Go Seigen (W) vs. Kitani Minoru (B) ShinFuseki game 2
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2020
- Go Seigen 5P vs Kitani 5P 1934-1-30 JubanGo game6 sponsored by Jiji Shinpo
This was Go Seigen's first Jubango, played from 1933 to 1934. After this 6th game the score was even at 3-3, but the JubanGo was abandoned when Kitani promoted to 6-dan pro.
In this video I play through the moves of this game played by two outstanding players. This is a common form of study for pros, and I hope that you will find it relaxing and entertaining. In 1933, Go Seigen and Kitani Minoru worked together to produce some innovative ideas for the opening, and they called this the 'Shinfuseki', or 'New opening'. While both players that they should re-emphasise the value of the center, Go Seigen liked the idea of playing 3-3 and 4-4 points for speed, and Kitani focused more on playing high points in the corners. These new ideas and radically new opening patterns associated with Shinfuseki stimulated creative play by many top professionals in the mid-1930s, and made a lasting change in opening theory.
A highlight of this game was when Kitani (Black) deeply invaded White's area in the upper left. Black's invasion died, but in the ensuing fight Kitani was able to surround a large area in the upper right and secure a lead. Black eventually lost the game with a mistake in the endgame.
This game was sponsored by the Jiji Shinpo newspaper. - Hry
I find it pretty mesmerising how the wide open positions link up as the game continues. Very aesthetically pleasing.
Wow this is a really exotic game
4:30 when you invest five moves in killing a corner, but the corner ends up living anyway
They were practicing social distancing long before corona. First attache at move 25.
Go Seigen is really interesting to watch. I feel like his opening directly interferes with with his opponent's preferred style.
That's underestimating Kitani.
Interesting opening.
Really enjoyable to watch with a cup of tea. Has anyone used new AI to evaluate old games like this? How good were the old moves? Really curious.
Hello,
I dit it quickly with Leela. Here's a summary : (winning percentage, significant moves and AI score estimation)
white 77% after move 30
white 77% after move 50
white 65% after move 80 (move 80 -12%)
white 53% after move 100 (move 98 -17%)
white 52% after move 120 (black 53% after move 102)
white 81% after move 130 (move 123 -24%)
white 96% after move 140 (move 135 -16%) but AI estimation is only W+2
white 98% after move 150 (game is so close that every move that is not the best for AI leads to significant variation i.e :move 142 -17% move143 -17% move 144 -22% move 145 -20%) with AI estimation W+3
white 97% after move 160 with AI estimation W+3
white 96% after move170 with AI estimation +0
white 98% after move 180 AI estimation +0
move 189 end : W+4 (move 181 makes already W+1)
@@mathieubrun3815 Thank you very much, this is interesting! I believe many fans are curious about how the older generation Go legends compare to today's top players. A Michael Jordan vs Lebron James question 😄
@@mathieubrun3815 Very very important to remember most bots are setup to use modern Komi of about 6.5 and we don't even think about that today. But in 1930's komi either didn't exist or was as low as about 2.5-3 points. So ofc the bot thinks that white is far in the lead because to the bot white has between 3.5 and 6.5 more points in its mind than the players did at the time.
And the video explictly says "no komi" at the start. So, careful about the bot's win percentage
It was no komi become Go Seigin won the last game with komi? He has 4 komi last game as white.
I wonder whether the players count the territory size as much as the game goes on… moreover, it would be interesting to see the final count stage to assess the result…
What was black's mistake? Not saving the lower right corner?
Go asmr
partial Choco sighting at 2:15
If I didn’t know any better I would guess this was a game between two 20 kyus 😊
I want to see the ai's disappointment as it watches this game's opening
To watch another ASMR quality game played on a real between these two legends with no commentary go here: czcams.com/video/pGZluQUkflo/video.html The style of play in this game is much different as it is from much later in their lives.
Interesting. I wonder what AI says about the opening, how far off this kind of play is.
the lines of the tatamis do not align with those of the board, that is just unacceptable
2:11 is that a dog or a cat? 😂
dat
dog