Proving Dodge's 8.9 Second 1/4 Mile Claim for the 2023 Challenger SRT Demon 170 is LEGIT!
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- So I've already seen some chatter and content being put out talking about how the 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 can't run the 1/4 mile numbers and speeds that Dodge stated at the reveal. The basis of these theories being that Dodge left off the scoreboards during the dragstrip pass during the reveal in Las Vegas. Additionally, using stopwatches, people have manually timed that reveal run and came up short of Dodge's marketed numbers. Then of course they bring up the original Demon and how people had trouble reaching the marketed 1/4 mile time of 9.65.
So did Dodge intentionally try to pull one over on people by hiding the actual run time at the reveal? Did they lie and exaggerate about the 8.9 time that the Demon 170 supposedly does? Those are the questions I try to answer using actual data and comparisons. I try not to get too technical in this vid but part of answering these questions does involve some drag racing basics and the things that affect quarter mile performance.
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UPDATE: Dodge has put out the official time slip from the 8.91 run. While I was wrong on the date and place of the record run (although Dodge doing additional testing at No Problem Raceway did still happen and it's possible they did make other 8 second runs there), everything else I discuss in this vid still holds true. Plus the timestamp of the record run puts the DA at -300, so the air was not even as good as I assumed it was, which supports my belief even further that people that get this car and actually race it will not only have no issues hitting the certified time, but will most likely surpass it when in even better conditions.
LOL!! Sure they did
Where is the slip?
wheres the video of said pass?
100% agree with you on this. This is why I don't like loading up drag racing footage anymore. So many that watch don't understands D/A, weight reduction, track prep etc.
I always enjoy your drag racing content. What you mentioned is why I only race at the track in the spring and fall. Otherwise I just become disappointed at the lackluster performance when I know it can run better.
It can definitely get frustrating. There are times I stop and debate not putting up certain races or runs because of that but in the end I made a promise that every single run ever made in my 1320 will be in a vid, regardless if I look like an idiot in it (like my couple transbrake failures lol). But if I can at least help educate a couple people it'll be worth it.
Thank you for doing this!! When I realized it was Vegas, I knew they wouldn't show the time. Plus, an old racer once said to me, "Sometimes the fastest car doesn't win." There's luck involved too. Make 10 passes on the best track prep and the best DA day you've seen, and show your friends the best time slip. That's racing.
That's almost what happened the day I finally broke a 10.9 in my car lol. Best track prep day with some of the best DA and I made 10 passes that day and it was on my 10th try that I broke into the 10s with a 10.992! Thanks for watching!
Some non racing drivers don't understand drag racing variables. You are an inspiration for us 392 guys Bro! You touched on a common issue with Social Media, clueless Trolls, jealous people, and negative people running their mouths. Keep doing what you do, I am a huge fan! My Challenger is my soul, and street muscle is my passion ❤
Thank you! I appreciate that!
I had to update the thumb and title since sadly too many people don't read or watch before commenting about how I was bashing Dodge saying they were lying when it's the exact opposite. Funny part is they didn't even have to watch that far in as I state that NO, Dodge didn't lie just a mere 20 seconds into this vid.
Created a lot of conversation, that's for sure!
@@artillerybuff2000 That's definitely a good thing at least.
Great video, DA was very well explained, and you showed / proved how much DA can influence a vehicle Elapsed time and more so MPH.
Not to be critical, but the better marker / indicator of Horsepower or DA is MPH data versus ET data. ET better reflects things such as traction / tires, suspension, gearing, (basically things that effect 60' times). For example, One night notice, changing their rear end gearset from a 3:55 to a 4:10, and going from a sport tire to a drag radial. Your 1/4 mile runs might look something like this. 12.0 @ 119.1 to 11.69 @ 119.4 with DAs with in 4 percent. (these are examples from experience with my 03 Cobra - Terminator. Car improved nearly a 1/2 second, but No significant improvement on MPH. Or anyone that has raced down a official track at least 3 or 4 runs on the same day, may have noticed that there ET might vary up to 1/2 a second (due to tire spin, missed shift or ?) but the MPH should look very close / consistent (within about + / - 1 MPH).
Engine mods / horsepower is best reflected in MPH. Of course it also effects ET. Example, as above my car was running 119 MPH. Added headers (and tune to support headers) about 34 rear wheel HP or over 3 MPH. Similar DA (within 250) car ran best of 122.48 MPH. ET improved to 11.585, could have been a little faster, but track conditions not optimal / effecting 60 foot times. (FYI - My Goal was 11.499, so the track would have to tell me to slow it down, go home, or come back with a rroll cage).
One last thing. In the video you gave a very good analogy, stating if you go hiking up in the mountains or any hard exertion, you will probably notice getting short of breath much easier than at a lower elevation. Which is true but you said because "there is less oxygen." Not to split hairs, but there is No difference in oxygen, it is just the natural force (lack / decrease of a natural force assisting air / oxygen into your lungs)
Anyway, really good informative video !!!!
I live in Phoenix Arizona. Last weekend was a Sad Day for us Arizona Drag Racers ! The weekend of March 24-26 was a National NHRA Event held at Wild Horse Pass Raceway, formerly Firebird Raceway. Track opened 1983 (I was there opening Day at 16 yrs old) and track saw its Last event last weekend, I was there also. Sad to me personally, as I have been going to this track as a racer and spectator for 40 years. (I even took 2nd place in the High School drag racing event they had in 1985). The whole racing facility will be gone and will be part of a highway overpass.
LAST Note:. Clay Milligan (Top Fuel Driver). Has a 8 minute video talking about this Drag racing track and all the other racing this facility supported,. Drag boats, road course, Bondarant school, etc..
If you got this far, thank you for reading, Again, Liked the video !!
One last Note.
Congratulations to Dodge, and Many thanks !!! For Totally Pushing the envelope. A 8 SECOND FACTORY CAR.
REALLY A AMAZING FEAT !!!!!
A car that most anyone can buy for a somewhat reasonable price (to run in the 8s is NOT going to be cheap in any vehicle). A car you can drive to the track comfortably, with your wife and 2 kids. Have the AC on listening to a nice stereo, running pump fuel (E 85), getting decent fuel mileage, and a full factory warranty to boot !!
Almost unbelievable !!
But, I fully believe it is a 8 second car !!
MANY CONGRATS to DODGE
for doing the almost impossible !!
You're definitely right about the mph. I know a lot of my runs where I had a bad launch or something else go wrong where my trap speed stayed not far off from the good runs. I didn't know Wild Horse was shutting down too. I was there once for a Truckin' Nationals event back around 2000 when it was still Firebird. I even have the flyer from that event still. I hate that all these tracks are shutting down. The Houston track where I just ran my 10.9 the other month is having its final event ever this weekend. And I did get all the way through, including you extra note. 8 Second car that's street legal with a warranty is an insane feat. I remember racing in the 90s and thinking a 12 second car from the factory was crazy. Thanks for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
This is why Tesla plaids are consistent they don't use air to move they use electrons. If people would understand if you have a refrigerated cooling system to freeze your intakes and a freezing radiator for intake air it may get 7's. Because Air density would be exponentially denser. But that would be a heck of a air cooling system.
Testicle not Tesla
@@Americafirst-i8q oops my bad I stand corrected!
I agree with you 100%.
I truly believe the Demon 170 could have pulled out a 8.9 run. In perfect weather conditions and a Pro Driver in the Seat , WHATS NOT TO BELIEVE.
In my younger days ( i will be 74 in April ) I drag raceda cars, bikes and road raced bikes. Weather conditions including elevation play a MAJOR part in vehicle performance"
Everyone stop hating.. this is a beautiful car. If you don't like, go buy a ford...
I'm definitely not hating and yes, this is definitely a beautiful car.
for real , all the hard work is done on this car to just be enjoyed versus having to drop extra $ on modding something that won’t have WARRANTY
Mopar Insiders bought a 2019 "1320" fully loaded model. It struggled to do under 12 seconds in the quarter mile. Also, Jared Balfour was overweight.
Jared got frustrated and sold it shortly after using the excuse that the clearcoat was flaking off the quarter panels.
In reality, the 1320 carried about 300 lbs more with the accessories plus Jared's extra weight. The only flake was Jared.🌬️❄️
I watched all those 1320 vids before I got mine. I think it even had a sunroof lol. I was disappointed when they got rid of it. I know with mine I hit Dodge's 11.7 for the first time in Houston when the DA was around positive 1100. That was before I did all my weight reduction and the only thing I pulled were the seats and I was still a little bit heavier than a stock 1-seater (not to mention I'm 235 myself). I even ran on the stock 20s with stock Nexens on the back. So in the case of the 1320, they easily surpassed Dodge's claims.
Great video and facts. I agree 100%. My firebird in bad air ran 10.50 at 128 mph. In good air it has run 10.04 at 134. Air makes a big difference in E.T. and M.P.H. especially in these EFI controlled autos that adjust to temperature.
I appreciate the comment, thanks for watching!
Ok everybody the car will run the 8.9 in the perfect conditions will u get perfect conditions everyday hell no and i fell bad for people that live in high elevation its not gonna run those times i live in denver and know cars here run slower
As much as I love places like the Black Hills of South Dakota or New Mexico, the thing I always think of first when the thought of moving pops in my head is, 'but my car will be slower', and the that thought disappears lol. I'm not in the best location either. Elevation wise it's not bad but the summers are brutal here. Very first time out in my 1320 the best I could do was 12.4s it was so hot, and that was at around midnight!
Man, it gets old trying to explain to these folks. Even Dragtimes explained the Demon times to ppl that didn’t understand why owners couldn’t hit the 9.6 mark. But like you said, most these drag guys are inherently jealous or envious and look to capitalize
It does get old, but if I can at least get a couple more of them to understand then this vid is worth it. In the end some people will want to stay negative though.
You are 100% right!!
I think Dodge exceeded expectations. I knew they wouldn't show the score board at Las Vegas, that certified 8.90 was in perfect conditions at a great DA track. Just like the advertised 11.7 times for the 1320's, my best there is 11.8 in a single seater with optimum tires & wheels, light battery, and cool weather. It's probably a solid 11.4 to 11.5 at a faster track...
BTW, racing there again this Friday-Sunday 😊 Yes, very long inclined shutdown. I hardly need to use my brakes lol. Also, four drag lanes!! Very nice facility...
Finally, someone with common sense. Good job
Appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
Gr8 video Chris. This is 1 of the reasons why i watch all your videos. Knowledgeable and honest. Cant' wait for your next video and the start of your racing season. Any thoughts on mods/improvements to your car for this year? What is your next ET goal? Jim/Durand
I really appreciate that. I'm always working on the knowledgable part but being upfront and honest is something I strive to always be. Maybe its the old Air Force core values in me. Mods are going to be minor for now until there's more info on the Direct Connection kits for 392s. My main goal is to break a 9.99 next, but it's not going to happen until the Direct Connection stuff is figured out. In the meantime, a short goal is to try and get back into the 10s in not as good weather conditions.
I trust Demonology. He is an honest man for sure. 👍
Right😂 after all the truths he was caught saying
If I met you face to face, I'd shake your hand. This is Complete Drag race knowledge and is Extremely important. We run T/A events in Sacramento ca. Our qualifying passes are written down in our Sumit racing book. DA,Weather,Grains,Tire pressure ect. Bracket racing is a science and you explained it the best I've ever heard. We can go to our book for reference and dial in a number to be competitive and all that you explained, Shallow-Deep stage is a science! Well done sir👏 The Demon 170 absolutely can run & we can't wait to see an enthusiasts go after that 8.9 NHRA Certified time!
Thanks! I appreciate that! I'm trying to make my way west for a race or two eventually, maybe one day I'll make it out to Sacramento.
Vegas is an awesome track, but notoriously slow. I was there that weekend for MATS and we were all stoked to see DA there in the 3000' range as it's usually 5000'+ there, 7-8k in the summer. Love the vids!
That's what I hear and I'm hoping to make it to next years MATS out there. Thanks for watching!
@@Scavenger1320 See ya there.
You’re correct. My Roadrunner was a full second slower at Bandimere depending on the DA of course. DA’s there would exceed 10,000’ in the summer. I’m going to a local TNT tonight with the DA forecasted to be 2000’. That’s a good compromise between the hot summer months and cool spring/fall type DA’s. Hope to see a 11.2 or 11.3 in that DA this year. I’ll let you know how it goes. Great video BTW.
I was thinking of you and your roadrunner when I decided to bring Bandimere into the conversation. Figured anyone who has raced there would understand. Hope the TnT went well! My next race is going to be in 2 weeks at the Big Showdown here in Dallas. Hoping the weather is decent but this time of year it's a rollercoaster so there's no telling what we'll land on that day.
Hey, I timed it. I'm no computer. And from camera angles I got times ranging from 9.4--9.5 as well.
You are 💯 on the money. Density altitude affects everything that relies on air pressure for operation, from goats to aircraft.
And I'd say it's an even more important factor with aircraft! Thanks for watching!
Great channel man! Good content and awesome work on your car
Appreciate that!
Many many people do not understand drag racing. DA matters a lot. A bad launch that’s .3 off your normal 60ft will cost you over half a second on the big end.
Yup, and that was part of my goal with this vid, to try and help at least some of them understand why a car might run drastically different times. There's definitely a lot more variables than just the ones I hit on in this vid too.
It also makes a big difference who driving the vehicle someone who is 240 pounds or someone who is 150 pounds will make a big difference
I think RacerX needs to watch your video. Nice job .
Thanks! It would be great to hear what he'd have to say after watching my vid, but honestly I'd be surprised if he did watch. I did have him on one of my livestreams though last August when I ran into him at Dodge Speed Week.
Took them a week working 24/7 and getting a pro driver and go to the fastest track under the ideal conditions ! I ran a weekly racing series in 1989 , depending on the weather ,temp. DA, ETC, ALTITUDE , at 10" above sea level best 11;66, and hot humid brutal day at over 2000 feet same car ran 11.90s
That's all a part of chasing records. Took me almost 2 years driving around the country and chasing great DA to finally achieve my goal of running a 10 second 1/4 mile with a stock 392 drivetrain. I'll be at a race next month that should have several 170s at racing and there's a good chance the conditions will be similar to Dodge's record run, which wasn't even in the absolute best conditions either, great yeah, but not the best. What gets me though is why would anyone think any car manufacturer would NOT try to get the best speeds/times/performance specs/etc.? And more so than that is everyone thinking that every car should always hit a record time no matter when or where.
Awesome video I watch all your content.Im a dragracer also 18 mustang gt.Bracket race and index race.But not a youtuber.Love your content.
Thanks! I appreciate that! Hopefully I see you out at a track one day.
Very Very interesting and great information 😮
Thanks!
sounds like Houston is the place to race since Im in San Antonio. But where can I go a 1/2 mile or a full mile in my REdeye?
Too bad the Houston track is shutting down for good after next weekend, at least the 1/4 mile track. For 1/2 mile and 1 mile you're just missing out. There's a 1/2 mile event called Airstrip Attack going on this weekend in Hondo which I think is close to you and there's also a 1 mile event, The Texas Mile, also going on this weekend in Beeville. I'm pretty sure registrations on both of those are closed now though. The Texas Mile will run again in Beeville in October and Airstrip Attack will be up in Abilene in October also.
@@Scavenger1320 hey thanks! Yes, I do both of those events but was looking for lower elevation around there. Sorry to hear about your track. San Antonio Raceway closed last year and everybody was up in arms. You don’t know what you got until it’s gone 😩
@@LastCallDemon170 Yeah, I actually live by Dallas so I still have my home track in Ennis at the Texas Motorplex. Houston was my favorite track though and always had better conditions and more events to race at.
I'm not a heater, just a fan of dodge but also I have a mustang running 8.9 with little less than 1k of hp and on no very good DA up to 90sF run at least 9.1 on clean passes, I just only wanted see the real numbers what dodge bring if was 9.4 the racer know with simple mods must be on the 8s but Dodge let me the same as the tazer videos, say power numbers and track ,look the car and watch the run but don't show times 😅😅😅
problem is most people aren't racers and all they care about is that 'record' number. If they showed the numbers and it ran a 9.5 people would just trash talk how it's supposed to be so much more powerful than the OG Demon but can just barely outrun it. But that also goes to my argument of what if they did the reveal somewhere else? At the exact same time there were tracks with negative DA, and other tracks with worse. The numbers could have been all over the place. No other manufacturer is touting 'average' numbers. Same with horsepower ratings. Clearly the engine, or any engine in any car, isn't producing the power figures manufacturers certify and display on window stickers when they're in higher elevations or worse atmospheric conditions.
I have a 06 Chrysler 300c SRT8. What was in that Chrysler 300 you ran, because that thing was quick running a 11 second quarter mile!
Turbo'd 5.7. Here's the link to that full vid. At the 8:53 mark I show his car and what he has under the hood in the staging lanes before our run czcams.com/video/NQu9yQZFCf8/video.html
@@Scavenger1320 Thank you! I knew the 1320 Challenger's were fast and expected to run a 11.7 quarter mile but the fact that you got yours in the 10's with weight reduction and the right tire is impressive as hell!
I ordered my 1320 bare bones but with the back seat and passenger seat . That was the only option 😅
Same, except I couldn't resist adding hood pins lol. Looking back now though and knowing what I know I really wish I just ordered a single seater, still with hood pins though!
Great explanation and data to back it up, it totally agree with you.
Thanks!
Nice work Chris, you did your homework. Great video as always!
Thanks!
Well thought out and presented video, good job.
Thank you!
I’ve never seen a demon run anywhere close to the advertised time. Period.
It may have been sandbags wit da low elevation run 8:60
It's pretty funny to hear someone with drag racing knowledge and experience. Most of these guys have no idea how it works. It's just a number game to them.
Yeah, that part was really frustrating for me, just seeing people that are drag racers and should know better spewing out these theories while ignoring basic facts.
czcams.com/video/ahizgKzhGOI/video.html
3:24 (8.912 @ 151.17mph)
The quarter mile time and speed are seen as the Demon 170 burnout is passing through.
I saw that. They were just displaying the record run times the car ran, sort of like an advertisement of it, that wasn’t from the actual Vegas pass. Not to mention it was put up there well after the pass was even made.
@@Scavenger1320 yep, I thought so, too... seems weird to put it up there if it wasn't generated shortly after its actual quarter mile run. 🤔
Dodge never lied it’s just people that don’t like dodge beating their favorite cars that will hate on em. Dodge is the best
The problem is not that Dodge can’t run this under perfect conditions. The problem is the lack of transparency. Dodge should have kept the boards lit at vegas and time slip and then show a video of that record time and explain in their presentation at that time in Vegas!
They could have said at the reveal, “folks while you see a 9.5 here today at vegas, here’s a video of our record stock run at 8.9. This car is capable of this stock!”
@@weilingchan I still think they did the right thing. Problem is the vast majority of people that were watching that reveal know absolutely zero about drag racing. Trying to explain everything to all those people would be a lost endeavor and would probably end up with those people trash talking Dodge and how they were making a bunch of excuses.
Can you please recommend a some one who can tune my Dodge with HP tuner?
Only under certain conditions
everything is only under certain conditions. Engine power ratings, mileage figures, etc.
Exactly it matters who is sitting in the drivers seat are you a light weight or a heavyweight
If only I could have gotten Leah Pruett to race my car, it'd be a 10.8 car instead of a 10.9 car!
Even with perfect DA it wasn't going to run its best time with that wind.
I forgot to even mention anything about wind, that's definitely a factor too. I didn't realize it was that windy out there during the reveal.
Facts
Dodge and Tim Kuniski lies. They hate you but love your money.
Demon the best point blank
Hello gentlemen. I agree with you all about the time on the run. I don't go to a track. But I am thankful that at least there's another Demon spawn for us to enjoy. History in the making my guys. Enjoy, peace
Thanks for watching!
500+miles on the dash....Alot of runs lol
With that 60ft being 1.20 I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a 8.70 especially with the trap speed. Put it in -2000 DA at MIR or ATCO with a light weight driver and it’ll happen
Exactly, and as long as they don't load it up with options. I think this car is going to be more like the 1320 than Demon, where a ton of 1320 owners have easily hit and surpassed Dodge's 11.72 claim.
If you're in Denver add some nitrous oxide and giggle your way to the numbers
Another great video…👍🏻😎
Thanks!
Any sea level track is .2 quicker than Vegas. No Problem is a fast track. Something with 1000 HP should not lose as much ET in bad air as lower HP cars.
How do you figure, lower hp cars are effected More ??
The Regular Demon people couldn’t get the 9.6 down . I want to see what people are going to do when they buy it , I say low to mid 9s.
Low to mid 9's is what it already ran in the higher elevation and higher DA of Vegas based on what most people stopwatched it at, so I'm willing to bet 8.9s and 9.0s won't be uncommon all over the east coast and south. But unfortunately we already know that what most people are going to do when they buy it is store it in the garage.
@@Scavenger1320 I agree!
Altitude in Vegas is high. So obviously, it'll run faster at sea level track just like any other drag car🙄
Wish me luck, me and another person are 1 & 2 for getting the only dealer allocation. They are still deciding because they cant get ahold of the guy in #1 spot. Yikes!
If only it was so obvious. I keep seeing more and more vids and posts popping up where either people don't know or just ignoring that fact.
Good luck getting one of the allocations!
Straight facts!
Thanks!
Is there a video with the claimed 8.9 run?
No video, but they've released the timeslips and there were three 8.9 runs
The 8.9 pass is NHRA verified.
If the 1025 number is to the wheels then yes, it's believable..... maybe 🤔 . If it's to the crank, then high 9/low 10 second car
High 9/low 10s is what the OG Demons are doing at 840 hp. I'll be at the Legion of Demons event in January where I know there'll be some 170s and I bet we'll see several 8s.
OMG !!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY AUTO ENTHUSIASTS DONT UNDERSTAND THAT !!!! I tell them,,,,,the green light wont start the clock !!! the timer starts when you break the beam !!!! I draw illustrations and they cant understand !!!
Yeah, that one gets me all the time when I see someone look at the reaction time and comment that they'd get a better time if they improve their reaction. I need to show them one of my runs where I was practicing my transbrake and had a 4 second plus reaction time and somehow still ran an 11 second 1/4 mile lol.
i just seen a board for 8.91 in a reveal video
TFLnow video at 3.24 shows the board on! 8.91 151.17
@@OuTcAst1958 they put that up well after the actual run. It was clearly more of an 'advertisement' of what it's capable of rather than a late display of what it ran earlier that day.
I don’t know if you saw my ig post but I said they lied. Never showed the time when it passed and they had the clock on prior to it crossing .
There’s a reason for that which I explain in this vid. I don’t believe they lied and talk about all the reasons why here
@@Scavenger1320 I saw , you mentioned it was done in Louisiana and that’s my home state , I don’t know why they never mentioned it on live .
I've done a lot drag racing. I wouldn't call Dodge a liar over it! People who drag race know there are a lot of variables that effect 1/4 mile time.
You point to one at Vegas because while not exceedingly high it has some altitude. I have ran at Vegas. I've also ran at Orlando Speed World.
Tire Compound is another! Not dissing Mickey Thompson but those are DOT drag tires! If wanted to run a serious time those would be the first things I'd change! Then tire circumference also effects gearing!
Now you might say but you are taking it from stock! Seriously what serious racer isn't going to play around looking for the best possible combination or more power?
The fact is the car as it is has the potential to run the claimed numbers! In the right hands with the right driver it may in fact run faster than their advertised times! As someone that has track time I see a few areas I'd be playing with it to set it up for me. I think this time will turn out to be different than with the original Demon.
Let's face it there are a lot of people on the let's trash Dodge for anything we can bandwagon because they are pissed off over the cancellation of the Hemi! Today the Camaro was just announced as being cancelled! The Mustang is on borrowed time to! I love the sound of big and small block Mopars of a different generation. I don't find seeing why Dodge is doing what it is doing too hard to comprehend like some seem to be having a problem with. I'm just glad other than potential future car prices its not going to the 1970's all over again. At least EV's can get out of their own way! I think they will offer something with the Hurricane 6 as a crossove vehicle. I get a 6 isn't a V-8 but I also get the right set up six can beat an 8 cylinder even one that has been worked and of significantly more cubic inches!
It sounds like you're saying I'm calling Dodge a liar but if that's true then you didn't watch any of my vid because I said pretty much the same as you. If you're not then i'm just misreading but either way, yes, there's a lot of variables and I completely agree that this car as it is can run Dodge's claimed numbers.
@@Scavenger1320 Honestly I didn't watch the whole video! Nothing personal I'm over the Hemi dying babies! I just thought it was going to go that way! I'm old school Mopar as I implied in my comments. Built from 318's to 440's. Brought a 440 powered sleeper from Florida to here in AZ. It was surprising the difference between there and here power wise. For what it was and for here it was still a surprisingly fast car.
@@lisam4503 I'm old school mopar too, just never had the privilege of owning one, but I've been exclusively driving Mopar only for 30 years, mostly with 318s and 360s.
Thanks your right they all love is click bate I’m unsubscribing from today forward
Let the conspiracy theorists begin!
They've begun and I'm seeing more and more jump on that bandwagon by the hour.
The haters gona hate! What a joke
They sure are
I don't know why it's even question, it got 1025HP, Thicker rear tires.
Not even reason to question.
Plaid is quicker!!!!!
Nope, the Plaid that went 8.8 was modified and not factory stock
@@Scavenger1320this will go down in history as one of dodge’s biggest blunders. Where is the video of Jay Leno running a 1/4 mile in his new 170? I believe he made a video with his Plaid. They are hiding something its obvious. Until we have a time we don’t. YOU CANT PROVE SOMETHING THAT HASENT HAPPENED.
Lol.
Cool
Figures excuses 😂😂