Why The NBA 2KLeague DESERVED to Die.
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The closest thing to competitive 2k I watched was tyceno wagers. His playstyle was actually creative rather than a full game watching people spam and cheese the same exact animations every possession. Idk how people find that entertaining.
They don’t, that’s why it failed 🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️
It's a video game though; they learned to min-max the game the same way professionals in other games have. It's not the same as the NBA / real life
they arent even good lol just good at glitching one or 2 moves to perfection... they cant cut or even make basic inbound passes lol. they never hit a euro or spin move.. they have no bags i dont get it
You hit everything on the head man. Great video!
How is CHRIS SMOOVE or Cash Nasty not the commentators? That alone told me they didn't know what the community wanted or how to make it last.
We want to see our personalities in the community. We don't care about the matches if we can't get behind the player's. It's crazy that ESPN did a better job with the Madden Bus from back in like 2005 then 2k did! I loved that show when I was growing up and it was simple but it had personality.
Most people can't take 2K serious as a competitive game because the game relies so heavily on algorithm, pay to win and cheese/glitches. I've said since the start of 250k, if they want to start being taken seriously as a competitive sport they need to remove the pay to win aspect and also turn of the "momentum simulator" or whatever it is.
For park this could easily be done by a mode using call of duty style loadouts where everyone has set stats and badges based on desired playstyle with maybe 5-10 releases selectable and a choice of 2-3 animations or something.
MyTeam can't be legitimately be competitive due to the core pay to improve progression style, I think that's why the competition changed to play now this year.
I disagree Madden is the same exact same way but it's actually enjoyable to people
this vid is the first time i've watched 2k league footage. THERES NO WAY they're pros shooting early and lates wide open. 2 casuals playing in unlimited is way more entertaining to watch 😭
Not to make excuses, but i think their difficulty sliders are "beyond hall of fame" , so im guessing the slightest millisecond off makes a huge difference
imagine poor shot IQ from so-called "pros"...
@@rastheking really? i didn't actually know that. that kinda shows more of how little 2k knows anything bc it makes it so hard to watch
@@Its_Maccahow does them being more skilled make it hard to watch lol
@@freddycalipari4242cus it’s not perceivable, if anything it makes you think they can’t time a jumpshot that most people can, even tho that’s not actually the case
lack of an actual ranked mode never being in the game was ridiculous. The 2k19 combine mode was the closest we ever got to having one.
2K had the formula with 250K tournament for pro am. All that needed to be done was an expansion on the concept with multiple smaller cash tournaments throughout the game cycle and maybe a bigger cash prize for the big tournament.
You essentially would have every content creator making content centered around these tournaments while every non content creator is given a reason to be invested because of the chance at making some money and or a name for themselves.
But this company would rather try to make half court shots then take an uncontested lay up.
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Not gonna lie, 2K doesn't advertise the league games at all. I didnt even know the footage was on CZcams 😅
Pretty cool vid though and the fighting game reference really drives it home on how different the Esport is handled
Cant believe im only seeing this now!
But i knew 2k were doomed when in 2k21 after they had 300 viewers on their 250k watch party and i had 7,000 concurrents from making it an entire event, making stories around it and the players etc. yet instead of messaging me (i was a nextmaker at this time) they threw tens of thousands of dollars at NBA players who nobody cared about just to get less concurrents than my watch party of their stream in the final!
Thanks, Mick! I'm actually glad they fumbled the way they did and didn't involve creators like yourself. It was an obviously beneficial move that would have given them artificial success. Now that they've finally gotten tired of failure, maybe they can make a good product that will actually benefit from involving creators.
@@BooksNelson-bx2bq I think from the MyTeam perspective there are only a small few creators left who will be able to benefit from 2k or will be able to bring hype into any aspect of the mode! And none that could bring organic hype towards content/events like we could back in the day!
They blew it by doing everything in their power to distance themselves and run away the people responsible for the most organic hype the mode ever had!
@@DBG2k I couldn't agree more. And the sad thing is, you can't control hype or recreate it once it's lost. They just squandered and ignored it like it wasn't a special time. The arrogance is off the charts.
In my opinion it’s the gameplay/lack of personality mainly to blame. I watched a game by accident a couple weeks ago and it’s just people spamming the same cheesy moves but with actual basketball commentary. Couldn’t believe 2k pro players were doing jab steps in the paint to give them an unstoppable meter dunk.
They’ve made a game in which the best way to win is by spamming overpowered moves while everyone else stands completely still. But if they make 2k too realistic, everyone will complain. The ONLY way to make the current game a watchable esport is by having personalities that make it fun. I will never watch someone do Jamal Murray behind the back for 30 minutes with actual basketball commentary😂
I remember staying up till 5am to watch tyceno wagers because he played the game completely different to anyone else. But in a 5v5 setting 2k have made it so the best way to score is also the cheesiest way to play the game.
And I know someone’s thinking “every game has cheesy stuff”. I play ufc A LOT. There’s cheese and moves people spam but you can counter them by playing the game smartly. I apply real fighting principles and they actually work in ufc. But in 2k, real basketball is a lot harder for whatever reason. In 2k, if someone gets a stun animation and 20ft of space off a Jamal Murray behind the back (that he’s never done in a game), there’s nothing you can do to about it.
And in ufc if some spams a knee to an elbow, that’s still a real thing fighters do, I can’t even be mad at it. But I’ve never seen an nba player L2 cancel into a crab. As a community we need to decide do we want the game to be like actual basketball or do we want it how it is now. And judging by the complaints with shooting being too hard at release, 2k players don’t want it too realistic. Even though people were shooting 40% which is good in real life.
As a community we did this to ourselves. Yes there’s dumb animations like passing the ball into the defenders head or the defender blocking a layup with his knee. But the stuff 2k try to improve, we complain about.
If 2k make an actual realistic game where the pg isnt just dribbling for a 3, people will complain. If they make a game where locks don’t get 7 steals a game, everyone will complain. If they make a game where people shoot 40% from 3, everyone will complain. If they make a game where the court feels bigger so locks can’t guard 2 at the same time, the locks will complain. If they make a game where centers dominate in the post they’ll complain. If they make a game where it’s realistic they’ll say they miss “2k16”. If they make a game with all the cheesy repetitive stuff everyone will say it’s boring.
the jamal murray BTB isnt cheese tho lmfao like what 😭
@@7OFF4L absolutely is. It’s not even a move Jamal Murray does. When basketball players do a behind the back it’s into a fading shot. Not a stand still wide open shot. It’s a 2k animation that gives you infinite space especially off an L2 cancel. Same with John wall step back, how can you be driving to the midrange and instantly hop back to a stand still 3pt shot. Or the John wall crossover that teleports you 5 yards in front of your defender so they can’t contest your dunk. The game would be better if every animation was somewhat useable. Not having 5 animations that everyone’s spams on every possession.
Difference between nba 2k and other simulation games is that the “cheese” is actually doable in real life. In ufc people spam a knee into an elbow but I can’t be mad since that’s an actual thing fighters do. When have you seen an nba player left right left right left right Jamal Murray behind the back to a stand still 3? Leave that for the park or something not 5v5. On fifa people run down the touch line and pass it to the man in the box, it’s hard to stop but I can’t be mad since that’s something that happens in the actual sport. Where have you ever seen a basketball player do an L2 cancel behind the back then immediately stop all their momentum and have a wide open stand still shot😂? Cheese is basically overpowered moves that are hard to stop. And if Jamal Murray btb isn’t overpowered why does everyone use it?
@@minovictor its a video game bro, nobody would wanna play ts if it was realistic lmfao its just a MOVE. A move that can be easily stopped at THAT
@@minovictor and yes something can be the “best” without being cheesy lmfao. Literally anybody can put that shit on and if they suck they will suck
After how they went about the draft process in 2K 18 that turned off a lot of people
including me
I love that we’re having this conversation. I had zero idea that the 2K league wasn’t followed b/c I don’t follow them lol. I feel that the amt of TLC that 2K gave the league is the same amt of TLC it gives MyTeam and possibly their game in general outside of monitoring the economics of the game
Nailed it books. I wacthed you on your simnation podcast bk in the day. Appreciate your information brother.
lol @ "the worst e-sport in the history of e-sports"
Love this video, one thing I will say DCQ is well known amongst the FGC. He’s been good since SF4
They literally parted ways with actual GAME. Why would I watch E-sport of the game that I cant play? I have different game, you dont talk about my version of the game, I cant play your game build. In fact avarage 2k player have nothing in common with 2kLeague. This is strange move from my point of view.
Great video, thank you!
this is a really interesting video on marketing and influencer marketing and digital marketing versus television marketing and how executives pick what goes on stream or what goes on tv and how a lot of those guys are marketing this like tv vs listening to fans of video game basketball
Very spot on, with examples to back up all your points. A big issue is the fact 2k players don't even like the game. 2k needs to actually listen to their community & make a game their community would like. Instead, they just care about filling their pockets, microtransactions just to be competitive is crazy & they don't care, as long as they profit & the game is playable
Such a good video and im not in the 2k scene at all anymore. What happened to the game i love man
I looked into watching 2k league earlier this year and it was way harder to find info on it than it should be
12:57 Good to hear Chris Smoove and Shakedown getting some love. As a former game dev, I feel the pain from another angle.
I think a huge reason why is because a lot of the 2k community buy and play the game simply because there is no other competition in the sim basketball space . And it leads to why would I tune into this niche of a part of game I really don’t like like that , also man a lot of these comp guys have ego’s the size of there own planet
All E-sports person has egos size of planets brotha. You have to in order to get there and be confident
@@kvngcjgaming5559 I get what ur saying , but Kobe knew he was the best in the world and was still humble
@@ColeFrmNc lololol Kobe was NOT humble tf???
@@kvngcjgaming5559 you’re thinking on the court not off of it
@@ColeFrmNcKobe wasn’t humble, there’s plenty of vid of his teammates talking about how he use to do his teammates bad, he also called Dwight Howard soft on national tv, made his teammates take off his shoes because they lost a game, his ego got him killed… he knew not to ride in a helicopter with the weather he was in and was even told so but still chose to go and got multiple people killed… STOP MAKING UP SHIT ANOUT PEOPLE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW
Biggest thing i will say is they took the opportunity for the everyday player to have the chances at winning. EVO is a great example, it’s open for everyone to compete. Of course the pros will win but the opportunity was there for anyone. Madden has a pay to win model but also works in the Esports simply because everyone can compete.
100% agree with u on this and we been talked about this for years lol. Definitely the worst esports league
Gameplay has to be good for people to be invested 🤷🏾♂️
that was always my feeling. The gameplay, mostly built around cookie cutter templates, was boring to watch.
Glad you did this 😊
Thanks, Crazy!
Same here.
This is the one 📚 , 🔥🔥🔥
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Well researched video. I forgot all about 2k doing this until this video. Man you can see why this failed
I had no idea the league was doing that bad. I thought it was just me when I never thought it was entertaining from the start
I watched the 2k league when it first started in 2k18. I started to get invested in it cuz I liked knicks gaming cuz at the time they were considered an underdog that ended up winning the major tournament. I think they had to beat blazers gaming which was considered to be the best team in the game. I would mamaimdatman was probably the only few that had some sort of personality cuz he would kind of take that villain if u even wanna call it that. I only knew about the league in the first place because of agent. However the following year when they did the draft I think half the people or maybe more than half the people were kicked out of the league. I had no idea who any of them were. I very quickly became uninterested and stopped watching. I watch mainly cod league right now. There some major issues within that league as well but I would definitely say they have personalities and storylines and many different people covering the esport. The 2k league also has issues with it happening towards the end of the game cycle which makes no sense cuz at that point everyone is just looking for the next 2k dropping in September. Also the builder in the league is completely different than the shipped game and I have no idea how that looks like. How am i supposed to be invested in an esport game where I don’t even know what build there even using besides just reading it when it shows up prior to the tip off. I don’t know the attributes or the badge count or what tier badge they have it in. The draft is definitely not the way to bring in new talent. Everyone plays the same. When everyone is forced to play on the same builds people are just gonna play the same and it’s boring to watch. They been playing the same since the start of the league and they expect people to watch this repetitive ass shit. There’s a bunch of other issues.
Great video, you are absolutely right!
My home girl Ziah got drafted and barely got PT so I just stopped giving a damn.
With all respect to him, I knew the 2K League was doomed when Kuda won FMVP in the first season lmao.
I was trying to get in the league back in 2k18 that process was bad and i didn't make it so i stopped caring about that trash
DCQ even catching strays from small 2k creators lmaoo
CEO does it so perfectly because they have well know people in certain communities that make guest appearances at different tournaments from time to time
I actually watched and wanted to be apart of this but didn’t want to commit everything to be apart of this. It was dead when I was watching and I didn’t even know who was good or the top players. NCAA boutta drop. RIP 2k League 😂
Hopefully that means instead of making the game competitive they will go back to making the game fun again 🙏🏾
It’s all 2-3 defense and the inside big on both teams makes the gameplay boring
No one plays 2-3 in the comp scene, it's the easiest defense in the game to beat.
Im convinced any player with a good connection can go pro in this game
Nothing to do with 2k league but I think that pie charts should come but just allow higher overalls and more modification
pie charts were terrible man
@@gorilla8811 I know but they should give higher attributes and a little customization how they have now but not a lot if this makes sense to some of the cheese
2k don't take it seriously. The community doesn't take it seriously. I have never in my life hear a bunch of people in a community, say that they can do better than the "pros." No one says that in the fighting game community, Hero Shooters, Rocket league, etc. Take two needs to do better and the community needs to do better. Both are toxic lol
2k as a game should’ve never went the pro gaming way. It’s made the game a try hard game instead of a casual pick up and play sports game. But lastly 2k only grew because of personality creators like smoove and cash, no one wanted to watch a group of nobodies play a boring 5v5. They should’ve went the madden espn route and got the most famous creators and put em in a house or a bus and have them represent different teams and have a tournament for cash.
Does 2k really care is my question the only thing that they seem to care about in my opinion is the bottom dollar and how things effect that
Bro imagine if steezo was in the 2k league😭😭
The 2k league sounds like the WNBA before CC.
If that failed investment dosen’t show them to pay attention and listen to the community then the company is toast
The 2K League is the reason they moved to archetypes if you ask me.
Hate to say it but it’s inherently boring to watch a guard move around screens while most of the team spot-ups, only occasionally running plays. Unless the game or style of play changes to be more entertaining to watch they need to pivot and start drafting charismatic or interesting players, or build personalities or rivalries between players and teams. Then market the shit out of it so people know about the personalities and rivalries. Also please lower the difficulty they play on (they play on harder than Hof difficulty) so they can hit crazy exciting and clutch shots to keep it entertaining. But this won’t happen the league will die out 🙃
whats even crazier is your video is well done but itll get nowhere close the views it should get because nobody cares about the 2k league. I been saying literally nobody cares because its boring. Mark my words when 2k fifa comes out and they focus on it because soccer has over 3B fans 2k basketball will crumble harder. That esport is going to be 10x more entertaining
One thing is attracting the viewer, that 2k league video looks bland & robotic + lame commentary probably. Choc’s video there’s so many eye catching things and actual creativity. Wonder why nobody told 2k to be creative
So weird that they play online across from each other in the league why not just go play now with created players ? Lan style tournament
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2k doesn't care about gameplay, 2k doesn't care about their player base, 2k never cared about the 2KL! It deadass be like 50 ppl watching them games... They day 2k decided to make this game playable through a full cycle again will be the day ppl can build careers off this game again until then, same cycle each yr, which is getting worse and worse... Its literally abt effort atp
This was a joke from the start 😂
Why would anyone watch a game when they can't determine what is skillful or not? They are playing on sliders that nobody know about. It had no chance
Shit is so funny in a cringe way. The way they talk shit to each other and the emotional draft 😂 😂
cuz nothin but lames are in the league ... how do ii buy it
That’s why I don’t see why 2k players try so hard then talk shyt 😂 it’s a certain ceiling you going to reach and that’s it so what’s the point in playing hard for 😂
The 2K League was boring.. I could never get into it
2k wants to be a dictator so bad ☠️
The whole entire 2K League is & was overrated‼️
Honestly I doubt we get another good 2k. Wish they just up the old servers and content creators run back old wagers before I lose all interest and stop watching and playing ts
Just put fries in my bag bro 😂
You clearly haven't watched Disney star wars...
Too many people who arent good at the game trying to go online and play. Devs listening to people who have not a single clue how game development works. And the community feeding into the absurd micro transactions is why this game is dying.
And thinking an E-league for this disaster of a video game will thrive is just plain delusional.
Its failure cause no one cares about 2k especially since 2k was know for park 😂💯
Now do a video why myTeam needs to die
They had good commentators but they could commentate every game and they couldn't mic the players cause they curse too much
Literally no one cares about the 2K league, WHERE IS KOBE!?!
You creators sound like haters reveling in their demise