Would love to see more content like this. Comparing and explaining the differences between builds, their strengths and weaknesses, and how to make that decision. I feel like that is a topic that is highly undercovered in the poe content creator community. Keep it up!
The big fat advantage of TR PF is the flask uptime and easy acess on res cap. 100% uptime on movement speed buff with silverflask. Going for EA ele needs a huge sacrifice to transition.
I was considering starting with TR, the issue is that with the new quality we lose 10% inc aoe and we have to get it somewhere else, if we get it on the helm implicit we lose mana cost reduction but didn't look too much into it.
Every time I've played TR I've played with a self use TR 6L + focused ballista TR 6L and it's been great. Great damage and fast clear with the main 6L and just drop ur ballistae if need more single target for tanky rare or boss. Always felt like it had great clear speed and single target even getting into red maps on SSF. I can't imagine playing TR with pure ballistas.
It depends on the content you like to do. Ballista is very nice for heist, you can put the totems down and focus on positioning or looting. The advantage of pure ballista is that you don't have to stand in one spot, drop down the totems and move, it's a very nice defensive layer if you ask me
I never played EA ballista but started TR Pathfinder in different variations for like 5 leagues straight and it never disappointed me. For the past couple of leagued I did Wilmas Requital helmet variant from Palesteron. I never went as hard on the build as he did because my league start is basically clearing the entire atlas. Farming 50-100div after that and moving on. The advantage of my approach is that my build costs like 100-300 chaos total and never requires any investment whatsoever after that. I will break down the costs: about 150 chaos total for flasks(you basically need increased flask charges gained on all utility flasks and whatever other useful mods such as movement speed, evasion, reduced mana cost of skills, attack speed and cast speed) I use evasion, phasing, movement speed and onslaught flasks for my variation. Then you pick up perfect rolled Quill Rain and 5link it - about 10-15chaos(I use crap rolled one that i buy around act 5 for 5 chaos or so until i switch to good rolled), Wilmas-was 20c on day 3 last league(if you got lucky with drops buy more until 90% reservation). One of the top priorities is Lightning coil 5linked - 50 chaos with good life roll. Other pieces vary depending on the league but usually i go for triple res + life quiver, 2 chaos res rings with life and essence chaos damage and Bloodgrip amulet to further take advantage of the life flask. Build kills 2 voidstones easily, I usually buy service for maven and my friend does uber elder for free as long as i have the pieces and he gets to keep the loot. After all gear is acquired, usually through chaos recipe and some early lockpicking contracts, the build is done, just farm whatever you want, heist, blighted map, beasts and essences on white maps are some of my top picks. I did modify Palesterons pob to tailor to my specific playstyle to the point that this build is just pure comfort for me. Its very comfy to know that you will have good league start no matter what, prices on gear that I need are always low, there is 0 pressure to race others. EA balista is a lot more focused on rares so the costs vary from league to league. In my TR costs are relatively fixed which is the main advantage the wsy i see it
thats the problem though. TR is only comfy and has a low ceiling damage wise. it cant boss or uber,and it took a while and difficult to clear 8 mods t16 + deli. meanwhile,a 10 div ea elementalist can clear that with relative ease( as long as there is no avoid ele ailment in the mod)
@@luvin-ws7hl if you play one character per league than yes better play EA. I personally see starters as a character I play for a couple of weeks to get going and then move on. Killing ubers and doing juiced maps are definitely not on the menu when you build cheap characters
@@iliapavlenko6299thx for the detailed description! I started EA before and wanted to try toxic rain as a starter next league. saw that palsteron guide too, but didn't like the fact he has no second skill for clearing. if you happen to have a guide for your approach I'd love to bookmark that.
@@fdsafdsafa4144 the balista version does not have a second skill for clearing. The only skill that comes to mind is caustic arrow. The reason I don't play with CA is that it does not scale with attack speed. Toxic rain can buy a bow on day 2 for 5 chaos and never worry about anything again. Caustic arrow requires substantial investment such as 8 divine bow, dot multi quiver that is like 20 div last time I checked. The tree will be slightly different because you don't need to go hard on totems without Wilmas. Since I use it as cheap starter I never really bothered looking for endgame guides. Zizaran and Steelmage are known toxic rain lovers in ssf. You could check their channels for videos like a year ago. Sorry that I couldn't point out the PoB.
I've played TR Pathfinder with Wilma's Requital, with lots of flask effect + onslaught effect it was absolutely awesome, mapping was extremely clean with it, i'd just place a totem every 1s and everything just dies I even crafted on the bow Cast Speed + Arcane Surge on kill to have even more cast speed (that is transformed into attack speed thanks to wilma's) and the build was ultra smooth, very fast and super strong for single target
@@davidmaltais2912 Yeah it is ! I might league start it with magic find personnaly, it's an easy build to make, only thing you need is wilma's requital that is usually very cheap and easy to get early and there you go. You need one six link for your ballista setup and for the other one i go ensnaring arrows with gmp, mirage archer and culling strike support, it slows ennemies witch makes the build even stronger. And cull is always nice to have, then you can add whatever you want but you need to scale both attack speed and cast speed wherever you can, and onslaught effect, the ballistas are going to fire at a dumb rate and nothing survives. To get the idea i'd just do blights by putting one ballista on each lane and i would then, watch something on my screen (right clicking here and there for mirage archer and that was it :D)
@@davidmaltais2912 yes.but,ea elementalist has higher damage ceiling,better single target and better clear in red maps/8 mods maps. TR fell off real bad in late game or against fast moving boss/mob.
Don't forget the quality changes! - Toxic Rain get base skill duration, which allows for higher ramping - Explosive Arrow gets more maximum fuses, which can be more damage, if you can hit the limit Not sure, which one of these would influence the discussion more!
yep quality is huge, still need to know the other gems and you can also go for TR + Manaforged Arrow Setup for very high clear speed and very good single target
@@1skax 'very high clear speed and very good single target' thats debatable. good single target? it can barely reach 12m dps even with 50 div investment. clear speed? hmmm....i dunno,man. normal t16? maybe. t16 8 mods with 80% deli? nope! bossing? meh. this is exclusively for EA elementalist,though. ea champion is similar or about the same with TR.
ea hit pretty hard by that change imo. damage increased by a pretty big amount but MUCH harder to actually hit that cap especially since less duration means you need even higher attack speed to hit the old cap let alone the new cap
I've league started EA 5 leagues in a row now and this league I played it for almost 2 months like 6-8 hours a day lol. I've leagued started TR twice and I wanted to get out of it within the first week every time. So I have a pretty one sided view one which feels better. Something no one every brings up is poison scourge arrow totems raider / pathfinder I played in kalandra league and it was pretty strong as well. Just feels bad in tight corridors.
i have the same problem... I want to play ballista style because it's 1 button playstyle with autoaiming. But can decide EA or TR. I think EA is stronger, easy can get dot cap and faster clear with ignite prolifiration. But i played it 3.22 so i want something else. So i think i will give TR a shot and maybe change later into some poison pathfinder.
Like, you can play without ballistas too right? On SSFHC affliction, most people play TR without ballista support. You fix the clunkyness of the clear and still get sick ST.
yeah, i think ill try to start with tr balistas at first to get to red maps and earn some money and then ill switch all the way to scourge arrow ballistas, you played it maybe? how it feels?
@@Bochen92 im hella afk rn, the best i can do is give you my ancestor char in poeninja, the char name was doombread, i later respecced it to a poison flicker char and changed name to ebo_trusts_flicker. So id check maybe 1st month only, did ubers no problem once u get progenisis pretty much with 0 armor/evasion
@@Bochen92 honestly if u follow the char on poeninja u can see the evolution of me discovering shit ( like the 3 mirages) to make the build feel good, just prioritse attack speed before anything
If you're trying to CLEAR with EA... get more arrows. Damage is still fine up through 60-80 deli, if there aren't any bad mods on map because most enemies are relative garbage. I use GMP... AND volley. Not greater volley, but that's a choice I made giving up 2 arrows so that the overall formation of the arrows shot would concentrate forward. And scale down the timer. It plays as pseudo hit based. Multiple projectiles don't shotgun. Any enemy can only be hit by one arrow. This is often bad but there is a silver lining. Your totems have a maximum targeting range that is very bad and is much shorter than the arrow's actual range. So if 4-8 totems are shooting 5-7+ arrows into a pack, it's likely to get arrows to pass through the pack. If you get just one arrow into the next pack, the timer starts ticking!
I play TR with a caustic arrow ballista because I love turning the ground green where ever I am. I get to T16 maps very fast and super cheap. I say play what you like personally.
Ea all the way. 3 link ea shreds to maps no problem, and endgame potential is way easier achieved than tr. It's probably the ascendency difference that make people to be on the fence about it.
I Though of using new corps like hydra for specter but with a 6L transcended DD for a OS … but i think of its doable its will be shadownerfed if not capped already …
@@lucashingueI believe the boss spectress will be quite rare and expensive. Not to mention squishy. So you'll need to scale your spectre quite considerably to make it worth the investment. Having to repurchase the hydra corpse each time it dies will be painfully expensive.
For all of you hovering between the two, EA has significantly more damage, like you are gonna hit dot cap if you build it properly. I would say approx 30-40 div to hit pinnacle boss dot cap. Additionally, EA's damage is a lot closer to PoB figures while TR fluctuates depending on what you are fighting.
should i look for total combined damage or just ignite dps ? some people say damage per ignite is wrong because you can only have one ignite, on my pob it says i have total 16m dps but my ignite dps is just 4m, which one i should take as true ?
@@burakahmettr8193 obviously,the DPS=4m. but,believe me,that 4m dps felt waaaaaaaay better,because it is not interrupted and ticks non stop since the initial damage application. all you need to do is put replica emberwake+ dyadian dawn,and go for some increase ignite duration,and voila! you hit 36m dot cap in no time(exclusively for elementalist only). theres another way to psuedoincrease the dot cap. use flame surge,and now,you will get an additional 9m dps. all in all,45m dps that is constant and uninterrupted. you will be killing uber bosses like a boss,i tell ya. like a boss.
Played both, and liked EA better. You run faster as pathfinder, but the clear of TR is much slower, so your run speed becomes only relevant while content rushing. EA also is far easier to gear. However, take into account, that caustic arrow ballista pathfinder is better than both of these builds, and better by far. Was better before it got further buffed in the upcoming patch.
Never played TR but I had a EA elementalist in 3.20, with heavy focus on damage. I stricly made it for bossing purposes. After first week I had 110m dps and I killed Uber Sirus/Uber mavens every phase in 2-3 seconds. It's probably the strongest build I've ever played for the amount of gear investment. My gear was maybe 60-80 div It also seems that EA elementalist got a buff since you get 2 extra fuses now, you only lose ignite chance (which doesnt matter for Elementalist, hence why this change is a buff, but its not a buff for Champion). Elementalist = More damage, less tanky Champion = Less damage, more tanky. Choose after your own playstyle and goals. But remember that Elementalist scale way more damage, its not a small amount. Elementalist can have 3 to 10 times higher dps than Champ.
@@MaxCCNP Would you mind showing me one? especially interested in 110m dps variant. I'm inclined to believe that you are getting POB wrong, DOT damage can't exceed the numbers I have provided.
TR is more expensive, worse clear and worse single target than EA. However, it is much faster for stuff like lab, boss rushing, beasts, heist, which are very important early league.
@@davidmaltais2912 i mean for beasts it's mostly movement speed and evasion that helps. cuz you have be fast and be able to run around while seeing stuff. ea is pretty slow and not as easy to scale evasion.
Toxic Rain hits a damage ceiling very early in red maps, at a point where the investment becomes very high in order to attain mediocre performance. If you have infinite currency I'd play TR, but if you only have 50 divines or less, TR feels bad.
lol i cleard up untill t15 or some shit on like day2 on hc on way less than 1 div budged what are u even on about lol didnt even had a 6link, less than 50div ??? ahahha wtf
@@lolleonlolable Wich build are you talking about? Also please don't compare HC .... Most people don't play HC.... Therefore don't build as tanky ......
@@lolleonlolable You have no clue what you're talking about, trying to be smart. Everyone knows TR hits a wall real fast, and that the investment required in order to attain more damage/better build overall is very large (same as all the chaos dot builds basically). Sure you can do T16 on 1 divine, but if you want to do it comfortably, fast, or do bosses without pulling your hair out, or somehow juiced content; you'll need to invest in the build, in the realm of dozens and dozens of divines.
Ruetoo: both EA and TR - not a REAL builds. For current meta agree, why do you want delayed kills and risk to be killed, when you can insta-kill with LA. GGG wanted to shake meta, but made it even worse.
I've been consistently grinded mageblood at day 4-5 for 4 leagues (if not more) and have League started bow EA Elementalist, TR Path self cast(3.24 with TR of withering) and TR Totems(This is worse, but helps by not having to spam your ability skill) Generally, EA is way faster at progressing the early game with absolutely no gear compared to TR (especially if you rush bosses and T16). I was able to consistently clear logbooks very comfortably at lvl 87/88 with a basic +3 short bow with some attack speed with DoT, Dyadian Dawn, and a decent quiver- easily achieved day 1. Although, you can get far superior gear if you just did some more maps before jumping into logbooks. Though, EA Elementalist is significantly squishier compared to Path TR- making TR a more well rounded build at higher investments. I was only able to consistently clear logbooks with 245 6L widowhail and a double dot multi attack speed + dmg bow skills quiver. even then, defenses were still quite rough and dmg is nothing comparable to EA if I invest the same amount of currency. At the time of finishing my mageblood, I spent around 20 div for EA (1 Cluster, Crafted bow, good quiver, everything else self crafted or 30c) and around 35 div for Toxic Rain. and was faster at grinding my Mageblood with my EA character as I was able to do logbooks at the start of day 2. Clear wise, EA is alot faster after getting some attack speed + LMP for general mapping (after I get empower 4 and a proper bow, I just use LMP permanently until rain of splinters , except for ubers or bosses.) TR struggles to keep up at the same level of investment. TLDR, EA Better for rushing end game, more dmg, pretty squishy. TR, more expensive, less dmg, more defenses, more rounded build. SORRY LONG COMMENT, JUST HAD TO :') *EDIT: I said without instead of with.
Currently, the difference is that both are expensive now. 10 div is not enough. Need like 100 div for the current "league starters" so really best to cut your loses and roll DD elementalist for inflation league.
The answer is none of it matters because they are league starter skills. The only real difference between TR and EA is TR is only good with pathfinder and EA is good with a champion or even a raider. You will want to play a pathfinder because pathfinder will give you flexibility when transitioning the character to a real build when you accumulate enough currency.
Would love to see more content like this. Comparing and explaining the differences between builds, their strengths and weaknesses, and how to make that decision. I feel like that is a topic that is highly undercovered in the poe content creator community. Keep it up!
The big fat advantage of TR PF is the flask uptime and easy acess on res cap. 100% uptime on movement speed buff with silverflask. Going for EA ele needs a huge sacrifice to transition.
EA wins endgame while TR has to swap either to MF or TS Deadeye
I was considering starting with TR, the issue is that with the new quality we lose 10% inc aoe and we have to get it somewhere else, if we get it on the helm implicit we lose mana cost reduction but didn't look too much into it.
you could get inc aoe on gloves and helmet + sockete aoe gems
Nice video. I still can't really decide what to play :D :D.
Every time I've played TR I've played with a self use TR 6L + focused ballista TR 6L and it's been great. Great damage and fast clear with the main 6L and just drop ur ballistae if need more single target for tanky rare or boss. Always felt like it had great clear speed and single target even getting into red maps on SSF. I can't imagine playing TR with pure ballistas.
It depends on the content you like to do. Ballista is very nice for heist, you can put the totems down and focus on positioning or looting. The advantage of pure ballista is that you don't have to stand in one spot, drop down the totems and move, it's a very nice defensive layer if you ask me
I prefer manaforged for another toxic rain setup with cull and other utilities than ballistas.
I never played EA ballista but started TR Pathfinder in different variations for like 5 leagues straight and it never disappointed me. For the past couple of leagued I did Wilmas Requital helmet variant from Palesteron. I never went as hard on the build as he did because my league start is basically clearing the entire atlas. Farming 50-100div after that and moving on. The advantage of my approach is that my build costs like 100-300 chaos total and never requires any investment whatsoever after that. I will break down the costs: about 150 chaos total for flasks(you basically need increased flask charges gained on all utility flasks and whatever other useful mods such as movement speed, evasion, reduced mana cost of skills, attack speed and cast speed) I use evasion, phasing, movement speed and onslaught flasks for my variation. Then you pick up perfect rolled Quill Rain and 5link it - about 10-15chaos(I use crap rolled one that i buy around act 5 for 5 chaos or so until i switch to good rolled), Wilmas-was 20c on day 3 last league(if you got lucky with drops buy more until 90% reservation). One of the top priorities is Lightning coil 5linked - 50 chaos with good life roll. Other pieces vary depending on the league but usually i go for triple res + life quiver, 2 chaos res rings with life and essence chaos damage and Bloodgrip amulet to further take advantage of the life flask. Build kills 2 voidstones easily, I usually buy service for maven and my friend does uber elder for free as long as i have the pieces and he gets to keep the loot. After all gear is acquired, usually through chaos recipe and some early lockpicking contracts, the build is done, just farm whatever you want, heist, blighted map, beasts and essences on white maps are some of my top picks. I did modify Palesterons pob to tailor to my specific playstyle to the point that this build is just pure comfort for me. Its very comfy to know that you will have good league start no matter what, prices on gear that I need are always low, there is 0 pressure to race others. EA balista is a lot more focused on rares so the costs vary from league to league. In my TR costs are relatively fixed which is the main advantage the wsy i see it
thats the problem though.
TR is only comfy and has a low ceiling damage wise.
it cant boss or uber,and it took a while and difficult to clear 8 mods t16 + deli.
meanwhile,a 10 div ea elementalist can clear that with relative ease( as long as there is no avoid ele ailment in the mod)
@@luvin-ws7hl if you play one character per league than yes better play EA. I personally see starters as a character I play for a couple of weeks to get going and then move on. Killing ubers and doing juiced maps are definitely not on the menu when you build cheap characters
@@iliapavlenko6299thx for the detailed description! I started EA before and wanted to try toxic rain as a starter next league. saw that palsteron guide too, but didn't like the fact he has no second skill for clearing. if you happen to have a guide for your approach I'd love to bookmark that.
@@fdsafdsafa4144 the balista version does not have a second skill for clearing. The only skill that comes to mind is caustic arrow. The reason I don't play with CA is that it does not scale with attack speed. Toxic rain can buy a bow on day 2 for 5 chaos and never worry about anything again. Caustic arrow requires substantial investment such as 8 divine bow, dot multi quiver that is like 20 div last time I checked. The tree will be slightly different because you don't need to go hard on totems without Wilmas. Since I use it as cheap starter I never really bothered looking for endgame guides. Zizaran and Steelmage are known toxic rain lovers in ssf. You could check their channels for videos like a year ago. Sorry that I couldn't point out the PoB.
I've played TR Pathfinder with Wilma's Requital, with lots of flask effect + onslaught effect it was absolutely awesome, mapping was extremely clean with it, i'd just place a totem every 1s and everything just dies
I even crafted on the bow Cast Speed + Arcane Surge on kill to have even more cast speed (that is transformed into attack speed thanks to wilma's) and the build was ultra smooth, very fast and super strong for single target
Is it easy league starter if you suck lol? I make tops 100 div per league
@@davidmaltais2912 yes, you only need a 5l quill rain and vaal haste and wilmas req.. ofc. : ) ah and a onslaught flask (or something else for it)
@@davidmaltais2912 Yeah it is ! I might league start it with magic find personnaly, it's an easy build to make, only thing you need is wilma's requital that is usually very cheap and easy to get early and there you go.
You need one six link for your ballista setup and for the other one i go ensnaring arrows with gmp, mirage archer and culling strike support, it slows ennemies witch makes the build even stronger. And cull is always nice to have, then you can add whatever you want
but you need to scale both attack speed and cast speed wherever you can, and onslaught effect, the ballistas are going to fire at a dumb rate and nothing survives.
To get the idea i'd just do blights by putting one ballista on each lane and i would then, watch something on my screen (right clicking here and there for mirage archer and that was it :D)
@@davidmaltais2912
yes.but,ea elementalist has higher damage ceiling,better single target and better clear in red maps/8 mods maps.
TR fell off real bad in late game or against fast moving boss/mob.
im between boneshatter slayer vs ea elementalist, ea can do sanctum etc. idk which one
Don't forget the quality changes!
- Toxic Rain get base skill duration, which allows for higher ramping
- Explosive Arrow gets more maximum fuses, which can be more damage, if you can hit the limit
Not sure, which one of these would influence the discussion more!
yep quality is huge, still need to know the other gems and you can also go for TR + Manaforged Arrow Setup for very high clear speed and very good single target
@@1skax
'very high clear speed and very good single target'
thats debatable.
good single target? it can barely reach 12m dps even with 50 div investment.
clear speed? hmmm....i dunno,man.
normal t16? maybe.
t16 8 mods with 80% deli? nope!
bossing? meh.
this is exclusively for EA elementalist,though.
ea champion is similar or about the same with TR.
ofcourse depens on your budget but possible in my opinion @@luvin-ws7hl
@@luvin-ws7hlea champ was so bad Id rather go TR
ea hit pretty hard by that change imo. damage increased by a pretty big amount but MUCH harder to actually hit that cap especially since less duration means you need even higher attack speed to hit the old cap let alone the new cap
I've league started EA 5 leagues in a row now and this league I played it for almost 2 months like 6-8 hours a day lol. I've leagued started TR twice and I wanted to get out of it within the first week every time. So I have a pretty one sided view one which feels better. Something no one every brings up is poison scourge arrow totems raider / pathfinder I played in kalandra league and it was pretty strong as well. Just feels bad in tight corridors.
i have the same problem... I want to play ballista style because it's 1 button playstyle with autoaiming. But can decide EA or TR. I think EA is stronger, easy can get dot cap and faster clear with ignite prolifiration. But i played it 3.22 so i want something else. So i think i will give TR a shot and maybe change later into some poison pathfinder.
Like, you can play without ballistas too right? On SSFHC affliction, most people play TR without ballista support. You fix the clunkyness of the clear and still get sick ST.
I tried the Emigod version of EA mines , it was satisfying and doable too
I saw that I have an mtx for TR I didn't know I had so I'm playing it again
Is toxic rain ballista better than self cast?
What about EA PF does it work ?
scourge arrow gang
yeah, i think ill try to start with tr balistas at first to get to red maps and earn some money and then ill switch all the way to scourge arrow ballistas, you played it maybe? how it feels?
@@Bochen92 self cast with 3 mirgae archers from deadeye forbidden flame flesh, super smooth on leaguestart aslong as darkscorn is cheap
@@oomeoo93 any chance for some video or pob?
@@Bochen92 im hella afk rn, the best i can do is give you my ancestor char in poeninja, the char name was doombread, i later respecced it to a poison flicker char and changed name to ebo_trusts_flicker. So id check maybe 1st month only, did ubers no problem once u get progenisis pretty much with 0 armor/evasion
@@Bochen92 honestly if u follow the char on poeninja u can see the evolution of me discovering shit ( like the 3 mirages) to make the build feel good, just prioritse attack speed before anything
If you're trying to CLEAR with EA... get more arrows. Damage is still fine up through 60-80 deli, if there aren't any bad mods on map because most enemies are relative garbage.
I use GMP... AND volley. Not greater volley, but that's a choice I made giving up 2 arrows so that the overall formation of the arrows shot would concentrate forward.
And scale down the timer. It plays as pseudo hit based.
Multiple projectiles don't shotgun. Any enemy can only be hit by one arrow. This is often bad but there is a silver lining.
Your totems have a maximum targeting range that is very bad and is much shorter than the arrow's actual range.
So if 4-8 totems are shooting 5-7+ arrows into a pack, it's likely to get arrows to pass through the pack. If you get just one arrow into the next pack, the timer starts ticking!
I play TR with a caustic arrow ballista because I love turning the ground green where ever I am. I get to T16 maps very fast and super cheap. I say play what you like personally.
This is actually the first time im thinking of playing EA ... just becouse of this video, thank you.
Ea all the way. 3 link ea shreds to maps no problem, and endgame potential is way easier achieved than tr. It's probably the ascendency difference that make people to be on the fence about it.
This was a great video however I think it is missing a conclusion. The end of the video was a bit crude
When bosses phase it's the best for TR... You can stack so many fkin pods that it legit deletes the boss.
Which build is less likely to die?
tr pathfinder=less likely to die,but low dmg
ea elem= more chance to die,but 200%-300% more dmg.
Poison CA is now also an excellent alternative, perhaps even better than TR, as well as cheaper and more durable EA.
the new barrage gem go brrr ez clap
Loooool I'm torn. Between toxic rain of or trickster or RF chieftain jugg or explosive arrow chieftain champ..... Help me XD
RF Chieftain
ea champ is the best build between this builds
The one thing i don't like about TR with totems is that i need to use totems on a dot build. EA is a pure totem build so TR for me
I played both few times and I still dont know which one is superior ^_-
Both are pog build.
Detonate Dead as league starter. The new double corpse makes this skill even stronger. Skill can kill Ubers on a 5 link without any investment
I Though of using new corps like hydra for specter but with a 6L transcended DD for a OS … but i think of its doable its will be shadownerfed if not capped already …
@@lucashingueI believe the boss spectress will be quite rare and expensive. Not to mention squishy. So you'll need to scale your spectre quite considerably to make it worth the investment. Having to repurchase the hydra corpse each time it dies will be painfully expensive.
Toxic rain+caustic arrow is always my leagues starter
With totem?
@@Wilikrdp yep. pathdinder with quill rain and wilma you can go all the ways to uber easily
For all of you hovering between the two, EA has significantly more damage, like you are gonna hit dot cap if you build it properly. I would say approx 30-40 div to hit pinnacle boss dot cap. Additionally, EA's damage is a lot closer to PoB figures while TR fluctuates depending on what you are fighting.
I'd agree with this and add that TR/CA is the faster mapper and requires less backtracking to pick up loot.
should i look for total combined damage or just ignite dps ? some people say damage per ignite is wrong because you can only have one ignite, on my pob it says i have total 16m dps but my ignite dps is just 4m, which one i should take as true ?
@@burakahmettr8193
obviously,the DPS=4m.
but,believe me,that 4m dps felt waaaaaaaay better,because it is not interrupted and ticks non stop since the initial damage application.
all you need to do is put replica emberwake+ dyadian dawn,and go for some increase ignite duration,and voila!
you hit 36m dot cap in no time(exclusively for elementalist only).
theres another way to psuedoincrease the dot cap.
use flame surge,and now,you will get an additional 9m dps.
all in all,45m dps that is constant and uninterrupted.
you will be killing uber bosses like a boss,i tell ya.
like a boss.
Ignite Dps if you share your PoB i can look into it and let you know@@burakahmettr8193
I play EA to just farm my 20-30 div for my Trickster flicker equipment.
Played both, and liked EA better. You run faster as pathfinder, but the clear of TR is much slower, so your run speed becomes only relevant while content rushing. EA also is far easier to gear. However, take into account, that caustic arrow ballista pathfinder is better than both of these builds, and better by far. Was better before it got further buffed in the upcoming patch.
I don’t like how forced I feel to play a bow build I don’t wanna play bow but it’s the only thing I can pick
I MUST BE OPTIMAL
I’ve played both, EA is my choice. With TR, the damage was too stationary. Bosses or big tanky mobs could just walk out of it.
I mean you just throw it back down? Or if you're ballista they continue to shoot
EA sticks to the mobs so no matter where they go they explode lol
Never played TR but I had a EA elementalist in 3.20, with heavy focus on damage. I stricly made it for bossing purposes.
After first week I had 110m dps and I killed Uber Sirus/Uber mavens every phase in 2-3 seconds. It's probably the strongest build I've ever played for the amount of gear investment. My gear was maybe 60-80 div
It also seems that EA elementalist got a buff since you get 2 extra fuses now, you only lose ignite chance (which doesnt matter for Elementalist, hence why this change is a buff, but its not a buff for Champion).
Elementalist = More damage, less tanky
Champion = Less damage, more tanky.
Choose after your own playstyle and goals. But remember that Elementalist scale way more damage, its not a small amount. Elementalist can have 3 to 10 times higher dps than Champ.
DOT builds are hard capped at 36~ mil dps so I have no clue how did you get that 110 mil
@@Legless560 there are many EA ballista builds over 50m.
You have to apply all the correct parameters in pob so your damage is calculated correctly.
@@MaxCCNP Would you mind showing me one? especially interested in 110m dps variant. I'm inclined to believe that you are getting POB wrong, DOT damage can't exceed the numbers I have provided.
@@Legless560 i dont have mine anymore, ill find u one from ninja later.
@@Legless560maybe op is including other skills dmg too like burning ground from flame surge, curse, etc? Idk
TR is more expensive, worse clear and worse single target than EA. However, it is much faster for stuff like lab, boss rushing, beasts, heist, which are very important early league.
I agree with everything except beasts. EA does way more single target on a budget
@@davidmaltais2912 i mean for beasts it's mostly movement speed and evasion that helps. cuz you have be fast and be able to run around while seeing stuff. ea is pretty slow and not as easy to scale evasion.
@@sivzzz3008 but it's so tanky you don't need Eva lol but yeah I agree if all you do is run after beasts. But I full clear all my maps
TR Bow will always be more expensive than EA bow. its like 6-8 div difference
Toxic Rain hits a damage ceiling very early in red maps, at a point where the investment becomes very high in order to attain mediocre performance. If you have infinite currency I'd play TR, but if you only have 50 divines or less, TR feels bad.
That's exactly how I felt in red maps even with 12 div spent...
lol i cleard up untill t15 or some shit on like day2 on hc on way less than 1 div budged what are u even on about lol didnt even had a 6link, less than 50div ??? ahahha wtf
@@davidmaltais2912 skill issue.
@@lolleonlolable Wich build are you talking about? Also please don't compare HC .... Most people don't play HC.... Therefore don't build as tanky
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@@lolleonlolable You have no clue what you're talking about, trying to be smart.
Everyone knows TR hits a wall real fast, and that the investment required in order to attain more damage/better build overall is very large (same as all the chaos dot builds basically).
Sure you can do T16 on 1 divine, but if you want to do it comfortably, fast, or do bosses without pulling your hair out, or somehow juiced content; you'll need to invest in the build, in the realm of dozens and dozens of divines.
Chieftain totem can explode :)
TLDR pls.
tldr: its both good ... :3
I played both and i must say , EA feels better to play .
TL;DR After watching the video: Explosive arrow is clearly better and anyone who says otherwise is either disingenuous or stupid
The actual answer is EA hit based.
Ruetoo: both EA and TR - not a REAL builds.
For current meta agree, why do you want delayed kills and risk to be killed, when you can insta-kill with LA. GGG wanted to shake meta, but made it even worse.
I've been consistently grinded mageblood at day 4-5 for 4 leagues (if not more) and have League started bow EA Elementalist, TR Path self cast(3.24 with TR of withering) and TR Totems(This is worse, but helps by not having to spam your ability skill)
Generally, EA is way faster at progressing the early game with absolutely no gear compared to TR (especially if you rush bosses and T16). I was able to consistently clear logbooks very comfortably at lvl 87/88 with a basic +3 short bow with some attack speed with DoT, Dyadian Dawn, and a decent quiver- easily achieved day 1. Although, you can get far superior gear if you just did some more maps before jumping into logbooks. Though, EA Elementalist is significantly squishier compared to Path TR- making TR a more well rounded build at higher investments.
I was only able to consistently clear logbooks with 245 6L widowhail and a double dot multi attack speed + dmg bow skills quiver. even then, defenses were still quite rough and dmg is nothing comparable to EA if I invest the same amount of currency. At the time of finishing my mageblood, I spent around 20 div for EA (1 Cluster, Crafted bow, good quiver, everything else self crafted or 30c) and around 35 div for Toxic Rain. and was faster at grinding my Mageblood with my EA character as I was able to do logbooks at the start of day 2.
Clear wise, EA is alot faster after getting some attack speed + LMP for general mapping (after I get empower 4 and a proper bow, I just use LMP permanently until rain of splinters , except for ubers or bosses.) TR struggles to keep up at the same level of investment.
TLDR, EA Better for rushing end game, more dmg, pretty squishy. TR, more expensive, less dmg, more defenses, more rounded build.
SORRY LONG COMMENT, JUST HAD TO :')
*EDIT: I said without instead of with.
LA deadeye
TR Ballista
LMAO who tf use this
Ea always
Currently, the difference is that both are expensive now. 10 div is not enough. Need like 100 div for the current "league starters" so really best to cut your loses and roll DD elementalist for inflation league.
The answer is none of it matters because they are league starter skills. The only real difference between TR and EA is TR is only good with pathfinder and EA is good with a champion or even a raider. You will want to play a pathfinder because pathfinder will give you flexibility when transitioning the character to a real build when you accumulate enough currency.
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People saying TR is better probably played EA on elementalist instead of clearly superior CHADPION and died 150 times in the first week of the league
Convert phys taken as ele + grace makes Ele feel abit tankier
@@teontesting315 I can feel the cope all the way from here
@@TwujStary69420😂 i tried it this league and it doesnot feel like a wet paper 😂
CHADpion is more SSF & HC friendly bc not relying on unique items and accuracy
both are bad
I must have been a disgruntled housewife in a past life because I always 1,000% play poison builds in almost every game I play
depends if you like to do no damage early league choose toxic rain if you on the other side enjoy big dick damage play ea
its a trap, do not start with those builds
ea elementalist is more tanky ten champ with lightning coil ... so just dont get baited by anyone into champ and invest into a coil
sure man.^^
@@lolleonlolable pob exists