Why did my Tesla Plaid get slower with 37k miles? * New vs Old Tesla Model S Plaid Drag Race

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  • I race my Tesla Model S Plaid with 37k miles against my friends brand new Plaid.
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  • @ryanMcdonald-ot5mt
    @ryanMcdonald-ot5mt Před 18 dny +45

    I’ve owned a 9 second street/strip car since 2004. I need to know how to get 40k miles of street driving plus more than 500 passes on the drag strip without having to pull the engine every other season and re ring, new bearings, rebuilding the turbo, replacing head gaskets. I mean, it’s all part of the journey of having a street capable 9 second car but man I’m getting older and I’m about tired of working on it all the time. Basically what I’m saying is if you’ve only lost 1/10 and a few mph and almost never have to do maintenance on it then that’s considered a win. Stop complaining 😂😂

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 Před 11 dny +3

      I mean, that is a thing but it depends on what engine and how much power you are making. Getting 40k miles out of an LS that is boosted (as long as its not a moonboosted car) should be more than fine. I don't see why the engine would fail overall.

  • @dj1nnie
    @dj1nnie Před 20 dny +51

    4:58 Brooks checking that side view mirror for that Blondie he just passed 😂

  • @mousepotato581
    @mousepotato581 Před 21 dnem +103

    I noticed this a while back. Seems like all the Plaid videos (not just Brooks) went from trapping 150-152mph, to trapping 146-150mph.

    • @tornatic1983
      @tornatic1983 Před 21 dnem +3

      Yeah best i can do with mine is trap 146 and low 5.0-5.1 is best i can do 60-130. 45K miles on it

    • @HUMC5
      @HUMC5 Před 21 dnem +15

      That's why Teslas are way overrated. Subpar quality.

    • @nigels6786
      @nigels6786 Před 21 dnem +2

      Facts some use to max out 155 in the 1/4

    • @TK-fl1on
      @TK-fl1on Před 21 dnem +28

      ​@@HUMC5 that's how degradation works buddy, happens to engines too, especially considering Plaid drivers drive those things like race cars

    • @DrumL3000
      @DrumL3000 Před 21 dnem +7

      my Tesla model 3 Performance got faster after while. lol
      maybe also because the suspension was lower after more miles. Who knows.
      Just how it is. It shouldnt be that they lose performance. However i can understand using the car as a drag race car puts constant strain on the battery.

  • @bigdaddy5212
    @bigdaddy5212 Před 21 dnem +53

    Even with power going down with mileage the launch is so brutal the difference in ET is negligible not even a 10th of second.

    • @Thumper68
      @Thumper68 Před 21 dnem +5

      A tenth is a lot in drag racing

    • @davidfujkk8018
      @davidfujkk8018 Před 20 dny +3

      Tesla model s plaid uses panasonic NCA(nickel-cobalt-aluminum)18650 cells for it's battery pack which has worst degradation rates in all rechargeable lithium ion battery cells(NCA-NCM-LFP-LMFP),according to tesla and panasonic spec shit,panasonic 18650 NCA loses 12% of it's capacity after 800 cycles,compared with 1500 cycles for amazing LG energy solution's M58T 21700 cells with 290 wh/kg and 811 NCM chemistery for the same 12% capacity loss,or 3000 cycle for CATL condensed LFP cells with 260 wh/kg energy density for the same capacity loss,all of that means brooks tesla model s plaid has 97% of its original battery capacity

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Před 20 dny

      ofc , all horsepower is useless down there

    • @GF-mf7ml
      @GF-mf7ml Před 14 dny

      So when it's 15 years old, It'll slower than Toyota Camry.

  • @JHunter_
    @JHunter_ Před 21 dnem +56

    "who ever pushes down on the accelerator first wins" ahh race

    • @chriscotton4207
      @chriscotton4207 Před 20 dny +2

      Wherever turns left best, NASCAR!
      These cars aren't meant to be the best most interesting. They are designed to be predictable and safe family cars. What you've done is realized the clientele.
      Gas cars should aim to always beat EV. They have better energy density right.

    • @chasejansson7289
      @chasejansson7289 Před 13 dny

      you can see thenew one pulling away though

  • @SuperLETHAL86
    @SuperLETHAL86 Před 21 dnem +41

    You can also see your first months best Quarter mile time vs your earliest best quarter mile time to do a comparison

    • @looknewman
      @looknewman Před 21 dnem +5

      Compare apples to apples. Tesla is always changing parts, so it's just as likely the newer one is faster vs the older loosing as much HP

    • @oxidalpha6350
      @oxidalpha6350 Před 21 dnem +3

      @@looknewmanits normal for new cars to have new tech yeah but if the same car loses performance after 37k miles than sonething is wrong

    • @looknewman
      @looknewman Před 21 dnem +4

      @@oxidalpha6350 agreed. Why I liked the idea of comparing his car's performance when new vs now as opposed to comparing with a newer car. if he's loosing as much performance after 37k, you're right - something is wrong

  • @Doctorbasss
    @Doctorbasss Před 21 dnem +56

    As for technical understanding of WHY trap speed is lower on OLD plaid here is the reason: The battery voltage sag more because of battery age. This translate to lower maximum kW = lower trap speed. The internal resistance of the battery is probably a bit higher after it aged. One way to verify that is to use one of the app that allow you to measure max and min battery voltage and record the minimum battery voltage during one pass and compare results with the NEW plad. You will get the answer.

    • @v4skunk739
      @v4skunk739 Před 21 dnem

      The main reason is Tesla limits the cars power after so many launches.

    • @vinny9152
      @vinny9152 Před 21 dnem +1

      This is the most likely reason. The vehicle keeps track of a variable called “Max Discharge”, which is affected by SOC, health, and temperature of the cells.

    • @ms3ben
      @ms3ben Před 21 dnem +1

      No, it doesnt, stop spreading bs.​@v4skunk739

    • @markmonroe7330
      @markmonroe7330 Před 21 dnem +7

      @@v4skunk739 Well that totally sucks. I wonder if there is any fine print that says the car derates and drops 100hp after so many miles or launches. A two year old car with only 30k miles is practically brand new in my book. I would want my 100hp back.

    • @wjrneo2
      @wjrneo2 Před 21 dnem

      @@vinny9152 Is there an app that exposes these parameters in the logs that as a consumer we can see them?

  • @geemy9675
    @geemy9675 Před 19 dny +3

    3:56 two red plaids launching side to side looks like one car is racing next to a giant mirror 😂

  • @koreyb99
    @koreyb99 Před 21 dnem +24

    A tenth? Not bad. Any car run decently hard for 40k miles and a few years will lose a bit.

    • @user-zf1ol7op7y
      @user-zf1ol7op7y Před 18 dny +1

      Brooks was more concerned with the reduced trap speeds. His roll racing game is getting hammered. 😂😂

    • @koreyb99
      @koreyb99 Před 18 dny +1

      @@user-zf1ol7op7y Pretty dramatic there. A tenth and a few MPH over a quarter mile? No, his roll racing game is not getting hammered.

    • @kevinle5810
      @kevinle5810 Před 9 dny

      Not gas cars

    • @koreyb99
      @koreyb99 Před 9 dny

      @@kevinle5810 lol, sure about that?

    • @kevinle5810
      @kevinle5810 Před 9 dny

      @@koreyb99 yes, positive, not after 40k miles, my car actually faster after 50k miles

  • @a4Audi2153
    @a4Audi2153 Před 21 dnem +8

    We need a Plaid Plus 😂

  • @ElMistroFeroz
    @ElMistroFeroz Před 21 dnem +65

    To be fair, your 97% SOC is not the same as his 97% SOC when you account for degradation.

    • @scapulartech9347
      @scapulartech9347 Před 21 dnem

      and one is a facelift and one is not.

    • @Dawood4
      @Dawood4 Před 21 dnem +7

      Well that is exactly what he is demonstrating.

    • @scapulartech9347
      @scapulartech9347 Před 21 dnem +3

      @32inchquads and more power lol. It’s just software you silly goose. Just like how you can just pay money for accel boost aka more horsepower you silly little goose.

    • @scapulartech9347
      @scapulartech9347 Před 21 dnem +2

      @32inchquads someone didn’t doo their research 🙊

    • @scapulartech9347
      @scapulartech9347 Před 21 dnem +1

      @32inchquads Dyno runs. Up from ~1,095 to 1,115 hp

  • @andyh8239
    @andyh8239 Před 20 dny +3

    What I've learned is that EV fans are not very intelligent.

  • @VuBeClan
    @VuBeClan Před 21 dnem +49

    Might be time to actually DYNO it, and see if it still outputs the same horsepower and torque. I feel like there is less torque, and this is 100% software related.

    • @mmw0800
      @mmw0800 Před 21 dnem +9

      Or something similar as was with iPhone. Degrading battery, limiting performance for longevity.

    • @user-zf1ol7op7y
      @user-zf1ol7op7y Před 21 dnem +3

      Could be. I'm leaning more to the side of battery or even motor degradation. No piece of equipment is immune to degradation or fatigue over time.

    • @vinny9152
      @vinny9152 Před 21 dnem +6

      Every Tesla vehicle has a dynamic variable called “Max Discharge”. It’s likely that a worn battery has a slightly higher internal resistance, leading to a reduced peak power which begins to show its effect in the latter half of the drag race.

    • @jrherita
      @jrherita Před 21 dnem +2

      Batteries do increase resistance over time ..

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Před 20 dny

      @@mmw0800 this is such a nonsense you spread here, completely meaningless and not true, this was a thing for ancient phones that would shut down so they could still operate.

  • @gtpsleeper9
    @gtpsleeper9 Před 21 dnem +1

    Thanks for showing this comparison!

  • @RussManK3
    @RussManK3 Před 21 dnem +16

    My Plaid has 26K. I'd be in for the Plaid + if they come out with it.

  • @thesmeagol101
    @thesmeagol101 Před 21 dnem +1

    You mentioned the state of charge for both cars at the beginning as being 97%.
    What was the state of charge for both after your runs were completed?
    Did they deplete at the same rate?

  • @MrSKlim
    @MrSKlim Před 21 dnem +26

    Same boat as you. My 22 MSPlaid has 46k miles and 60-130 is now best of 5.10. Won’t touch anywhere in 4 seconds.

    • @VuBeClan
      @VuBeClan Před 21 dnem +2

      no way, really??? this is so strange.

    • @MrSKlim
      @MrSKlim Před 21 dnem +4

      @@VuBeClan yup, I tried on OEM wheels and tires and my lighter 20” Signature wheels and tires. 99% all the way down to 87% state of charge. I did back to back pulls.
      Don’t get me wrong, I’m not that upset about it…it’s still damn fast plus I’ve retired the Plaid to just daily driver status, just finished my F150 build.

    • @tornatic1983
      @tornatic1983 Před 21 dnem +5

      Yeah mine has close to 46K miles as well and 9.4 at 146 is best i can do. 60-130 5.0-5.1

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 Před 17 dny +2

      Yeah, it's clear that the cars are degrading and honestly it's a pretty big degradation for such a small amount of mileage.

    • @tornatic1983
      @tornatic1983 Před 17 dny +2

      @Jimster481 I think a big part of it is how you take care of the batteries. If you're using supercharger alot and keeping fully charged without driving it will degrade them faster. There's a guy that has 50K+ miles on his and he is still running 9.2-9.3 at 150+

  • @XennialGuy
    @XennialGuy Před 21 dnem +7

    I don't think it's losing 90HP. Probably more like 50Hp up top only. Losing 90HP would be essentially losing almost 9% power. You would be more than a 10th slower and trap would be gapped more if that were the case. A 5% loss is more in line with those numbers.

    • @wjrneo2
      @wjrneo2 Před 21 dnem +4

      Realistically if its a battery issue it will show up in the trap speed and not the launch because the car is so traction limited at launch that up until 60mph+ (maybe even up to 100mph) the car is managing traction by reducing duty cycle on the motors.
      So a plaid with a worn battery might still launch brutally fast, but once traction is no longer a factor, the battery cannot supply the current needed without a voltage drop, so you lose power (watts) because Volts * Amps = Watts. And when the system is demanding upwards of probably 1900amps from the battery there is a big difference if the voltage drops from say 400v to 385v.

    • @patara1234
      @patara1234 Před 14 dny

      ​​​@@wjrneo2 use obd,you will see current draw from battery. i consider the modify wheel and tyre not to use factory spec make old car a bit slower at top end. consider every drag on car are very importance to reduce EV car performance at high speed. my English writing is not good sorry.

  • @deanmcmanis9398
    @deanmcmanis9398 Před 21 dnem +13

    I love the new Tesla red color! In the end, your driving skill won the day. But it still was close enough that a better driver in either car would win. It says so much that the older Plaid can still run 9.3-9.4 in the 1/4 mile. I wonder how well an exotic car would have held up after 37K miles, and a LOT of drag racing?

    • @bjornar9026
      @bjornar9026 Před 20 dny

      I'd think the Tesla will have lost more power. Both because it's an ev, and because of the typically bad engineering by Tesla.

    • @abc123fhdi
      @abc123fhdi Před 20 dny +2

      if you maintain the gas car, 37k miles is nothing and you can tune it but not much you can do with a Tesla.

  • @chachichochacorta8577
    @chachichochacorta8577 Před 21 dnem +2

    Great content, as always, Brooks. I would say that the old Plaid is still above and beyond quick even with its minimal loss. I wonder how it will perform with 60K miles on it. Too bad those brakes heated up so quickly.
    About the CCAN Action Fund: I always thought you were more of a Lincoln/Reagan type, not a FDR/JFK type.

  • @lencac7952
    @lencac7952 Před 21 dnem +7

    Well Brooks back in the old days we would pull the motor and re-brush it and put new brushes on the front of the guide the kept the car in the slot 😛

    • @neil9184
      @neil9184 Před 12 dny +1

      cant do that anymore with brushless motors

    • @lencac7952
      @lencac7952 Před 12 dny

      Jeez you do have a keen eye for the obvious😉

  • @PozzaPizz
    @PozzaPizz Před 21 dnem +34

    I have a 2018 bolt i can take you on bro

    • @user-zf1ol7op7y
      @user-zf1ol7op7y Před 21 dnem

      Yeah those things are wicked fast bruh. 😂😂

    • @jeanlafrance8746
      @jeanlafrance8746 Před 21 dnem +2

      I have a 2018 Leaf, I'm sure I beat you both!

    • @PozzaPizz
      @PozzaPizz Před 21 dnem +1

      @@jeanlafrance8746 my pops has a 2014 leaf with 60 miles left on the battery - pinks or nothing

    • @YTdelsCmts4NoRsn
      @YTdelsCmts4NoRsn Před 17 dny

      I mean, if you drive it on the highway for long enough, you will definitely catch up.

    • @MVSky.
      @MVSky. Před 15 dny

      My microwave will beat anything on the road.

  • @HellcatDreaminJosh
    @HellcatDreaminJosh Před 21 dnem

    Dragtimes Great Video I think it's awesome that you showed how Tesla Model S Plaids lose horsepower over time and I think it's crazy and Happy 4th of July to you your family and all of your Subscribers

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Před 20 dny +1

      no he didnt, you need to compare both cars with same wheels and tires and state of charge, this means nothing, a dyno would be useful

  • @LearningFast
    @LearningFast Před 21 dnem +26

    Think about what would happen to a 1,000+ HP ICE car if you daily drove it and raced it on the weekend. It wouldn’t even make it to 20k mile much less 30k+ miles. Honestly, that isn’t as much degradation as I thought it would be.

    • @johnjackson2349
      @johnjackson2349 Před 21 dnem +5

      The first ICE vehicle was the Veyron to have that kind of power, because of the massive engine and reasonably low state of tune while it may loose a few horses it's nothing compared to this plaid, but yeah cost 10x the price 😂

    • @23for82bigs
      @23for82bigs Před 21 dnem +3

      @@johnjackson2349 They first production ICE car yes. But there have been modded 1,000 streetcars for a long time now.

    • @jaybomb5022
      @jaybomb5022 Před 21 dnem

      Not nearly as reliable most are garage queens ​@@23for82bigs

    • @ChurchAutoTest
      @ChurchAutoTest Před 21 dnem +5

      @@23for82bigs Exactly. I deal with a lot of 4 figure street cars and these guys race (legally and illegally) all the time. Not uncommon to see them go 50k-60k miles on an 1100-1200 hp V8 on E85 before a rebuild. But in the aftermarket you're rolling the dice with who builds it/tunes it/maintains it - and no warranties.

    • @ELECTRICEYEMEDIA
      @ELECTRICEYEMEDIA Před 20 dny +5

      I put over 15K miles on my supercharged 2018 Huracan Performante car was making 850hp+. ZERO ISSUES still pulled the same as day of install.

  • @scottroberts4191
    @scottroberts4191 Před 20 dny

    Brooks, on average what has your EPA distance been estimating in the display at full charge at this mileage? (assuming it’s set for 21” wheel setup / 348 mi projected range when new)

  • @BB-eb8lq
    @BB-eb8lq Před 17 dny +1

    I think so too : PLAID PLUS
    I can’t wait

  • @santopotter
    @santopotter Před 21 dnem +15

    I bet an ICE with 37k miles is faster than when it was brand new.

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Před 20 dny +3

      y, not gonna happen, they loose as well

    • @JK-li7fp
      @JK-li7fp Před 20 dny +1

      ​@@JohnSmith-pn2vlBrand new engine clearances are usually really tight. That's why you break them in and change the oil more frequently in the first 500 miles. As the engine spins easier the performance increases.

    • @speedyme200
      @speedyme200 Před 20 dny +1

      ​@@JK-li7fp also don't forget about better ring seating

    • @roberttseng
      @roberttseng Před 19 dny +1

      how much are you betting?

    • @jramlert
      @jramlert Před 19 dny

      Has been proven many times that an ICE with several 100k miles on it does not loose power as long as it is nto borken and is maintained properly.

  • @AndrewTSq
    @AndrewTSq Před 19 dny +2

    Since they had different tires and rims, I am not sure we should look too much into the figures or?

  • @Raymaster7482
    @Raymaster7482 Před 21 dnem

    Interesting comparison! Brook, are you gonna switch from the Plaid to the Sapphire?

  • @sixhunt
    @sixhunt Před 21 dnem

    did you try turning it off and on again ?

  • @user-zf1ol7op7y
    @user-zf1ol7op7y Před 21 dnem +1

    This is really a loaded question. Battery tech and charging are still relatively new at this scale and Im sure improvements will be better over time. How do you charge? We know you run the car harder than the average consumer so does that play a factor? What are your charging habits, etc., etc? All of these unknowns play a part in answering your question. I also wonder if a software update can resolve the issue? Nice color on that Lucid in the background btw.

  • @CRatcliffe
    @CRatcliffe Před 21 dnem +2

    I would enjoy seeing what it does up here in Colorado. My refresh 22 MS (non plaid) ran a 10.61 so it would be interesting to see with the altitude and air density what the plaid would run.

    • @wjrneo2
      @wjrneo2 Před 21 dnem +3

      Air density has a significantly reduced affect on an EV as it only affects the drag on the car and not the power produced by the motor system.
      on an ICE car less dense air means less oxygen in the engine, and if the car is NA that means reduced overall output. Even with a forced induction car it reduces power, though with less loss than compared to a NA car.

    • @CRatcliffe
      @CRatcliffe Před 21 dnem +1

      @@wjrneo2 yes I’m fully aware of that but ev rely on aerodynamics less air means less drag

    • @TheCreamRisesToTheTop
      @TheCreamRisesToTheTop Před 21 dnem

      @@wjrneo2 is this a joke or are you actually this dumb?

  • @DaBinChe
    @DaBinChe Před 21 dnem

    same tires and wheels?

  • @voxtek
    @voxtek Před 21 dnem +1

    So did your wheel setup have something to do with being slower? Possibly not as aerodynamic?

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 21 dnem

      I explain at the end, my wheels are tires helped me stay closer to the new one

    • @voxtek
      @voxtek Před 21 dnem

      @@DragTimes Well that stinks, sorry :(

    • @TheCreamRisesToTheTop
      @TheCreamRisesToTheTop Před 21 dnem

      @@DragTimesall you’d have to do is swap tires with the new one to prove this

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 20 dny

      Did this a year ago

  • @elcentinela3434
    @elcentinela3434 Před 18 dny

    Great video

  • @IceTTom
    @IceTTom Před 21 dnem

    Ive I asked a few times how/if I can get a heads up when yall are planning to go to the track. Ive been a viewer for a time and live right down the road from Bradenton Dragway. Would enjoy coming to watch.

  • @PrecisionQuest
    @PrecisionQuest Před 19 dny

    Good video. can you advise what your tire replecment / maintenance looked like over the 37k. thks

  • @lachlanB323
    @lachlanB323 Před 21 dnem +2

    For context most battery deg happens with in the first couple years of ownership before falling off a lot. So this isn't surprising. Both cars at 100% would reduce the difference by a lot.
    Also petrol cars are FAR from immune to this kind of performance lose.

  • @gone2plaid772
    @gone2plaid772 Před 21 dnem

    Nice video Brooks , my 2021 S Plaid OG pre new headlight taillights like yours and it only has 16,000 miles but I have never ONCE used launch control nor taken to the track so no idea what loss at this point but that is slightly disappointing. Hope Tesla updates the plaid soon like you mentioned , Plaid + w more power and carbon ceramics etc , I’m down for an upgrade too at that point if it’s a sapphire killer 🙏🏼👌🏼💪🏼

  • @eduardocastillo8611
    @eduardocastillo8611 Před 20 dny

    Do gas power have that problem?

  • @rromigh5221
    @rromigh5221 Před 10 dny +2

    No a gas engine will break in, and give more horsepower

  • @recca7
    @recca7 Před 21 dnem

    Would drag racing it way more than the norm have more of an effect in loss of hp?

  • @JoshWest247
    @JoshWest247 Před 16 dny

    Great video Brooks! I agree, Tesla needs a Track Pack option from the factory.

  • @bradknit
    @bradknit Před 21 dnem +1

    Great Video. I just purchased a draggy and I still get 3.1 (w/ roll out) 0-60 with my 2020 M3P with 90K miles with stock wheels and tires. Haven't had enough road yet to do the 1/4 mile. Interesting!

    • @wtfskilz
      @wtfskilz Před 20 dny

      That's because of how launch control works. You won't be using full power until some point after 60mph... to avoid slipping.

    • @gotchyeaaa
      @gotchyeaaa Před 17 dny

      @@wtfskilz why does the acceleration boost LR pull the same after 60mph? I'm not including top speed runs since they aren't identical

  • @ktrends
    @ktrends Před 21 dnem

    Same software version?

  • @StephanBuchin
    @StephanBuchin Před 20 dny

    Amazing how consistent the acceleration is.

  • @stevenhill3136
    @stevenhill3136 Před 21 dnem +9

    You should compare with your old time slips instead because different cars can vary

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 21 dnem +11

      I included the link to my original runs, 9.2 @ 152 MPH

    • @ew10j4turbo
      @ew10j4turbo Před 20 dny +5

      @@DragTimesyour car was slower after you installed 20 inch signature wheels maybe you have a better start but loosing top end i have signature in stock 21 inch tires and is a Night and day difference not only in power but suspension less weight i really dont know why people are installing 20 inch wheels 😅

    • @Olegdj3
      @Olegdj3 Před 20 dny +1

      @@ew10j4turbo I think you're right about the wheels, and he probably uses 255s all around. The tires can't utilize 100% of the power. If we had data on wheel slip, we could see exactly what's happening.

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 20 dny +3

      No, my wheels and tires are the same spec as the Tesla track pack wheels and tires

    • @ew10j4turbo
      @ew10j4turbo Před 20 dny +4

      @@DragTimes Yes Brooks your front 285 35 20 vs 265 35 21 are 0.4 inch lower but wider and your 305 30 20 vs 295 35 21 has 0.8 of an inch less heigth so you have more traction to start or go fast in to the apex but this is drag. Also tires weigh more than stock size. Look at Plaid racing channel 800 1/4 mile runs on stock 19 tires 9.24 1/4 mile! No power loss after 2 years of drag racing.

  • @JetDriver77
    @JetDriver77 Před 20 dny +2

    Another knock against EV's.

    • @aspecreviews
      @aspecreviews Před 10 dny

      ICE vehicles also lose power as they age.

  • @travisyarbrough4033
    @travisyarbrough4033 Před 21 dnem

    Now Lucid is hammering the Plaid run after run. Doing all out runs is also temp regulated. If you live where it is very hot then the car will go with safety over speed. Some factors but Brooks you would know if you have run all these cars. LOVE THE CHANNEL !!!!! You put em to the test.

  • @ArabianOak
    @ArabianOak Před 20 dny

    Brooks, can you also share any warranty or repairs you've had done on the plaid? thank you.

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 20 dny +2

      just new steering wheels from the finish peeling off

    • @ArabianOak
      @ArabianOak Před 20 dny

      @@DragTimeswow. Very reliable. Good to hear. Many people believe they fall apart. Mine was flawless as well.

  • @THExKINGxKINGx
    @THExKINGxKINGx Před 19 dny +1

    I think the difference is a radiator that isn’t performing as a brand new one is. My radiator had a ton of dirt and debris which made my fan loud and work hard which affected the performance. Could be what’s slowing down the times and performance. Might be worth looking into brooks.

  • @Olegdj3
    @Olegdj3 Před 20 dny +2

    You need to consider the wheel size 255!?, tire pressure, and suspension setup. I believe your speed loss is due to the tires, and another potential issue could be that the suspension is not tightened to the maximum.

  • @user-up7vp2wl9c
    @user-up7vp2wl9c Před 20 dny

    *Brooks, when was the last time you changed synthetic oil on your Plaid!?*

  • @Timritchieblue12
    @Timritchieblue12 Před 21 dnem +14

    37k hard miles.. but great durability test

    • @Json918
      @Json918 Před 21 dnem +7

      Exactly 1020hp ice car with almost 40k hard miles would be in a million pieces by now.

    • @myxalplyx
      @myxalplyx Před 21 dnem +7

      @@Json918 Many people don't keep this in mind. Something would've broken by now on an ICE car. Not just a brake warning light.

    • @JAM_2024
      @JAM_2024 Před 21 dnem

      @@myxalplyx quiet you don't want to upset the dinosaurs with facts.

    • @Deuuuce
      @Deuuuce Před 21 dnem

      @@Timritchieblue12 LOL how many drag passes? It’s commuting miles by a vast majority. It’s inexcusable.

    • @caribbeanseas
      @caribbeanseas Před 21 dnem

      @ myxalplyx that’s only because you’re probably comparing a stock EV to a heavily modded ICE cars…stupid comaparo

  • @sasukesuite1
    @sasukesuite1 Před 21 dnem +15

    My Model 3 has a 60-130 time of around 12 - 14 seconds, so even with the degradation that Plaid is still on another level lol.

    • @jrherita
      @jrherita Před 21 dnem +1

      FWIW - the 2024 Model 3 performance can do 60-130 in 8.62 secs

    • @G82Watts
      @G82Watts Před 21 dnem +3

      ​@@jrheritabut it looks like a Chinese fish and is a blob. With no gauge cluster screen and not even a HUD.

    • @jrherita
      @jrherita Před 21 dnem +1

      @@G82Watts looks better than you do I am sure.;)

  • @jonaohana3376
    @jonaohana3376 Před 20 dny

    I would check a couple others to be sure , could just be that day onboard computer could be like yahhhh we aren’t feeling it today

  • @paouvous
    @paouvous Před 21 dnem

    I have to like this video especially for the narration in the ending. Thanks for the calculation! 90hp is a lot, especially if it keeps going down (does it?)

  • @BOOSTEDDUDE
    @BOOSTEDDUDE Před 21 dnem +1

    Interesting results. Sounds about right for the current battery technology. Once solid state batteries are refined that should help maintain HP in E cars.

    • @natypes1
      @natypes1 Před 17 dny +1

      Yep, mass produced gas cars have about 100 years on mass produced EV cars. Graphene may be the answer.

  • @psumagaysay
    @psumagaysay Před 20 dny

    I apologize if already mentioned. What about the difference in wheel weights? I believe you’re running light signature wheels which may/should affect the moment of inertia and therefore overall race outcome. Maybe switch wheels and re-race?

  • @user-vp1sc7tt4m
    @user-vp1sc7tt4m Před 21 dnem

    I wonder if Tesla has any suggestions on the cause of the degradation. Performance reduction caused by inverter, battery, drivetrain component or other?

  • @stephbarbershop2518
    @stephbarbershop2518 Před 21 dnem

    Doesn't the new one have the new larger cell?

  • @Rattles4392
    @Rattles4392 Před 21 dnem +1

    Do they recommend oil changes on the plaid models?

  • @ayushmalpeddi2793
    @ayushmalpeddi2793 Před 21 dnem

    For anyone wondering its down to the battery. The motors are still perfectly capable of producing the 1000hp+ and making the car do 215mph (with speed limiter removed), but the battery will have some degredation. Could also do with Tesla limiting software somehow.
    Notice this will mainly be seen in the Plaid which is pushing the battery to the limit. But on the Long Range version with 650hp or whatever, you wont notice much, if any, difference after 37K miles

  • @wjrneo2
    @wjrneo2 Před 21 dnem +2

    I was recently in the market for a C8Z06, I wanted a 1LZ Z07 car with the comp seats, aka stripper with all the perf goodies, but due to the shortages my allocation got pushed WAAAAY back. Not surprised considering I negotiated a MSRP price.
    So I took my DP back and used it to buy the cheapest Plaid in the area, ended up with a 47K mile car, that I later found out had been used as a Turo car. When I finally got a L2 charger installed at home I did a Battery test and discovered the battery was only at 86% health. My range is not great, but I don't use the car for road trips really, I have 2 toy cars for that, one a Focus RS, and the other heavily modified 89 TransAm GTA.
    Your trap speeds make me feel a bit better, as when I discovered the battery health was at 86% I was kind of frustrated, thinking about the performance I had lost from not buying a new one. I saved ALOT buying used. So far, I've trapped about 144mph on draggy, but only when the battery is above 85%, under that trap speeds seem to drop, at around 70% I think its around 141mph, and when I get near 50% there is a huge difference in acceleration, I'd say like Sport vs Plaid mode feeling.
    My bet is that as a Turo rental car, this car was frequently supercharged as the only charge method, and probably kept at at or near 100% so it could be delivered to renters with a full SoC. Which negatively impacted the battery health.
    That said, I did save over $30k on it as a used car.

    • @aussie2uGA
      @aussie2uGA Před 21 dnem +2

      Yep, it’s proven not to be the supercharging but leaving it constantly above 90% SOC takes its toll.

    • @lachlanB323
      @lachlanB323 Před 21 dnem

      @@aussie2uGA That and never charging at home. Charging at home once a week is recommended otherwise it can be detrimental to your battery.

    • @kponti
      @kponti Před 20 dny

      You can recover some of that back. Done that to two Tesla's and a Taycan and had great results.
      Run the car to under 15% state of charge. Leave it for a minimum of 12 hours uncharged. Then charge with Level 2 to 100% soc. Now test the battery health. You will be back to 90-93% health.

  • @armandosolis3560
    @armandosolis3560 Před 21 dnem

    Time for a new one!!!!!

  • @onilpotris
    @onilpotris Před 20 dny

    What were the numbers of the “old plaid” when it had fewer miles?

  • @ryanpetree6475
    @ryanpetree6475 Před 21 dnem +2

    The Tesla Plaid Channel guy has over 1900 time slips on his PLAID and the MPH is still within 1 mph from his best times! granted he has lighter wheels, but not much.

  • @TheCreamRisesToTheTop
    @TheCreamRisesToTheTop Před 21 dnem

    You’re running factory wheels and tires?

    • @jamielin2264
      @jamielin2264 Před 21 dnem

      Brook is running 20" Signature SV104

  • @cgmartin333
    @cgmartin333 Před 18 dny

    That R/T on run 3 😎

  • @allaround200
    @allaround200 Před 21 dnem +1

    It might be because if racing it so many times, It would be interesting to see you race against a Plaid with similar milage that wasn't raced so much

  • @markmonroe7330
    @markmonroe7330 Před 21 dnem

    A 5mph loss of trap speed is significant. I ran it through a few 1/4 calculators and most show about a 100hp difference with a Plaids weight and a 5mph difference around 145-150mph trap speed. So about a 10% loss of power for the older Plaid. I wonder if this is true for Plaids in general with higher miles/years on them or just your particular car? I wonder where the loss is occurring? the battery? motors? friction some place? are brakes dragging?

  • @SASCOI
    @SASCOI Před 19 dny +1

    ICE cars usally gain horsepower as they get more miles, sometimes up to 100k, which is is where they begin to lose power due to blow by. At 37k an ICE engine is just starting to get into it's strongest running. This is all depends on how well it's maintained, of course.

  • @thegzak
    @thegzak Před 20 dny

    Is it because of the age and mileage of the old car, or the small tweaks and improvements they’ve made in the newer one since then?

  • @ryanpetree6475
    @ryanpetree6475 Před 21 dnem

    It looks like you have aftermarket wheels on it. So are they wider/heavier? That would absolutely make a big difference and explain why you had a better ET even though you had a few mph less.

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 20 dny

      They are much lighter than stock and the same spec as the Tesla track pack wheels and tires

  • @rsxingaz
    @rsxingaz Před 20 dny

    Need to rerun the race with the same wheels and tires on both cars.

  • @jakeclayson7647
    @jakeclayson7647 Před 20 dny +2

    Never thought I would be so bored watching such a fast race. 🚗 🔋 🔌 🥱

  • @ImpalaSS08
    @ImpalaSS08 Před 21 dnem +18

    At least it depreciates faster than it gets slower. 😂😂😂

    • @JohnSmith-pn2vl
      @JohnSmith-pn2vl Před 20 dny

      ppl vastly underestimate the brutal unnormal brake performance demanded of a drag race, the brakes are perfectly fine, for track there is the package. you wont need brakes outside inthe real world except in germany

    • @minibikemadman
      @minibikemadman Před 18 dny

      hahahaahah so true...battery degradation is 100% bound to happen..I bet a 100k mile plaid can probably run near the 11s.

  • @Cyborg_Auto
    @Cyborg_Auto Před 21 dnem

    Nice to see a real steering wheel in the 24..

  • @Peter_Trevor
    @Peter_Trevor Před 19 dny

    New brakes! Does this now mean it will be written off?

  • @gregmatson1470
    @gregmatson1470 Před 21 dnem

    The new red is a huge improvement. Why didn't you ever upgrade to track package with the carbon brakes? Edit* I posted before the end of the video. I get not spending $10k at this point, but you could have bought that package 12-18 months ago when if first became available and make up a chunk of the purchase price back when you go to sell.

  • @hobby_dude_
    @hobby_dude_ Před 14 dny

    Someone like Brooks has enough money to buy a new plaid every couple months and not even thinking about the cost. He'll make more money from this video than what a new plaid cost... Lol

  • @ishb3w
    @ishb3w Před 21 dnem

    send a data log to Elon for a tune revision. lol

  • @MVSky.
    @MVSky. Před 15 dny

    Different trend, Different weights of both driver's Different reaction, and different tires it going to make a difference.

  • @michaelmansour6326
    @michaelmansour6326 Před 21 dnem +1

    That second race 4:24 you guys launched almost exactly the same! Less than .08 difference and 4mph is not bad at all with 37,000 miles. Still super fast and will still whoop most anything on the streets. Still a low 9 sec car and you've beat on that thing.

  • @LexRex717
    @LexRex717 Před 17 dny +1

    Wow it really lost a bunch of MPH !

  • @iissac22
    @iissac22 Před 21 dnem

    Any gas car with this power launching like this would start breaking thing all over. How many battery reaplcements and electric motor replacments have you done?

  • @jamiered7102
    @jamiered7102 Před 18 dny

    9.3 and 9.4 is still so fast. Sweet

  • @6GZL1
    @6GZL1 Před 20 dny

    It depends a lot on the charging habits and typical SOC the car has seen. Was it charged to or near 100% quite often? Supercharged to 100% often? Did it sit at 100% SOC for long periods? When it sits for longer periods, is it kept between 30-50% SOC?
    The power falloff from 100% down to ~65% is a tenth or less on a fresh battery, so there’s no need to charge the car to 100% a lot for daily use. Hell, it’ll still run 9s at a 20% SOC. Keep it between 50-80% max for daily, just charge to 100% right before you go to an event or something where you’re trying to put up your best possible numbers. When you do charge to 100%, try to time it to complete right before you leave so it’s not constantly recharging it from 98% to 100% over the time leading up to your event. Battery care has a slight learning curve to adapt to in order to keep it near full capacity for as long as possible. If these things were all done, then I’d venture to say that the battery is degrading at a slightly more rapid pace than it should, given that it’s not another problem that is. You may want to do a battery health check through the app to get an idea where it’s sitting. Love the videos. Keep it going!

  • @kroven009
    @kroven009 Před 21 dnem +1

    Hopefully they'll have a new version by next year. They seem to do the big changes every 4 years or so. This battery degradation makes me not want a used one because who knows how the previous owner treated it.

    • @ZREXER1250
      @ZREXER1250 Před 20 dny

      But with EV depreciation about the same as dropping an anvil off a cliff, a three year old Plaid is half price compared to new and still faster than virtually anything on the road.

  • @Smartfournone
    @Smartfournone Před 15 dny

    Tesla is also notorious for updating/changing/tweaking things and not mentioning it anywhere on their site or documentation. They have prob made some small changes too, its been three years since it came out.

  • @rhysmorris2245
    @rhysmorris2245 Před 21 dnem

    Correct me if I’m wrong but can’t you can pay to get new batteries and motors fitted from tesla after so many miles

    • @wjrneo2
      @wjrneo2 Před 21 dnem

      Might as well buy 50% of another Plaid if you wanted to replace the batteries and motors.

    • @rhysmorris2245
      @rhysmorris2245 Před 21 dnem

      @@wjrneo2 true

    • @bbc_junior4863
      @bbc_junior4863 Před 20 dny

      At a large cost yes

  • @patara1234
    @patara1234 Před 14 dny

    just connect obd scan tool to see the current draw from battery during drag. if current draw not differ from new one. the thing to reduce car performance at high speed might come from using oem part differ from original equip that include wheel and tyre and aeropart that might affect more drag force on car at hight speed. also check the cooling system is a big issue for ev car if current draw a bit lower than normal.

  • @rbs427
    @rbs427 Před 12 dny

    What wheels are on the 24? If the 21’s. Than that’s why. They give better trap speed.
    Use the same wheels and retest.

  • @neil9184
    @neil9184 Před 12 dny +1

    in the third race if you dont count rt the old plaid lost

  • @dl8538
    @dl8538 Před 21 dnem

    Great vid!! +1 for everyone who's commenting about battery degradation/age (especially if you Supercharge often). One other weird consideration: I really appreciate the way both cars started with equal SoC, but were they running the same Software version?? Just to ensure it's as apples-to-apples as possible!! Thanks!

  • @WestCoastSupercarsandClassics

    How does your Dragy compare today with your Plaid when it was new? That would give you the most accurate measure of performance over time.
    There is definitely a hp difference between the two at this point.

    • @DragTimes
      @DragTimes  Před 17 dny

      9.2 @ 152 MPH when it was new....

  • @znorman63
    @znorman63 Před 9 dny +2

    I'll stick with my V8

  • @F8Tributo
    @F8Tributo Před 3 dny

    Elon knows more about manufacturing than anyone else alive. (By his own admission)

  • @keith-jo6wg
    @keith-jo6wg Před 21 dnem

    This seams like a Rerun vidio?

  • @2camsam
    @2camsam Před 18 dny

    The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the state of entropy of the entire universe, as an isolated system, will always increase over time.