ARCANE: Why does Caitlyn fall for Vi?
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2022
- Arcane deep dive: A video analysis of the adult Caitlyn and the reasons for why she falls in love with Vi. How can a councilors daughter fall for a streetsmart woman from the undercity?
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I mean....Who wouldn't?!
My thoughts exactly 💯
I know right.
Well, Sevika for one... And Mel. And Jayce... Embessa? Viktor...
Ah, sorry, 😂 couldn't help myself... You're all so right, Vi is wonderful, she is badass and vulnerable, killer combo 😍
@@tildaowen everyone is so attractive in so many different ways in this show, got me bi panicking and crying all throughout it💀
Yes, the way the show represents gender is amazing!
I never actually noticed that Cait would be the one who falls short when it comes to verbalising her feelings. Or atleast, that Vi is better at putting it into words than Cait. Thanks for pointing it out!
Thank you, yes, I was surprised too when I started to dig, how little she says about herself!
It’s kind of a contrast to the fakery of the upper world. I don’t think Caitlyn isn’t used to someone being so direct when everyone around her is two faced. Ofcourse Vi would be more direct
The fact that Vi could have attacked Cait when she first encountered her in jail (where she crossed the security line at 5:35), but instead chose to focus on the evidence instead, is another reason I believe Caitlyn trusted Vi. She realized that Vi didn't want to harm her and most likely did have knowledge on the case.
Plus I don't think Vi 'flirts' with Jayce. She's more talking down to him instead of playing around with him. She basically says if he's going to actually do something or stand around and look pretty. She's challenging him. Her wink to Jayce after she decked the Shimmer Guard was her signaling that she's "got this." Imo.
I think you're right, that Vi not touching Caitlyn when she could, gives some assurance to Caitlyn that she can release Vi without being in danger. It's not exactly trust ("in what mad world would I trust someone like you"), but it's the first step...
I also agree that Vi is talking down to Jayce, she's using the flirting as a weapon, as a way of getting the upper hand, she does it to both Caitlyn and Jayce. With Caitlyn it later turns into the kind of flirting that means "I like you".
I cannot count how many times men have flirted with me in a patronising way, pushing me around with no intention of getting in my pants...
Playful and slightly patronizing mock flirting with men is also a big lesbian thing TBH. The "pretty boy" comment just read to me as "One person in this room has all the testoserone and sorry Jayce, it isn't you" @@tildaowen
@@wasserhexe I totally see that! That's exactly what Vi's saying, she's being patronising in the truest sense of the word!
can we talk about the geographical positions of vi and cait's childhood homes? the kirraman house is shown to be right up at the top of the incline, near the council building (or whatever that is). the place under the water-tower thing where vi and powder lived with their parents (i assume) seems to be at the very lowest point in the undercity, amongst the very lowest class of people. LOTS of things to think about there
Yes, definitely! Interesting topic. I talked about it a little in my video about Caitlyn's shower scene, as well as my video about setting in Arcane "where is the good life"
Yes, good catch. I was actually surprised to see that Vi was born and lived in the Sump, where the poorest, desperated and forgotten ends up!
@@darthcygnus7692 the place seems to have worsened since she lived there, and maybe the parents moved up in the undercity, fighting alongside Vander? But yes, Vi is from the very bottom and Caitlyn from the very top... There are things to work through with them before they can have a real relationship!
the reason they like eachother is because they both show traits that the other values and respects and you can see in all their interactions the exact moment they learn and understand each of those traits. and yeah, the fact that the animators managed to say so much just by the way they portray looks and glances is nothing less than amazing
Yes, they recognise something in each other past the layers of class and background... It's beautiful ❤️ Also the animation is beautiful and amazing in its ability to show so much emotion and detail!
For how little screen time it took, this romance blew me away. I'm a straight dude and honestly think it's one of the most realistic love-type things I've seen put to screen.
It blew me away too! I may be inclined to like it, since I'm a lesbian, but I think I would adore it as much if I was straight. Despite all the unrealistic weapons, devices, races, animals, etc that fit into a world of fantasy, their love story just seems so true ❤️❤️
Wonderful analysis, again.
I think Caitlyn, for the first time, feels valued for herself and not her family name and wealth. Instead, we see the opposite: Vi hates her, distrusts her, until Caitlyn earns it on her own merits. And in return, Vi shows her the real world. Trenchers that are good, and bad, and topside enforcers and even friends that are dark and vengeful. Finally… it’s all she ever wanted
Thank you! Yes, Vi shows Caitlyn the real world, it's what she's always wanted: someone who takes her for who she is and not what she is, someone who tells her the hard truth, who doesn't butter up her words, someone who is loyal and honest herself.
And sorry for the late reply, I had to dig out your comment by trawling through all the comments...
Because Caitlin is a protector. Vi is the definition of the cute but troubled bad girl, with the heart of gold. Vi brings out all her protective instincts.And thin Caitlin realizes very quickly that Vi is a protector too. Vi is a fiercely loving person and that's very attractive.
I mean Caitlin's whole goal is to bring in Jinx and when she finds out that Jinx is her sister she is pissed, but then she quickly puts it together. Oh ....your little sister is Jinx....that really sucks. And she isn't even angry at Jinx any more and is even wanting to keep it secret to help Vi.
Yes, your definition of Vi fits, and I also define Caitlyn as a form of tall, silent protector, and her love grows out of her empathetic nature that goes hand in hand with her protector gene (which is also part of her job!)
In arcane when Vi says if you want someone to give you something you have to give them what they want ( almost like a trade ) and I think they both took this into consideration at the beginning of the relationship as they both make sacrifices for each other until it’s not necessary wanting something from the other person but general care and understanding
Edit : omg thank you tilda for replying to my comment ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Both giving and receiving is a sign of a good relationship, be it romantic, platonic or business related, and Vi and Caitlyn do it so well 😍
I’m a straight male, but I’m always touched by your videos and how you’re able to explain the power and universality of love
Thank you! That means a lot coming from you, because I believe in the universality of love too 😊 For me it's not a matter of sexuality, but who you love (not what...). It depends on personality. And I think Violyn showcases this beautifully!
@@tildaowen absolutely agree. You explain it so beautifully, leave me aching to experience a love like this in real life. Keep up the good work, sending love from australia!
Yes me too! And thank you, right back at you! 😊
@@tildaowen Do you mean that we're only attracted to individuals and that notions of rigid sexual orientation are false?
@@reviewreviewer1 Umm, no, not at all! I'm saying there are so many ways to perceive gender and sexuality, it's different from one person to the next... People love in different ways. I'm saying that I, myself, always fall in love with a person and then the body afterwards. So far the only people I've been in love with have been women and I seriously doubt that I will fall in love with men in the future... But I can't rule it out! Because I find men attractive just as I do women. So the way Caitlyn falls in love with Vi because of WHO she is and not WHAT she is, really resonated with me ❤️ But in general I think people should love who they want (edit: with some obvious exceptions of course!) and can categorise it as they like... And I like any love story, between any two people, but of course I like it extra when I recognise something of myself in them... 😊
I like to think in the hours between the face touch and the council meeting some significant intimate time happened. Not necessarily sex or even kissing. Just holding each other would probably be even more intimate to Vi, being so touch starved.
Yes, for Vi to sleep in a bed next to someone or hold hands for a long time is a huge thing, much more intimate than prison!
Cait is totally an introvert, though. Introversion and being people-oriented/taking action/speaking when required are not mutually exclusive. She can speak when she needs to, but she gets nervous when she's about to say something very impactful and often thinks before she speaks (as you've noticed). Ultimately, she's a better listener than speaker, a very careful and thorough planner, and someone who takes action herself as opposed to through her family and friends (of which she doesn't have that many). She gets overwhelmed by external stimuli. She's uncomfortable making smalltalk with her colleagues during that shift. She can only open up at all to those that she's already known for a long time. Even her weapon has an introverted personality - a precise, careful, exact shot, from a position somewhere far away, where she's by herself.
Contrast her with Jayce - these two have very similar goals of helping people, but Jayce is an obvious extrovert and it's clear in how their approaches differ.
You might be right, I'm no expert, but I don't see her as completely introvert, because I'm guessing introverts rarely try to go against their boss (even verbally) and then take off alone and break someone out of prison, while saying "in what mad world would I trust someone like you?!" But socially and privately, yes, she's completely awkward and introvert...
@@tildaowen I think an introvert is pretty likely to go behind someone's back to do things - she didn't stand up to Marcus directly. Now, breaking someone out of prison *is* a pretty daring stunt, and I do agree that an introvert would probably do such things very rarely, but just one time is enough to have a story. I guess that's why introverted heroes in fiction often seem less introverted - the story usually is about the part of their life when they are actively doing things.
Good point! After years of doing nothing, she finally strikes out completely on her own...
20:53 omg I stoped to see that frame before but never realize that Cait was trying to shield Vi! ah... my heart is warm now.
Awesome analysis thank you
Thank you so much! 😊
If only she can do that in game..
😭🤣
Wow, another 30 minutes spent in the best way possible!! 😭 Really, thank you for these musings, Tilda. It’s like IV fluids.
Anyway, I never realized that Cait’s love language really is physical touch. It’s so obvious now that you said it. Especially in the “breakup” scene, as she extends her hand to touch Vi and she just refuses, that is so heartbreaking.
I think I’ll watch it again tomorrow anyway, so I’ll comment some more 😆
Thank you, I'm glad I'm living up to expectations 😊 And yes, I crave Violyn content, it's like a drug, so have to start cooking it up myself, lol!
@@tildaowen You're doing an awesome job! Do you have plans for more videos, or maybe are you going to focus on other characters? If so, then I'll always hope you'll return to these two thirsty, lovely ladies.
Were you maybe thinking about doing a "theory video" of what might we see in season 2, or is that not your style?
@@MaiTai2308 I don't think I'll be doing a theory video, but there's a few ideas on the table. But it will probably be a while before I make a new one, am very busy at work these days!
@@tildaowen That is perfectly fine, take your time. We'll all be right here, happy about your new video whenever you have time to create it!
Your videos give me a greater appreciation for Caitlyn. I never really pointed down why I was not as passionate about her than I am about Jinx or Vi, but now I understand that it is mostly because she is very guarded and does not open up, even to herself, about her feelings et vulnerability.
It makes me sad for her that her mother's grief and eventually her desire for revenge might be the triggering events that will lead her to become more vulnerable (beside her relationship with Vi).
Can't wait to see her evolution in S2!
Thanks, yes, Caitlyn apparently has some issues she needs to work on, and it'll be extremely interesting to see how she and her relationship to Vi develops!
I'd imagine that a big reason that Caitlyn is surprised by Vi's "You're Hot, Cupcake." line is that she's used to people telling her that... as a way to butter her up so that she's amenable to getting closer to her Mothers power (a power that is likely going to come to her when she comes of age). So when someone who is "appropriate" approaches her, she's expecting the "You're really beautiful." or other such compliment. She knows it's true, but she also knows that people say that because they want to be manipulative. When Vi does it, it strikes her differently because Vi isn't using it to butter her up to get to her Mothers power, but to get CAITLYN to do something. Vi has no idea who Caitlyn is, really - she's an Enforcer, and that's all Vi see's in her. It's still being manipulative, but for once it's manipulative for what CAITLYN herself can do. Not Kinnerman - Cailtyn. And it throws her off because Caitlyn, in that moment, legitimately has no idea what SHE has to offer in that situation. Her body is off-limits, her Kinnerman name is useless (if not outright dangerous) so... what does Caitlyn have to offer?
As for her Sexuality, I'm not sure Sexuality really fits with her. Not as WE understand and express it. Caitlyn is Nobility, and to Nobility, the Family is All Important. Which generally means "Heterosexual" as Heterosexual is how you continue the Family, but even then, I don't think that truly applies - you don't HAVE to be Heterosexual to continue the family, but you do have to have Male+Female. And cheating is a very dangerous thing, even for the Males, as cheating brings danger to the Family. (Heterosexual cheating may create unwanted children as rivals to "legitimate" children, homosexual cheating loses that aspect but keeps the avenues of social weakness that can damage the family, etc. This is a big reason why I think her body is "off limits" in the Brothel Scene - the risk is simply too great, and no likely reward makes that risk worthwhile) So I would imagine that she has rarely given her own sexuality much of a thought. She might have wondered why she feel's more physically attracted to women than to the appropriate men who have approached her (or her family), but ultimately at this point I think she's still a child, so to speak - a rebellious child, rebelling against her Family, but ultimately still ruled by what that Family means. Caitlyn still expects that there will be a new painting in the Kinnerman residence in 20 years, with her, her husband and her own daughter, and the Husband part isn't particularly important to her. It's going to happen, and she's fighting against it in her own mind. But she still lives at home, still runs back to Mommy and Daddy for help when she needs it, still views things in terms of "My mother wanted this... so I DON'T.". Not yet truly seeing herself as an individual outside of her Family, the way Children view themselves.
I would imagine that in Season 2, we're going to see Caitlyn give this much more thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Caitlyn discovers in addition to (and unconnected to) being a Lesbian, that she cannot continue to be part of the Piltover Nobility, that she has no intention of continuing the Family, and that she breaks with her Nobility almost entirely so she can be with Vi without having to worry about the duties of Nobility and Family... with the possibility of Vi pushing her BACK in that direction because Vi is very, VERY family focused, and with her own family being irreparably broken, not wanting to have Caitlyn go through that as well. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that her father may be Gay, to our understanding of Sexuality, but he married Caitlyn's mother due to the machinations of Nobility and subsumed his own physical desires into serving the Family. And has been faithful to her for their entire marriage, as a way to give Caitlyn inspiration into going her own way - she loves her father, but doesn't want to live the same life he lived. (I'm not PREDICTING that, mind you. Only that it's something I would consider exploring in this setting.)
Oh, and yes, there will be a kiss. I believe they planned for a kiss in a Season 2 anyway, but the degree of backlash that they might get if they dragged this on for two seasons might be enough to actually damage the show. If anything, I'd imagine they are rejigging things on the show so that the kiss comes sooner than they had planned. (Possibly in Episode 1 - maybe Vi, understanding that Caitlyn is a physical person, tries to comfort her with a kiss, and it doesn't quite work out the way she hopes. Like Vi is too sexual with the kiss for the situation, but Caitlyn understands Vi is not trying to seduce her so while it's off putting, she doesn't resist.)
Thank you for your long comment. Some interesting points you make, though I'm not sure I follow the points you make entirely, but that's just me, I guess.
One thing though about what you say about Caitlyn and the way her family works: "Caitlyn is Nobility, and to Nobility, the Family is All Important. Which generally means "Heterosexual" as Heterosexual is how you continue the Family, but even then, I don't think that truly applies - you don't HAVE to be Heterosexual to continue the family, but you do have to have Male+Female. And cheating is a very dangerous thing, even for the Males, as cheating brings danger to the Family. (Heterosexual cheating may create unwanted children as rivals to "legitimate" children, homosexual cheating loses that aspect but keeps the avenues of social weakness that can damage the family, etc. This is a big reason why I think her body is "off limits" in the Brothel Scene - the risk is simply too great, and no likely reward makes that risk worthwhile)"
I'm not sure the society you describe is quite like the one in Piltover. It seems more like ancient Greece where the idea of family (oikos) governs everything, the men not only inherit their titles and fortune from their fathers, but also their reputation and honour. The entitlement was passed on through ownership of land primarily, and power was based on the size of the land. No women, foreigners or people without land could rule.
But in Piltover both women and foreigners (such as Mel) can rule. They didn't inherit their seat on the council, but earned it (or bought it?) like Jayce. Because in Piltover wealth and power seems to come from trade and enterprise as well as political manipulation. So having legitimate children and carrying on the family name is not the be all and end all of the ruling families. Because members come and go on the council, the seats aren't saved for specific houses (like in Game of Thrones). And this is precisely why Caitlyn has been allowed to not participate in council business. She is not the "heir apparent". Cassandra wants her to be, mind you, but she doesn't have to be if she doesn't want to. She doesn't have to cut ties with her family to be something else professionally. Therefore she is also not required to deliver an heir herself and thus she is free to choose whomever she'd like to be with. In principle, at least, I'm sure her mother heartily disapproves of Vi! But not because she is a woman, but because she is from the undercity and because she is poor...
What ? You completely read the whole thing wrong lol ! We aren't in game of thrones, this is Arcane and in their world there is no labels, no stigmate about your gender or your sexual orientation ! So Caitlyn have ZERO obligation when it comes to continue her "lineage" or not and even if the Kiramman are a matriarchy, Caitlyn has ZERO obligation to follow her mother's steps and to be part of the counsil ! Also Caitlyn perfectly knows what she wants and knows her sexuality well, the writers (especially Amanda Overton) made it clear at several times + she also said Caitlyn frequently invited women in her bedroom by sneaking them behind the house. You just completely read it wrong. And to finish it's also made clear that Caitlyn is the more "experienced" one of the two, not Vi.
@@sabri3917 I completely agree with you about Arcane society and Caitlyn's lack of obligation in delivering heirs. I think That Other Guy got it wrong.
But Amanda Overton did not state clearly that Caitlyn is gay (she said Vi is), nor did she say that Caitlyn snuck women through her window. Overton has made some very ambiguous tweets that have been interpreted in multiple ways, but she has not confirmed anything. Watch my Caitlyn videos and @Jubi Made This made some great breakdowns of Overton's tweets in the comments.
A writer confirmed that in runttera ( the world that arcane take place in ) homophobia and sexesm dosent exist and it's pretty much your economic States or whether you have magic or not that might be a problem
@@miss.mirana4061 Yes, that fits with what we see in Arcane 😊
Welcome back, first of all! About the stray thing, I realized all characters are actually misfits. Jinx is a misfit for her recklessness and dangerous ways, Vi is a misfit in the undercity with her good heart, Vander is a misfit in the underground with his calm, collected and peotevtive atttitude instead of proactive, Silco is a misfit with his big ideals, Sevika is a misfit for her loyalty, Caitlyn is a misfit for not being an arrogant upsider, for being humble and sincere in a society that is basically game of thrones and power play and deceits everywhere. Mel is a misfit with her intelligence and wit among the stupid councilors who can't solve a child's puzzle, Viktor is a misfit for his experiments and not being understood by his peers, Jayce is a misfit for wanting immediate action and change in a council that can't decide anything before it's too late, Ekko is a misfit by being the only character who is not living in the past or haunted by the past, Singed is a misfit among the professors due to his experiments going beyond natural limit and Heimer is a misfit among mortals as an immortal and he does not understand them and their motives.
So about the stray thing, I think it may mean both that Cait used to bring animals and people in need, but Jayce may even be one of the strays as well. When Jayce's experiment explodes, Cait's mother does not let her talk to him anymore saying he's dangerous, and does not let him inside the house like kicking out an animal, so probably Cait was the one who convinced her parents to help Jayce in the academy. Maybe she even found him and his mother after they have been teleported, we don't know. But it definitelt happened one way or another, maybe she even brought a girl in.
Also, Vi and Cait definitely find what they lack in each other. At first it's more superficial in helping, Cait being the voice of Vi and undercity in the council, Vi showing Cait the real world and treating her like a real person of worth and of her own and not just the daughter of some royal. Further than that, Vi definitely gives Cait a purpose and Cait definitely reminds Vi of Jinx and simply having someone beside her who she can be vulnerable around and also be loved, to the point of needing to make a choice between Cait and Jinx at the dinner table. But most importantly as you said, they offer each other equal grounds, much like the bed scene. They both realize the other world is not so bad and has good in it, much like them. Cait elevates Vi above the stinkiness and cruelty of the underground, and Vi brings Cait down from the image she had of being the arrogant cop who would kill on a whim and the royal girl image at the beginning, to a middle ground where they meet face to face, no more up and down, Cait as the humble and caring royal, Vi as the good hearted and just criminal.
This might get a lil murky in s2 tho, in the new making of Arcane videos, I saw a brief moment of Cait's dad sitting with a cup alone in the couch with flowers in front of him and Cait kind of consoling him and a funeral picture in their computers, so Jinx def killed Cassandra and they know she is Vi's sister...
Great vid btw!
Thank you! Excellent comments! I like your view of misfits, I mean the idea of fitting in is basically trying to be like everyone else and nobody is that, everyone is different... But even more so in Arcane, and you pointed out nicely how each of the principal characters have traits that make them out of the ordinary 👍
As for Caitlyn bringing girls in through the window (I'm aware of some shippers' view of Caitlyn as a player), sure, but as a project not a date... She seems way too inexperienced to me... But we'll see next season, we may get a flashback that proves me wrong! 😊
@@tildaowen oh for sure! Bringing in girls not necessarily means as a date, but maybe just as prefarence or focus while trying to help. Much like some people seeing and wanting to help poor kids or stray animals while not being so caring about adult homeless people in real life. Maybe she still helped such people, especially girls in need who need her help, which is why Cassandra was not so surprised about it. But she also acknowledged her daughter's feelings for Vi right away during the council meeting where she kind of says "go after her" with her eyes and implies that she appeoves it. But we wouldn't know any of that now for sure, anyway.
You're right, interpretations are guess work, but I try to base it on what I see. The problem is that the show isn't over yet, so many things can change yet! Such as if Caitlyn has any experience in the love department before Vi...
I think Cassandra knows her daughter well, and doesn't seem surprised by company brought in through the window, but like I explained in my council scene analysis, I don't think Cassandra's nod is about getting Vi, but about appreciating Caitlyn's work as an enforcer...
great view! But as for Vi being reminded of Jinx by Caitlyn I wouldn't be so sure about that. I'd rather think she is reminded of her mother's care. Her mother had blue hair as well and you can see that especially in ep6 when she wakes up from her fever dream seeing her mother's image clearing upt to be actually Caitlyn calling out to her. While Powder/Jinx desperately needs(!) her attention and care, Vi feels definetly cared for(!) by Caitlyn and that she can rely on her - and because it is not one sided it feels equal - a very new experience to Vi. The only time a person cared for her was when their parents were alive or by Vander(but here we already see Vi doing her own decisions (ep2) not depending too much on Vander). With Powder/Jinx it is the opposite - Vi is always the caretaker and doesn't get a breather at all (like a real parent)- it is more a parent-child relationship than a sister relationship imo. It might go into a sister relationship by the next season hopefully. Jinx said it herself : "this is the new us" - however the new relationship develops, I believe in saying this, she finally graduated from the parent-child relationship.
@@redroseibarahime8755 yes that's def the point of the parallels both similarities and striking differences at the same time. Cait is the calm and collected, ordered intellectual while Jinx is the chaotic, erratic, scattered intellectual (kinda a mad scientist); or both using guns but cait is sharpshooter "a great shot" and jinx "misses all the time" as she says. Vi choosing cait in dinner scene is about no longer being the caretaker because cait is the helper/caretaker and, as you say of course, she also resembles her mother (god damn you freud) both in the role she takes and in looks, so vi can be vulnerable around her, while with jinx it's the opposite. As it's said, nothing stays the same and it's all about change in the show. Even though vi is still with a blue haired gunner, everything beyond that is inverted. Down is up, bond is through attraction not blood, protecting is replaced by letting be protected etc and vi walks away from both of them at some point because "pushing away" is her style while facing stressful emotional triggers. Both are parallels in the ways they are similar and directly contradicting. Much like sevika being the anti-vi, she has parallels with vi that are similar and also opposite. Jinx and cait have the same parallels.
When they say goodbye on the bridge, Vi gives out genuine thanks to her and Cait pushes stronger into the hug. This little move always gets to me, maybe I just need a strong hug by someone I have an emotional connection with.
Hugs are amazing, pressing your whole body against someone ❤️ And they certainly lean into it! 😍
My heart… another fantastic analysis. I do adore Caitlyn’s empathy and love language through touch.
Thank you, yes, so many interesting facets about her!
one of the best televised love stories i’ve ever seen, whilst being a subtextual (sorta, for now) plot. beautiful, tender whilst being incredibly powerful. a girl can only wish
Yeah, I agree completely! I fully expect the whole nine yards for these two next season, not just subtext! 😍
Caitlyn definitely earned my respect for not being a stereotypical spoiled rich girl who’s completely annoying or have mommy or daddy issues who don’t give them attention being her sole main issue. Like so many other rich characters. Caitlyn knows how to fight for herself and in a way she’s kinda like Vi in the sense where they’re both rebellious. Vi rebel against those who abuse their power. While Caitlyn rebelled against those who try to restricted her freedom or have closed minded views.
Exactly! On many levels they are very alike and are each other's equals. Caitlyn may not be as tragic as Vi and she has lived a sheltered life, but she really gained my respect by not only fighting the injustice of entitlement but also to better herself, learn a skill that can help people, she becomes excellent at something. There's nothing half-arsed about her! 🤘😍
Me to myself: How many times have you rewatched this video?
Also me: *I never even thought to count*
I'm glad you and yourself like it! 😊
Ahhhh im not done yet but im so happy you keep mentioning caitlyn's somewhat inability to talk about herself and her feelings!! Its so often overlooked by people, especially in fics- even the good ones have caitlyn as the more emotionally open person, and while she is a very expressive and touchy girl, she never talks about any of that. Shes the type of selfless character that doesnt really think about herself at all outside the context of her job and her social responsibility. Its why i like her so much as well.
Like, especially compared to Vi. Vi has shared so much with Caitlyn, even before the scene on the bed. The only bit of information Caitlyn has shared with Vi (and Ekko) is that she has a friend on the council. Most of the things Vi learned about Caitlyn are through her actions: she's an excellent shot (after she saves Vi from Sevika). Shes into women (Caitlyn never explicitly answered this- Vi saw her with a woman). She comes from a rich family (Caitlyn never said anything about that either, Vi only learned this when they got to Caitlyn's house). There could be more examples, but im pretty sure the most we saw of Caitlyn talking about herself and her inner world... was when she said "I'm a misfit too". And THAT'S the character people think is gonna lead the emotional discussions in this relationship?!😂
Seriously though, i hope they'll address this in season 2. Cause with Vi's tendency to run away from conflict, and Caitlyn's absolute cluelessness as to how to communicate her own emotions, its gonna be a shitshow. And im here for it.
EDIT: K i finished. You basically said the same thing! Im over the moon haha
Thanks a lot, and yes, great minds think alike 😂
I think Caitlin is quite about herself because few have actually cared about her aspirations or she was mocked for being naive and idealistic.
Caitlin has always had her life mapped out for her and she has always been looking for a purpose. To mention she was unhappy about something would have everyone saying poor little rich girl.
Then there would be people trying to get close to her for her money and position and that makes her guarded.
@@kellharris2491 Absolutely, she's very guarded for the reasons you say. She grew up in a house where feelings were frowned upon by the mother. Also, it fits with her unselfish outlook, she doesn't spend much time thinking of herself, so naturally she doesn't talk about herself either...
OH MY WAAAAAAAEBEHIDJP
THE VERY DESCRIPTION OF CAITLYN IM THIS COMMENT IS AMAZINGGGGG AND SUPER ACCURATE LIKE WOAH.
You hit the nail very precisely there pal. Power to you.
This really does a lot to explain why I relate to Cait so much too. I was raised to hide my emotions, and in a subculture that has very particular ideas of what life will look like for people, so my life was more or less going to go in one pattern with little input from me. I wasn't really given much of a chance to explore what I actually wanted before mental health caused me to dissociate to a point of being basically unable to feel what I wanted, so I just followed the plan until it didn't make sense anymore. Now, that's been solved, but I still struggle massively to talk about my own feelings or vulnerabilities in any way without prompting, or sometimes even if directly asked.
Came back to rewatch your excellent video. “I’m an excellent shot.” “I don’t need charity, Councillor. Yours or my parents.” Maybe, “In what mad world would I trust someone like you?” “This city needs healing, more than I ever realized.”
Oh, yes, the three first you mention are definitely statements about herself that I overlooked, thanks for pointing it out! Well, the first one, I actually don't think I overlooked, really, because I spent so much time on it in other discussions/analyses... But "in what mad world..." says sth about where she comes from (be it Topside or police) and how she looks at people like Vi (be it zaunites or prisoners). And "I don't need charity..." shows how hurt she is by Jayce and her parents' meddling. She uses the word councilor as an insult, distancing herself from Jayce...
The last one is a little more iffy, but yes, she says indirectly that she has been isolated/insulated from the reality of the situation...
@@tildaowen What I like about the third is that it moves Vi so much (as you've discussed so well). It does seem revealing about Caitlyn, at least to Vi, and she finds it significant . I also like her earlier "I couldn't blame you." when Ekko wants to use the gem to "beat Silco." I don't think Caitlyn would ever make that choice but maybe she's thinking about how much she's learned recently and perhaps thinks she might consider it? Regardless, her great empathy for Ekko wanting that option is on display. I think that reveal moves Vi as well.
@@jasonmkc7797 I agree, "this city needs healing..." is really significant because it has such an impact on Vi. Precisely because it reveals what type of person Caitlyn is. But the key word being "reveals", because I don't think Caitlyn is consciously talking of herself here. The statement isn't about herself from her perspective, instead she is talking about the needs of the city. So in that sense it doesn't fit into the category of "speaking of herself"... But that doesn't make the statement less important! And I also agree that her great empathy throughout this scene (which I also love!) really impresses Vi. But I'm not sure she would consider an aggressive option like Ekko is suggesting, I think she says "I couldn't blame you", because she understands his situation (the empathy again).
@@tildaowen Yes, the conscious element is likely lacking. I probably agree she would not consider a violent option for long or overly serious -- especially in series 1 in the that moment. But I wonder if, as her naivete lessens, if non-lethal aggressive techniques might seem plausible. She does, after all, use her rifle to great non-lethal effect (as you point out). She is not opposed to force when it is precise and "deserved." I fear her less aggressive nature may be changed in Series 2. I think you've hypothesized about a darker evolution for her following the last scene. The tragedy of innocence lost is a theme. I am loathe to see her optimism lessen (or leave altogether). How long might she hold her trigger finger next time if confronted with Jinx at gun point again? The head says, not long since Jinx is supernaturally fast and the heart may seek justice or vengeance (those meanings sometimes blur).
@@jasonmkc7797 I am also loath to see Caitlyn darken and be more prone to using violence or even kill, but I foresee it happening, just not sure how much. Because yes, loss of innocence is definitely a theme! I hope Vi will continue in her trajectory towards a more soft side and stay Caitlyn's hand (or rifle) of vengeance (also because Jinx is her sister)
Something I hadn't noticed after watching the 'pinned to the wall' scene MANY times, is that Vi never touches her. To me that indicates that Vi would have only pushed so far, y'know? And I agree that Caitlyn could have escaped with a shove very easily had she wanted to.
Nice observation, you're right, Vi doesn't touch her. That fits with the fact that she wants to surprise and intimidate Caitlyn, not threaten or scare her :-)
@@tildaowen Ad succeeded in one of the gayest, "oh... OH." moments! 🤣🥰
@@Shatterpath yes, classic double take from the viewer! 😂
Cait falls for Vi's honesty imo
Oh, yes, I agree with you, that's a big part of it! They are both very honest and recognise that in each other. That's also partly what I meant with saying that Vi doesn't pander to Caitlyn, she doesn't sugarcoat her words or speak ambiguously like they do topside...
Wow Tilda, thank you very much for the good watch.
I think Caitlyn catches 'feels' for Vi waaay before they are reciprocated. Vi in the brothel is just getting under Cait's skin, not even genuine flirting. Its the rescue from Sevika where Vi begins seeing the police girl in a new light.
Thank you, I totally agree!
i really really luv how cait's not talking abt herself reveals so much abt herself, the smartest and best writing ....
Yes, such great writing! We can find out so much from so little screen time, it's amazing ❤️
Yet another great analysis... you gotta love the old school...lol . i just have to say that the non verbal story telling and attention to detail in Arcane is insane, for a lack of a better word. Every time i think I've seen it all, a new thing appears(the thumb thing Caitlyn does) The fact that this is Animation not live action and still allows you to do such in-depth analysis on their feelings, reaction. body language and other subtle micro gestures as if they were actual people acting them out not animated ones is mind blowing to say the least. That fact makes me appreciate it even more... I mean come on, that look Vi gives Caitlyn, the "Electricity" that's art folks lol... that being said, that "dressed by Jinx" bit had me 🤣
Thank you, yes, Arcane is mind blowingly good, and I actually think it's BECAUSE it's animation. Every little gesture, such as Caitlyn's restless and impatient thumb, is something the animators have spent a day or so on... So nothing is coincidental, every look, gesture, expression conveys meaning where most live actors can't get that much info into every little move they make... So every time you scratch the surface and start digging, you can be sure it's significant in some way... Wonderful 😍
I think that detailed animation also adds another fascinating layer to analysis because it's all intentional. Nothing is an actor messing up or doing something unintentionally--*everything* has meaning that the animators are intentionally trying to convey.
@@jubimadethis5167 So true...
@@tildaowen absolutely...like that" Micro second" on the bridge which shows both their methods of "protecting"... it's a blink and miss moment and most people, myself included missed it the first time. The animators on the other as you've stated, intentional spent a day or so putting that together... Its kind of makes it feel like an injustice to watch it once because there so much more lol.
Exactly, Jubi! I love that about the show ❤️
She also says "she did everything to show me what life is really like down there" which could be more about Vi, but she still speaks about herself.
Hmm, maybe, indirectly saying she knew little? But then again, she says it primarily to introduce Vi, give her credibility and make the councillors sympathise... It's not about herself, her opinions or her background.
Those I forgot/missed are: "In what mad world would I trust someone like you" (showing either her enforcer view of convicts or Piltovian view of Zaunites) and "I'm an excellent shot" (definitely! But I talked so much about this elsewhere that I just didn't add it to the list...)
Thanks again. Love the video. There's never enough Caitlyn content and I very much appreciate yours. Your point about touch vs. verbalization is spot on, and one I didn't put together because of how verbal Caitlyn is. I find it especially interesting because she is much more open, honest and expressive than Vi regarding their attraction and Cait's hopes for their relationship.
Thank you! Yes, Vi and Caitlyn complement each other nicely, Vi is abrasive and protective of herself and those she cares about, but she can talk about herself and opens up to Caitlyn, while Caitlyn on the other hand is very compassionate and physical in her interactions, but finds it very hard to open up about herself
Wow! You pointed out so perfectly that Cait shows her feelings by touching, such an interesting video.
Thanks a lot! It's such an interesting aspect of her character :-)
I could listening to you about Arcane for hours! You have such a nice script and a very endearing voice ^^
Love your videos and dedication to Violyn. They are amazing.
BTW I fully agree on Caitlyn being a workaholic and being more intuitive than experienced ;) And I also think that she didn't even think about a gender regarding her SO.
For me her whole presentation in S1 points that out. But you bet I risked that theory months ago in the comments of some other video and got bashed XD for it. People got the idea from the "magnificient flirt she pulled off" in the brothel(thank you for unrevaling the real happenings it in this video) and were later further missled by Amanda's confusing tweet about having girls to her room in the past (which is definetly not what she said but people stubbornly interpretated it that way). So I am very happy to have another person seeing it that way ^^.
I really hope we get a release date with the last part of Bridging the Rift. That would be wonderful. I assume, they release it in fall 2023 though. I really hope so (that would fall into place with the world championships)- I need the next dose of Caitlyn and Vi! Especially since the creators said in an interview that both will be at the center(!) of next season which is quite logical. After Jinx being the prime plot in S1, Vi finally gets her big development arc in S2 (also Victor ^^).
Thank you! Yes, I'm aware of the tweet and the interpretations of it, which is also why I did the disclaimer in the beginning... I mean, all my theories can be disproved by one short flashback in season 2, but this is how I see it based on just season 1. I'm glad I could be the support you needed 😊
I also think it will be fall 2023 before season 2 comes, it'll be worth the wait and I'm glad they are taking their time!
@@tildaowen I've been enjoying your breakdown & analysis videos of Vi & Caitlyn. On a side note... you wouldn't happen to know if the Caitlyn Kiramman Fan Club are accepting membership applications? (I'm asking for a friend)
@@cluster_f1575 umm, I'm sure there's unlimited access for true Caitlyn simps 😉
honestly, this video has given me a deeper appreciation and understanding for her character. additionally, it's helped me notice little details i wasn't aware of to begin with, such as her tapping her fingers or feet when she's facing a problem.
truly, this is a fascinating listen! thank you!
Thank you so much, you're welcome! I really liked digging into her character precisely because there's so much there, but also because we see who she is mostly through her actions, expressions and body language 😍
@@tildaowen a lot of her personality quirks are hidden under the hood, but you did so well picking apart body language and expressions.
again, excellent work! ☺️
@@tobers_is_lost Yes, she has her quirks! And thanks again 😊
The amount of work that went into this masterpiece is better than any form of animation on the planet. (IMO) To the point that you can read slight emotions and damn near read lips. (I'm not a lip reader) So amazing. To the extent that I actually believe the animators of this show deserve actual acting awards! They animated the eye twitches we do when we are looking at something. That little thing is beyond anything I have seen in any animation.
I totally agree! The animation is off the charts, so much is revealed by facial expressions, body language and hidden clues... And since it's animated, it's all on purpose and we can read into it 🤘😍
This was just done SO well. You felt the sparks between them.
Thanks, absolutely, I felt the sparks from the start ❤️
Thank you, your ability to connect and deconstruct scenes is exceptional, it’s been a pleasure
Thank you very much! I'm glad you like them 😊
Finally! Someone picking up on the subtle, split-second moment of Vi and Caitlyn characterization on the bridge when Jinx opens fire~
Thank you! I can't take credit for spotting the moment, but I really love how the writers think characterisation into every single move they make, how they act totally fits with who they are!
@@tildaowen Legit. The subtle animations they put into everything. The expressions are so telling, but each and every single shift of an eyebrow takes time, purpose, money and effort to animate. Just those things alone make Arcane one of the greatest animated shows ever, imo. To be studied in universities.
@@fnglert yes, absolutely! I just hope they make the show available on dvd, because I'm not allowed to show Netflix to my students 😮💨
Can’t wait to check this out tonight! So glad your passion in Arcane inspired you to make these videos! Well done!! :)
AHHHH this video only made me even more giddy about their relationship
Yup, making it did the same to me! Am glad you liked it 😊
Omg I love them so much. I wanna say THANK you for your videos, they help me to wait season 2 more patiently because I really NEED to see them every day😩 so these videos help me with it😭
Thank you so much! I make these videos to be near them, lol! I love them and their story so much! 😍
I couldn't watch it in full because of some triggering stuff and instead chose just to watch Cait/Vi content on youtube. And I deeply appreciate all the video essays about this show people make because it is an incredible work of art.
Anyway when you pointed out 20:50 and I got all: 😭 "Because Cait uses a sniper rifle and Vi uses her fists!" like it ties into there weapons, vi pushes you out of punching distance and Cait pulls you close, covers you from view.
I saw another comment indicated you might not have played the game, while in real life a snipe might go through a body, but in the game a teammate standing between you and Caits Ult (sniper shot) is one of the only things that can save you from it.
Thanks for watching! So you play the game, but you haven't seen the whole show? That's a shame, but I can understand the triggering part, it is a tough, heart-wrenching show!
I never played the game and don't intend to, I'm more into Tomb Raider, those types of games. So I only interpret based on what I see in the show. But I like it when people share some game lore, so thanks!
I could listen to you talk about these two forever, even though I know there's only so much that can be said (at least until season 2!) without falling into repetition. Fantastic content, as always.
Thank you so much!
And yes, I'm fast running out of content, I'm afraid... 😭 Can't wait for that season 2!
Lovely as always Tila. I enjoy how your analysis is based entirely on how the characters are presented in the show. It really gives credit to the exceptional writing and animation that provides such rich details in the limited screen time that they shared.
Thank you, yes, the writing in the show is amazing, I hope this aspect continues in season 2!
Your way of approaching ideas and explaining them, as well as your story telling are just... really... really nice and not something you often see. I love how eloquently you present and how you give it the time it deserves. I subscribe for more.
Thank you! I like how you politely complement my long-windedness 😂 Honestly, I'm glad you like them, I put a lot of effort into them 😊
i hope they both will have a wonderful story on next season
Me too! Fingers crossed!
This was a wonderfully put together video. The soft explanations, the very thought through points, everything was amazing! You made me realise things about my favorite character that I never saw before, and just made it click even more as to why she is my favorite character! You just gained a new subscriber 💜
Thanks a lot, I'm glad I could add to your experience of Caitlyn, she is so interesting!
Big thanks for this amazing video! As I have fallen deeply into the fanfiction-rabbithole about these two I find it quite interesting that most people regard Vi as the one that has a hard time expressing her feelings and Caitlyn is the more proactive part. But now I think your analysis is way more fitting.
I really love your content and voice and manner of speaking, please keep doing videos! (Unless you don't have the time or joy. In this case I would be just heartbreakingly sad)
Thank you so much! Yes, I don't see Caitlyn as particularly forward or experienced, she's intuitive and compassionate, but also obsessed with her job! No time for fooling around, "serves you right" she says to the playful Jayce... She could do with someone else taking the lead. And yet, I still think, Caitlyn will be the one to make the first move, because she's so sure of her attachment and she is not afraid of losing Vi. And Vi is afraid of that, and completely guilt ridden and feels unworthy of love, so Caitlyn will have to prove her wrong... But there's a far cry from that to being a player!
Btw here's something to think about....
IF the apartment that Vi, Mylo, Claggor & Powder hadn't of blown up and if Vi had of been caught by Jayce she would have met Caitlyn when they were a good deal younger. Because if you recall Caitlyn was with Jayce on that day when Jayce returned to the apartment... its kind of like these 2 were fated to meet.
Yup, I agree, it does seem like fate! 😊 I don't think I say this outright in my characterisation of Caitlyn, but I comment on the moment with only a door separating them. This auspicious moment sets everything in motion! For good and bad!
Fantastic analysis! I've watched it twice through and found myself agreeing with so many points you make. I could listen to your analysis all day. Sooo good. The video looks great too! Caitlyn is also my fav. A character of so many levels - couldn't agree more. Thanks for posting.
Thank you so much! Caitlyn is my favourite too ❤️😍
OMG!! I watched the behind the scenes videos and I totally overlooked that scene, you did a great job with this analysis thanks for the video
Thanks a lot! And I had help with that scene from Selva Rajagop and Jubi Made This! 👍
Good to see you back, thank for making these videos. I enjoyed archane as well and was really impressed with the animation.
Thanks, yes, the animation, the writing, the music, the character arcs all fantastic!
What a treat! Thank you for making this!
Thank you, you're welcome 😊
I'm only 5 minutes in but this is so interesting. I was always so focused on the other characters but I'm really enjoying and understanding Caitlyn's personality now too! Looking forward to the rest of this video
Just finished the video! I really enjoyed your analysis, every point you made totally made sense and I never noticed any of it!
Thanks a lot! I'm glad I could add to your Arcane experience, that show is amazing!
Thank you for another wonderful and entertaining video analysis! I always love seeing an upload from you in my subscription feed :)
Thank you so much! I'm glad to live up to expectations 😊
What a good analysis ! I totally agree with you. I love their relationship and the way it was built. Can’t wait for season 2 !!
Thank you, me neither! 😊
I love this series of videos. Thank you for making them.
Thank you very much, I love making them! 😊
I’m so glad I found you! I don’t play LOL so whenever I see videos like this pop up and they bring in the game lore, I get lost..but I really liked how you based it off just from what you saw and see in the show! I really liked that! This was an amazing 30 mins!
Thank you so much! I don't play the game either, so the main reason is because I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to navigate in the lore (nor the time basically...), so I stuck to what I know: Analysis and the show, 😊
This is a great analysis, thank you for sharing it!
I stumbled on your “Why does Vi fall for Caitlyn?” video and am now watching all your Arcane content and each video brings up intriguing food for thoughts.
Your insights on Caitlyn (my favourite character) were especially interesting. I had picked up on the fact that she’s very tactile but hadn’t noticed how she’s the one struggling to voice her feelings whereas Vi is actually rather open about hers and her past considering their circumstances.
Thanks a lot, I'm glad you like it :-) Yes, the Arcane writers are very good at making their characters so well rounded and making them complement each other so nicely. I love digging into it!
Dang, the subtleties!! An insanely detailed show. Great job finding the little things :)
Thank you, yes, so many details, I love finding them! 😁
Thank you for this beautiful heartfelt analysis. I love it.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! 😊
Great video..after watching bridging the rift I was blown away with the effort put in by them and it's only right to be more exited for season 2
Thank you, yes, it is very interesting to see the documentary! And it definitely gives me high hopes for season 2! 🙏😍
omg the analysis of the only four times she talks about herself is SO IMPORTANT. awesome work 💕💕
Thank you so much! Caitlyn is so interesting, more tactile than verbal, I like that about her character!
in 20:35 you can even see tears in caitlyn's eyes....... simply: wow
I never noticed that, nice catch! Amazing animation! 🤩
Lyrics in Vi theme called "here comes Vi" : "she's Such a mysfit"
Caitlyn in second episode of arcane : "I'm a mysfit too I suppose"
I assume that you're referencing something from the game? And yes, they're both misfits. E.g. in my video about why Vi falls for Caitlyn, I mention that she is situated in the middle of the conflict between Piltover and Zaun, she may come from the undercity, but she no longer belongs there, since it belongs to Silco...
@@tildaowen I guess you could say it's from the game, basically every new character that gets added to the game also gets its own music theme that you can find on CZcams, and Vi also has his own theme, most of these themes only have a młody with no lyrics but there are sometimes themes that have real lyrics like Vi's theme for example, you should listen to this, it's a really good song
@@toamszkozak8822 thanks for the tip
Love how you pronounce 'excellent shot' the same way Caitlyn does 😆
He he, thanks, it comes with the territory!
This is the most beautiful video ever! Amazing analysis!! Subscribed
Thank you so much! ❤️
You make great points about Caitlyn's need to help people and also take a second look at the way she uses touch. As always, well-thought out.
Thanks a lot, she really is an interesting character!
Thank you so much for your stupendous analysis!
Thank you, my pleasure :-)
Tilda, I am honestly and truly baffled by how little views your videos have. I think they are brilliant, and I love your analyses. So insightful and evocative! 🤩😍
Please, would you do a video about Viktor? He is my favourite character from Arcane, and so far, no video analysis(not even the one Schnee did!) has really...hit that spot for me.
I found his sprint scene to be as emotionally culminative as Caitlyn's shower scene and his unintended tragedy with Skye twists my heart ❤️🩹
Thank you so much! ❤️ Any idea how I could make them reach a wider audience? I'm an old fart and not so savvy into YT... 😂
The only things I can't really change are the speed in which I make the videos (am a single mother with a full time job) and the content matter. Partially anyway... I have to really be into the content in order for me to spend my precious spare time making them. So I doubt I'll make one about Viktor. I like him, but he doesn't float my boat quite like Vi and Caitlyn do... I might make a video about the title of the show and one about the firelights... I'm not really sure 🤷🏼♀️ I have to get a good idea/angle/question to investigate...
But keep giving me ideas, you may spark my interest! 😊
Thank you so much for this video Tilda Owen. I have been waiting for this. I love how you take into account everything about Caitlyn's attraction to Vi. As always, you see or notice things that no one didn't suspect. And made it clear to us. Such us the importance to Caitlyn's lines in relation to herself as a character. Especially her personality and attraction to Vi. When you mentioned that Caitlyn's need to open up about what happened, I've always imagined her opening up to Vi about her feelings of anger and sadness about that. Especially for her feelings for Vi. This will no doubt have an impact on Vi, that she will struggle to response properly to this as Caitlyn did, during their time together in season 1. This way, their story shows the struggles and hurdles they'll face together. I also hope for a kiss between them. For more video suggestions:
- Dose Vander deserve forgiveness for what he did to Silco?
- Analysis on Mel's character, motives and personality
- The friendship of Jayce and Viktor
Thank you so much! Yes, I think we'll see some interesting conversations between them next season! Unless more disaster strikes and all they can do is try to stay alive 🙈😱
At some point I may look into Mel? But it depends, right now, I'm taking a little break 😊
Your insight is incredible Tilda! 👏
Thank you so much! 😊
I love your channel, you describe arcane so well and in depth it's amazing, almost like a psychologist also i like your humor
Thank you so much! I'm glad you like my style and humour 😊 I'm not a psychologist, but I can see the resemblance to the analysis I do. A psychologist reads people, I read characters 😊
@@tildaowen yeah It's soo cool. You read these characters reaaally well and I am so glad I found someone that took the time to do this cuz I believe their relationship is so interesting and deep😫and most likely people will miss much of this but yeah good job on highlighting everything
@@aiva3890 Thanks a lot! Yes, I love Violyn too (obviously!) and the more light I can shine on them and Arcane the better!
@@tildaowen Violyn 🤣
@@aiva3890 Yes, I think that's a so much better ship name than CaitVi (and no, I didn't come up with it myself) 😊
These videos are always so good and ur voice is so relaxing 😌
Thank you so much 😊
So late to the party but I love the pacing and editing to this video. ❤
Thank you so much! 😘
Great video essay as always!
I agree with almost everything, but disagree on a couple of points, both minor:
I think you are being a little hard on Jayce. He didn't cause Caitlyn to lose her job, but he is rightfully worried about her - she's the lone survivor of seven enforcers that were blown up. He _offers_ her a job, but she gets caught up in her own feelings and gets annoyed with him, a little unjustly, I think - but understandable. If she'd said "How about a more active role?" then he may have agreed - but her annoyance at Marcus and her mother get transferred to him in the moment.
I don't think Vi throws the term "cupcake" back at Caitlyn in the rain scene. Vi's voice become suddenly gentle after Caitlyn asks "What about us?" Vi just sounds mournful and defeated to me.
Oh, you might be right, but only in that Caitlyn is hard on him, so that's what I'm explaining. I like Jayce (even if I find him slightly boring, he's a good person!), and he tries his best with Caitlyn, but it doesn't work 1: because he should have known that Caitlyn wouldn't go for it (and I'm not saying he made her lose her job, that was the mother and Marcus), she detests the fact that he talked to her mother and the sheriff about it behind her back and that he's suddenly a Councillor... 2: Caitlyn is obsessing about something and he's rightly worried, but when she is like that, she is impossible to get through to! And she is right about her obsession so she dismisses him offhand. Should she have done that? IMO, no, but like I said, she had tunnel vision... And in the end I also say that Caitlyn needs someone to tease her and take her down from that high horse of hers, and it seems Vi is the person to do it...
On the scene in the rain, I agree, Vi is extremely sad her voice almost breaks (excellent voice acting!). She is not throwing the word at her no, but the cupcake is definitely less sweet here, since she follows it with negative words about Caitlyn's class. Does Vi mean it? No, but she tries to push Caitlyn away (that's what she does to those she loves...)
Oh, the evening just got better!
Oh, hi Tilda! Welcome back :) I'll enjoy this video later with a cup of coffee.
EDIT: Wow! Great video :) it actually, no joke, made me cry a bit...
Thank you so much! I'm so moved by them too...
This show and it’s small details! You did an amazing analysis of this character. With such a soothing voice, really brings everything together)
Thanks a lot! Yes, this show is amazing! 😍
This is the first video of yours I've come across but I must say I really enjoyed your analysis. Caitlyn is also my favorite character because she is so very relatable. What's sad about Vi and her parting is that Vi pushes her away because she's from Piltover. People have told Caitlyn what she can and cannot do because of who she is her whole life. To hear it yet again from someone who finally saw more than her birthright... The poor girl can't catch a break.
Also, judging from the short clip from season 2, I am willing to bet that Caitlyn becomes her father's caretaker through his grief. Even though she lost her own mother, she will put her feelings aside to help someone else. She really needs someone who will look after her -- Vi has certainly demonstrated she is capable of that.
Thank you. You're right, Caitlyn can't catch a break. And neither can Vi... I don't think Vi pushes Caitlyn away because she's from Piltover, but she uses it as an excuse... And Caitlyn gets this ("you're just saying that"), but there's nothing she can do... Vi pushes her away because she cares for her, that's how Vi protects those she loves... 😭
@@tildaowen Ah, you're right, and said as much in the video. I suppose what I meant was that Vi falls back on the Piltover issue as an excuse, a coverup for what she feels, which is all the more frustrating because she is the only person who has treated Caitlyn with anything more (or less) than perfect politeness. But you're more eloquent. That is why you're making these videos and not I.
Thank you for these, btw. I'll check out the rest of your series soon.
@@netherworlde oh, you're quite eloquent yourself, it's just the amount of time and editing, retakes, etc to make the videos makes one clean out most inaccuracies... Not all, though, so it's great to have a chance to comment and discuss 😊 And I agree with you absolutely, Vi sees Caitlyn as more than just her background and it hurts when Vi uses this as an excuse...
I've watched this episode a number of times and I didn't realize the tapping of the thumb. That's quite a detail.
Thank you, there are so many cool details in the show!
Great analysis (this and the previous). We agree on most things, although some things I didn't consider or wouldn't have been able to word as well as you did.
Thanks a lot! I love how a little digging reveals so much additional information! 😊
hello again tilda 🤩 another stunning analysis
Thanks a lot, glad you liked it 😊
Love your analysis! Caitlyn is such an underrated character!!
Wow, thanks a lot! Yes, I love Caitlyn, she's great, so I wanted to shed some light on her ❤️
This was a fantastic video! I really agree with your opinion that Caitlyn is more inexperienced then some shippers believe, and that is part of the reason why her budding relationship with Vi is growing rather quickly. But I do have one question. Are you going to make a characterization video for other characters? I’d love to see one about Vi, Ekko, Jinx, Viktor, Jayce and more! 🤍
Thank you! That's how I see her, we'll see when season 2 comes if my interpretations hold water!
Right now I think I'll take a little break, but I might do a characterisation of Vi at some point. Or maybe look into the Firelights some more... Or another show! But we'll see... 😉
Totally missed the tapping thumb...great analysis as usual.
Thank you very much! 😊
Great video! Just love these two.
Thank you! Me too (obviously, lol!)
Я пересмотрела практически все видео по аркейн у вас на канале и могу сказать, что это великолепно!❤
Мне так нравится ваши разборы, не смотря на то, что приходится смотреть их с ломанными русскими субтитрами
И я так же безумно люблю персонажа Кейтлин, считаю, что он весьма недооценен (
Thank you! Yes, I'm totally hooked on Caitlyn, she's very underrated!
Great analysis!
Thank you! 😊
Amazing script once again, Tilda
Thanks, Ruth, means a lot coming from you!
she’s literally such a precious character, i love her sm
Yup, Caitlyn is very precious to me too, I made 7 videos about her!!! Lol!
Another great video for my playlist. If you haven't checked them out Schnee, Stop Me Oh, Xiao Long Media, and Flying Walrus all have some good(imo) videos for the Cait/Vi relationship.
Thank you! Yes, I've seen (read: inhaled) their videos, very nice, especially schnee!
Nice Vid. Seems you thought sbout it a lot and went through it pretty thoroughly.
Thanks! And yes, it took some looking into!
ELECTRICITY!
I feel almost sad that this video concludes the Caitlyn topic (well, at least until Season 2 arrives). But it's an excellent conclusion to an excellent series dedicated to her. I don't have anything more to add, your interpretations and attention to detail you've shown in your videos said it all (even the things I've never thought about, especially the small movements that shows the nervousness of Caitlyn when she's about to decide in a critical situation. That may be an obvious thing but, I've never caught it).
The Owen never disappoints! See you in the next "baking Cupcake" session! I'll miss the smell until then!
Thanks a lot, I'm glad the Owen Oven delivered a tasty treat, a scrumptious cupcake 😋😂
And yes, I'm a little sad too, also because season 2 is so far away... 😭 But you can always come back and have a "pun fest" again, if you're up for it 😉🤣
@@tildaowen Well, we are one day closer to the second season already. Just hoping that Riot team doesn't pull a Heimerdinger on us...
Oh, I feel my puncakes are done and dusted, as they were limited to my abilities. But I'll return to this awesome series, cooked by our favourite Danish chef with an ultimate English accent!
Ha ha, I'll look forward to it, I definitely think your skills are great! And yes, every day we get closer to season 2 😍
I have so many things I want to write and express about this video, your thoughts, opinions, words, about Caitlyn, and oh my God I feel like a mess. I'm actually fighting tears right now, I'm not kidding.
Why tears? I don't know. Maybe because Caitlyn is just such a beautiful, BEAUTIFUL character and person that she gets to me through her actions and words (like I believe pretty much everyone falling for her must feel) Maybe tears of sadness at the notion that she isn't real, therefore I can never meet her. I don't know. I think this must be what it feels like when someone uses the phrase "I'm in a glass-case of emotion*". I don't freaking know.
Back to the video, when you listed the times Caitlyn talks about herself I smiled to myself thinking of how it is not a suprise she opens up about herself with those she is closest to, Jayce her friend and Vi her equal on a spiritual level. And the segment about the "What about us?" dialogue and scene? Gosh, that was like having a knife being twisted in the chest. After that I'm highly, HIGHLY anticipating Caitlyn and Vi's interactions and conversations in season 2. I also believe there's hight possibility that there will be a kiss between them in season 2. Maybe in the middle or more toward the end of the season. But who knows really? Probably only the writers :p
And speaking of writers. I very much appreciate your disclaimer about analyzing only based on what you see, hear, and know by watching the show and not by writers comments and twitters. It makes your analysis not only unique but absolutely genuine, and I can't stress how much I appreciate that about this show and specially about Caitlyn and Vi. It is fresh, it is an eyes and mind opener to me. So, thank you very much for your authenticity Tilda.
I haven't been able to watch episodes 3 and 4 of Bridging the Rift the making of Arcane, but I saw those images of Caitlyn and Tobias and I seriously hope those don't mean Cassandra died in the attack🙏😅 Maybe she is just badly injured and Tobias is such a soft soul that he looks devastated even if his wife didn't die. What brings me to question if Cassandra truly dies is Caitlyn being so composed next to her father... Would she really be that poised if her mother had died? Maybe, if she has to be strong for her father, who knows? I just hope Caitlyn doesn't have to go through the loss of her mother😅🙏
Back to Caitlyn (and Vi), I've never read a romance novel in my life. But if I had to guess what that is like, I'd say it must feel quite similar to listening to you analysing and your musings from the moment Caitlyn holds and touches Vi's face when the latter is injured. Really, your words and voice made me feel the feels. And this probably sounds silly but I have to say your accent, much like Caitlyn's, is very charming.
I'm sure I'm missing stuff here but my head is still spinning for this wonderful and masterful video. So many details and notions, facts and possibilities to absorb. Thank you for such marvelous analysis on this amazing show but most of all on the beyond endearing character that is Caitlyn Kiramman.
Thank you Tilda so much.
Hi @psgamer0199, so sorry for the late reply, the amount of comments to this video have been more than I have been able to reply to swiftly, especially the long ones that my phone app just can't do justice... So I have finally found yours again, and I'm glad I did, because as always, your comments are interesting. And sweet! I definitely agree with the fact that "Caitlyn is just such a beautiful, BEAUTIFUL character and person that she gets to me through her actions and words"
@@tildaowen Hi Tilda :) Don't worry about the late reply. I imagined a reason for that was the other messages you must be answering to. Thank you for caring enough te reply whenever you can though, I really appreciate it^^
Like I said, the way you do your analysis not only is unique, it is also very genuine and I love it. Even more so when you talk about Caitlyn💕
Now that you mention "work of art", reminds me that today I finished watching the making of Arcane, Bridging the Rift. The work, all of it, that was put into this show is like nothing ever done before. I definitely need to rewatch Arcane as soon as I can.
I'm excited and a little bit dreading season 2 for anything bad that could happen to the characters😅 But I have to remember this show is a drama...
I'm also expecting plenty of romance between Cait and Vi. And more of your analysis on these characters when the time comes.
Thank you again Tilda for all your work!
Thanks a lot! Bridging the Rift was really interesting to see, and they really tease about season 2 in the last episode, can't wait for season 2!
@@tildaowen Same!
How come no one points out Grayson asks young flashback Cait "What are you shooting for?" in the episode she helps Vi against Sevika by shooting and destroying her shimmer tube. Like she found a purpose with Vi that she hadn't known before.
Well, I did talk about it, just in the video about Caitlyn before she met Vi (Characterisation of Caitlyn Kiramman). It's an excellent moment, I agree!
@@tildaowen Oh, I apologize, at least I got caught up in your other videos as well. That's good because I was starting to think maybe it was just me that thought about the correlation. Anyway, love your representation and brilliant accent.
@@andrewlacosse2096 no worries, you watched my videos, thanks 😊 And it is an important moment, so I understand why you pointed it out!
Great analysis
Thank you! 😊
OMG thank you so much for this masterpiece!!!! I was looking forward to this video and I must say you did a wonderful job (again)! The analysis of my favorite girl is spot on and I agree 100% about everything you say!!!! Caitlyn's personality is what made me fall in love with her (and yeah I admit it, also because she is hot) and in these fantastic 30 minutes you managed to express everything I have always thought about her
Thanks a lot, I'm glad I live up to your expectations 😊
Yes, it will be so interesting to see next season how it goes forward. If the scene from Bridging the Rift is indeed from season 2 then it also reveals that Vi and Caitlyn separate for a while (oh no), so I think it will take a little while, but we'll get there for sure! Can't wait! 😍
Yeah I am expecting something like that, because of course we have to suffer first if we want to finally see them together 😭 but it would definitely be in arcane style to separate them for a while, just to build up the suspence 😭😭 but no matter what happens, I know deep down in my heart they will eventually confess their love for one another and they will be a couple because seriously this is the best love story I have ever seen in my life! They can't be apart, it would be just cruel and unfair ❤
Yes, I agree, best love story ever so far, hope they keep it up! 😍
I like that the change from meeting the tattoo criminal to Vi was smooth and felt natural. Without a doubt Vi would have physically reacted to seeing somebody from silco's regime. And there's no way she doesn't remember him specifically. It only makes sense to talk to the person that tried to silence him the moment he got there. A lot of shows force characters to meet in an awkward way but the scene flowed like water.
I agree! It's the only lead Caitlyn has, so naturally, she chases it...
The animation and writing is what sets this show apart because they have taken the time to show the little facial reactions to simple things that we as humans and as the audience either consciously or unconsciously notice little moments like Vi tapping Caits leg, or Her grabbing the back of her neck. Or Cait good vi's face, or burrowing her face in Vi's neck are ways that even as a casual watcher who could be the most oblivious person ever think that they have chemistry. And as someone who loves deep dives on characters notice those things as for what they are, little connections that we do every day. And it proves yet again that it's not forced or rushed at all. It's a slow thought out burn with key moments that can be over looked or missed all together. The animation and writing of this show is fuckin perfect
Edit: even like "callbacks" to earlier in the show when they fought or had harsh contact and not soft or watching them individually, change and grow with each other. Even the passing glances between the too, their eyes are analyzing then soft or longing. The animation is perfect
I agree, the animation is the best I've ever seen! The fact that they can show so much just by facial expressions and little gestures shows that Arcane is miles ahead of all other animated shows... What's more, we can interpret a whole hell of a lot from their expressions and gestures, as you say, deep dives into their feelings etc. Because not a single expression is coincidental or superfluous, an animator spent at least a day on it! The expressions can indeed be overlooked, but they all have a purpose. Amazing! And a gold mine for an analyst like me! ❤️