the best General America ever had. Quite a bastard but what a shrewd tactician!
My father was a US army MP in the 50s and early 60s and he carried his M1911 colt .45 acp every time he was on duty. He never missed when shooting large coffee cans with it from 15 yards distance away
Thank you for pronouncing ‘Garand’ correctly :)
Tom Your Father in Law was probably just trying to make your Mother in Law happy.....
I believe the RIA General Officers pistol is known as the M-15.
We don’t think you are a sympathizer. Nazi stuff just looks cool 🤷🏻♂️ doesn’t mean we want to be nazis. Keep up the good work. This is history we need to never forget
Modern facists are these nutjobs calling everybody else nazis for thinking differently. Ironic
The Germans gave out beautiful firearms and carried beautiful firearms thanks for sharing
Patton didn't carry pearl handled guns, the handles were ivory. He said only pimps carry pearl handled guns.
...from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse...
Interesting contrast in styles. I like the utilitarian functional US style. I remember a re enactor that did both Wehrmacht and US Army WW2 impressions. He said the US uniform and kit was more comfortable and functional than the German gear. Anyway thanks for showing some nice pistols.
I was born in 1980, would love to own that 1980 General gun
The first presentation box looks like something thrown together as an afterthought
Enjoyed this video, of course, Tom, but... Ol' Blood and Guts Patton had IVORY grips on his sidearms, not pearl. He was adamant that pearl-handled sidearms were only suitable for pimps. ;^)
I understand I offended him :) Thanks
You should not be apologetic for collecting the German stuff. Its trophies of victory against the odds by our grandfathers and fathers prevailing over the most formidable foes of their time. And I had many Jewish business associates who while enjoying their prosperity drove the German luxury cars rather than American brands, and carried licensed German concealment pistols for protection instead of the domestic wheelguns as used by the cops and fellow civilian professional colleagues. That was a status symbol of using the best.
Actually, AUS stands for "Army of the United States" which was inclusive of all personnel called to duty during a national emergency (draftees, activated reservists and National Guardsmen, etc), as opposed to "United States Army" which refers to the permanent regular Army, limited to active-duty career soldiers.
Exactly! Thank you for your posting.
Great video! My dad, retired Army Lieutenant General Mike Bills, gave me his GO issued Beretta that he carried in Iraq. Really cool to have it!
Gen. Geo. Patton's grip panels were made of ivory not pearl. Only a New Orleans pimp would have pearl grips on his handgun he once said, allegedly.
It's a shame the family sold the General's gun. You'd think that this would be a very desirable heirloom.
Money is often more desirable than anything. Especially in a time of need. We never know the circumstances. Maybe his family is just a bunch of lefties who hate guns? I don't know. Lol.
you are so gracious. thanks for respecting all soldiers.
As stated by Marcus Brody in “Indian Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark”, Hogwash, Ravenwood’s (Tom from Legacy Collectable’s) no Nazi!
I tell you Tom, you may have convinced me to finally get a Walther. My Collection seems weird now without one after all these videos haha
I don't think you shot that beauty Python. Love you videos, love the guns and the stories. Cheers 🧔☕☕
Tom, I just found your channel a couple weeks ago. I enjoy it immensely!! Your knowledge of history along with your personality makes it one of the best channels I have found. I have already joined your Patreon Community on CZcams and love that exclusive coin I got in mail. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Ron. And welcome aboard. You've got a LOT to catch up on with the previous videos. !!
the size of the General Officer's pistol is referred to as Commander size..
Certainly inspired by the Commander brought out in the 1950s. However, owning both and placing these side by side the dustcover of the actual Commander is shorter than the Government to correspond to the abbreviated size of the slide. While the General Officer's RIA edition retains the same frame dustcover length judging from the video of the side by side shot. Perhaps a learned gunsmith with technical expertise might notice and comment, it seems that the Arsenal just chopped the slide to customize the sidearms, among other details pointed out.
It only took about 8:45 , but he broke out some German wares! I'm just razzin ya, Tom. Lol.
I cannot understand why people would sell family heirlooms
Times get tough for some.
Others just do not like guns or want them in the house.
Etc, etc, etc.
I'm with you though. I couldn't imagine parting with such a piece of (family) history.
I'm an antique dealer, I buy family heirlooms almost every week often entire collections. The reason is, the person that originally collects a piece or pieces is the only one that has any real connection to it. The person who inherits it typically has no interest in it because he has not put in the time, money and effort to collect it. Often they have no need for it or even no what to do with it so it goes to auction. Very few pieces are handed down and kept by more than one generation. The moral to this story is: If you want your kids to hold on to your stuff, you need to get them involved in the collecting process so that they have some skin in the game.
@@joshuagibson2520 my father was not in any wars but if he was and brought home a a gun souvenir I would cherish it if it was handed down to me I would do my best to keep it in the family
public school brainwashing!!!
You should actually buy that book and read it.
The handles on George Patton's pistols were stag Ivory NOT pearl. AUS, Army of the United States.
You didn’t mention the Colt 1903 which was presented to US Army generals when they were promoted to general officer. The colt 1903 production stopped around 1945 but the army issued to the generals until the early 70s as I recall.
1903's and 1908's the GO 1911 was started because the supply was dwindling rapidly and a smith at rock island though his personal competition gun would make a perfect replacement!!
In order to earn those wings I believe he had to jump from a flying machine with the parachute he packed.
nope just make 5 jumps!!! only riggers have to jump with chutes they packed!! i believe it's 4 times a year!
Great content, thank u
I am familiar with Gen. Hatcher since getting 'Hatcher's Notebook' 50 years ago. He also wrote a textbook on pistols and revolvers, himself being a crack marksman. He was active in Ordinance work and his books contain many interesting anecdotes about both military and civilian incidents. I recommend his books highly. His friend John Garand's name was pronounced Garund, rhyming with parent. Gen. Hatcher was on the technical staff of the American Rifleman, the magazine of the NRA. He had an extensive gun and ammunition collection, naturally.
What a great group of videos. Those guns are amazing! As far as the Germans and their military items, as awesome looking at some of that gear is, it's amazing how much of their budget went into such expensive items. From very expensive swords, guns and military uniforms. They weren't too efficient at trying to save money for the war. But I guess in the end, that was a good thing as they ran out of money lol.
Tom as cool as the military guns are that you feature in your videos that Python really talks to me! I am a big fan of Pythons! Thanks for showing it to us!
“Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whore- house carries pearl-handled revolvers. These are ivory.”
― George S. Patton Jr.
Another outstanding video and presentation.
Will you be selling the Colt GO? I doubt I can afford it but these specific pistols have held a special place in my heart since I first learned of them as a kid.
I was going to quote the Movie too, but I see all my fellow Countrymen are on top of it.... Ivory handles!!!
Thank you!!
Yeah I used to feel the same way aboit nazi guns, or anything with a swastika. Would categorically not own anything with one on it (waffenamt). Then I got my first wartime k98 and decided to pull the trigger on a wartime Luger, and it started… just completed the Wehrmacht domestic pistol production collection and now planning on how to increase the satellite pistol collection. Owning or drooling over nazi era sidearms doesn’t make one sympathetic to them, it’s just when you start collecting them, you see the level of quality and coolness in them and kind of overlook the whole fascism thing and simply appreciate the amount of various high quality sidearms they used and how they were developed.
Bottom line for me is: it's history and should be preserved. I don't collect any military relics, but that could change as much as I enjoy this channel.
@@joshuagibson2520 consider this a warning to your bank account: getting the first one will make you want to get more.
@@c32amgftw I'm currently addicted to PCP Rifles and old Oddball .22's lol. I will certainly heed your warning though.
We moved into the house I now own in 1987. I found a German device hidden in the basement. It turned out to a compass device used in navigation WWII German bombers. In German it's called a "MUTTER KOMPASS' Translated to English it's 'Mother Compass'.
I have some older Colts with original finish and the hammers are like that .
ive read about these General Officers Pistols if i recall they wer made up custom by the rock island arsenal.they are hand fitted with the finest parts they had available.they cut the slides down an inch or so so its a commander size pistol. they wer presentation grade but wer also built to be used. the sights are excellent! probably the nicest 1911a1s the military ever produced. aside from the amu nm target pistols. those wer top notch as well
AUS = ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES . And , Patton's guns had IVORY grips , not pearl
Thanks for the help
“Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whore- house carries pearl-handled revolvers. These are ivory.”
― George S. Patton Jr.
My Dad always accredited General Patton with going to the end of the chow line when food was offered. Most officers went to the front and butted in front of the enlisted men. Patton was flamboyant but respectful of the men he led first come first served.
My retirement certificate says AUS.
Hey Tom, why dont you install a presentation table for all the videos? Would improve your gun presentation and much better than in the lab; just like Ian Mc Collum always has a nice table.
Hi from Germany!
Uniforms wasn‘t designed by Hugo Boss, he was one of many makers- nothing more.
You can read about that, SS Uniforms are well documented who designed and what companys made them.
Best regards vom Bavaria- Germany
Do you feel the early Python’s prices will go down, being new ones are in production ?
I think the new ones have limited supply but the early CLASSICS will continue to go up. (In my opinion) . The made modern PPK's but the pre1946 guns continue to climb.
I also have same opinion, great 👍 channel
the originals are an order of magnitude higher in quality they're prices will stay where they are for a little bit (maybe 6 months to a year!) due to the newbs buying the new builds just because they want a python which one doesn't matter as long as it's a python at a good price period but originals will continue to rise!!
This blue finish seems too black and dull. The real royal blue is more blue and shiny. Hope it helps.
NO! Army of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!
On 14 May 1940, legislation provided that all voluntary enlistments in the United States Army during a time of national emergency or war were to be in the Army of the United States "without specification of any particular component or unit thereof." The "Army of the United States" as a service component was formally activated in February 1941. It was legally considered the successor to the National Army.
Is that Phil Sharpe holding the around-the-corner Sturmgewehr?
FYI: @1:52 only a pimp in a New Orleans w****house would carry a pearl-handled pistol!
Pretty sure that Hugo boss did not design the german uniform, he was just contracted to manufacture them.
I remember seeing a Photo of Ike wearing a pair of Monk strap dress shoes in uniform. American generals seemed to favor a more lower key flamboyance. I think part of the difference is that General officer pistols are expected to be deployed.
yeah they knew it was better the blend in so not to become a snipers target!! and they were meant as on duty weapons!!
@@keithmoore5306 if I remember correctly the WW2 General officers side arm the official one (not Patton’s personal arsenal as he was packing heat even in the bath) was the Colt pocket hammerless. Very practical pistol Generals had the option to buy their own which was the presentation. That was replaced by the Commander sized 1911 shown in the video which were custom built by Rock river until the rise of 9mm. Today US Generals if they buy the pistol get an M18 with rank and name engraved.
The German pistols were status symbols. Meant to be admired not fired in anger.
@@terranempire2 Patton carried a 1903 as well but yes in WW2 they issued the 1903 as a primary general's sidearm but a supply of 1908's were held in reserve in case they ran out of 1903's (they were counting on shutting down the 1903 line but never did due to OSS demand for them!) but a 1908 or even 1917 could be issued if requested back then! the GO models was issued until mid to late 87 when they ran out then they just upgraded standard sized 1911's until the blunder 9 came along and then they issued the M12! and i do mean blunder someone needed a drug test after deciding that!!
Patton never had pearl handled hand guns maybe you should watch the movie Patton
Actually like the nonsense utilitarian simplicity look of Ike! So much more modern and cool, than the stuffy gadgetry theatrics of the nazis!
Where are the gloves you use with German pistols?
Tom, I'm curious if you ever get out and shoot much? I know your most interested in collectibles, but I was just curious if you ever get out on the range? If yes, what do you enjoy shooting most? Thanks.
Too busy and the range is an hour away. So no, not often enough.
@@LegacyCollectibles I hope you get time soon. Thanks for the reply.
@@LegacyCollectibles we demand a range review video of every German wartime sidearm
@@c32amgftw 😂😂😂
honestly if I didn't shoot off my back porch almost daily I wouldn't get any range time at all. Certainly not if it was an hour away. But I too would, one day, like to see him do just 1 range review. With something not so collectible of course.
Oh, my! At 2:30, "AUS" is neither Australia nor Austria! I am very surprised that a person making videos on military weapons does not know that AUS is the abbreviation for "Army of the United States!"
I guess that you didn't miss the movie, but you got it all wrong. I reiterate - Read the book.
I guess that you missed the book and the movie -the book We Were Soldiers Once… and Young (1992) by Lieutenant General (Ret.) Hal Moore and reporter Joseph L. Galloway; and the movie was the book We Were Soldiers Once. You or your advisors are mixing history. The 1st Battalion 7th Cavalry was in Vietnam in 1965, two years prior to the entry of the 3rd Battalion 506th Infantry in 1967 along with the 101st Division Headquarters its 2nd and 3rd Brigades. the 506th Infantry was part of the 101st 3rd Brigade.
I suggest that you grab a copy of the book above as well as divisional histories of the 11th Airborne/Air Assault Division, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile), and the 101st Airborne Division. As for the divisional histories, I suggest that you read them in the order above.
I collect only WW2 weapons but from time to time share something that comes across my desk that is way out of my wheelhouse. So.... I often know very little about the history of a gun - including this one. But I rely on viewers like you to add "light" and context to my videos; so I appreciate your comments. If I studied the background of every gun I've put on video (over 800 guns) I would likely get about 2 videos a year done. Thanks for the info.
Pearl on Patton’s pistols???
So that 1911 is basically a commander
The German weapons were excellent
AUS (Army United States)
It’s best to keep at least one or two ally items to shut the haters up.
👍👀
Where are your gloves?..
I agree with you ....everything the Germans did were over the top beautiful and were far ahead of us. Just look at what we accomplish with the help of all the German scientists..... EVERYTHING
Killing
There are always going to be 'Karens' offended by history
Can I get your email I have a Walther PP that has waffen stamps but seems to be original nickel due to some blue internal parts
the last GO was issued in mid 87 maybe the fall of 87 if memory serves! after they ran out they ran out of them they started upgrading standard 5 inch 1911A1 government's for generals and then issued the M12 after they caught dumb ass disease and switched to the useless 9mm and adopted the M12!! i don't think it came with a fitted presentation case since it was meant as on duty carry gun! i know the full size general's issue came in a standard locking foam lined travel type case with 2 spare mags and cleaning set up and it seems familiar for the GO model as well! the GO model is also the origin of the combat commander model!
It never crossed MY mind that you were a Nazi sympathizer. I know that you are not. We know that the 2nd Amendment would be removed by socialists from the Constitution if they possibly could. I concur that the National Socialists had some spiffy uniforms, and it would not hurt for the U.S. Army to follow suit. I have heard, more than once, that the ranks of the United States Marines have been swelled by the esprit de corps of that organization AND getting to wear their dress uniforms. The Navy uniforms look good, too. My father served on a destroyer in the Atlantic from 1942 to 1945. One day, as an elderly man, he was crossing a stream and that is where he figured he lost his Navy Ka Bar knife from his service in WW2. I bought him a new Ka Bar, and when we were going through his estate, there it was, new in the box. Some things are difficult to value.
GORING IS THE PIMP MASTER GENARAL?????????
I know where you are coming from. My country was occupied by the Nazis and I despise their ideology but I have no problem with collecting the spoils of their failure.
"Equal time and loyal American" - wow, isn't that a golden standard of political correctness... can it be more kosher?...
Stolen
Gangster
Being a Palestinian destroyer, obviously your not a nazi, duh....
I don't know when it started or when as the US Military has some VERY flashy and bright dress uniforms!!! Metals or awards shows what the solder has done or where they been assigned.