Bourré - Card Games That Don't Suck
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This was such a great series. I'm sure the viewership/sponsorship numbers didn't justify its continuation, but I'd love to see it come back.
I think there is also a hard limit on how many actually good card games there are.
Sure they could have kept milking the series but that would require featureing steadily worse and worse games to keep making videos about.
I'd rather they make a handful of good videos about great games, then make hundreds of meh videos about bad games
@@gyroscope915 Maybe so. I don't mean that they should have treated every game that exists as a good one, and gone on indefinitely, just that I would have liked 10 more videos in the series, because there are a lot of card games out there worth digging into.
> When you go boo
> Video released October 31st
Nice
@9:25 This is a really popular game in south Louisiana. We usually play during family get togethers (quarters only), and our house rule is that zero tricks just means you double your next ante.
Thank you so much for introducing the fans to Bourre. This was my first trick taking game, which I learned when I was around ten. I remember my parents sitting around with their friends playing “boo-ray” late into the night. It was raucous an intoxicating, so of course I had to have them teach me. Needless to say, we just played for valueless chips, and I drove my sisters nuts trying to get them to play with me. Sadly, in the fullness of time, I forgot everything about boo-ray except that it was a gambling trick-taking game. Thank you again for sparking my memory.
OMG! You explained this game so good! I am French-American (Cajun). I was raised on this game. We played for pennies when I was a kid. At night, the adults would play, and it got a bit more serious...not much. We'd play for quarters, and beer was consumed. It wasn't really about the money in my family, it was just so much fun. If a family member ran out of money, we'd all pitch in so they could play some more. If you'd played really good, you might win $20 in coins, from your family! It was great fun. I was thinking of bringing this game to my new family. I was a big foggy on the details. You cleared it. It all came back. Thank you so much for posting this. Please keep up the good work!
"bourré" (with two r) means "completely drunk" in french, which makes this video particularly exquisite. Hi from France ! o/
Yeah but this game is called "la bourre" in French. I mean kinda. It seems like a fusion between La Bourre and Le Tarot.
Ohhhhhhh, that makes sense! And in Spanish, “borracho” is drunk, so they have a similar root, I believe! I learned that one from “Rio Bravo”.
Except that that's what it means in popular language, not originally.
There was me thinking it meant "butter". xD
Oh that's beurre. xD
This game is actually huge around the southern area of Louisiana.
This game was introduced to me in college with the name "Blu Ray". I guess something got lost in translation.
EXACT SAME (except instead of college, all the wait staff played it at a restaurant where I worked for a summer) and I only realized earlier this year what it was actually called.
Oh man, where can I find that deck?
Edit: I found it, it is the "Birds: Playing Cards" by Ryuto Miyake
I bought it when I saw it in the background of another video with Quinns! It's a gorgeous deck!
quinns: “trick taking games are a nightmare to explain”
me, from the midwest and forced to play euchre since i could count: “can’t relate”
Yeah, for some reason I grew up playing Hearts/Black Maria, (the 70s and early 80s had a lot of free time, given that we didn't have the internet and other new-fangled distractions!) but then discovered French Tarot in the 90s and wasted many a drunked student night with that.
if you dont play with jacks high you dont have rights here
also the premise of trick taking games are simple i dont understand people who are like how do i play hearts
Are trick taking games just a Midwest thing because my entire extended family goes ape shit over pinochle
question... can the player to the left of the dealer (the person who starts the game) choose a card that is from the trump suit?
@@nicholascattell4633 can you clarify? do you mean taking a trump from the centre, or choosing the trump
The only problem with trick taking games is that it is easy for people to both accidentally or intentionally cheat, but it requires a fair amount of skill and attentiveness to catch it. This seems especially problematic in a game where money could be at stake! That being said, this still seems like great fun.
This is so great guys. I can't wait to try it out. Thanks for producing another high quality tutorial video.
Thank you for teaching me a game all my Cajun family knew how to play, and I never cared to learn... Until now.
Growing up in Lafayette, LA I have played Bourre for almost 30 years. So to make one correction in your explanation, when the pot is split ALL player must still ante up on the next hand. And if you happen to not win any hands, your punishment is matching the existing pot as your next ante, which of course meant you
"bourre'd".
Use to have poker games at my place back in the 70s on the MS coast. Not being native to the area I found it hard to keep everyone focused on poker. If you just left the room for a minute you came back to a bourre' game. Bourre' adds chaos to gambling odds. Not a good thing. It attracts those who want to play, Follow The Queen or Dr. Pepper. The best I can say for bourre' is play a lot of Hearts or Spades. Whist is a great game as well. Then you will be prepped for bourre'. Those games will help you learn how to slough the unwanted cards.
as a fan of Hearts, this seems right up my alley
Great vid, as always! You guys should (read: MUST) try "Mus", sort of the Spanish (specifically Basque) poker. Undoubtfully one of the most popular card games in Spain, together with Briscola (here called Brisca)
Brilliant series. Can’t wait for the chance to try out several of these card games that don’t suck with my mates.
I almost left the video when you mentioned it being a trick taking game, but I stayed because I like and trust your series haha glad I did
Please do more of this series
This is very similar to a game in Portugal called "Lerpa" (which seems a conjugation of the verb "Lerpar", which is colloquial for "to die"). As a kid, I clearly remember my grandmother bragging on numerous times about having won a bit of money playing this in her brother's house.
If "Skull" is the game every party should be playing in RPG taverns, Bourre is the game played in the high stakes room in the back of the thieves' guild.
00:19 🃏 Bourré, a popular gambling game, competes with poker in NBA circles. It's a trick-taking game, often enjoyed by larger groups.
01:30 ♦ Ante up! Players start with an ante, receiving hands of five cards, one face-up, establishing the trump suit.
03:09 🃏 Understanding trick-taking: Players play cards in a round, following suit; trump cards beat other suits. Winning more tricks than others is the goal.
06:45 💰 Winning tricks equals winning the pot, but beware: no tricks mean penalties. Pots can swell quickly; pot limits and responsible gambling are encouraged.
09:56 🔄 Variation: Simultaneous decision-making to stay in or fold adds chaos to the game. Bourré's unpredictable nature keeps players engaged despite high risks.
If you're looking for more French card games, Barbu is great. Especially if you include the Ravage City variant.
"This is way games of bourré sometimes end in actual fights-"
Tell me more.
shadowscribe a couple NBA players got in a fight over it, one of them threatened to shoot the other guy in the knee and the other guy left his guns in the other guy’s locker (in a “come on, yeller belly” kind of way) and then got banned from the league because he kept on making jokes about it.
Look up Gilbert Arenas lmao
Definitely playing this for my next poker night!
"Like tears, in the rain." I love that quote from Blade Runner. Kudos, Quinns, kudos
It seems like its really easy to cheat in, considering you can avoid doing the "YOU MUST PLAY HIGHEST RANK" rule if u wanna be sneaky.
This game is very similiar to the turkish card game "Batak". I guess most trick taking game just evolved from each other
Now with dice games that don't suck PLEASE!
The last one of these before everything went weird. The loss of this and Mothership were minor, but sad losses to the Pandemic.
I've enjoyed it!
I’m from Louisiana and this game is hugely popular back home.
As a person of experience. Could you tell me what the point of a player passing is? If there is no further betting in a round then you may as well be in it to win it.
@@bigfatcheeser I must admit that I am not a person of experience as even though I come from Louisiana I am not a fan of gambling, and 9 times out of 10 if someone is playing Bourre then actual money is on the table. Also, there are a lot of variations of the basic game. For instance in SUSD has the last card of the dealer face up for the trump card - I know of no one who plays like that - the first player chooses what the trump card will be with his first play. In my own experience I've never seen a game where passing is allowed, but as I've said there are variations. I've not seen or played the variation by SUSD, but again, I don't play all that much except every few years when the extended family comes together.
@@jdaigleone thanks anyway
Last time I was this early Matt was a video game reviewer.
My mind just tuned out at some point and only thing I could think was "what would Quinns look like with the classic Star Trek mirror universe villain goatee".
Nice "Like Tears in Rain" reference with Blade Runner happening in November of 2019 :)
Now I can join in my family reunion of Louisiana Cajuns. They play this all weekend long, drinking, yelling. Now I won't be missing out.
I wouldn't like this as a gambling game. If someone plays incorrectly, either intentionally or not, you can lose a lot of money. I understand why casinos prefer blackjack and poker on that basis alone.
This a good example of why turn up euchre is a great game to teach card game beginners. It teaches so many basic skills. Especially trick taking procedures.
in denmark we play this game with a twist( or a verry similar game ). it is called mousel because as the say the dealer have a massive advantage. so if the dealer is in they have to take two tricks. if they get 2 they are safe. if they get 1 they go bourré (mousel). and if they take 0 they go double bourré (mousel bet) and have to douple the pot.
Please bring us more card games that don't suck!!
I just want to remind you that you also can play the anti version of most trip taking games, where yountry to get as few trips as possible.
*trick taking, *tricks
'spent many nights playing this down on The Ship Channel. Good times man Good Times!
I play a couple of card games, i would love to see a review of them, being scumbags and Warlords ( also know as princes' and the paupers), Cado, 500 and then bridge.
This became my favorite gambling game the moment you uttered "Their ante was lost like tears in rain."
This game sounds a lot like a simpler version of "Tarock" a.k.a. "French Tarot" except that in Tarock you play with a tarot deck and the major arcana are always the trump cards.
I haven't played the game, but it feels like it would be easy to "cheat" accidentally or on purpose. Especially when drinking is involved and it becomes very hard to keep track of previous tricks
Tricks is just another name for books from spades!
What is the penalty if a player reneges? (e.g. they play a different card than they're supposed to, and another player catches it later in the game)
According to the pagat page, the penalty for reneging is paying the amount of money in the pot, same as if you went boo.
Edit: reading more in the pagat page, if someone reneges but realized their mistake before the next player plays their card, they can switch out their card so they don't have to pay the penalty, but they still lose the chance of getting the pot even if they win the most tricks.
A bandaid on your neck, Quinns! It would seem the card game police are really coming down with a heavy hand!
Question for those familiar with the game: if a player cannot follow suit, and has multiple trump cards, can they chose to play any trump card or must they play their highest? I'm thinking of a situation where a player is the last to play in a hand, and can win the hand with any trump card. Of course they'd prefer to play the lower trump and save their highest trump for a future hand. Thanks.
@4:51 That rule of must follow lead suit & secondly trump suit is true for any trick-taking game. Same in Spades. If you don't play the lead when you had it then you "renege". If you renege in Bourre, you have to pay the pot total in as penalty (like getting no tricks).
And really , to win the trick you WANT to play the lead suit first & then trump anyway.
This game has similar mechanics to the italian game "Bestia", since you already reviewed an italian game you may try it out!
Hey, I grew up playing Bourré with my highschool friends in Mississippi! Weird to see on SUSD honestly lol
I'm sure I'm the 500th person to suggest it, but you guys should check out Cuttle. It's like MtG but with normal playing cards. www.pagat.com/combat/cuttle.html
A rule clarification. Rule 3 was stated as "you must play a card that will win the trick". Does this mean if you have both the lead suit AND the trump suit and it is your turn, you must play the trump suit if it would win you the trick when the lead suit wouldn't? Or does rule 1 (must play the lead suit if possible) supersede rule 3?
For example, first player plays 6 of hearts, next player plays 10 of hearts. In my hand is a 4 of hearts and a 5 of (trump suit). Do I have to play the 4 of hearts or the 5 of (trump suit)?
I don't know for sure but based on other trick taking games, you must play the lead suit if possible even if you have a trump.
the 4 of hearts. following suit takes precedent
you should check Tute Cabrero! it's the Fox in the forest's grampa, 2 to 6 playes :)
I believe it began as a game in Cajun French Louisiana.
The trick-taking portion seems almost on-rails, like I don't see a huge amount of room for strategy after you start the trick-taking. And to be honest, I don't really mind it. This game has both a really good tensioning mechanic, where it stays exciting and interesting, but a low cognitive load (once you get the hang of it) that you can carry a conversation and just hang out while doing it.
You only have 5 cards, so you'll not be able to follow suit quite often.
@@scottclowe yeah, but then you just get rid of your lowest non-trump card. I feel like you can converge on a solid strat pretty quick
It sounds like a lot of fun when playing at low stakes, but without pot limit, it's basically the concept of any degenerate gambling scheme boiled down to its most elementary parts. Probably why it's popular with multimillionaire athletes tbh.
That looks like a version of what we call Briscas en Puerto Rico
What are you supposed to do if you don’t have a heart or the trump card? Are you supposed to put another suit in?
Did you consider adding Spit or Speed to the list? Both are good 2-player games. When I played in my youth, we used the "slap" mechanic in both games. I forget which of the two I liked more, but I remember them both being fun. There's also Spoons and Nertz, which are great with large groups.
Would you recommend a book of rules for these card games that don't suck?
Matthew Goczalk , books by David Parlett are good. Or the most comprehensive living reference is Pagat dot com.
Great review guys, but what happened to Quinns's neck? Did the new guy bite him? It's the only possibility I can think of.
for a game that potentially has a lot of money on the ine, how easy is it to police that people re playing the high card when they have to?
Huh, a gambling trick taking game, neat.
And this is different from poker, as the skill in this is also deciding what card to play (although less options compared to other trick taking games), where as in poker the skill is all either statistical knowledge about cards, card counting and reading your opponents. I susect I'd much prefer this!
By the look of that plaster, Quinns must have been taking 'Fury of Dracula' way too seriously.
if you didn't have the card of the suit that had been led but a trumph card instead( and it temporarily win the trick), must you play it?
fucking love that Windows 95 ass Shirt, that It's An Hour And A Half Past My Lunch Break And I'm Destroying Freecell looking ass
A wonderful explanation, I'm going to play this game soon with some friends and now I know what I'm doing so thank you, you have rightfully earned a subscriber
Great job explaining this.
this game makes me think of 'Hearts' but with more gambling
… and where you want the cards instead of try to avoid getting them
Can the kind folks of SU&SD direct me to the seller where I can purchase this most excellent deck of bird cards?
Reminds me of a Dutch card game called "Klaverjassen"; great game!
Are there any trick taking games that don't force what you are supposed to play? (for example, you can CHOOSE to play the lead suit or play something else hoping that lead suit card is more useful later)
Scott McGill all the other ones I’ve played make you follow lead, but if you can’t then you have free choice. If you don’t at least have to follow lead then the card play becomes too variable. That piece of reliable information is essential for strategy.
Edit: Nooo I’m wrong. Check this previous video for Briscola Kiomata (sp?) czcams.com/video/g0anMnovozA/video.html
Scott McGill , yes they exist. Another game they presented in this series, Briscola Chiamata, has that feature.
Yes, Wizard, for example (Ken Fisher, 1984, Amigo Spiele, Piatnik)
A game my buddy in college used to play was "Spades" they raved about it never heard of it until then.
This is just like spades except for a few nuances, such as being able to throw away cards and being able to use any suit as the trump suit!
Wouldn't 'Poker's early work' be bragg.
Finally got a chance to try this. Love the video, but there are a tremendous amount of rule clarifications that are missing or vague.
Eric Thompson could you explain some of the rules?
This game seems like you have a lot less control than other tricktaking games. Having no choice but to try to win the hand would mean that often your play is decided for you. Seems like it would just run on autopilot half the time
The primary locus of control is instead in choosing to stay in and what card swaps to do, I think; it might make more sense if you think of the actual trick-taking portion as like an extended poker showdown.
The rules State you can only draw up to four cards, and you have to decide whether you want to play or not before you draw any cards
I think Quinns' flu jab nurse slipped with the needle!
I wish I could be cool enough to wear that shirt.
Skull king is my trick taking game of choice but it's good to remember the classics!
That... shirt! ♠♦♣♥
Does anyone have recommendations for poker chips?
Is King (the card game called King not the actual card) not a thing in UK/USA/Canada? Just cause every trick-taking game of this series so far kinda disappointed me for not being as ... deep as King is. This one is interesting though. It is a nice variation on the betting mechanics of Sueca/Bisca.
Egas PintoBasto is King another name for Hook? Persian trick taking game, I think hook means “judge”, which is why it sounds similar to me
Quinn's busting out the real deal shirt
Will you be covering "Big 2"? It's like trick-taking using poker hands.
Great training learning video
so... its easy to cheat ? poker is not possible to cheat so easy so i guess thats the difference ?
i still not get what forces the player to play the card they have to play, especially in huge rounds no one notices if you play a card "wrong" like you had to play a higher card but decide to not etc. in the end you can always say "uiii mistake sorrry" ... it seems sooo easy to cheat xD
Please add Incan Gold, Coup, The Mind, The Crew, and Onirim to your list of episodes to make 😁
We got you:
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@@shutupandsitdown this is kind of what I asked for 😂. All these card games can be played with a deck of cards. Just an option to keep your excellent series going.
Uh. How weird. That is basically a very old bavarian card game. Like, the rules are mostly the same. Even the whole stick with the giant pots.
I think this might replace Three Dragon Antee on low player count D&D nights.
You should play euchre
Hey! Were these the guys who tried crokinole?
"Have to play a card that will be winning" is a terrible rule for trick taking games. Removes too much choice.
Although I agree with you the rule is in there for a very common senario:
In cases that you have taken 3 tricks and there is no hope for you losing that round, you can give a free trick to a friend of yours or an "ally" to not let them sink their money in the next pot if the current pot is huge.
Obviously the rule may lead you to losing some rounds because you may want to lose a trick in the begining on purpose to keep your better cards for the later tricks, but that is exactly what this rule tries to stop anyway, not beeing able to lose on purpose.
Besides, because everybody is forced by the rules to play automated to some extend, you can "read" easier what cards everybody might have.
Dont forget that its a gambling game with ridiculous cumulative bets, so adding "automation and less controll" isn't out of the norm.
These a great games! Showed ratscrew to friends they don't want to play anything else
Did su&sd do a video on a solitaire game? I can't seem to find it anywhere, so either they deleted the video or I'm going insane. Either way, do you know what it's called?
how does it work to challenge a player who you believe didn't follow the rules that force cards? many trick-taking games, because of their popularity and age, have multiple variants with rules that already take into account that a player will try to cheat (truco comes to mind).
It’s basically hearts with the trump suit decided randomly and betting.