I own a Rossi 92 in 357 magnum, made in Brazil, and I can tell that it is a very good quality carabine, very close to the original model, except of course the materials (mine is in stainless steel). The action is smooth as it can possibly be and it is working perfectly with any kind of ammunition, 357 magnum and 38 special alike. I also own a Uberti 1873, in 357 magnum, made in Italy, and it is wonderfully well made too, very close to the original. I reckon that Miroku is working for the original brand Winchester and is doing a pretty good job, but it is not the only one there.
Just put that Miroku Large Loop Carbine on Layaway Yesterday. Looking forward to getting her out in about 1.5 months. One thing is it is not John A Browning. His name was John Moses Browning. Simple mistake and thought that you would like to know. Miroku is even better than any Winchester made after 1964.
Thank you for a great video regarding lever actions! I recently acquired a Chiapas 1992 because it more accurately represented Winchester’s original rather than their current version. It’s just me but I don’t like Rossi’s cross-bolt safety and Winchesters ghastly orange top tang button. I can live with Chiapas historically correct half cock safety (plus the other one between my ears). 😊!
I also have a Miroku 1892. It's a fantastically well-built gun. I dislike from an emotional standpoint the tang safety, but it's useful for hunting and is in probably the least-worst spot. No issues with it at all and it's noticeably better made than my uberti handgun.
I have an old 1930s - 1892 in 44-40, A 2021 Miroku 1892 44 mag, and 3 Rossis of various rifle calibers. I can say with confidence that the Rossi's are a little less finished but the new 2020+ version are butter smooth and shoot the friggin lights out better than the others. What they lack in refinement, they make up for in Deer harvests. Iron sight 100yd shots are not a problem with them. I have several Marlins as well, I can't even imagine sluggin through the woods with my new Miroku. This is the problem with them. They are simply beautiful firearms. They are more museum pieces than meat getters. My Rossi's I can beat to death and not care. Yet all three are stainless versions and are tough as nails and wont scratch. If I did that with my Winchesters I'd be cryin in my soup as they are not as tough as the Rossi's in my opinion. It's an issue that will never be resolved. But damn, owning one is a true joy. The Japanese quality is 5 stars.
As a shooter in Blighty who collects original Winchesters - I'm a Winchester nut - I note the Miroku magazine tube looks a little short. Why - and why buy a Japanese copy when there are so many originals available?
I will say with the rossi's, they have a better cartridge guide design for straight walled cartridges, a much steeper angle. The winchesters still seem to use the original cartridge guide design meant for the bottlenecked catridges, but changed up the lifter for straight walled, making the feed angle much shallower. Though that one good thing doesn't matter, since the overall quality of the rossis are not good, they go to all that trouble of changing the design, but then everything else sucks. Overall, great video.
I have a ‘92 Miroku sporting rifle with a short 20” full octagon barrel in 38-40 cal. marked 1 of 500. I was looking for one as close to the original as possible including the caliber. That would have been available on special order back in the day. Too bad it has the tang safety though.
Have the Chiappa 92 in 357 and is quality above the Rossi but very near the Miroku in quality cause I have a 92 Miroku also.. The Chiappa beats both because there is NO dumbass bolt or tang safety. The Chiappa safety is the FIRST click of the hammer just like the Original 92s...👍🇺🇸
I have a original Winchester and I have 2 Henry's and 2 Rossi out all 5 my Winchester is at the bottom of the smoothest action then comes the Henry's the smoothest are my Rossi there is NO hesitation, you have to put more pressure down ward motion on the Winchester and Henry's the Rossi I do not.
The Chiappas are spectacular. They are the one and only way to get very very close to the old quality and finish, and in absolutely identical dimensions of the original model with no added modern safeties (most parts can indeed interchange with originals). They are simply fantastic. John Wayne himself wouldn't be able to tell the difference without looking close at the rollmark. Yes they are that good. The hard part is finding them in stock though and they aren't exactly cheap. Worth every penny though. If you can find them.
I have a Chiappa carbine and I hate to say the fit and finish puts the new Winchesters to shame and makes the other imports look pitiful. Crazy high polish DEEEEEP blue with the proper shape receiver and crisp edges and fantastic wood. All parts swap with original 92 parts and no stupid safety, rebounding hammer or coil mainspring. If you can find one, get it. Mine is an early one with the all blued receiver/ barrel but with a sexy cased hammer.
I've rotated through a few miroku 92s....They're beautifully built and shoot well. The rebounding hammer really ruins the gun. The cocking action is not as slick, heavier and stiffer. It also makes the trigger pull terrible and creates a 'dead' spot in cocking just like the 1894. The safety is also pretty retarded. Bought a Chiappa and I find it to be, frankly, a smoother, more enjoyable rifle.
The wood I got on my miroku is trash compared to yours. Bought it sight unseen so I can only blame myself but I’m still angry. Yours is nice straight grain. Mine is all knotty and irregular with lighter yellowish-brown shades
@@JayBee-cr8jm ehhh… you can see the forearm in one of my videos but it gets worse from there. Still love the gun but I wouldn’t count on that wood staying forever lol
in my opinion Winchester products should only made in the USA and nowhere else. Even though these are high quality rifles it is a shame to produce in Japan. US americana items like Jeeps, Colts, Wrangler jeeps should only made in the US . How stupid is that giving up production in the USA? greetings from Germany....
agreed ... but people need to be willing to pay the cost of higher wages, and quality control needs to be stressed in american made products. it was well known when i lived in michigan, the cadillac plant made cars with built in obsoleteness ... they knew that cadi owners usually bought a new car every five years, so gm built them to last 10.
Not substantial. The biggest mechanical differences as far as I can tell are the rebounding hammer and tang safety on the Miroku version. But you had the camera aimed too low to see what you were attempting to describe. You also failed to mention Uberti who is by far the most prolific manufacturer of reproductions.
I own a Rossi 92 in 357 magnum, made in Brazil, and I can tell that it is a very good quality carabine, very close to the original model, except of course the materials (mine is in stainless steel). The action is smooth as it can possibly be and it is working perfectly with any kind of ammunition, 357 magnum and 38 special alike. I also own a Uberti 1873, in 357 magnum, made in Italy, and it is wonderfully well made too, very close to the original. I reckon that Miroku is working for the original brand Winchester and is doing a pretty good job, but it is not the only one there.
Nice to see a young person with the knowledge and appreciation for the old school firearms… I have the same guns & gun leather!
Just put that Miroku Large Loop Carbine on Layaway Yesterday. Looking forward to getting her out in about 1.5 months. One thing is it is not John A Browning. His name was John Moses Browning. Simple mistake and thought that you would like to know. Miroku is even better than any Winchester made after 1964.
Awesome! And yes good catch didn’t realized I said A. Happy shooting!
Thank you for a great video regarding lever actions!
I recently acquired a Chiapas 1992 because it more accurately represented Winchester’s original rather than their current version. It’s just me but I don’t like Rossi’s cross-bolt safety and Winchesters ghastly orange top tang button. I can live with Chiapas historically correct half cock safety (plus the other one between my ears). 😊!
Oops. I meant 1892!
I also have a Miroku 1892. It's a fantastically well-built gun. I dislike from an emotional standpoint the tang safety, but it's useful for hunting and is in probably the least-worst spot. No issues with it at all and it's noticeably better made than my uberti handgun.
I have a Miruku Winchester m52 sporter in .22 cal. I absolutely love it. In my permanent collection.
Rossi 92 owner here……. Love it, smooth Action in 357. I got a good price on it, but they are more expensive now.
Amazing detailed video. You obviously have a fine collection!
As some who has owned both I have to say the current Browning/Winchester guns are better than the New Haven, CT made guns.
I have an old 1930s - 1892 in 44-40, A 2021 Miroku 1892 44 mag, and 3 Rossis of various rifle calibers. I can say with confidence that the Rossi's are a little less finished but the new 2020+ version are butter smooth and shoot the friggin lights out better than the others. What they lack in refinement, they make up for in Deer harvests. Iron sight 100yd shots are not a problem with them. I have several Marlins as well, I can't even imagine sluggin through the woods with my new Miroku.
This is the problem with them. They are simply beautiful firearms. They are more museum pieces than meat getters. My Rossi's I can beat to death and not care. Yet all three are stainless versions and are tough as nails and wont scratch. If I did that with my Winchesters I'd be cryin in my soup as they are not as tough as the Rossi's in my opinion.
It's an issue that will never be resolved. But damn, owning one is a true joy. The Japanese quality is 5 stars.
How r the ladder sights I was thinking about getting them but not sure if the distance would be correct for 357
excellent video, good closeups, i can see the nice build quality of the miroku, theyve also done their homework with the blueing hey
As a shooter in Blighty who collects original Winchesters - I'm a Winchester nut - I note the Miroku magazine tube looks a little short. Why - and why buy a Japanese copy when there are so many originals available?
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john moses browning.
not john a. browning.
I will say with the rossi's, they have a better cartridge guide design for straight walled cartridges, a much steeper angle. The winchesters still seem to use the original cartridge guide design meant for the bottlenecked catridges, but changed up the lifter for straight walled, making the feed angle much shallower. Though that one good thing doesn't matter, since the overall quality of the rossis are not good, they go to all that trouble of changing the design, but then everything else sucks. Overall, great video.
I also have a Winchester reproduction 1892. The most well made rifle I own.
I'm not saying john wayne didn't use one of these, but chuck conners, the riffleman, made this weapon famous.
Pretty cool 😎
How many cartridges will your original Model 92 SRC in 44-40 hold in the magazine? Some folks say 10 and others say 11. Can you verify for me please?
I have a ‘92 Miroku sporting rifle with a short 20” full octagon barrel in 38-40 cal. marked 1 of 500. I was looking for one as close to the original as possible including the caliber. That would have been available on special order back in the day. Too bad it has the tang safety though.
John A. Browning? Cmon man! Beautiful rifles though
Haha yes my bad! John M. Browning
@@foubert45 haha I always just say the full John Moses Browning. He’s too much of a legend to abbreviate
John M. Browning, Moses
Have the Chiappa 92 in 357 and is quality above the Rossi but very near the Miroku in quality cause I have a 92 Miroku also.. The Chiappa beats both because there is NO dumbass bolt or tang safety. The Chiappa safety is the FIRST click of the hammer just like the Original 92s...👍🇺🇸
I have a original Winchester and I have 2 Henry's and 2 Rossi out all 5 my Winchester is at the bottom of the smoothest action then comes the Henry's the smoothest are my Rossi there is NO hesitation, you have to put more pressure down ward motion on the Winchester and Henry's the Rossi I do not.
Win 86 was in .45-75, not .45-70, the military cartrich ~~ as far as I know.
How are the Chiappas? Those look very nice.
The Chiappas are spectacular. They are the one and only way to get very very close to the old quality and finish, and in absolutely identical dimensions of the original model with no added modern safeties (most parts can indeed interchange with originals). They are simply fantastic. John Wayne himself wouldn't be able to tell the difference without looking close at the rollmark. Yes they are that good. The hard part is finding them in stock though and they aren't exactly cheap. Worth every penny though. If you can find them.
I have a Chiappa carbine and I hate to say the fit and finish puts the new Winchesters to shame and makes the other imports look pitiful. Crazy high polish DEEEEEP blue with the proper shape receiver and crisp edges and fantastic wood. All parts swap with original 92 parts and no stupid safety, rebounding hammer or coil mainspring. If you can find one, get it. Mine is an early one with the all blued receiver/ barrel but with a sexy cased hammer.
John Moses browning...not John A browning
I think the origional has
I've rotated through a few miroku 92s....They're beautifully built and shoot well. The rebounding hammer really ruins the gun. The cocking action is not as slick, heavier and stiffer. It also makes the trigger pull terrible and creates a 'dead' spot in cocking just like the 1894. The safety is also pretty retarded. Bought a Chiappa and I find it to be, frankly, a smoother, more enjoyable rifle.
I would buy one in a heartbeat if it did not have that stupid tang safety. That thing is ridiculous.
One more thing the fit and finish is outstanding on the Rossi.
Hold up! So all Brownings are made in Japan now?!? That’s just horribly sacrilegious if so😵💫
@@Puckerupbuttercup261 well no the winchester sxp shotguns are made in turkey for exemple
@@Salty-Frenchy oh, I didn’t know that! Thanks!
@@Puckerupbuttercup261
No not all brownings and winchesters are made in Japan or turkey.
Many are made in Portugal like winchester model 70 or sx4.
Japanese versions are fantastic don’t kid yourself .
The wood I got on my miroku is trash compared to yours. Bought it sight unseen so I can only blame myself but I’m still angry. Yours is nice straight grain. Mine is all knotty and irregular with lighter yellowish-brown shades
Sounds beautiful.
@@JayBee-cr8jm ehhh… you can see the forearm in one of my videos but it gets worse from there. Still love the gun but I wouldn’t count on that wood staying forever lol
in my opinion Winchester products should only made in the USA and nowhere else.
Even though these are high quality rifles it is a shame to produce in Japan.
US americana items like Jeeps, Colts, Wrangler jeeps should only made in the US .
How stupid is that giving up production in the USA?
greetings from Germany....
Jeep made in South America
agreed ... but people need to be willing to pay the cost of higher wages, and quality control needs to be stressed in american made products.
it was well known when i lived in michigan, the cadillac plant made cars with built in obsoleteness ... they knew that cadi owners usually bought a new car every five years, so gm built them to last 10.
Safety is ugly
Not substantial. The biggest mechanical differences as far as I can tell are the rebounding hammer and tang safety on the Miroku version. But you had the camera aimed too low to see what you were attempting to describe.
You also failed to mention Uberti who is by far the most prolific manufacturer of reproductions.
why do you call the new one a remake!!! they own the winchester > they where made in europe and south america also!! the guns havent changed much
Henry....made in America...or not made at all...
henry ... copying other successful lever actions.
It’s nicer than the henry
@@sweetwater2128 it’s made in jay pan…polish a turd…it’s still a turd..
John MOSES Browning, not John A Browning….you said it wrong more than once. Let’s honor our Father properly.
what a ugly bulky front sight on the repro