Trail Bike vs Trail Bike: How Can Both Of These MTBs Be In The Same Category?
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Trail bike vs trail bike! Why are we comparing two bikes from the same discipline of riding? Well... the definition of a trail bike is quite vague actually. Today Anna Cipullo is comparing the Canyon Spectral with the Canyon Lux LT. Both bikes are classed as trail bikes but they have different geometry, suspension travel and weights. Anna sets out to find how different these two bikes really are and what makes a good trail bike.
⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Welcome!
0:30 - The two bikes | Canyon Spectral | Canyon Lux LT
1:43 - Hill climb challenge
3:24 - Descending challenge
4:51 - The conclusion
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Do you prefer more or less travel for a trail bike? Do you think the definition of a trail bike should be vague?
Lightweight trail bikes are almost as quick down hill, but WAY faster up, so it's a no brainer, lightweight is king.
It would have been rather weird to call it Lux Downcountry. So you have Lux Trail. 😂
And what is the definition, actually? Sure, a downhill bike differs at first glance from an XC bike (especially if the last one is a hard-tail), but in between those two? There is a continuous spectrum. While there is some usefulness in dividing this spectrum into a couple of categories, I think there is currently an oversplit. Bikes theoretically put in two different (but neighbouring) categories can largely overlap in the frame's geometry and suspension's travel. Each of them can do what the second is supposed to do almost with the same efficiency. Perhaps others can appreciate those large number of categories as beneficial, but for me, this is rather confusing.
Do I think the definition of trail bike should be vague...Well, my thought is why not?
I like short travel rising rate bikes myself, and my trail bike is - by geometry standards - an old XC bike but it's a little more weighty as I choose strong durable components (forks, rear shock, brakes, wheels, and groupset (etc)) over light weight race oriented components. Works a treat for me (well, not well for real downhill stuff - as you say, it does get skittish and I have faded out the brakes doing that).
Only as vague as GMBN's definition of "content"
Who comes up with the content?? The spectral vs the Neuron would of been a better comparison by far! The lux is a XC/downcountry bike.
Probably canyon deciding what models they want advertised
Came to say this as well, these two are most certainly not in the same category.
Canyon sells the Trail Lux under their cross country models. It is a down-country bike at most, not a trail bike.
thank you!
After a fifteen year pause, all modern mountain bikes look like downhill tanks to me. 😂😅
Canyon also has the Neuron, which is, in fact, another trail bike. That's what I purchased as a perfect in between from the light and race focused Lux and the burly and aggressive Spectral. The Neuron seems to get little love compared to the Spectral, sadly!
of course, I think I am going to buy the neuron too
I have an Ordeal Oiz for the long days with a lot of climbing. But I also have a Spectral 150/160 for days with less than 30km. I do have to say, the Spectral climbs surprisingly well.
I bought the Spectral, but wish I’d got the Neuron. It’s too much travel for around here and it’s not that great a climber, at least not for me anyway.
But in Bike Park Wales and Afan the Spectral is an absolute weapon.
I’m just gonna have to get the Neuron as well.
The Neuron is suffering the middle child syndrome
@@stevesullivan9377 I think you made a good choice. The Spectral is the perfect bike for everything
I was hoping for a neuron vs. spectral comparison :(
I have a Canyon Spectral Rock Shox 150/160 for smashing down technical trails and bike parks and I also have a Canyon Neuron for all-day riding and climbing with a Fox 130/140 kit. They are for different kinds of trails and riding.
I'm actually glad Canyon kept them in one category. While it is present also to a lesser extent in the road-bikes world, I believe there is a large over-splitting of typology in MTB that serves more as a marketing tool than actual differentiation of bike's designation.
i think 120mm (front) is downcountry, 130 or 140 is trail, and 150 or 160 is all mtn.
Would be great to do some runs with the Neuron aswell !
34 secods faster for the loop. Downcountry for the win, again! ✌
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The first climb attempt time would be slightly exaggerated towards a bettetr time due to being "LESS TIRED" as a rider .
I'm going to find myself in the market for a trail bike of some sort later this year. Where I live is a lot of narrow flat-ish singletrack with a lot of chatter plus some not-terrible ups and some short downs. Kind of XC and mellower trail but I'm always seeking the most freeride-y versions of trail (and city) riding to satisfy my freestyle bmx past life and tendencies. I plan to also do a fair bit of traveling to more ups and more downs and I only want one fs trail bike (storage space is low and I'd rather one bike with better spec components than multiple bikes with lower spec stuff). I appreciate these sorts of tests a lot and love the insights you give along the way. I love my hardtail but some of the flat, cattle-path-style chatter can get to be a little soul-crushing and fun-destroying as I bounce across the prairie.
Out of curiosity: When you rode the two test tracks, in which order did you go? Which bike did you ride first?
There's a lot of knowledge about a trail (and speed comes with it) to be gained by going down it a second time. I wonder if the Lux benefitted from going 2nd down the hill...OR if the Lux was disadvantaged by having to go down 1st. Sometimes I think these shorter-travel bikes have a "descent capability quotient" (a real phrase indicating a quantifiable measurement, right?) is perhaps a little better than this would imply. All you need is an infinite amount of time on unchanging conditions so you can run the test 7 times after 8 hours of sleep, perfect nutrition, and a 30 minute warmup before each run with each bike to learn the trail, adjust to the idiosyncrasies of each bike, and iron out any flukes. I look forward to the ultra-long-form of this video in the very near future!
I am a light rider and found the perfect mix of the two in a short travel lightweight bike with slack head angle that allows for a little more aggressive downhill.. Perfect trail bike. Love your presentations.
That's great, sounds like you've found the perfect bike for you. What bike is it?
@@gmbn transition spur
Geometry often plays a big big role in how a person that rides trails wants their bike to feel and handle. Personally I prefer the feeling of a slacker hta, anywhere from 63.5-65.5 is how I want a bike to handle. That being said I also don’t need 170mm of travel. I ride a Marin Rift Zone XR. It’s a 130-140 trail bike with a 65.5 hta. I want to put a 1 degree slacker headset cup in it to get the ride feel I want, but the travel feels perfect for me. Love to descend and enjoy the climbs.
My 2022 Intense has 65 degree head angle, 150 at the front and (I think) 140 at the back, the frame weighs, god knows it's carbon so probably not a stupid amount and even though it's described as a Trail bike, I predominantly use it as more as an Enduro bike and put the miles in. I think with the geometry it has, pretty much the same as a Spectral from the same year and even though it's a trail bike I'd class it as an "All Mountain" if that's still a thing.
It's just marketing to sell in different percieved segments. Experienced riders will choose frame and component specs to match what they want regardless of the branding, although labels do make it easier to talk about in loose terms.
Thank you for the excellent content on the two bikes! Just out of interest what size were the two bikes? 🚵♀️❤️
Hello. What is size of bikes are you riding in video? Thank you.
Just to chuck another Canyon in the mix, there's also the Neuron!
Sadly we didn't have one to add to the comparison! But still a great bike 🤘
How did you mount your Garmin/Wahoo onto the Canyon Lux?
Ha! Canyon and some others just don't like the name "down country" which is that the Lux is. 😀
I think there is a vagueness that neednt be there and that may fall into the lap of manafacturers that could profit from this vagueness, For the un-initiated that are quite sure of what they propose to do in MTB unless they do much research they may well end up with a bike they replace very quickly.
It’s very apparent that travel vs climb vs descent is not an even trade. While only losing a couple seconds on the descent by having less travel, you gain a lot back on the climb.
It all depends on where you want the most performance, some people also like the extra travel as a backup to help them out of sticky situations 🤘
Great Choice of Music Guys!
Thank you! Music list is in the description 🎶
OR, should we make ANOTHER video comparing The Spectral to the Neuron, and ANOTHER video comparing the Neuron to the Lux...and ANOTHER video comparing all 3...just to say "they're good, but different"
I really want to stay subscribed. I do. But someone in the writer's room needs to put a foot down and say "this is a promo video for Canyon, not an educational video for riders/buyers: let's title it as such".
Should have taken the neuron as well. That would be very interesting
I would like to see the 'bike' isolated by using the same tires/wheels on both and then compare the times. Do it once with the trail wheels/tires and then again with the XC wheels/tires.
longer travel trail bikes are ideal for the single bike cave. trails, jumps, bike parks, milk and bread they will not hold you back.
In Italy we call bikes like the spectral "all mountain"
I’m 49 and past my prime as they say. Your average rider no matter how good they wish they could be is ever going to need a top spec bike. I have a trek fuel ex5 140 front 130 rear. It’s an awesome bike. There is nothing I’ve ridden yet that this bike cannot handle. Buy what you can afford and buy just on the edge of your limit that way if you get better the bike will still be right for you.
For those type of trail you need a hardtail.
I've found that if I'm 10% faster on climbs than my friends, but 10% better on the descents, my friends will do the full ride about 20% faster. I guess that's why XC racers favor the climbing ability of the bike even if it sacrifices downhill speed.
Alots gunna have to do with where your geographically located and what you plan on riding. Also depends on what you can afford. My trailbike has no rear suspension but I mostly have steep trails with rocky downhill stuff, I really enjoy the black trails, rock rolls, jumps, drops etc, and thankfully my hardtail is taking the beating so far, its a real BMX rider's MTB, in that it also has one of the simplest forks, the rockshox 35 silver coil, so literally no adjustments except rebound which I've never touched because I just dont care, I just ride it. Its a 2023 Devinci Kobain 11s, it does the things and, to me, its my hardtail enduro, good enough for a brain injury disabled grocery store clerk bairly affording rent.
My Giant Faith 0 180mm with 40 stanchions is a trail bike... I ride it on trails all the time. (Preferring trails that go down the side of a hill... but I guess also ones that get me to the top of said hill).
(Tho I must admit I've been throwing plastic at trees more than riding at the mo)...
That can't be easy to pedal to back to the top! Throwing plastic at trees? 🤔
@@gmbn It's a little easier to pedal than the previous bike (Foes Weasel "Super Nice (In a Super Horrid Way)" Dirt Shed Show 370
Throwing Plastic At Trees..... Disc Golf
🗑🌳 🤾
(No matter how bad you are, there's always someone that's worse... just go stand by them!)
Extreme frisbee throwing 🤘
@@gmbn When not interrupted by said tree, I can hurl a lump of plastic over 100m (Length of a Rugby field).
On a calm day it's throwing plastic at trees... On a windy day its throwing myself at trees (off the bike... Zigging when i shoulda Zagged!)
Seems to me like it's time for square country bikes and entrail bikes.
even 15+ years ago a trail bike s 120-150mm travel front and rear.
i still consider my trek scratch air a trail bike at 170mm front and rear (still 26er here) running 203mm brakes.
people should choose there own definition. i once rode a orange 222 downhill bike in a entry level xc race for a laugh. (came mid pack to for the finish)
bro some might argue for your bike that if it is an enduro or super enduro and you call that trail :D ?
I would have liked it when also the Neuron was in this comparison.
Beyond people's perceptions of a trail is there are literal differences in Trails depending on where you live
#askgmbn. I am curious about muscle memory when it comes to riding. Here in Canada our brakes are set up opposite to what you have in the UK. I wonder how your presenters would do on a course riding a bike set up opposite to what they are used to. I’m not looking to see anyone get hurt but I expect times would be significantly slower
The best trail bike is the one that offers the best compromise to where you ride the most, for me it is a 120mm Transition Spur.
I would like a SPUR but they are damn expensive for a good and light build in Large. 😢
@@carltonholmes8061 I would certainly recommend one it’s easily the best bike I’ve ever owned. Unfortunately though all bikes are stupidly expensive particularly if you’re wanting a lighter build. However even though I was not happy about spending that kind of money on a bike, it is my passion and in the end I think it’s money well spent for what I get from it. I would not spend that kind of money on anything else though.
???????? I am not confused
Lux is in XC/Lux Trail
Spectral is in Trail to begin with.
As you said trail means different things to different people. I don’t think you can classify just one bike as a trail bike. I ride a hardtail that was classified as a trail bike by the manufacturer, though I would suggest it was more of an xc setup when I got it. I’ve since modified it to be more of a trail setup, but still use it to ride xc too. Just change the tyres, stem and handlebar width and there you go… mountain biking is still the best sport ever, however you classify your bike setup…😬
That's a great way of looking at it! It sounds like you've tweaked your set up to fit your style of riding perfectly. We couldn't agree more, mountain is the best 🤘
I like the term down-county for that Lux. I have a 120mm Trek Top Fuel that I consider down-country
Most of those 8 seconds were in the tyres on that sloppy mud.
65-66 HTA and 140/130 travel bike is the perfect trail bike. Screw what the industry thinks!
My Trail bike has 120/130 and a 65 head angle. I am no faster downhill on my (just sold) 140/150 bike but much faster up. I just put my bigger bike up for sale :)
That's very interesting! What bike are currently riding?
Rocky Mountain Element@@gmbn
Rocky Mountain Element@@gmbn
@@gmbn Rocky Mountain Element
They can call it what they like the LUX is down country at most 😅😅😅
Great video but hate the editing at the start
Maybe a heavier rider feels the benefit of having more travel 🤷🏻♂️
29 × 3.0 ht 120mm = trail bike 😊
Really neither is a 'trail bike', one is a 'down country'(hate that name, it's just beefed up xc) and the other is basically a short travel enduro bike which is also sort of pointless. Like others have commented the Neuron is the out and out trail bike in Canyons line up.
That is not correct, the Spectral has been completely updated from the last generation and it is not heading in the enduro direction anymore as it did before. It's now a proper trail bike.
@@patriks7 but the bike Anna is using in the video is the old Spectral 125 so my point is valid.
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When I was 6 my trail bike was a BMX and I was happy with it, ride what u got. 🎉
We couldn't agree more! What is your trail bike now? 🔥
Mountain bike categories have gone to pot, to the point where they might as well just get rid of them all together, a scott spark is supposed to be a cross country bike, yet it basically has the travel and head angle as the grand canyon hard tail, which is supposed to be a trail bike.
It's the best way companies can advertise the intended purpose of their bikes. Most companies will have differing views on what geometry/travel works best for some disciplines! Annoyingly it makes it a bit confusing for us consumers. But it's good to give you a rough idea of what the bike is capable of 🤘
@@gmbn I think something like travel and geometry would be a more accurate way.
That info is available, but without companies simplifying it new riders would struggle to buy the right bikes. The best way to look at it is as a 'helping hand', it's up to you if you take is 👌
@@gmbn The problem is the helping hand is all out of wack, what makes a bike with 125mm of travel and a 67 head angle a trail bike, and then another bike from a different manufacturer with the same numbers a cross country bike? that doesn't help new riders, and what's the difference between a trail bike and an enduro bike these days? the geometry and suspension travel? some trail bikes have basically the same geometry and travel as some enduro bikes, so what's the difference besides their classification?
Because there are black diamond trails and green trails...
Good point, but some black trails are better on a downhill bike, would this make them a trail bike as well? 🤔
Lux trail im pretty sure is a downcountry bike. 😂
Hmm oceany
Come on guys the Lux trail despite the name is even labelled on Canyons website as an xc bike. This isn’t a good comparison and Anna should stick to tech where she can be wrong over there 🤦♂️
You cannot copy Berm Peek (CZcamsr) and be respected! Ripping off another CZcamsr’s catch phrase only shows desperation. I’m disappointed, I thought you were better than that, I guess not!
All MTBs are trail bikes. 😊
Lux isnt classed as trail bike.
That Lux looks sexy.
They have 4.
Lux trail
Neuron
Spectral 125
Spectral 150
27,5?