The 2022 Toyota GR 86 Premium Is A Sublime Tail-Happy Sports Car
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2022
- The #ToyotaGR86 and it’s twin, the #SubaruBRZ are two seriously fun sports cars for enthusiasts on a budget. We’ve had a chance to drive both and you can’t go wrong with either, but more keen drivers will notice that the #GR86 from #Toyota has a tendency to let the tail step out a bit more urgently.
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This car is very underrated from the factory. Owners are getting 215 - 220hp on dynos. Figure it’s actually making 240 - 245 crank hp. The new GR-86 is almost sports car perfection.
Needs a tiny turbo to increase torque.
@@williambedard8452 supercharger
@@JediSwordMasters I drive a Focus ST and the small turbo has zero lag, that motor would work great in the GR-86. With the Ford tune I'm at stock 252 Hp, but 360 ft-lb in torque which is real nice.
Supercharger
Quoting this from an old vid , listen to that noise, this why you buy these things you can slide them around and they do a good job
I love how he said if you’re fat you won’t be able to sit in the back seats 😂
I was thinking the same thing! Didn't sugarcoat it like most people do these days.
Neptune Blue is so awesome. Definitely my next car.
Such a stunning premium sports car. One of the only car companies that still makes sports cars, and kept it strong as best as they can
Everything I have seen about this since release is that it is one of the funnest cars to drive. I love the aesthetics and have a fun commute. I need to just bite the bullet and narrow down what I want to be my daily.
Been looking at used S2000s and prices are ridiculous.. I think a slightly performance modded GR86 would be a better choice than a very used S2000 with 100K miles 🤔
agreed! unless you cannot live without the s2k look of course
If my s2000 was totaled I would not buy another one at these prices, would replace it with the gr86.
The S2K chassis, that it's a roadster, and it's engine are fantastic. While the GR86 chassis is great, it's engine is a lame duck. The S2K revs for days and you can't dismiss that and it's sound. Mix in that it's a roadster, and it's a great experience. Yeah, their prices are high right now like most cars, but they are a little higher than the norm because people are finding out how awesome they are. And a last of it's kind as honda is ignorant and didn't do a last hurrah for the car.
@@jrzez What the hell are you talking about? GR86's 2.4L engine is clearly superior to the S2000's, it's got more power and a looooooot more torque, S2000 is the lame duck here with it's torqueless engine
I have been looking at used BMW Z4 3.0si models. Right around 20k. I will either get a Z4 if the condition is really good or an GR86 in red or neptune blue
I'm digging the new GR86!. Interior/Exterior/Performance improvements!!!. a daily fun to drive sportscar!
I work for Toyota and just bought this one in Neptune. It comes in soon. I'm stoked!
I really like the new 86. Good video, Sofyan. Have a great weekend.
Wow!! This will be my only one small sportscar from Toyota for me to afford one of these someday. But overall, fantastic job and review / test drive Sofyan.
This car sucks ass. The power and fuel economy specs are absolute hot garbage. There's plenty of cars in the 200HP range that get significantly better fuel economy than his dumpster fire. I get it, you can't have it both ways. Meaning, if you want more power, expect less fuel economy but this shit is RX-8 rotary levels of atrocious.
you know the 2.4L engine is from subaru's Ascent?
Fits four sets of tires! 🤯
My favorite auto review channel….by far
2022 Toyota GR 86 Premium looks great in this blue exterior color ! 6 speed for those of us that can drive a manual transmission vehicle ! Slainte' ! Cheers !
Awesome car! Thank you so much for reviewing :)
that's the most dreamy car ever
Redline reviews is the gold standard when it comes to car reviews
such a good looking car. 3-5yrs, can't wait to see these on the used car market.
As usual, nice review. So the mileage not as good as the outgoing model? Did your rt elbow accidently hit/open the center console. That button seems poorly placed.
I subscribe because your in ever car video! Love it and will support.
Hey Sofyan! Thanks for the review. Odd question, what jacket are you wearing in this video at 17:00? I like it!
The perfect weekend tool!
Fantastic slow fun car! Love my 7 y/o BRZ.
Love the blue 🔥🔥🔥
My son has the base model, 17" wheels, all-seasom tires, with the six-speed manual transmission.
I drive a 1988 Mustang GT, 5.0, five-speed. It has been lowered and stiffened to track level grade.
In my opinion, the Toyota is the reincarnation of the Fox body concept. It's affordable, spirited,a little challenging to handle. In addition, the aftermarket tuners should have a blast with the GR86, just as they have with the Mustang.
Like the Mustang, the Toyota drinks premium (93 octane) fuel, and it doesn't sip. The best mileage I've achieved was 26 mpg, in fifth gear on a long expressway trip from Ann Arbor to Traverse City, Michigan. If the curving secondary roads of northwest Michigan hadn't been so enticing, I might have done better.
My son bought his Toyota in the fall. When the snow came, he couldn't drive the car safely on the stock tires; he bought Bridgestone Blizzaks and did better. I had the same experience with the Mustang, electing to drive it in the snow for four years. Nokian snow tires made the car a blast to drive.
Thanks for the great overview on the GR86!👍
The primacy tires that the base model comes with are actually also summer tires, not all seasons.
They're a summer grand touring tire.
A pragmatic fun-to-drive sports car
Great review
This is a great first car for a hs kid who’s parents got money
A leagues better choice than whatever Charger, Challenger, or A class the parents here in Michigan throw at their kids.
seems like kids go for wrx’s 🙄
Mine will get here in six weeks! Can't wait
looks like winter when you filmed this
As an owner of a new gr86 and a track modded 2018 brz, the 2022 model is all that and more. I hit the redline (7400) ridiculous quick in 1 and second. My 2018 brz is faster on the track, but that’s expected with a stock 2022.
Glad to hear the 86 is firmer. Makes me even more happy with the brz.
Me too
I would say if you are ok with the compromises with this car it’s going to be the better every day car. If you are looking for a great second car or just a fun car, I’d highly recommend the Miata.
It sounds awesome!
It's worth noting that this car is underrated from the factory. These cars are actually dynoing at 220-230whp stock, which means they're using wheel horsepower figures in their manufacturer rating now, not crank horsepower like in the past. The outgoing model dynoed at about 180whp, so actually this car is closer to a 240-250 crank horsepower figure than what the rating would suggest.
That explains the very poor fuel economy.
@@Anonymous______________ I can get 34mpg out of my 2017 86 so I can’t imagine that the new one is much worse than maybe 28-30mpg highway if you’re milking it just chilling in 6th gear.
@@Anonymous______________ The gearing and being a subaru boxer engine is what is causing the poor economy along with lackluster power.
no it's not..it's doing at most 215whp...still pretty DARN good... but your figure is highly inflated.
@@valentinedpg no it’s not, I’m on a forum for this car specifically and everyone is dynoing at or around the manufacturer rating within about 10hp.
Love the production!!!! Love the GR86 especially in Neptune!!!!! My name is Jason I'm an indie filmmaker, and I recently made a tuner film called Four Amigos. We're releasing on Amazon on Sept 9 and taking pre orders on Aug 26. Any support tuner enthusiasts would be awesome
6 second 0-60 is crazy improvement. This car is so pure. Glad they didnt turbocharge it.
Absolutely LOVE the GR86. My first car was a 86 CRX followed by a 85 MR2. I want to go back to a light manual rwd sports coupe to channel some of my past driving enjoyment again. The GR86/BRZ are firmly on my radar as my next vehicle, once this auto market calms down.
#savethemanual
I bought a 85 MR2 in 1988 and it was such a fun car! I test drove a GR86 a couple days ago and it was a blast! I think I’m gonna buy one. It reminded me of the MR2 days.
@michaeljohnson2922
That's exactly why I have also considered an GR86/BRZ for my next vehicle. I haven't driven one yet though.
I always wanted one of these but it wasn't practical for chicago winters😂 I got a mazda cx-30 instead.
Would this be a good first car for someone getting into road track racing like SCCA?
Hi i’m from guam. Do they have GR86 already displayed on the dealership in the U.S. cause when i search i can’t find anything. Unless you gonna order it?
Hey Sofyan! Will you be testing the Automatic too???
I'm waiting on the manual GR Camry.
Stock Exhaust Still Sounds So Good Tho.
Convertible and I’m sold man. Need a convertible here in Florida.
When I get my car Rollin like this one dude's gonna be Hagen.
The slide at 18:33 makes me want to trade my sti for one but then the sluggish launch at 21:05 made me say nvm lol
The Neptune blue gr86 is the one I want.
Really debating if I should sell my TL Type S to get one of these, people are really enjoying the hell out of these.
Selling my Accord 2.0T and placing an order on one next month. I work at toyota and when i first drove one, i was sold.
I sold my E93 M3 and got the BRZ….only due to the manual option
@@adrianmate4896 86 also come in manual
@@fahmidnd2 only BRZ available where I live, I would definitely choose the 86 if would be available here
Is there another style of glove box besides bins?
Very Nice Bro! Get Good People!
Basically Takumi's 86 from the Future
Front looks great, has hints of Aston martin, the back reminds me of a Saturn Aura or civic.
Front is like Maserati ....
Yes definitely would go with Subaru version. Mainly because of the cooler front end but also because of Subaru dealership customer service
In Australia, the GR86 is sinfully $A5000 more than the BRZ at top spec manual. The BRZ also came with a full size spare tyre. BRZ has shorter waiting list 2 months vs 12 months. Toyota has also no long offer this Apollo blue.
The Premium GR86 manual DOES include Blind Spot monitoring and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert. The base model does not.
He is driving a premium so no it doesnt
@@drdelirious8899The base model GR86 does not have BSM and RCTA. The Premium model has both. Subaru calls the base model BRZ the Premium, while the top trim is called the Limited. Again, the top trim has BSM and RCTA.
@@vlj1133 it literally doesn’t I test drove a premium automatic and it had it but when I checked out the premium manual it did not have blind spot monitoring
@@drdelirious8899 i have a 2023 premium GR86 manual. Mine most definitely does have BSM. Are you in US? I saw another video where someone said no BSM. Was not a US review,
Is the turn signal stalk similar to Tesla, where it doesn't stay in position and returns to its normal place?
Been looking for this car. So hard to find to buy. They sell so fast.
It's a 2+2, a term which might have fallen out of use, but it's used to describe a 4-seater where the second set of seats are pretty much for emergency or other very limited use only.
It definitely still has a torque dip between 3500-4500, but from reports of the first generation I haven't driven that make it sound like it was practically undrivably bad for someone who prefers low and midrange torque over peak hp, it is much better in comparison and certainly drivable. It's annoying in that, unless you're shifting at redline around town everywhere like an asshole, upshifting at less antisocial rpms drops you right into that zone of disappointment almost like a lagging '80s turbo, but without the hit of torque when it climbs out. I also don't love the throttle calibration and I changed out the clutch pedal spring, which really improved the feel. Turn signal definitely sucks. It's a BMW style and I'm pretty sure that's where BMW owner's rep for not using their turn signals comes from. Another annoying thing is shutting off the nannies requires seeing the goofy linear tach display (ESC isn't too bad, but TC is extremely aggressive-cutting in to kill engine power like you just drove into 6" deep wet concrete when the meager torque manages to spin the tires). That said, those are largely minor quibbles and it's a great car. I live in New England, so I got the base with 17s and it rides much better than I expected. Sure, it's stiff, but it floats over potholes better than some more expensive sedans. A taller 6th would help mileage, but I'm still getting 30 mpg calculated at fill ups, which is the same as my Focus ST and about what I expected (I could do even better if I drove like grandma. I keep saying I'll do that for a whole tank at every fill up, but I never make it very far before abandoning that plan). If you're getting less and you're not in LA traffic, then you should know you're going to get terrible mileage because you're hooning everywhere or else you need to learn to modulate your throttle. Light feet keep the engine load light, reducing power demand, reducing fuel consumption. If traffic is regulating your speed, why heavy-foot the throttle? There's a real-time mileage feedback-use it to determine best throttle pressure for a given speed setting (lightest to maintain speed).
Have you driven the gr 86 to make it have the torque dip problem but not as bad as the first gen?
@@MysticTheStrider Yeah, I have about 7k miles on mine.
@@mitchkelleher7972 Did they fix the problems with the 2nd gen that the 1st gen had? How's the torque dip problem? It's still there but not as noticeable or kind of subtle?
@@MysticTheStrider Some people who had 1st gens and have the new one say they barely notice it. I never drove the first generation, but judging from those remarks, I think I would have hated it especially where I'm a torque over peak power person. I would say it's probably the thing that bothers me most about it, but it is only occasionally annoying and I really like the car. It could easily handle a lot more power, but if there was a tune to just flatten the torque curve out and didn't even add power, I would get that tune and be happy (it would be nice to get rid of rev hang, too, but it's really not that bad). I didn't expect a brute and don't want one, I just prefer a consistent torque curve.
What's up with having an indicator light on during filming??
6:43 I think he meant 4 tires instead of 4 sets of tires.
Neat, now that is something.
21:05 for some reason sounds really good in this car. I consider this Toyota's Celica replacement. Good price for a fun entry sports car.
Celica? yeah no
My first car was a 2001 Toyota celica GT-S. Got it in 2004 at 16. One of my favorite cats I've ever owned. I am looking forward to owning one of these soon.
@@ez8308 Ok, maybe I confused you. The GR 86 is not the Celica as a twin but placed in the same league 2nd to the Supra. Decent performance, both came in a manual and had small 4 bangers. Seems like a replacement to me and a damn good one.
My celica gt4 st205 just sold, replacement is gr86 auto am 70 prefer auto in nz
Love this car
As a fat asian man, I can absolutely say... We DO NOT Fit in the rear seats at all lol
So if you don't have an IPhone, the infotainment system is limiting?
I did alot of research. I've always been a Ford Mustang enthusiasts. once I saw this vehicle in the showroom, once I drove it, fell in love. It's a great car, with a great looks, simplicity in the interior, straight up naturally aspirated Boxer 4. I went with an Automatic and pleased with it. it wasn't a big enough difference in 0 to 60 time to push me into the manual, besides my last car being a manual Mustang, I just was tired of shifting lol. Mist dealerships have marked these up 5 grand, I had to do alot of negotiating to get price down and even with that, never close to MRSP, with all the added fees, taxes, and if course the big fee that the owner of dealership gets, which can run upwards of $899 . No one pays MRSP
How much did you pay for the car? I plan on getting one and I wanna know what would be a good price from a dealership
I paid MSRP in Florida in January of 2023
@@josephwargo3880 what dealer?
@@user-se4tk2jj8c It was Butler Toyota in Jacksonville Florida. No BS at all. Did exactly what they said. I just got lucky on getting it however. Nobody ever has one of these on the lot, however, someone had bought a base model in red that they traded in 1400 miles on it. I wanted to see what the car actually drove like, but had no intention of getting anything other than exactly what I wanted, which was a brand new trueno blue premium six speed. The manager looked on his computer, and said that very car was 29 days out and it was available on the allotment. I got it in 21 days. I’m not sure how that allotment system exactly works, but I’m kind of wondering if because that dealer already had one that they sold me if they get allotted another one or not? No idea. But they were very straight. No BS
@@josephwargo3880 thanks for the reply. What was the out the door price if you mind?
The chrome interior door handles are chrome on the older models and on the BRZs (IIRC) - I had a FR-S and those chrome handles are junk. Black is the way to go here.
Would you get this or a second hand Q60S for 37k $?
“2 black lines on the pavement, hehehe” 🤣🤣
i read this as he was saying it lmao 😭
only thing they can do to make it better is the engine (inline 4, inline 3 , no boxer), and a lift back trunk like how the old AE86 was.
Whoa., a positive adjective title. Editor might have made a mistake. Toyotas don’t get that on this channel. They don’t pay Sofian enough for that 😹
These car has rear parking canera only, or also actual beeping sensors? I mean, can I reverse against a wall without looking at the camera, just hearing the beeping?
Just Camera, afaik. And mirrors…
The premium manual definitely comes with Blindspot warning. Not sure why you said it doesn't
Is GR86 more fun to drive than Mazda Mx-5 ND2 Miata? Which is more fun to drive?
Whats the difference between gr86 n brz？
*Remind me of A baby Aston Martin Vantage*
Nice car, Too bad thee is no stock at dealers. The dealers that have (one) are adding $3000 to the price.
Wow I would really love a GR86 but also like the upcoming GR Corolla. Although getting in and out of the GR86 would be much harder with my old hamburger eating big ass bowling ball belly making me weak at the knees yah.
That's incorrect about the bsm. One of the security features the manual (Premium only) has is the bsm.
Presenter is wrong about the Premium MT not having BSM and cross traffic alert, a quick glance at Toyota's PR material would have shown this.
Z4 240i or this?
So hard to get in 🇨🇦
Your car does have BSM. there's an LED on the side mirror frame. It's not in the mirror itself, like most Toyotas
I'd love to see someone actually put 4 tires in the back, so we can see!
4 tyres is possible. I have done it. With plenty of space to spare too. 4 sets? Maybe not.
I tested a civic si and the road noise was unbearable on FL highways at 80mph. On calls it was really difficult to hear and be heard . I wonder how this compares to the civic🧐
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3:40 - "..this premium model also has scratched headlighs from careless washing"
Toyota gr86 is faster than Subaru BRZ right Bro Sofyan bay
The markup on these cars makes me want to wait until I can buy it. I don't want to pay a penny above MSRP.
Just ordered my GR86 Special Edition. Next year the recession will hit hard and we will not be able to afford anything.
Premium fuel for less HP and Torque than my Honda Accord 2.0 that uses Regular gas with better MPG. Yes I know that is comparing apples and oranges but why can't they do something similar?
As someone who doesn’t care about blindspot warning yada yada ⚠️ why would Subaru think manual drivers don’t want it? I would definitely want it because I’m still a more advanced driver than most people and I really don’t need it and it’s just another thing to break that being said I love having little cues in the background that add to safety. just seen the little light flip up on the mirror would be pretty nice. We are not all always operating at 100%. I’ve never hit and will never hit someone because I don’t take risks with other peoples vehicles even though I drive crazy with my own. Sometimes Work was a really rough day and you got no sleep and you’re really tired so that kind of stuff can be helpful.
But I definitely wouldn’t switch to an automatic transmission just to get that
It's good
Thought it was the new Nissan Z for a second
This car is gonna age like not a milk but an amazing sports car thats affordable, not gonna disobey the law
Small is good 😊
the engine noise is pumped in. Pull the fuse lol
It's a 4 cylinder so it needed some kind of sound enhancement, it's better than changing it to an annoying aftermarket exhaust. lol
@@bj10jgo why would you want external noise pumped in at all?
The manual version doesn’t come with blind spot monitoring ?
This is Subaru, the only Toyota input is the logo, the same tricks as the Zupra, 3 cylinder Yaris is the flagship Toyota!
Not quite:
Subaru initially didn't want to get involved with the car, but Toyota basically strongarmed them into the project by buying shares of Fuji Heavy Industries.
Better to spend a bit more dough for a 400Z. What you get for that small incremetal cost is huge.