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0:00 Intro
3:38 How does Chaos Corruption work?
13:47 The 3 fallen sisters, Mirael Sabathel
18:18 The 2nd sister, The Iconoclast
33:45 The 3rd sister Etelka
46:17 Closing thoughts
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Good summary Wes, the Daemonifuge series also covered a corrupted convent on Parnis corrupted by a Slaneshi Daemon byt cannot remember if any of them turned willingly.
Weshammer can you explain why my alpha legion have a squad of battle sister? checkmate atheist
I did a dark heresy genstealer cult "campaign", it was fun but I lacked creativity at the time also hard as I wanted them to feel like of they got caught they would be dead
Huh the only sister I knew that fell to chaos was one Miriael Sabathiel, who fell to Slaanesh. Interesting to see there is more.
It's part of their lore. They go to great lengths to erase sisters who fall to chaos from record and sometimes even have new sisters assume the identity of the fallen ones.
@@tomleary508 I'm new (reading the infinite and Devine now to start), is this the "Nothing is canon, and everything is canon " situation ? like "No sister can be corrupted... becasue once they got corrupted they didnt count as sisters anymore."
@@user-yf4gx4rf8h As an old lore head I'm not sure if I'm jealous or concerned for the work ahead of you haha. But yeah, you have a good perspective on the rumor/viewpoint/fact situation, as it's anyone's guess or choice of what they believe is accurate. Is The Emperor a god? A man? Etc. Enjoy the universe, In His Name.
More have in other stories. Often not in a fantastic and over the top way like with many other examples. One I recall has a sister falling to Slaanesh because she sought perfection in her service to The Emperor, and had too much pride in the effort.
@@tomleary508I mean all factions of the imperium do. We as the audience of course know that most people in the imperium are susceptible to chaos corruption but most people in the imperium aren’t. Hell I’m fairly certain that when a Astartes turns traitor only the existing members of that chapter will know because well they knew him. The next generations of said chapters Astartes probably would never know so the chapter can erase its shame.
Also IIRC Arks of Omen has Angron corrupt Sisters of Battle to Khorne. This is canon. (He also corrupted some Primaris Marines, and those are the first corrupted Primarises)
Primaris means released recently, which means a handful of ideologically focused writers, meaning can be dismissed
Like the pacific rim movie, community ultimately decides what exists and what doesn't
Wasnt it Khorne himself who corrupted them?
@@PJOZeuswas it the murder curse? it doesnt need to be dismissed its not like they willingly fell or through any fault of their own.
@@PJOZeus😂 You are sad. Good luck trying to ignore the blood curse. o one will take you serious. 😂
Thank you,I was thinking he would talk exactly about this event.
Idea: Chaos Sisters of Battle
Everyone: heh heh _Slaanesh..._ Succubi Sisters... heh heh
Me: *Sisters Repentia meet Nurgle's **_Sisters Repulsia!_*
Khorne's Battle Sister is actually Khorne's legit daughter, the Blood Valkyrie reborn!
Legit, a Sororitas order of chaos would be nightmarish. Think of their insane inhuman levels of devotion and faith for any of the Chaos gods. Nurgle, Tzeentch, Khorne, Malice, and ofc Slaanesh.
@@periwinkle6676 Slaanesh is the easy one to design for... Some of the Sisters are already on the path to Drukhari-levels of extremes (torturing people to hear their screams, degloving their own hands, etc.) so going for a god of excess isn't hard, and neither is a god of combat like Khorne.
The ones that would interest me the most would be sisters falling to Nurgle (as previously stated) and Tzeentch. I mean; imagine a Sister of Tzeentch would turned her "faith" powers into non-psyker (potentially non-warp) sorcery? The implications and theorycrafting are so good!
And of course, Sisters of Malice would just be hypothetically amazing...
@@Thescott16 Slaanesh is of excess they are religious zealots, zealotry is an excess itself. Though for me I prefer the khorne ones
As a sisters fan, I do you actually like the concept of sisters being able to fall to chaos, but I like it being a very rare event. So like at most it being a single squad in a chaos army however, the reason I like it is because I like the looming rare threat of turning to chaos. I like that it is a possibility. I like that threat being there it gives character and it gives motivation to remain resolved. I think the iconoclast story is very indicative of that and is a great showcase as to how a corrupted sister confused as a great antagonist but still allow for there to be great faith amongst the sisters, and if it’s rare, then I feel like it doesn’t deter their faith
The Words Bears in the book apocalypse said they would be many times stronger than any other Chaos warband if they just have a handful of SoB on their sides. And the book storm of iron further demonstrated that. It wasn't even a sister, just a guardsman getting captured by the Iron Warriors and a warsmith turned her into his personal slave to taunt her for daring to stand up against him, guess the warsmith was marinating her anger too much because she eventually turned into an avatar of Khorn and killed him.
From what little we've gotten, It sounds like it happens regularly. the sisterhood just covers it up and knowing them probably kills everyone who knows.
Nuns with guns... and spikes! 😂
😂😂😂
Smash. Next question
Nuns with guns having Slaaneshi fun! 😈
@@UGNAvalon I wonder just how offensive I could kit bash that army, and still get away with it because of LGBT++
SPIKES!!
I remember a story about a squad of sisters being arressted and tortured due to suspicion of one of them being chaos corrupted. You are always reminded of a constant scratching sound while they are in their seperate cells. At the end it turns out yes one of them was corrupted by slaanesh. So the torture with her lasted the longest and the other sisters thought she was being strong and pious when I fact she was enjoying it. And the scratching noise? That was her scratching the walls of her cell so they were perfectly smooth.
I have no idea what it is called sadly.
In my opinion, a sister falling to chaos should be treated as an absurdly rare exception that proves the rule of how generally devout the sororitas are. If chaos sisters were to be implemented into the table-top (which I hope they do some day), it should be in the form of named character units. Like, imagine how sick it would be to have a Mirael Sabathel figure as the head of a Slaanesh cult army.
Funny how channel creator not talking about the issue costing GW millions of dollars by loyal fans oh wait i forgot this dude sold out at least others had the you know what to speak up this dude gave me and still gives me weird vibes
@@SpeedyGonzalez-sd1iuwhat do you mean? What he do?
@JordanI135 what are you even asking me ?
*** update ***@swr2437 this guy touches himself to minor anime characters and he says he's not a kid lover red flag to those 17 who liked his comment
@@SpeedyGonzalez-sd1iu With all due respect, what the hell are you waffling on about?
@@SpeedyGonzalez-sd1iu dude you just killed Godzilla
BATTLE SISTERS AND HERETIC SISTERS! WHAT IS ATHEISM RAHHHHHHHHH
to be fair, Id imagine its hard to be an atheist in a universe where the gods are literally trying to eat your soul at every turn
@@coreytaylor5386 Well, it would hard to be openly atheist in the Imperium of Man in the 40th Milennium, considering it's illegal not to worship the Emperor as a literal god.
Fabulous bill.
@@coreytaylor5386TBF, in a setting with active gods, atheism usually means "not worshipping" rather than "not believing".
@@cyrusserapheth9555so the real world?
As someone who loves corn, I can’t help but be amused picturing “Khorn worshipers”.
Farmer : " time to check on the cro - WHAT THE ??!!! JEB, JEB GET MAH SHOTGUN, THEY'RE BACK PRAYING TO THE CORN AGAIN !!! "
Children of the corn?
Children of the Corn; the Steven King book and both the movies make for excellent 40k material!!!
Blood for the Blood God
Corn for the cornflakes.
Children of the Khorne
Sisters falling to chaos, for me at least, makes sense. If the Tau with their tiny and imperceptible souls are able to be corrupted, major examples being Farsight fighting the influence of Khorne and another being a water caste Tau falling to Tzeentch after being exposed to an unprotected warp drive, then it should be possible for the Sisters to be corrupted as well. I love these videos and your discussions Wes, keep on keeping on :)
Edit: I forgot to mention O’kais from Firewarrior and how he almost fell to the influence of Khorne during his story.
@@LordZero350 I never knew about Chaos Tau ! Thanks for that.
@@LordZero350 La'Kais*. O'Kais and La'Kais aren't the same person
Water Spider didn't get corrupted, he got wholesale possessed by a Tzeetch demon!
I am honestly convinced alot of Warhammers troubles were mainly caused by Warp Travel itself, like Event Horizon on a mass scale that unsurprisingly is backfiring.
"I've never seen anything like it in the 40K universe"
You have my attention.
One of the players in my local group made their entire army of Sisters based around Miriel Sabathiel, with her color scheme and Slaanesh details.
I think no one is really immune to corruption or temptation. But I think the fact that it is possible, no matter how remote of a chance it is, makes the SoB that don't fall to Chaos all the more impressive. Just being immune to chaos corruption means that they don't really have to fear it or fight against it. But when we see that it is possible for them to fall, it means the faith and willpower of those that resist that temptation are just that much stronger. It's like the astartes and not being able to feel fear. You can't truly say a space marine is brave because bravery is not the lack of fear, its the ability to overcome that fear and do what needs to be done. Yes, whether or not astartes feeling the actual emotion of fear has been removed, retconned, and changed so often it's hard to say for sure exactly what "know no fear" actually means, but it's a given that astartes do not break from fear or let it influence their actions, most of the time.
TLDR immunity to chaos corruption is boring, but feeling it and overcoming it is much more impressive.
Miriel Sabathiel is older than Abnett's story. She dates back to the 1st 40k CCG, which was released in 2001. Though her card was in one of the expansions, so I think she debuted in 2002. Abnett's story is from 2006.
There's also the Chaos sister from Daemonifuge, who (I think) is the first canon instance of a Chaos Sister, dating back to 1999. She lasts about 2 pages though before Ephrael Stern rips the Chaos parasite/daemon/thing out of her chest.
Also, Artel W do some nice Chaos Sisters in their Forces of the Abyss range.
Isn't the one in Daemonifuge just controlled by Chaos?
The whole convent was corrupted.
Hard to say, shes only in a couple pages. The Iconoclast exhibited similar internal warp parasites though. And a big part of Daemonifuge was the debate over whether or not Ephrael had been corrupted. Glad sombody else recalls that old piece
@@TemperingFaber3 As David said, it never really specifies. So kind or hard to know where control ends and corruption begins. But there is a parasite in her and she has the mark of Slannesh carved into her skull (under the skin).
Came here to mention that exact SoB in Daemonifuge.
Sisters being incorruptible is new lore to me. I think in the first book of the Grey Knights series there's a conversation between a SoB and a GK where it's stated that both know that some sisters have fallen while no GK had.
The non-transitional transition was frik’n hilarious. Legit made me lol. Thanks sir. Enjoy your vacation.
I like the idea that you can only get Chaos Sisters by turning them against their will and that they will never willingly choose chaos,
Like how Khorne turned sisters into Kornate worshippers.
Similar kind of thing to how you can get “CHAOS” Custodes where you will never get a Custodes turning to the ruinous powers of their own freewill but they can be turned via possession or overwhelming force.
I don't see Chaos Sisters of Battle becoming their own faction any time soon, but I could see ones like the three you listed being leader units that can lead an army with them being chaos champions or demon princes and that generic chaos sisters could be used as auxiliary units for Chaos factions
Considering how rare fallen sisters seem to be, I think it's silly to hope for an army of them, but having them as a special unit within an army seems perfectly reasonable to me. I love fallen sisters, and I'd love to see more about them in the future.
Love your content, Wes
They could probably work similarly to how Inquisitors and Assassins work for the Imperium, I.E. named character units, or character-level units, that can be added to any [Chaos] Keyword army, rather than their own individual army with their own codex. So you could say, have your Chaos Daemons lead by a small handful of named Chaos Sister units instead of Belakor or some Greater Daemons. Or have a named Chaos Sister as the head of your Chaos Space Marine army. If they where done that way, I'd drop one of my two big Birbs in my Tzeentch Daemons for a Chaos sister in a heartbeat!
1:59 All transitions should now be like this! Love it!
He is a little cute doggo in the bed.
Ive personally never heard anyone ask for chaos sisters of battle, not that i would be against it, ive just never seen that request
When she says, "open your third eye," but means it literally.
Bruh
Becomes a navigator 😂
Instructions unclear, started a Sororitas Navigator Household.
@@UGNAvalon Eh, the Navigators need new blood, considering just how mindnumbingly inbred they are.
Instructions unclear, a "well bestowed" Sister of Silence sodomised my Eye of Terror...
never fallen to corruption...but we have repentia and mortifers
You don't need to fall to corruption to become a repentia or be placed in a mortifier though. Even Saint Celestine was a sister repentia at one time before she became a living Saint. The only thing needed to become a sister repentia is to fail in your duty. This does not even need to be objective failure. If you fought a battle which could not be won but somehow survived it, you could consider yourself 'failing' as you did not die for your cause. With mortifiers it is practically be the same although just one step worse.
But yeah, sisters not being able to be corrupted is clearly only propaganda as so many things in 40K lore.
Those are not corrupted Sisters though. There's a difference between being seen to fall short in their duties (or actually falling short) and actually being corrupted.
@@DT-ce1fb not corrupted sure, i was implying if a sister can flee due to cowardice than she can certainly be tempted by other base thoughts
If anything, repentia might be even More resistant to chaos, since their convictions in their faith would reach hyper-fanatical levels.
Best example I can think of would be that one formerly-tainted repentia that appeared in Gav & Bob.
@@desitri2956 Yeah but for the sake of decorum, we just pretended it's so rare it's a one off thing that proves the rule, or the other sisters "take care of it" internally.
Decorum is out the window so tentacles, bondage, and freeing the nipple it is.
The Impenitent Engines are going to be wild.
I think the idea of corruptible sisters is not only acceptable but even important in the lore. It should be very uncommon and it should be treated as unthinkable and unforgivable by the order, obviously, but the idea of the sisters being invincible to corruption makes them unrelatable and unappealing, because it is obvious that their order demands superhuman levels of discipline, devotion and sacrifice. It follows that a sister, being only human, would fall from time to time, and that the order would suppress that knowledge for the sake of their ideals. But it is the fragile nature of their humanity, coupled with the strength of their faith, resolve, and the obvious power of those that never falter, manifesting the emperor's will in the form of incredible feats of combat and actual miracles on the battlefield, that will always make them a beacon of hope for the imperium, despite the fact that some may occasionally lose their battle against the horrors they willingly face.
Best transition ever made man. Cheers 😂
Bricky needs to know more of this ASAP
Ah yes, peak sisters of battle r34
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Yea normal battle sister is great but what if she’s also an emo?
Imma say heresy but i'm not advising the nearest inquisition officer
@hillimer I could see that, call them sisters of the shadows.
Wrote a quote for them but feels a little too wordy
" if our sisters are beacons sharing the light of the emperor through their words to the masses, then we are the shadows of the masses, following each of them, ever vigilante against the threat of heresy "
@@user-vf3hy9wz6i if its a female inquisitor i dont mind getting some interrogation previously to my unceremonious excecution 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Hm Slaaneesh corrupted Sisters of Battle....*cough*.
Aaah a fellow degenerate of culture. Cheers
A woman still has needs.
Heavy Age of Apostasy vibes rn
Just wait when you hear about Chaos corrupted Brothers Of Battle...
@@toomaskotkas4467now you’ve got my attention
Did we literally had a _" Think Sister! _*_Think!!_*_ "_ moment in 40k? xD
The only Astartes chapter the Sisters don't seem to have a problem with is the Black Templars, which makes a lot of sense.
what about the grey knights?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 ... We don't talk about the Sisters and the Grey Knights...
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 They probably don't even know of the grey knights existence. Even the most powerful and elite forces in the imperium are subjected to the secrecy surrounding the grey knights so it's not surprising that they have absolutely no knowledge of them at all
@@moony5097 yeah, i suppose that's plausible, but do we have anything *confirming* that they know/don't know about the grey knights?
@@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 I'm unsure at the moment, I haven't read up on the grey knights in too much detail, but I'm assuming that if they did those that do (or did) would probably have been exterminated
Isn't the Sororitas _founded_ on corruption? That one guy basically took advantage of their unwavering faith to manipulate them. If a mortal can do that, so can Chaos.
Interesting... I mean, they thought his rosarius was the Emperor protecting him. Which got him killed.
But then again they have Penatent Engines..
I like the idea of chaos sisters but not army worthy. I feel like they shoulder be an extremely rare things. So an add on to a chaos army.
It's still crazy that dispite being "normal" humans they can resist chaos as well if not better then a grey knight.
Oh and if you want army of chaos sister then it's made of people who failed to become sister. Like an army of sister rejects
That was the best ad transition I’ve seen in a bit. Keep up the good work Wes!
while i'd love to have canon chaos sisters, i feel like the whole "are they real? are they canon? are they retconned out?" discussion is more valuable to the community
I agree with your sentiment I think it’s cool to see them in a new light but I love that they were so steadfast that it was pointless trying to corrupt them
Glad your covering this now
There's been a tooon of amazing fan art of chaos sisters lately
And i ain't talking dirty
Interesting fact, sisters of battle corrupted by chaos most often fall to Slaanesh due to their repressive nature.
makes sense. I could also see them going hard for Tzeentch for essentially the same reasons.
@@sum8601 Slaanesh and Khorne are the big two but I also agree that Tzeentch would corrupt them similarly.
REALLY ? I get it, knowing that 90% of GWS base is male, but Khorne just seemed like the go to. "Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the golden throne." Khorne just sitting on the throne like "Yeah i guess it looks golden with all the fire. "
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Second thought , isnt Slaanesh the "opposite" of Khorne? like the one that least vibes with him? So it kind of makes sense that crazy murder sister, who are already feeding Korn would be her target as a "F you" to Khorne.
@@jhetttiernan2623 I actually dont see the Khorne connection. On the one hand, sure, everyone in 40k is prone to violent indulgence, but nothing about the sister's order seems to make them particularly vulnerable to Khorne's influence. Likewise Nurgle would not seem likely either.
Extreme repression and living under the strict rules and authority of the Ecclesiarchy make hedonism (slaanesh) and ambition/independence/rule breaking ( Tzeentch) the two likely domains of chaos that they would find enticing.
Interesting, I’d think that “more heretic blood & skulls!” would be more likely than ambition/betrayal, as Sisters are famously loyal to their beliefs & fellow battle sisters, and said beliefs tend to call for heavy amounts of bloodshed.
Slaanesh makes sense bc of repression leading to harder falls, and Nurgle could also occur due to the faithlessness caused by extreme despair.
Nuns with guns vs goth girls with guns
During the arks of omen angron also basically corrupted and entire indomitus fleet and with it a good number of SOB.
Corrupted as in willingly falling to Chaos, nope. Controlled is the word (the video's rules, not mine)
Personally, I LOVE the concept of there being "sisters of chaos" out there. However, I feel like it should be more of an uncommon occurrence, like one or a handful out of a thousand sisters or something of the like. I do agree that the image of the Sister of Battle being incorruptible is a big chunk of their image and part of their allure as a faction, the idea of these relatively normal mortal women being able to resist corruption where even the Astartes falter. But as we all should know by now, there are very few absolutes in this setting.
Still, I think it'd be cool for "Sisters of Chaos" to become a thing on the table-top.
I like the idea of Chaos Sisters in lore as rare execptions, granted i would like to see a few for each Chaos God and a few for undivided and then use them as heores of commanders for the table top and atory characters.
It’s not that the sisters themselves are incorruptible, it’s their blood. This is why any self-respecting Grey Knight should kill any Sister of Battle they see and use their blood to draw chaos-warding symbols on their armour to give themselves extra protection against Chaos.
The Bloodtide Incident is a masterpiece
Still rediculous after all these years...
@@davidboatwright8688 The uncorruptible marines needing a mortal to win, I see this as an absolute win for Sisters xD. It's very rare for them to oneup the space marines, or any other factions. That's why removing their uncorruptability is a great loss for them. And it's only difficult for them to willingly fall to Chaos, it's not like they are immune to Chaos'mind-control and stuff.
Ha! The likelihood of the God-Emperor’s Sororitas falling to Chaos is just as improbable as the likelihood of the God-Emperor’s Astartes betraying the Imperium!
Oh, wait….
Personally I like the idea that they CAN be corrupted but it should be rare. I'd also really kinda like it if their corruption is unstable so that while they may be corrupted they are likely to become Chaos Spawn or just die from it after a while. It would make them different.
Hm Slaaneesh corrupted Sisters of Battle....*cough*
Oh god!! there are parts of my brain rolling over the idea for obvious reasons...
@@benjamindavidson4680
Of course you mean the possible color scheme of their armor, right?
Yea man just imagine what their “armor” would look like!
@@mezzerli ...sure...
@@mezzerli Yeah....lets go with that and nothing else.....
In my own head canon, I actually have my own Sisters of Chaos I call the Plague Maidens. Sisters of Battle who've pledged themselves to the Chaos God Nurgle.
They're incredibly jovial and love playing with Nurglings in their free time.
Yeah. Just happy lazy mothers. Giving their loving embrace and feeding little Nurglings with pus.
If the Word Bearers turned to chaos, so can the Sisters. The Chaos Gods are historically good at turning zealotry for the emperor into zealotry for themselves. The Zealot in Darktide is a good example of this ("Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!"). I think one of the key ingredients for a Convent turning traitor is prolonged isolation from the rest of the Imperium. Without external correction from the Ecclesiarchy they could quite easily drift into chaos worship over a few generations, particularly if the world they are on already has a tainted presence, all the while genuinely believing that they are still righteous servants of the Emperor and that everyone else is wrong. With the galaxy split in half and a lot of worlds cut off it is quite feasible that we could see more traitor sisters, i think it can make for good stories.
I figure, generally, that it is possible to defy corruption by sheer force of will, IF you can keep your faith strong enough. And while most Sisters' faith is strong enough, some do fall short - because nobody is perfect, especially in 40k. A lot of things can happen to them in this case, from failing in battle to attempted desertion. But occasionally, circumstances align so that they fall to Chaos instead. This doesn't happen often, but probably more often than we think, because there is no WAY the Ecclesiarchy doesn't clap a lid over that shit.
This is just how I prefer to think of it. Because like you, I admire the Sisters, and I find their uncorruptible faith utterly badass. But another thing I really like in this setting is how many cracks are in it, how close the whole mess is to falling completely. The hypocrisy, the sheer weight of lies the Imperium is crumbling under. And it makes sense to me that some of those cracks contain fallen Sisters. It makes sense that there would be SOME, because a system this bad can't help but produce side effects.
have you listened to heart of rage by James swallow its fucking horrifying we recommend listening it on audible it's part of the adeptus astarters audio collection
If they never get their own army I think getting the equivalent to living saints/demon princes would be cool. Like imagine a Celestine level character chosen as a champion of Nurgle, with like skeletal angel wings and melting flesh. and they can be added in along side either your chaos space marines or your demons, working together.
Stunlocked Wes feels like a shiny varient. The "hold it" smile was grand.
🎉this was really Good, I really like the sisters.
I would actually love to see an entire order of chaos sisters that have a deep hatred for the Word Bearers. They recognise them as the ones who lead humanity to the dark gods, but they resent 10,000 years of failure. They have thier own rituals where they hunt the possessed and rip the daemons out of them to give them more worthy hosts.
Maybe a ritual where they consume the word Bearers geneseed to empower themselves and weaken the failure legion
That sounds... Awesome.
Im convinced that the bald sisters are for kitbashing them for corruption.
i like this a lot better than they were just among us and we never knew about it. This actually makes sense, nothing is total immune to chaos as chaos is just thought.
Best transition ever!!!
Great video as always, Wes.
Since you asked, I’d like to see you cover (if you haven’t already) the rogue A.I. ship(s) from the dark night / golden age of technology. 🤖🚀
Yes, this! Deep dive to the Abominable Intelligence would be appreciated as well.
@@jufo4 Most definitely 👍🏼
After 200 years of sevice in The Emperors Most Holy Inquisition,i never saw such HERESY. Exterminatus is on is way my friend. 😂
In old school Rogue Trader there was a “Sisters of Sin” picture where they are attacking a rainbow warrior Space Marine and I always wondered if it was meant to be a fully fleshed out lore arc.
Frankly I like more and more the idea of Chaos having its own stuff. So I like the fact that Chaos is becoming more than just marines with spikes. So to me I wouldn’t need it to be Chaos SOB, I’d be all more for it to just be an expansion of Chaos Cultists, and capabilities
Immunity from corruption by SoB would have been more interesting with the theory of the emperor becoming a warp entity corrupting them.
Also interesting to see there are stories of Chaos cults fighting genestealer cult, although the more interesting ones would be either Tzeench, but mostly Nurgle. A cult of either of those chaos gods finding a way to mutate or infect a genestealer cult could open so much avenues for interesting stories about the tyranids.
The Cult Tenebrous is a Genestealer Cult that's simultaneously fallen to Nurgle and seeks to spread the influence of both
I would love to see a Cults of chaos Army. It would combine Chaos cult’s+ Chaos Astra militarum and chaso Sisters
Ideas to talk about: Loyalist Marines in the heresy time that were of traitor legions (Nathaniel Garo, Saul Tarwitz,...) i just love those storys about them!
As someone who has made a kitbash chaos sisters army rules and someone who actually plays them i love it
As someone who was raised in a strict religious household I love the idea of corruption in this context.
I NEED more stories like this.
Bring me a legion of sisters from each chaos god.
At least one for each!
If you really interested I would recommend the unification mod for dawn of war. There’s a sub faction for emperors children that’s just fallen sisters, it’s super dope!
Honestly, I see Khorne as the likeliest one, followed by Slaanesh, then Nurgle, then Tzeentch.
Khorne has the classic battle lust while Slaanesh could go use a similar approach to Fulgrim in terms of perfectionism and pain/pleasure vibes. Nurgle is well, basically happy nihilism so I imagine any Sister of Battle who suffers enough self-esteem issues will be approached by the squishy green one. Tzeentch is least likely because he seems to have the least things to offer to the Sisters of Battle, at least those ordained for combat. Probably a couple of the lesser smaller ones, but I don't see Tzeentch having appeal for the main Sisters. Maybe treachery, but that is a stretch.
@@konradsommer6927 Cool!
I want to have a legion that is all of those Damned units, being lead by those Chaos SOBs!
I love the concept specifically as single fallen sisters every so often corrupted by particular situations but not as a larger group. I suppose in short it just has to be written well into the current setting.
I actually like the idea because like you said they’re just human and if primarchs and space marines can fall then they’re fall is all but guaranteed at some point if they live long enough
Awesome i was just getting ready to kitbash a sisters unit into a jackhal squad for my world eaters.
I kind of like the current state of corrupted sisters. I'd like more stories about them but I think they should be incredibly rare.
In the books the couple times I remember corrupt sisters it was usually due to a psycher using some warp jazz. Didn't know about the willing sisters.
Chaos sisters? I'm going to live for this❤
I imagine it's kind of a 'no true Scotsman' situation. If a Sister of Battle is defined by her faith in the Emperor then a Sister that falls and has lost that faith is just another (if very powerful) cultist and no longer a Sister.
corrupted sisters are an interesting Idea and Ive been a chaos player since the beginning. I like that the ecclesiarchy cannot allow them to exist and I like those stories. in the tabletop though although the models would be badass I agree with you on how I feel about that happening.
I think it makes sense that they can get corrupted ngl. I feel like the charm of incorruptible sisters is still kinda there because, as you mentioned, there’s not much record of it happening. Even though members of the sororitas may get corrupted, the sisters together as a force still seems fairly hard to corrupt. I feel like this makes me like them even more cuz it shows that even though they’re human and susceptible to corruption, they clean up their dirty laundry the moment it hits the floor before it becomes too big of an issue for all of mankind (unlike their brothers in the past as they might see it).
We have chaos sisters already.
You buy sisters. You file and cut off imperial insignia. You add chaos insignia. You homebrew some rules to reflavour sisters special rules. Job done. Chaos sisters
Chaos Sisters of Battle would be absolutely epic, and it makes sense. On one hand, I really want them to be a thing. On the other, I play Imperial Knights, and would like to have my Codex sooner than later.
The best place that I can see models for them cropping up is in Kill Team. If I had the ability to have them exist but not undermine the Sisters of Battle, I would definitely have them be a more elite type since not all mortals who fall to Chaos (if I remember correctly) are reincarnated into new forms.
47:11 pile of shame (same lol)
We might get Chaos Sister Characters or maybe even a squad. The only way they could pull out entire armies is if they pull a Votann and go "This covenant has been corrupted the whole time and is now just appearing!"
I appreciate any and all mentions of Mirael Sabathiel, one of the most underrated chaos characters. Here’s to hoping she gets a plastic model sometime even as like a cultist leader for Emperor’s Children or something
That whould be awsome maybe when they release the emperor's children range she could be released along side the other new cultists models
more deep dives! serious, i found you from your shorts, but it's your deep dives into the lore that has me periodically looking you up to see if there's anything new
I would love to see you do a what if scenario. You have so much knowledge of the universe im pretty sure you can craft something great
The most recent discovery is that during the arcs of omen, a device was activated and drove the imperium forces mad with blood lust. There were sisters of Battle there, including a custody that had to fight off corrupted marines.
controlled, not corrupted
That line about why the last sister betrayed her order simply because she still could hits so good. She may have joined a cult of literal monsters but she escaped another that pretended they were not
Bro, your singlehandedly responsible for my love of 40k I've watched your content for over a year now and you always make the insane and convoluted lore into bite sized or sometimes meal sized masterworks, love the content dude. Your eyes fucking freak me out tho.
Something about the smile at the add transition seemed more sinister then nurlges
One concept i do find interesting would be Lorgar, maybe with the help of one of the very rare cases of corrupted sister, would create an equivalent institution but for the worship of chaos, since the sister devotion being near unbreakable is one of their fun lore points, but they could still be a blueprint for one of Lorgar´s Projects.
My opinion:
No one is imune to the seduction of the "right" promise, not even the custodes. Some has just not been desperate enough... yet.
But a whole army? 🤨
Considering the second a Sister is corrupted they send endless specialized kill teams to hunt her down, yeah, a whole army seems like an exaggeration. Especially since a Preceptory is 1,000 sisters and it's a big deal when it's just 1 that is corrupted.
honestly, I am a big fan of the idea of Chaos sisters, as I really hate any lore that says that "these characters are incorruptible out of sheer faith" as well as the lore that states that "no human can see this and not fall" I don't like those absolutes.
The idea of the sister being extremely resistant is good, but I don't want them to be immune.
Custodes and grey knights are interesting, as I feel like corruption should be technically possible for them, but they can't ever truly "fall" because their body and soul would essentially self-destruct if they were ever about to be fully corrupted.
Absolutes make factions unique. I dont want all space marines clones. And I feel, since every faction do something better than space marines, people should leave incorruptability to the Sisters, cuz, without it, they are just female space marines with the body of a guardsmen
I didn't even know that these nuns could commit such heresy
At the risk of sounding heretical, I really like the design of that Sister of Tzeentch in the thumbnail. The subtle gradient in the hair, the tiny parting of the lips into a small almost-playful smile, the piercing eyes looking straight into your soul thru the screen, it’s all very well done in making the final design look equal parts beautiful & menacing & enticing & intimidating.
(Plus I think it’s part of a pair, with the other Sister looking more “saintly” as you would expect from a loyal Imperial Sister. So the contrast adds even more to the aesthetic appeal.)
Make vidoes of warhammer 40k games
Nah, Chaos Sisters are Goated!
A story revolving around a Sisterhood of Tzneetch worshipers that have infiltrated the depths of the Imperium foreshadowing Abaddons next Black Crusade, would be awesome.
& I personally want an Army of Sisters of the Bloodied Skull - which would just be Repentia's but more Blood and Skulls lol
Working on a Chaos Sister army. My internal debate was weather to focus on one chaos god or diversify...i think your video has convinced me of the later.
Genestealer Cults are my favorite lore wise...the 3rd story is so wild! I can imagine folks making a homebrew killteam of chaos cultists usung GSC bits.
Haha that transition clip was gold 😂
Honestly, chaos sisters would just be like the fallen. A cool side unit for the chaos codex you could put a mark of chaos on and be done with it.
Still waiting for my male sister's of battle
Can’t wait for the “gw is woke!!” Videos when they eventually come out
An entire convent of sisters fell to Varan the invinsible in Cain's last stand. Chaos corrupted psycher mind controls them. They do off themselves after exposure to a blank, but they were serving chaos for a while.
I was thinking lately about of "Order of Leviathan" with white and purple armors and adding some claws, skulls and pieces of armor from Tyranids (just like one of the marines from Leviathan box - I dont remember the name)
Chaos sisters seem like a good idea for a kill team set up